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8525 Screen whining

My 8525's screen is making a whining noise whenever it is turned on. I have already sent one back under warranty, and I have a new one on the way right now. Has anyone had this problem or know a way to fix it? It came with WM5, I upgraded to VPG3 with Hard SPL, and then went to the ATT WM6 and that is where I am at.
Help anyone ???
Ben

Slap it and tell it to get back in the kitchen and bake you some pie.

Mine has done that since a month or so after I first got it. Guess I've had it around a year....
I thought about exchanging it in under warranty, but I was afraid of all the refurb nightmares out there and that I might end up with a worse off phone that could still develop the same damn problem.
Here are my thoughts, as I have gotten used to it.
You will learn to hit the power button when on the phone so the whining will stop and you can hear the other person clearer.
That's really about it.....
Oh yeah if you use the stylus to press the screen the noise will stop too.... makes me wonder what exactly it is. I thought it was the flourecent tubes (i think they are flourescent)
Ive read other threads over at cingy and we are not the only ones, but I dont think it's tooooo common..

8525 Screen Whining
Well the first one that I got back as a replacement was a brand new one, so I have hope that the next one will be too.
Also, my screen won't stop when I press it wth the stylus or anything else. I was wondering if it has anything to do with the hard SPL or another ROM...
intrglctcrevfnk said:
Mine has done that since a month or so after I first got it. Guess I've had it around a year....
I thought about exchanging it in under warranty, but I was afraid of all the refurb nightmares out there and that I might end up with a worse off phone that could still develop the same damn problem.
Here are my thoughts, as I have gotten used to it.
You will learn to hit the power button when on the phone so the whining will stop and you can hear the other person clearer.
That's really about it.....
Oh yeah if you use the stylus to press the screen the noise will stop too.... makes me wonder what exactly it is. I thought it was the flourecent tubes (i think they are flourescent)
Ive read other threads over at cingy and we are not the only ones, but I dont think it's tooooo common..
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New phone arrived
Hey, I just got my new phone ( and yes it is new not a refurb.)
No whining...I'll see how long this lasts
Ben

prayharder said:
Well the first one that I got back as a replacement was a brand new one, so I have hope that the next one will be too.
I was wondering if it has anything to do with the hard SPL or another ROM...
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It does not have anything to do with SPL or ROM. Happened to me a few months into my stock 1.34 rom, and has stayed there through 2.15 and on....
It's hardware related.

That makes me feel better, the AT&T rep was sure that it was something that I installed on it...Didn't make much sense to me, unless one of the other ROMs had the wrong driver for the display or the graphics driver..
Ben

Battery gave out.

Anyone got an idea? It seems as if my battery wont take any charge. Only turns on when phone is "Charging." I gave HTC a call and they are so damn stupid. Im sorry but honestly.. they cant trade out my battery! Wanna know why?! THEY ARE MORE WORRIED ABOUT COMPLETING ORDERS WITH NEW CUSTOMERS. Hmph knowing google i wasnt surprised but STILL! REALLY?! So basically I have to shell out 50 bucks for a new battery? Maybe someone knows something.. I didnt post in accessories because it isnt so I dont know... if this is wrong place sorry.

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Anyone got an idea? It seems as if my battery wont take any charge. Only turns on when phone is "Charging." I gave HTC a call and they are so damn stupid. Im sorry but honestly.. they cant trade out my battery! Wanna know why?! THEY ARE MORE WORRIED ABOUT COMPLETING ORDERS WITH NEW CUSTOMERS. Hmph knowing google i wasnt surprised but STILL! REALLY?! So basically I have to shell out 50 bucks for a new battery? Maybe someone knows something.. I didnt post in accessories because it isnt so I dont know... if this is wrong place sorry.
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Did you install the RAM hacked kernel? That has a known issue of causing batteries to no longer charge, and you must revert back to the stock kernel or the recently released patch RAM hacked kenel.

WHAT!? F******* lol i think i did uhm lemme see about flashing a stock rom

flamerider88 said:
WHAT!? F******* lol i think i did uhm lemme see about flashing a stock rom
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The stock ROMs don't fix it, IIRC, you need to flash the stock kernel.

Would Cyans boot-nexus1-orig.img work?

flamerider88 said:
Would Cyans boot-nexus1-orig.img work?
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Not really sure, I just started reading up on the Cyan and Kernel for the Nexus One a couple days ago. Perhaps someone that has messed around with the stuff and has a link handy to the kernel he needs could post it up?
As well, I would be willing to bet if you did a search of the Cyan 5.0 ROM thread for "kernel" you would find a link at some place in there.

OP, you need to chill.
Just reflash Cyanogen's addon pack.

I found the Zimage or what ever to flash.. but my battery is dead! GAH! now i have to order one because i dont have a batt to flash it with

That new battery may or may not come charged, if that's what you mean. You might need a friend with an N1 to help you out, if you need a charged battery to reflash.

FYI, worst case scenario, you could always mail your battery to somebody, let them charge it, then mail it back... I would recommend trying to find someone in Cali first, since it would take about 4 days round trip then. I would be willing to help you out, though, if you can't find anyone else... but I am in Iowa, so it would take more like a week or so round trip.

how about turning it on with the charger in w/o the battery? My g1 can do it. Not sure if that applies to other phones.

I find it funny how in your first post you call htc and google stupid for not fixing your battery issue which you obviously brought upon yourself by installing custom roms.

Gotenn said:
I find it funny how in your first post you call htc and google stupid for not fixing your battery issue which you obviously brought upon yourself by installing custom roms.
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It's pretty obvious that he didn't realize that it was the custom kernel that was the cause of his issue.

uansari1 said:
It's pretty obvious that he didn't realize that it was the custom kernel that was the cause of his issue.
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no wonder HTC doesn't want to know about unlocked nexus going in for warranty.
if you install a custom rom the least you can do is try to stay on top of things related to that rom. I haven't unlocked, but even I knew there was an issue with batteries not charging.

nmesisca said:
no wonder HTC doesn't want to know about unlocked nexus going in for warranty.
if you install a custom rom the least you can do is try to stay on top of things related to that rom. I haven't unlocked, but even I knew there was an issue with batteries not charging.
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Perhaps now you can understand why some of us are irritated when people jump the gun on things. In this case, we're talking about people going straight to rooting and flashing their phones with custom ROMs without realizing the potential issues related with them... in other cases, well I won't get into off topic discussion...but suffice to say that this isn't the last time you see someone flash a ROM, then ask why his phone isn't working the same as it was before.

HTC picked up my N1 yesterday because it wasnt charging. It said it was charging but as soon as I took out the charger it turned off.
It had an unlocked bootloader and they said they would send me a new one...
Fingers crossed I get a new one soon
I didn't know about the kernel doing this so just I emailed them, then phoned and they sent someone to pick mine up...

Man that's bad.You really should not root your next one, and if you do, you should take responsibility for your actions.

jongie123 said:
Man that's bad.You really should not root your next one, and if you do, you should take responsibility for your actions.
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You talking to me?
HTC gave me a new Nexus One today and mine was unlocked and replaced no problem And it wasn't to do with the kernel because the report from HTC says the battery was faulty But they gave me a new device anyway.

I love it how people just love to automatically point the figure at somebody else for their fault. Maybe you should have first read more about something when you decide to root your phone rather than running and screaming like a two year old.

There are many reasons to root/rom/kernel the phone when you may not be considered one of the 'enlightenned' as this thread seems to insinuate.
If you need to do anything that is not in the android ideal as far as application framework goes your screwed.
I bought this phone since I was "sold" that it was "open"
and for "development" that to me impiled it at least had a shell...
This thread has gotten seriously off track.
Please respond in the vein of helping identify what the stable(est)rooted baseline should be.

I flash the wrong ROM

OK. After I installed HSPL and mistakenly installed the 1.43 ROM i thought it was just OK. So I let it go until it reach 100%, after that the phone just went completely off. It won't start, it won't charge and it won't turn on. I try to do a hard reset but same thing nothing works. So right now its completely no working. Do you its still fixable?

nope... you'll have to wait and see if one of the brilliant devs come up with a work around. till then you have a very nice paper weight. If you got it from t-mobile you might still be able to warranty it but you run the risk of them finding out that it has the HSPL on it.

Yes I got it from Tmobile. I just got it yesterday and I went back to the store and they're going to give me a direct replacement. I'm just trying if it might still be revive. I know it can be done but i think its difficult.

if it was just a bad/wrong rom you would be able to boot to bootloader and flash a different rom.
problem is that the official roms also include a radio, and it is the radio from the 1.43 that has bricked your phone, not the rom.
no one has yet managed to start their phone from this kind of brick.

I know..hopefully one of this days one of the developers will be able to crack it and find a cure for it.

There is no cure I can think over other then pulling the actual radio chip and putting in a new one. I would think it would be like killing a BIOS chip on your computers mother board.

paolodoctolero said:
I know..hopefully one of this days one of the developers will be able to crack it and find a cure for it.
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no replacement? it's still under warranty....

Wil Badger said:
There is no cure I can think over other then pulling the actual radio chip and putting in a new one. I would think it would be like killing a BIOS chip on your computers mother board.
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I agree. I don't think that there will ever be a cure for this kind of flash.
Question, though... I know HTC has some ways they can directly patch into a phone's hardware. Would it be possible for them to see the data on the ROM section?
I ask, because this would probably be the only way they could detect a Hard SPL or cooked ROM, I think...

no replacement? it's still under warranty....
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They're going to replace it but the store that I bought was out of stock when I went there. They said in 5 days they receive their new HD2 and they will call me.

samsamuel said:
no replacement? it's still under warranty....
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paolodoctolero said:
Yes I got it from Tmobile. I just got it yesterday and I went back to the store and they're going to give me a direct replacement. I'm just trying if it might still be revive. I know it can be done but i think its difficult.
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I think he is just talking in general.

sometimes a rookie mistake can ruin your life..or your phone just next time you flashed it read the whole post atleast 3 times and if you dont understand something read it again or google it so know what it means thats what I do all the time. flashing a rom takes time you cant really rush it and it happens to alot of us.

sometimes a rookie mistake can ruin your life..or your phone just next time you flashed it read the whole post atleast 3 times and if you dont understand something read it again or google it so know what it means thats what I do all the time. flashing a rom takes time you cant really rush it and it happens to alot of us.
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I really understand whats the do's and don'ts of flashing a ROM. I read it very carefully. It was just I'm so excited with it and didn't even read what I am clicking in my computer. I just hit NEXT..NEXT..NEXT. But what I am going to do the damage is done and there is no point of blaming my carelessness. As what most people say "learn from your mistake".

Good bye HD2, it's been hell and back.

For the last 6 weeks I've had nothing but headaches between two T-Mobile HD2's. I bought on release date, 3 days later I was better off tossing it in the freezer because all it would do is freeze. It also lagged, was buggy and a glitch fest. Apps didnt work, screen didn't work, Sense UI wouldn't load ugh, I can go on. I got another HD2, within the first 7 hours it froze on me too lol. It also had the same issues as the first.
I just want to thank everybody here in the forums for helping solve my phone issue, as I've research and tried everything but they did not help. Also thanks to HTC and T-mobile.com for putting up with my madness lol, although T-Mobile allowed me to get my OG plan back (and keep my HD2), I can now leave T-Mobile (im under no contract) to get something else (leaning towards the Evo 4G over the Nexus One).
P.S. I hope T-Mobile gets there act together and releases a patch ASAP, it sucks that such a incredible piece of hardware is having a lot of problematic issues.

that's weird,I assume you were on stock rom which is why u got the issues...custom roms eliminate those issues u have on stock rom.

i dont think it's so much the stock ROM, mine's been wonderful with the stock ROM. it's more that he was unlucky enough to be one of the first bozos who got the phone with version 2.10. for me, rom version 2.11 has been nothing but bliss, so much that after trying several custom roms i went back to my stock 2.11 because, compared to it, all custom roms suck (winmo devs aren't as good as android devs).
there's a thread with stock roms and 2.11 is usable even without hspl (i kept hspl out of personal preference and I'll try to make my own build). good luck to you anyway. i suggest you get a nexus one and flash desire rom (or heck, get a desire)

If it is freezing, the first setting I would check is
Start > Settings > Menu > All Settings > Today > Items
The setting "Today timeout", at the bottom left hand corner,
should not be selected/enabled.

why shouldnt the today timeout be selected,just out of curiosity?

jkiller122 said:
why shouldnt the today timeout be selected,just out of curiosity?
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i just unchecked it so i'll wait and see if anything improves (i have minor freezing/lag with calls and sms sometimes)...but im also curious what this fixes

I think its more of a "You don't know how to use such a powerful piece of equipment!!!" There is nothing wrong with your phone, its just easier for you to believe your own lie when you return it by posting for others to read what horse doo doo it is,...Like for example, "Transformers missing do to a Faulty sdCARD"...sorry I have full reset my phone several times just to erase everything and removed my sdCard with no Data loss issues, I agree with the other guy, I think its you and you should properly close your apps before claiming its your phone...Ever heard P.E.B.K.A.C before?...Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair!!! That's you!!! Grow up!! These Phones Rock, apple fan boys will do anything to make a solid product look bad.

My phone has frozen at least once every day it seems like. But I think i solved the battery issue. I bought a second battery!! Haha, I am so S M R T! At any rate, I love this phone for the big screen and fast internet. I just wish I had a way to get mp4's to watch. Or that more books on barnes and noble were free.

DaveNavy said:
I think its more of a "You don't know how to use such a powerful piece of equipment!!!" There is nothing wrong with your phone, its just easier for you to believe your own lie when you return it by posting for others to read what horse doo doo it is,...Like for example, "Transformers missing do to a Faulty sdCARD"...sorry I have full reset my phone several times just to erase everything and removed my sdCard with no Data loss issues, I agree with the other guy, I think its you and you should properly close your apps before claiming its your phone...Ever heard P.E.B.K.A.C before?...Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair!!! That's you!!! Grow up!! These Phones Rock, apple fan boys will do anything to make a solid product look bad.
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LOL, Less talking, more listening kid.
It's obvious you have no idea what your talking about and lacking the intelligence to do so. I have plenty of videos posted here showing how horrible my two devices are (do a search). It's HTC Sense UI that is the problem, not WM6.5. I've shown HTC reps and T-Mobile reps my phone, they've test and diagnosis it, and if it wasn't for me, there wouldn't be a update on the way. So keep talking ****, that's why your teeth are brown.
Dude is soo anal because I gave up on my HD2, lol. If you like yours that fine but don't cry me a river because I didn't like mine lmao!

Raadius said:
I've shown HTC reps and T-Mobile reps my phone, they've test and diagnosis it, and if it wasn't for me, there wouldn't be a update on the way.
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Why does "...and Windows 7 was my idea!" come to mind?

Raadius said:
I've shown HTC reps and T-Mobile reps my phone, they've test and diagnosis it, and if it wasn't for me, there wouldn't be a update on the way.
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Are you serious! You think it's because of you that an update is on it's way?! If you do, you are a severe narcissist. The fact that you think that really makes anything else you claim questionable.

Woot, 8 posts to 1,000.
7!

zarathustrax said:
Are you serious! You think it's because of you that an update is on it's way?! If you do, you are a severe narcissist. The fact that you think that really makes anything else you claim questionable.
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Agreed.Also i thought you were an Android fan boy, didn't you have a G1?

DaveNavy said:
I think its more of a "You don't know how to use such a powerful piece of equipment!!!" There is nothing wrong with your phone, its just easier for you to believe your own lie when you return it by posting for others to read what horse doo doo it is,...Like for example, "Transformers missing do to a Faulty sdCARD"...sorry I have full reset my phone several times just to erase everything and removed my sdCard with no Data loss issues, I agree with the other guy, I think its you and you should properly close your apps before claiming its your phone...Ever heard P.E.B.K.A.C before?...Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair!!! That's you!!! Grow up!! These Phones Rock, apple fan boys will do anything to make a solid product look bad.
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you sir are an idiot.... did you look at his sdcard, you were there while he was using the phone to say it that kind of ****? you ve had good luck with you r device and I congratulate you but not everybody phone has been flawless. so basicly.........STFU.

if you go for android you will know the value of your hd2

Raadius said:
LOL, Less talking, more listening kid.
It's obvious you have no idea what your talking about and lacking the intelligence to do so. I have plenty of videos posted here showing how horrible my two devices are (do a search). It's HTC Sense UI that is the problem, not WM6.5. I've shown HTC reps and T-Mobile reps my phone, they've test and diagnosis it, and if it wasn't for me, there wouldn't be a update on the way. So keep talking ****, that's why your teeth are brown.
Dude is soo anal because I gave up on my HD2, lol. If you like yours that fine but don't cry me a river because I didn't like mine lmao!
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I was with you till you said the bolded
how solipsistic can you be to assume that based on your pathetic user experience that tmobile and htc would generate an entire updated rom to suit just your needs??? Give me a break dude...
this is xdas not fan pandering to overly zealous delusional users that are so far up steve jobs craw they can see his prostate...I mean seriously what the frick???
And I admit for 80% of errors it is brought on by the user and not the device itself. The hd2 has its flaws. All phones do...but for most users they are iphone/android converts expecting the same experience without doing any research on htc and windows mobile. And to those users, yes I say they do deserve any error they get. Why? You didn't take time to learn about your device. This isn't something as simple as a flashlight where you press the on button and something magically happens. Its a pocket pc and that means a lot...

Closing this thread as it is turning into a bashing session. Lets keep it civil.

It's been a fun ride...

It's been fun, but I'm saying good-bye to my HD2.
The lag and crashing issues aren't THAT bad (excluding the texting program) but it's just inconvenient. A phone shouldn't have any of these issues, right?? And its nice that you can try different ROMs to find better performance but you shouldn't have to search for an alternative such as that after receiving your $450 brand new phone (I regret paying the full retail price so bad. I shouldn't have bought into the hype).
And for those of you claiming to have ZERO problems with your stock TMOUS HD2's running default ROMs, I question what your definitions of "problem" and "inconvenience" are, along with your perception of lag and ability to notice it. But if our perception to lag and detail is the same and you actually don't have any problems then you are very lucky.
Things I love: Browsing, Sense minus texting, Screen, Office Mobile, Camera
Things I hate: Texting, crashes, drop of 3G (probably more of T-Mobile's fault), lack of Apps compared to the droid and apple platforms.
To be honest, if I didn't text so much, I'd probably keep the phone.
Once again, it's been fun and this forum has been VERY helpful in my quest to fix the phone. Everyone is nice and overall very well informed. Thanks!
-Alex
PS, if anyone has some secret solution to this problem(s) other than trying the latest 2.13 ROM from T-mobile (which I have already tried), I'd be willing to keep the phone!

alexs0fly said:
It's been fun, but I'm saying good-bye to my HD2.
The lag and crashing issues aren't THAT bad (excluding the texting program) but it's just inconvenient. A phone shouldn't have any of these issues, right?? And its nice that you can try different ROMs to find better performance but you shouldn't have to search for an alternative such as that after receiving your $450 brand new phone (I regret paying the full retail price so bad. I shouldn't have bought into the hype).
And for those of you claiming to have ZERO problems with your stock TMOUS HD2's running default ROMs, I question what your definitions of "problem" and "inconvenience" are, along with your perception of lag and ability to notice it. But if our perception to lag and detail is the same and you actually don't have any problems then you are very lucky.
Things I love: Browsing, Sense minus texting, Screen, Office Mobile, Camera
Things I hate: Texting, crashes, drop of 3G (probably more of T-Mobile's fault), lack of Apps compared to the droid and apple platforms.
To be honest, if I didn't text so much, I'd probably keep the phone.
Once again, it's been fun and this forum has been VERY helpful in my quest to fix the phone. Everyone is nice and overall very well informed. Thanks!
-Alex
PS, if anyone has some secret solution to this problem(s) other than trying the latest 2.13 ROM from T-mobile, I'd be willing to keep the phone!
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have you updated to the latest rom? texting has greatly improved IMHO. that was also my major concern with this phone prior to the update.

I agree with you to a certain extent, Alex. But I am more of a tinkerer to find solutions to the problems. If there weren't ANY problems with the phone, I would get rid of it!!!!
As far as texting... have you tried Swype? I came from a hardware-keyboard phone myself, and hated trying to text with the onscreen keyboard. But after getting used to Swype, I can say that I am MUCH happier.
With all that said... I'll give you $100 for your phone!!!!

I'll go to 105.

Alex,
If you bought a car, and a few months later the manufacturer announces they have a modification they can do to the car that will address certain issues, including one that you're experiencing (let's assume something other than critical safety issues)....do you return the car, or let them apply the modification?
It's the same idea with the new tmo ROM...it's an official update that you should try, especially with your SMS issues. No product is perfect out of the gate, and an official update like this is the only real way for them to try to fix issues from the factory. If you like the phone other than those reasons you listed, it seems silly to walk away from it already without even giving that a try.

Sorry that I didn't make it clear but I'm running the 2.13 right now. Texting is a little better but still laggy. And I should probably give swype a try before writing it off. We will see. Thanks guys

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I've got 110.00

Alex, what phone are you gonna switch to?

Software Vs. Hardware
I really don't have any major problems with anything on the stock rom. No lags or nothing. That being said, if I experienced any issues my first response would be to find out if its hardware or software related.
In my mind, you can solve every single software related issues and I really love the HD2 hardware so there is no way I will ever return mine just because I face some software issues. And this is the great thing about WM, you can actually tweak it to function the way you want.
I must say that this is not the phone for someone who wants it work out of the box. I mean it works but you really need to know what you are doing. Regarding the apps, WM has far more apps then any mobile os out there, you cannot just compare the marketplace apps. Its WM, you have to know what you are getting into before you buy a phone.

alexs0fly said:
Sorry that I didn't make it clear but I'm running the 2.13 right now. Texting is a little better but still laggy. And I should probably give swype a try before writing it off. We will see. Thanks guys
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Ahhh gotcha, understood now, sorry.
Yes I would definitely give swype a try, once you use it, it's a whole different touch-typing experience.
The only other thing I'd ask is how often you clear out text messages on your phone? I think that 99% of the SMS freezing is due to too many text messages in the client at once. I clean mine out once a day at least, more if I'm texting a lot that day. I simply run a quick myphone backup to save them off-phone, and then I wipe out any threads I'm not currently conversing in (including clearing the deleted items folder). I never have any SMS freezing, even on the original (2.10) tmo ROM I'm still running.

adamhlj said:
Alex, what phone are you gonna switch to?
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I'm gonna just go with something simple and cheap like a Blackberry 8900 or 8520. I also need the money because something came up =/
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I really don't have any major problems with anything on the stock rom. No lags or nothing. That being said, if I experienced any issues my first response would be to find out if its hardware or software related.
In my mind, you can solve every single software related issues and I really love the HD2 hardware so there is no way I will ever return mine just because I face some software issues. And this is the great thing about WM, you can actually tweak it to function the way you want.
I must say that this is not the phone for someone who wants it work out of the box. I mean it works but you really need to know what you are doing. Regarding the apps, WM has far more apps then any mobile os out there, you cannot just compare the marketplace apps. Its WM, you have to know what you are getting into before you buy a phone.
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Yeah, I know there's a lot of tweaking involved. I guess I just belong to the group of people that just want their phone to operate nearly perfectly fresh out of the box. I guess I really didn't know what I was getting myself into. I should have looked further into WM.
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Ahhh gotcha, understood now, sorry.
Yes I would definitely give swype a try, once you use it, it's a whole different touch-typing experience.
The only other thing I'd ask is how often you clear out text messages on your phone? I think that 99% of the SMS freezing is due to too many text messages in the client at once. I clean mine out once a day at least, more if I'm texting a lot that day. I simply run a quick myphone backup to save them off-phone, and then I wipe out any threads I'm not currently conversing in (including clearing the deleted items folder). I never have any SMS freezing, even on the original (2.10) tmo ROM I'm still running.
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I'm testing out swype. I don't like it for the moment but I think its just because I'm not used to it. Gonna keep messing with it. As for clearing messages, I try not to let mine exceed 50. I wish I never had SMS freezing. I had less freezing on Kumar's classic 1.6 though

your hd2
alexs0fly said:
I'm gonna just go with something simple and cheap like a Blackberry 8900 or 8520. I also need the money because something came up =/
Yeah, I know there's a lot of tweaking involved. I guess I just belong to the group of people that just want their phone to operate nearly perfectly fresh out of the box. I guess I really didn't know what I was getting myself into. I should have looked further into WM.
I'm testing out swype. I don't like it for the moment but I think its just because I'm not used to it. Gonna keep messing with it. As for clearing messages, I try not to let mine exceed 50. I wish I never had SMS freezing. I had less freezing on Kumar's classic 1.6 though
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let me know if you decide you want to get rid of your phone. I would seriously consider buying it if your price isn't to far fetched.

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Regarding the apps, WM has far more apps then any mobile os out there, you cannot just compare the marketplace apps.
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Apps that are compatible with this phone's resolution? Apps that compare to the UI of other platforms? Games that are similar to one on the other platforms?
Until you can show me this, I will still consider WM phones to be a NON-app instensive platform. Yes, they have all the apps you could need to do anything with, but they don't have all the apps you WANT.

jaliscojorge said:
let me know if you decide you want to get rid of your phone. I would seriously consider buying it if your price isn't to far fetched.
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What do you consider a "far fetched" price to be? I cant take too big of a loss either you know.

alexs0fly said:
What do you consider a "far fetched" price to be? I cant take too big of a loss either you know.
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pm me with a price and i will let you know if i can afford it.

i want to get rid of my phone too, evo 4g is out and it puts this phone to shame.. the laggy texting ect..swype wont even help u.. and u can get swype for a lot of phones anyway.

I have to agree with you 100%, I am coming of of a Nokia E51 which for a three year old phone has more basic, logical features which I though every phone would have.
The sms lagg is horrible and I experience all the time, or the fact that we cant keep the hom page looking the way it does and turn off the active weather. It lags the crap out of th phone if u just go to move screens or find something and its showing you clouds for 19 seconds scrolling by..
you cannot uninstal the useless applications that came with it without whiping the entire phone.
The new update is fine and dandy, but It clears the whole phone, so eveyr thign I have installed and set i have to redo just to get an upgrade, totaly idiotic in my mind. If its a OS update, then it should only effect the OS backround files not reset the total system.
Backing up contact. Sims only store 250 contact. I have over 300 so I have many on my phone it self, to copy the entire phone book to memory card, i have to do it one by one. Yes I know I can instal an app for it, but should I really have to? thats should be a basic app. Syncing with your computer, requires you to have email set up in outlook, I dont use out look, so I have to go through all that troube just to get that done.
In my house, my nokia has full signal at all times, with this new bad boy phone i barly get one bar if I am lucky.
Just simple little things which should be an automacit features on phones are missing here. I dont get the thinking behind that.
To the person who did the car analogy. Would you buy a expensive car if you had to install the breaks you self after purchase.. Oh you want a rear veiw mirror? here is a mirror, and some glue go have fun? no you would not, you would expect all functions to be there.
The phone doesnt even allow you to control how you view your contacts for crying out loud, I had to D/L an app to set if i want to view first name/ last name, vs the default last name first name. That is just bad.
Out side of a big shiny screen that eats ur batery life in one day and the camera.. nothing special.
just my two cents

rysky007, I agree with you for the most part

Would you buy a car knowing that it does not come with certain features or does not perform the way you want it to? Or do you just buy any car expecting all of them to come with features just because a car of another brand had them? There is a reason why it's better to lease a BMW than buying it.
It seems like you're the average joe that bought into the hype not knowing what Windows Mobile is.
Don't come crying just because the phone was not what you expected it to be. Do your homework next time before making a purchase.
rysky007 said:
I have to agree with you 100%, I am coming of of a Nokia E51 which for a three year old phone has more basic, logical features which I though every phone would have.
The sms lagg is horrible and I experience all the time, or the fact that we cant keep the hom page looking the way it does and turn off the active weather. It lags the crap out of th phone if u just go to move screens or find something and its showing you clouds for 19 seconds scrolling by..
you cannot uninstal the useless applications that came with it without whiping the entire phone.
The new update is fine and dandy, but It clears the whole phone, so eveyr thign I have installed and set i have to redo just to get an upgrade, totaly idiotic in my mind. If its a OS update, then it should only effect the OS backround files not reset the total system.
Backing up contact. Sims only store 250 contact. I have over 300 so I have many on my phone it self, to copy the entire phone book to memory card, i have to do it one by one. Yes I know I can instal an app for it, but should I really have to? thats should be a basic app. Syncing with your computer, requires you to have email set up in outlook, I dont use out look, so I have to go through all that troube just to get that done.
In my house, my nokia has full signal at all times, with this new bad boy phone i barly get one bar if I am lucky.
Just simple little things which should be an automacit features on phones are missing here. I dont get the thinking behind that.
To the person who did the car analogy. Would you buy a expensive car if you had to install the breaks you self after purchase.. Oh you want a rear veiw mirror? here is a mirror, and some glue go have fun? no you would not, you would expect all functions to be there.
The phone doesnt even allow you to control how you view your contacts for crying out loud, I had to D/L an app to set if i want to view first name/ last name, vs the default last name first name. That is just bad.
Out side of a big shiny screen that eats ur batery life in one day and the camera.. nothing special.
just my two cents
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PoisonWolf said:
Would you buy a car knowing that it does not come with certain features or does not perform the way you want it to? Or do you just buy any car expecting all of them to come with features just because a car of another brand had them? There is a reason why it's better to lease a BMW than buying it.
It seems like you're the average joe that bought into the hype not knowing what Windows Mobile is.
Don't come crying just because the phone was not what you expected it to be. Do your homework next time before making a purchase.
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A better analogy is you are buying a stock BMW and expecting it to drive like a F1 race car. Fact is, you have to add certain available add-ons to make it into a M5-ish car with the type of race tires you want and the suspension your driving habits need.