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I upgrade the ROM fairly frequently on my Blackstone, usually with the latest Dutty release. This was fine up til yesterday. I installed Dutty's Holy Grail R0 ROM, and after installation, after about an hour, the device completely locked up. I pressed the reset button, and the device Hard-resetted, removing everything and going back through the setup screens. This happened a couple of times, so last night I put on a different ROM, Dutty's WM6.5 R15. The device locked up after about an hour, and wouldn't get past the "smart mobility" screen when restarted. This morning I loaded the stock (Orange UK) ROM back onto the device. I haven't had the chance to check if this problem will re-occur, but when I turn on the phone the colours are flipped (putting it to sleep and turning it on again fix this problem, but on a soft-reset it happens again). Seems I can't get anything right at the moment, can anyone suggest what might be up? Tech specs below:
UK Touch HD on Orange
USPL - used exactly as per the Dummies Guide.
Using Win7 x64 (yes, I've got the drivers installed correctly for USPL)
ROMs mentioned in post:
Dutty's Holy Grail R0
Dutty's W6.5 R15
I suppose you didn't install the stock ROM prior to installing the Dutty ROM. You MUST flash a stock ROM before you flash a home cooked ROM, since they work a bit differently when it comes to erasing data. USPL doesn't seem to be the best way either. I had similar problems like you when I used USPL.
So try the following:
Flash your SPL to OliNex
Flash your device with a stock ROM
Use HSPL to flash the Dutty ROM of choice
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I suppose you didn't install the stock ROM prior to installing the Dutty ROM. You MUST flash a stock ROM before you flash a home cooked ROM, since they work a bit differently when it comes to erasing data. USPL doesn't seem to be the best way either. I had similar problems like you when I used USPL.
So try the following:
Flash your SPL to OliNex
Flash your device with a stock ROM
Use HSPL to flash the Dutty ROM of choice
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not sure where you got your info, but, you DO NOT have to flash a stock ROM before flashing a cooked ROM. if you're having issues, they could be solved by flashing a STOCK rom. i'm sure i've flashed my HD over 60+ times and never flashed a stock ROM before doing so. i have not had any issues at all. in the original poster's case, it could be that the STOCK ROM he flashed requires an older SPL.
not sure where you got your info, but, you DO NOT have to flash a stock ROM before flashing a cooked ROM. if you're having issues, they could be solved by flashing a STOCK rom. i'm sure i've flashed my HD over 60+ times and never flashed a stock ROM before doing so. i have not had any issues at all. in the original poster's case, it could be that the STOCK ROM he flashed requires an older SPL.
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Could it be the SPL? Does USPL work with every ROM? The confusing thing is having flashed a stock ROM (the Orange UK ROM), while the device seems fine (apart from having to use 6.1!) it does suffer from the bizarre colour problem while starting up. If I were to flash the SPL to HardSPL, would I be able to undo this? I don't really want to get the phone to a state where I can't return it to the stock ROM/SPL if I need to return it.
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not sure where you got your info, but, you DO NOT have to flash a stock ROM before flashing a cooked ROM. if you're having issues, they could be solved by flashing a STOCK rom. i'm sure i've flashed my HD over 60+ times and never flashed a stock ROM before doing so. i have not had any issues at all. in the original poster's case, it could be that the STOCK ROM he flashed requires an older SPL.
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lol i was gunna say exactly the same thing
fredley said:
Could it be the SPL? Does USPL work with every ROM? The confusing thing is having flashed a stock ROM (the Orange UK ROM), while the device seems fine (apart from having to use 6.1!) it does suffer from the bizarre colour problem while starting up. If I were to flash the SPL to HardSPL, would I be able to undo this? I don't really want to get the phone to a state where I can't return it to the stock ROM/SPL if I need to return it.
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maybe you should try hspl rather than uspl, its a lot easer and more convient, and its eaaasy to go bk to your original spl if you need to
cortez.i said:
not sure where you got your info, but, you DO NOT have to flash a stock ROM before flashing a cooked ROM. if you're having issues, they could be solved by flashing a STOCK rom. i'm sure i've flashed my HD over 60+ times and never flashed a stock ROM before doing so. i have not had any issues at all. in the original poster's case, it could be that the STOCK ROM he flashed requires an older SPL.
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Just sharing the experience from myself and several users at HTCpedia where flashing a stock ROM first is the general recommendation. You might have made it just fine with your HD without a "stock flash", but you may have different set-up of your phone (SPL, ROMs) than others. That's why I say play it safe and install the (latest) stock ROM and HSPL-OliNex. Seems to work for more or less everyone.
However, I agree that there is no definitive explanation to why you should flash the stock ROM, but it seems as if the flashing procedure of a stock ROM resets the memory completely, where a cooked ROM flash does not. Note that this well may be an issue with the wrapper and not the ROM, but that's another story.
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Just sharing the experience from myself and several users at HTCpedia where flashing a stock ROM first is the general recommendation. You might have made it just fine with your HD without a "stock flash", but you may have different set-up of your phone (SPL, ROMs) than others. That's why I say play it safe and install the (latest) stock ROM and HSPL-OliNex. Seems to work for more or less everyone.
However, I agree that there is no definitive explanation to why you should flash the stock ROM, but it seems as if the flashing procedure of a stock ROM resets the memory completely, where a cooked ROM flash does not. Note that this well may be an issue with the wrapper and not the ROM, but that's another story.
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The best thing to do is use mtty to completely format your device and totaly remove the current os and any defragmented parts of older roms left in the memory blocks before flashing a new rom
Ogredani said:
Just sharing the experience from myself and several users at HTCpedia where flashing a stock ROM first is the general recommendation. You might have made it just fine with your HD without a "stock flash", but you may have different set-up of your phone (SPL, ROMs) than others. That's why I say play it safe and install the (latest) stock ROM and HSPL-OliNex. Seems to work for more or less everyone.
However, I agree that there is no definitive explanation to why you should flash the stock ROM, but it seems as if the flashing procedure of a stock ROM resets the memory completely, where a cooked ROM flash does not. Note that this well may be an issue with the wrapper and not the ROM, but that's another story.
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Think someone in HTCPedia was playing if safe by suggesting users flash stock rom before flashing cooked rom. Like cortez.i said above you DO NOT need to flash a stock ROM before flashing a cooked ROM. Some poeple occasionally experience issues with cooked roms and a solution can be to flash a stock rom. But like cortez.i I've flashed well over 200+ times and never flashed a stock ROM before doing so and I've never had an issue. It may be inexperienced users are doing something different which causes these issues or haven't followed the flashing process properly.
i switched out my iphone 3g with an HD2 phone, and so far i like the phone itself. except one thing irritates the crap out of me and makes me just about want a different phone. when texting, or doing ANYTHING on the phone for that matter, and i get an incoming text message, the phone completely freezes up for almost up to 10 seconds. every single time. this is quite irritating and i've searched and searched and searched for fixes to this problem. is there anything out there to remedy this problem? or am i going to be plagued with it for an unset amount of time?
Hi guy!
I remember that i have this "lag" in official ROM with 1.66 base, but now in 2.10 ROM the contact was update and it's really faster!
Wich rom are you using?
thank you for the quick reply. my version is 2.13.531.1
here's the full info of my phone
OS - 5.2.21892
manila - 2.5.20121412.2
rom - 2.13.531.1
radio - 2.10.50.26
protocol - 15.39.50.07U
That's really strange! Because since 2.10 i think that the lag was remove!
Then if you can (and want) you can flash your ROM with a cooked ROM!
(You're on TMO official ROM no?)
If you need help to chose a ROM i can help you!
what effects/benefits would flashing with a cooked rom do? i'm new to this type of format
and yes i am. i've owned the phone for only a week or two.
ah nevermind, i looked it up. they're basically custom roms, yes? so i guess the task would be to find the right rom
Custom ROM included lastest driver and update. Many tweaks or mod are cook in so it's works better than a basic cab!
The good Cook ROM offers you better memory beacause deleted some useless files, so fatser and stable for somes ROM. The HD2 was my first WM Phone (iPhone 3Gs before) i was afraid to use a cooked rom and now i'm addicted!
Only advantage so in Cook ROM (if it's a good ROM)
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ah nevermind, i looked it up. they're basically custom roms, yes? so i guess the task would be to find the right rom
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Yes it's like an official ROM but with some Tweak and mod (like Cookies Home Tab)
Personnaly i'm using
Clean EX ROM and Hyper ROM it's a 6.5.x roms but clean EX do 6.5 roms (like officiel)
6.5.x are more finger friendly
Look these links!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618787 (chucky)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=591784 (energy)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=612580 (artemis)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656835 (Clean EX (3 ROMS in this kitchen)) (i'm using HyperROM)
All cook rom are good, but i select for you the most popular and after you will be a "pro" you can chose yourself !
awesome! thanks for the help i'll look through those and try one (or some) out. much appreciated!
ive been having same problem lately when texting. but all this ROM stuff kind of scares me a lil i dont really know what im doin, any advice on installing that stuff?
ok so i've tried to flash a rom about 4 times. couple times with chucky, and once with the ManiLess rom and everytime i get stuck. my phone goes through the 4 color screen, then HTC shows up on my phone with the progress bar (progress bar also shows up on my PC), but after a time, it stops responding and i must take my battery out and turn it back on to recover it. the RUU and the .nbh files are the only two files in the directory. i even tried using a different RUU than the one that came with the cooked ROM, but still does not work.
what could i be missing? i think i'm going to try one more time with a different ROM and see what happens
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ive been having same problem lately when texting. but all this ROM stuff kind of scares me a lil i dont really know what im doin, any advice on installing that stuff?
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so far in my experience it's pretty straight forward. you have a single .nbh file which is the rom, then an RUU application that should be in the same folder that launches a wizard and you just make sure your phone is plugged into the PC and synced and it does it all for you. but just so far for me it gets stuck.
here's a video that shows a guy doing it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vh7GAx_lZE&feature=player_embedded
clicks accept twice, then it automatically does it. mine just gets stuck at the HTC screen on the phone
Hum wich rom have you choose?
-So first you HSPL your phone (but you already do that so... go next step)
-second you need to task 29 your phone (clean beforme flashing)(by doolop)
-after you need flash your ROM and Radio ROM (if it's needed)
-And you can make an HardReset (after flashing) because some guys recommend that but i never do this and i never have problem!
And have fun!
So wich ROM? IS it possible that you make a short video?
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so far in my experience it's pretty straight forward. you have a single .nbh file which is the rom, then an RUU application that should be in the same folder that launches a wizard and you just make sure your phone is plugged into the PC and synced and it does it all for you. but just so far for me it gets stuck.
here's a video that shows a guy doing it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vh7GAx_lZE&feature=player_embedded
clicks accept twice, then it automatically does it. mine just gets stuck at the HTC screen on the phone
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Why SSPL? HSPL is much better!
i just saw HSPL, and that was the next method i was going to try. i'm going to try the black dse one again. the same one you have. i like the darker theme to it
ok i'm giving up for the night. i have SPL 2.10, so i gotta downgrade, right? i'll look into that tomorrow...i've been staring at this screen for way too long haha.
hmmmm...further research says since i have SPL 2.10, there's no way to downgrade to 2.8 or lower, is there? so i'm stuck with 2.10 until an HSPL is released for it (if one even becomes released)?
I have had no such luck in another thread the tmobile us hd2 section and ppl are I feel being kinda snotty to me. I would like if someone could answer a few questions for me and help me out.
I want to Flash to Energy.Leo.21905.Sense2.5.GTX.Themed and I got the HSPL for it. My question is where can I find the stock rom and spl for the phone incase I need to warranty exchange or return it. I have the Tmobile US 1024 Leo
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I have had no such luck in another thread the tmobile us hd2 section and ppl are I feel being kinda snotty to me. I would like if someone could answer a few questions for me and help me out.
I want to Flash to Energy.Leo.21905.Sense2.5.GTX.Themed and I got the HSPL for it. My question is where can I find the stock rom and spl for the phone incase I need to warranty exchange or return it. I have the Tmobile US 1024 Leo
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Hmmm well try searching the forum. If that doesn't help, i'm sure I saw a stock T-mobile rom somewhere...HSPL will allow you to install the T-Mobile rom back onto the device. Go to T-mobile's website, i'm sure they've released an update for the HD2, you can flash that back onto the HD2. And remember to remove HSPL when you send your device back if something happpens. Hope I helped
Thanks yeah. I guess the better question is the update they released on the tmobile website is that suffecient since thats just an update?
go to t mobile section, click rom development thread, one of the top 4 or 5 threads (its a sticky) is called [rom] leo 1.5 test and stock roms or something like that, in there is a list of roms from 2.0 right up to 2.13 (stay away from those below 2.10, just for safety, some of them have dodgy spl's)
the two you should take note of are 2.10.0 and 2.13. Theyre the two stock roms that the tmous shipped with. (the 2.10.1 in that folder isnt an official stock rom, your phone will see it as a cooked rom)
Ahhh Awesome. Thanks. So if I need to send it back I uninstall the hspl and when I install the stock rom the spl is automatically put back?
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Ahhh Awesome. Thanks. So if I need to send it back I uninstall the hspl and when I install the stock rom the spl is automatically put back?
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depends which is your stock
if its 2.10
install the 2.10.0 stock from usb, then run hspl1024 and choose 2.08.0000
if its 2.13
run hspl1024 and choose 2.08.0000 and THEN flash the 2.13 stock from usb.
for 2.10 you can do it either way round, remove hspl first and then flash the stock, or flash teh stock then remove hspl. (because it's stock, it doesnt need hspl) for 2.13 however you must remove hspl first, because you need to flash back to spl 2.10.0000 and hspl1024 doesn't support that, so when you flash 2.13 if hspl is NOT installed then your spl will be upgraded to 2.10.0000, but if you leave hspl installed it wont remove it, and you will need to downgrade again so you can remove it, then upgrade again, lol.
my ROM is 2.13 and spl i suppose is 2.10
So who was being snotty to you. I answered all these questions in your last thread about the same thing. I ever went so far to link you to everything.
i felt a few of your replies were kinda anotty in assuming i didn't read any of the threads or didn't do searches. just to clear it up i spent weeks looking around reading before i decided to sign up and ask not because i was lazy to read but because i didn't understand it too much. also a few other people i felt were a little rude in assuming that i would be doing all of this with no computer.
Sorry if people come off that way but the information is there and it tends to get asked a lot and answered just as much so people tends to get tired of answering the same thing over and over.
I'll apologize for everybody. Sorry if we came off rude. Like I said it's all there I linked to what you needed in the other thread. I understand it can be frustrating to try and find information that doesn't contradict itself from thread to thread. The last thing you want to do is brick an expensive phone.
So you'll want to download HSPL2-sync the phone on the computer-run HSPL-follow instruction
Once that is done go into T-Mobile rom section - download one of the NRG roms( can't go wrong with his for your first flash)- unzip and put the file LEOIMG.nbh into the main directory of the memory card - turn off the phone and put into bootloader - hit the power button to load the rom - done........
Hope that helps and simplifies things for ya.
its alright man i understand there are idiots that don't read. i know my problem is with my browser the search doesn't show up so if it doesn't come up in google i don't find it. i did read though i gotta downgrade my stockrom in order to get to spl 2.08
yep HSPL 2.08 then Hard HSPL 2.08
cool cool. I sent a pm to nrgz and asked him personally to make sure the rom I chose will work but no reply I think he might have a crap ton of messages and wont read it. Waiting to see if someone will let me know. it's the gtx themed energy leo rom for 1024
Which one are you looking at I can tell you or tell you which one is the right one with the same options.
Did you have a chance to run HSPL yet?
he is talking about the gtx version of this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=591784
Yep it will work with no issue. Though using that one will not have any of the preloaded T-Mobile programs. As long as you know that.
Morning all,
I've had my Leo for about 6 weeks now and out of curiousity i decided that before I went to bed tonight I would see what the score with the 576MB Ram hack/fix/tweak was. To be honest I am very impressed and disappointed at the same time. The reason for my impressed-ness was my phone actually does have 576mb of ram and not 448mb!! "SWEET!!!!!", I exclaimed, but while researching the topic it's been made very clear (hence my disappointment) i need a tmous 202 based rom (I have a question about rom version numbers themselves I will come back to at the end). I have a european HD2 on O2-UK and my first question is this:
Will a tmous 202 based rom brick my Leo?
It was also made clear that i need a radio version of 2.08.50.x was needed.
**ANSWERED** I have 2.10.50.19_2. Will that enable the extra RAM? I found out, thanks to nrg, that any radio versioned 2.xx.50.x_x will unlock the extra ram
My research also showed that hspl2 is most likely required. So which version of hspl2 do i need? I have already flashed hspl to my device as you will see from my sig so that is no biggy. I just want to check version numbers.
And, finally, going back to the rom version numbers. I understand that I have rom version 1.66.blah and that there are versions before and after mine spanning from 1.43 to 2.02 (maybe higher) but I don't understand which of these has WM 6.5 and which has WM 6.5.3, 6.5.5 or whatever. I've been looking like mad trying to find some sort of table but I'm lucking out and a pointer would be greatfully received . I ask because i am aware that in 6.5.5 the taskbar has moved from the top of the screen to the bottom and there are also several other differences between the versions.
So i think that just about covers all my questions for now on this topic. Massive thanks to everyone who can provide useful and helpful answers and just a little less thanks to everyone else
I just thought i'd give this a bump becuase i noticed it got moved. I also came to settle on energy rom standard sense 23569 but i can't seem to find a link for the june 6th version. Although with the comments i'm seeing about the new touch driver that nrg included the may 25th version my be the way to go.
I'm still looking for answers on the TMOUS 202 based rom questions and the hspl2 question. I'm not entirely sure what the answer to those questions is. From my reading it would appear that the TMOUS 202 rom would probably brick my device but i can't confirm it but it seems hspl2 would be ok. Does anyone have any confirmation on these?
And, lastly, does anyone know where i can find some clarification on which build numbers or rom version correspond to which WM 6.5 tree? this one is bugging me because i'm expected to make and informed choice and not knowing exactly what i'm flashing on my device isn't helping
hey mate, I am not sure as to the correct answers to your questions, but I thought I may aswell tell you about how I did with flashing my unbranded UK rom with a 576mb rom.
I decided top load a 576mb rom when i loaded a custom one since when i chose to load a new custom rom they had worked out most of the issues with 576mb ram (noise on phone calls and instability and stuff)
I had a good search and I was most impressed with this rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653994
(sadly this rom has been discontinued)
So i set up my device, I installed the latest hspl which was version 2.08 at the time
I downloaded the rom, I followed this guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=609477
I did the task 29 first
then proceeded to start loading the rom
it started to install, then hung at around 25% I was quite distraught at the time, I had only had the device for about 1 week and bricking it so quickly really worried me.
after about 20 minutes of sitting there watching it I decided to pull the plug.
I restarted the device and of course it just hung on the htc logo
I restarted it again and got into the hspl bootloader (i breathed a sigh of relief knowing i could at least get the official radio back on it and then send it back to htc if something was wrong)
I tried to install the rom again however, and it hung at the same point. I was slightly confused now and decided to look at my setup.
My pc is a long way from my desk so I use a lot of usb extenders and hubs. Now I had seen advice not to flash it through a hub, so i was using an extension wire to make the htc cable long enough to get to the phone.
i decided to try and flash it without the extension wire.
It worked, it flashed in about 6 minutes or so, rebooted, and worked fine.
and now to this day I stil have that rom on it and I havent looked back, its been the best phone user experience I have ever had.
I also have the full 576mb of ram available now and it is working fine.
I hope this to be a reassuring post more than a scare story. The truth is that once you have hspl on the device it is actually very hard too brick it (similar too PSP's if you ever worked with custom firmwares on them and their equivalent bootloaders)
So my advice would be to go for it, follow the guides available and enjoy a new 576mb ram device
it's been made very clear (hence my disappointment) i need a tmous 202 based rom
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not specifically 2.02 rom, any tmous rom will unlock (when flashed with a correct radio, more in a sec). The latest stock is 2.13
however that doesnt mean you have to flash a tmous stock rom, it just means the custom rom you flash must have used a tmous rom as its base. (Any rom that advertises itself as 576 enabled uses tmous as a base)
It was also made clear that i need a radio version of 2.08.50.x was needed.
**ANSWERED** I have 2.10.50.19_2. Will that enable the extra RAM?
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Any radio with ..50.. and not ..51.. in the version number, when used with a 2.x based rom (cooked or stock) should work to unlock the RAM.
If you flash a 576 enabled ROM and your radio is still a ..51.. the phone wont boot, or may only boot once, then hang at grey screen, until you enter bootloader and flash a ..50.. radio.
My research also showed that hspl2 is most likely required. So which version of hspl2 do i need?
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HSPL2 is not required if you already have HSPL installed, all the roms will work quite happily with the HSPL you already have. However HSPL2 lets you choose more than just 1.42.HSPL, so you can match the spl to the rom version. (Or do as i did, install 2.08.HSPL and leave it at that, regardless of rom.)
No proof that having the correct spl or a higher version spl makes any difference, but it can't hurt, right?
I understand that I have rom version 1.66.blah and that there are versions before and after mine spanning from 1.43 to 2.02 (maybe higher) but I don't understand which of these has WM 6.5 and which has WM 6.5.3, 6.5.5
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All stock roms, , , , ALL stock roms, , are 6.5
You can tell by the build number, the 5 digit number in chefs rom thread titles, but i dont really know.
There are loads of different builds, i 'think' builds 21xxx are 6.5 whilst 23xxx are 6.5.3, but 6.5.5 is also 23xxx, or maybe 28xxx, hehe. Sorry, you'll need to look that up.
Oh, and regarding the unlocked ram, when you are loking to see if it is unlocked, if you view the systems available memory, it will show 448 (128 taken by graphics card), you should look in the settings - about phone - hardware info screen.
thanks sam you cleared some things up for me aswell as the op i dare say.
Thanks Sam. The radio thing i figured out thanks to something i saw in the rom dev board and because i was trying to get better signal for when i'm at a mates house down the road i flashed 2.10.50.19_2 a while ago so i don't need to do anymore with that but i think i will just blast hspl 2.08 on tomorrow.
I do have one question regards version numbers. From what you have said my understanding is that all the stock roms are 6.5 and not 6.5.x. I've also deduced from what you said about the build numbers (with the help of some brief research) that 6.5.3 has build numbers in the low end of the 23000 range possibly 233xx?) and 6.5.5 has build numbers in the 235xx range.
Once i do flash my phone i'm not going to be that concerned about checking if it worked or not. I spent 4 hours reading every post in the original thread on the subject and i'm convinced that as long as i use the right radio and the right rom everything will be fine. I'm just not looking forward to transfering all the data on my sd card back and forth
Hi, I recently bought a T-mobile HD2, the unit isn't unlocked yet but I plan to unlock it and use it with AT&T, anyways I'm interested in running Android on the device. Would updating the HD2 from the HTC website which I believe is the official update website prohibit me in anyway from locking out Android or do anything negative in terms of customization of the HD2 unit?
I am running the updated rom 2.13 I am on t-mobile though and I am able to use android all day but once I restart it reverts back to WM. So I am not sure if this helps you...I was able to get everything running but the calls sounded robotic. I read I needed to flash to a new rom.
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Hi, I recently bought a T-mobile HD2, the unit isn't unlocked yet but I plan to unlock it and use it with AT&T, anyways I'm interested in running Android on the device. Would updating the HD2 from the HTC website which I believe is the official update website prohibit me in anyway from locking out Android or do anything negative in terms of customization of the HD2 unit?
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Well first, if you have the T-Mobile version of the phone, you do NOT want to use an update from the HTC site, that's for the euro version of the phone. The upgraded stock rom that you can use is available on T-Mobile's support page for the HD2.
Now, flashing to the correct updated ROM will not prevent you from doing anything...you'll still be able to unlock it later, you can still run Android, and you can still do any customizations you want. It's just a newer version of the stock ROM that originally came on the phone.
Hey, thanks so much guys, I'll search for the T-mobile page. I'm glad you guys caught it before I bricked me phone.
BTW, I read that you the T-Mobile Version of the HD2 doesnt use radios. What exactly are radios? I know they mean like firmware versions but what is the term. Also, do you guys recommend flashing a different WM rom or just keep the stock one? I tried to read about Android on the HD2 but I need some user advice. Is Android now stable enough for everyday use on the HD2? Also, could you use applications on the HD2 Android Rom? Will they work as they should? Lastly, why didn't the developers develop a Android rom that you could flash so you didn't have to reboot into it after every Hard Reset?
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BTW, I read that you the T-Mobile Version of the HD2 doesnt use radios. What exactly are radios? I know they mean like firmware versions but what is the term.
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The US HD2 certainly does use radios, it just uses different ones than the euro version...in fact, that's most of the reason the wrong ROM could brick your phone, because of radio incompatibility. As you said, the radios you see referred to here are the firmware packages used to control the hardware radios in the phone (voice, 3G/EDGE, GPS, WiFi, BT). When you flash a different radio, you're applying a different set of settings to the way all that functions.
Also, do you guys recommend flashing a different WM rom or just keep the stock one?
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That's generally completely a matter of personal opinion, some people will tell you that using a custom ROM is so critical that if you don't your grandchildren will walk funny, etc....whereas I am doing just fine running the stock ROM and just manually tweaking and hacking it to my liking, part by part. However, if you're going to be running Android on it, there's evidence that having a custom ROM vs the stock will help with some of the known problems with the Android ports that are available.
I tried to read about Android on the HD2 but I need some user advice. Is Android now stable enough for everyday use on the HD2? Also, could you use applications on the HD2 Android Rom? Will they work as they should?
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There's several builds available, and all of the current ones are remarkably stable compared to the first attempts. But, I believe that that there's still not any that are absolutely 100% fully-functional...each has some minor drawback or caveat, like BT or 3G or the camera not working right, but usually that's the only issue(s). Also, it's been a couple of days since I checked on those, so they may have come even farther since then. One common drawback to all of them though is the heaaavvvy battery drain...but this is also being addressed as quickly as possible. And yes, in every build the apps and marketplace seem to be working just as they would on any factory android install.
Lastly, why didn't the developers develop a Android rom that you could flash so you didn't have to reboot into it after every Hard Reset?
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That seems to have become the final frontier for Android on the HD2...the release of a fully stand-alone ROM. Trust me, they are working on that, there's tons of members here drooling and waiting for that exact thing. It requires a completely different method of loading Android into memory, so there's a lot more kinks to work out
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The US HD2 certainly does use radios, it just uses different ones than the euro version...in fact, that's most of the reason the wrong ROM could brick your phone, because of radio incompatibility. As you said, the radios you see referred to here are the firmware packages used to control the hardware radios in the phone (voice, 3G/EDGE, GPS, WiFi, BT). When you flash a different radio, you're applying a different set of settings to the way all that functions.
That's generally completely a matter of personal opinion, some people will tell you that using a custom ROM is so critical that if you don't your grandchildren will walk funny, etc....whereas I am doing just fine running the stock ROM and just manually tweaking and hacking it to my liking, part by part. However, if you're going to be running Android on it, there's evidence that having a custom ROM vs the stock will help with some of the known problems with the Android ports that are available.
There's several builds available, and all of the current ones are remarkably stable compared to the first attempts. But, I believe that that there's still not any that are absolutely 100% fully-functional...each has some minor drawback or caveat, like BT or 3G or the camera not working right, but usually that's the only issue(s). Also, it's been a couple of days since I checked on those, so they may have come even farther since then. One common drawback to all of them though is the heaaavvvy battery drain...but this is also being addressed as quickly as possible. And yes, in every build the apps and marketplace seem to be working just as they would on any factory android install.
That seems to have become the final frontier for Android on the HD2...the release of a fully stand-alone ROM. Trust me, they are working on that, there's tons of members here drooling and waiting for that exact thing. It requires a completely different method of loading Android into memory, so there's a lot more kinks to work out
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Wow, thank you so much sirphunkee, you sir are a scholar with your detailed response. Anyways, I apologize but I am intrigued by your response and more questions evolve. Once my HD2 comes I assume it will have a older ROM version and a official T-Mobile Update will be available for me. Now, I'm just wondering would I need to worry about what radios I need or will that be taken care of for me.
Also, I'm still a little confused on the whole radio aspect. For example, in this picture located here:
hxxp://support.t-mobile.com/doc/images/tm54430/tm54430_06.gif
The image version is different one is 2.10.531.1 and the other 2.13.531.1. Are these the radio versions or is this like the ROM version. If so how do I find out what my Hd2s radio is? I mean before I flash a rom how do I find out the radio it contains? For example on your HD2, sirphunkee, in your signature, you have:
ROM: 2.10.531.1 (82076) WWE/5.2.21889 (Stock 6.5)
Sense: 2.5.2012
Radio: 2.08.50.08_2
So I assume that you don't have the latest stock ROM right? Also, what does the WWE mean in your ROM version. Would you recommend me updating my HD2 to the latest stock ROM or not?
Also, I read before you flash a phone you need to install HSPL3 on the phone. This is what I'm told is a bootloader. But then Im also told that usually this bootloader is paired with official or leaked roms so that each SPL matches the ROM, so if I need to flash a HSPL3 on my HD2 before I flash a custom ROM do I need to redo it everytime? I mean the HSPL3 is supposedly hard bootloader that survives a hard reset so it won't be wiped from the device until I overwrite it so does that mean I need reflash it everytime I get a new rom so it matches the ROM?
Anyways, sirphunkee, you mention tweaking the stock ROM, would you recommend BSB tweaks or something else because I read about it and users have discovered that they lose some functions after tweaking their phones. Also would I need to install this if I just plan to tweak the original/stock rom?
Furthermore, is Android on the HD2 currently run over/on top of the WM OS so could that be the cause of the heavy battery drain? Also, is the Android OS on the HD2 booted through an exploit in the firmware of the HD2? If so could this be patched? Just a personal opinion of everyone here do you believe that Android on the HD2 that is flashed onto the HD2's NAND itself will be possible/could this final frontier be achieved?
Again I would like to sincerely thank you for everyone's patience with me, especially sirphunkee. Thank you.
No problem!
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Once my HD2 comes I assume it will have a older ROM version and a official T-Mobile Update will be available for me. Now, I'm just wondering would I need to worry about what radios I need or will that be taken care of for me.
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Most of the HD2's built or shipped in the past 2 months have the newer ROM on them, but even if yours doesn't then yes you can just go to the T-Mobile site and get the newer one.
Both of the stock ROM's have the radio(s) included, so you don't have to worry about it if you just stay with one of those ROM's. If you flash a custom ROM it (usually) won't have a radio included, it'll just use whatever radio was already on your phone (i.e. whatever one came with the stock ROM originally). You can flash to different radio versions....ONLY ones that are clearly labeled as being compatible with the US HD2...doesn't matter if you're running a stock or custom ROM, but it does require HSPL first before a radio can be flashed.
Also, I'm still a little confused on the whole radio aspect. For example, in this picture located here:
hxxp://support.t-mobile.com/doc/images/tm54430/tm54430_06.gif
The image version is different one is 2.10.531.1 and the other 2.13.531.1. Are these the radio versions or is this like the ROM version. If so how do I find out what my Hd2s radio is? I mean before I flash a rom how do I find out the radio it contains? For example on your HD2, sirphunkee, in your signature, you have:
ROM: 2.10.531.1 (82076) WWE/5.2.21889 (Stock 6.5)
Sense: 2.5.2012
Radio: 2.08.50.08_2
So I assume that you don't have the latest stock ROM right? Also, what does the WWE mean in your ROM version. Would you recommend me updating my HD2 to the latest stock ROM or not?
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The original stock T-Mobile US ROM (yes, the one I'm running currently) is 2.10.531.1 ("2.10" for short), and the newer one that's been released is 2.13...so that pic you linked there just shows the stock upgrade utility about to upgrade a ROM to the new version (with an included radio).
You can tell what ROM/Radio is on your phone by reading the little text that appears on the bottom of the screen during bootup, and you can also access that info through a settings option once the phone is running.
"WWE" = "WorldWide English"....just means that I have an english-based ROM. Other languages are available by applying ROM's specifically built for that language, but I honestly don't even know if any exist for the T-Mobile HD2, I think they're only available for the euro model.
Since it's very easy to flash the upgraded stock ROM, if your phone comes with the older one I would just suggest running that for a few days and see if it gives you any headaches....if so, then just go ahead and flash to the newer one. There's a number of threads in this section that discuss the differences in the stock ROM's, and the advantages/disadvantages of each. Regardless of which stock ROM you have, the process to flash to a custom ROM is the same either way (HSPL, etc).
Also, I read before you flash a phone you need to install HSPL3 on the phone. This is what I'm told is a bootloader. But then Im also told that usually this bootloader is paired with official or leaked roms so that each SPL matches the ROM, so if I need to flash a HSPL3 on my HD2 before I flash a custom ROM do I need to redo it everytime? I mean the HSPL3 is supposedly hard bootloader that survives a hard reset so it won't be wiped from the device until I overwrite it so does that mean I need reflash it everytime I get a new rom so it matches the ROM?
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HSPL is "permanent", in the sense that it remains on your phone until you manually flash a different HSPL (like flashing back to stock SPL should you need to return the phone for warranty reasons). Once you have HSPL (yes, a hard bootloader) on your phone (HSPL3 being the latest/best to use), you can flash all the different custom ROMs or radios that you want, without having to apply HSPL again.
Anyways, sirphunkee, you mention tweaking the stock ROM, would you recommend BSB tweaks or something else because I read about it and users have discovered that they lose some functions after tweaking their phones. Also would I need to install this if I just plan to tweak the original/stock rom?
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There a bunch of different things you can to to tweak a stock ROM, or to futher tweak a custom one, and BsB is just a nice tight convenient collection of some of the more common ones. I use BsB and don't have any issues related to it, but I also skip a few of the settings in it ("tap time" for example) that have caused issues for other users. Besides BsB, I also use HD2Tweak, JWMD Icon Changer, CHT/CHTE, as well as a whole list of other stand-alone tweaks that come in the form of cab files, or manual registry hacks...some are related to performance or function, while some are strictly visual or style tweaks.
Furthermore, is Android on the HD2 currently run over/on top of the WM OS so could that be the cause of the heavy battery drain? Also, is the Android OS on the HD2 booted through an exploit in the firmware of the HD2? If so could this be patched? Just a personal opinion of everyone here do you believe that Android on the HD2 that is flashed onto the HD2's NAND itself will be possible/could this final frontier be achieved?
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I originially thought the same (that Android ran in parallel with WM and that was causing the batt drain), but from what I read it actually shuts down WM when it runs, so I guess that isn't the cause of the drain...but honestly I haven't been able to keep up with all the finer details of the Android porting that's going on. And yes, a version of Androd that will load straight to NAND at bootup is the final hurdle I was talking about, and that's exactly what a number of dev's are trying very hard to make happen....I suspect that a breakthrough in that is right around the corner, but I'm no dev so take that with a grain of salt!
Hope that helps! It will be a lot easier once you have the unit in-hand and can play with it yourself. Also be sure to look over this thread (if you haven't already): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=663845
Thank you again sirphunkee! Anyways I just got my hd2 and for the most part I like it. Though, I have a question, how can I backup my contacts so that after a new rom install I dont need to relink their facebook accounts again? Basically, I don't have the same names for my contacts, I only have first names so I have to redo it manually one by one and I want to use activesync to do it but it's telling me I need Outlook. Why do I need Outlook? Isn't that a stupid outdated email application? Also, how do you remove all the bloatware like blockbuster from the HD2? Is flashing a custom rom the only option?
Also, I noticed a problem that windows marketplace apps seem to not install. I try to install Skyfire and I see the progress bar and it goes to like 3/4 of the way and never goes past that.
An unrelated question I want to install HSPL3 I have a SPL 2.10.000 on my Stock 2.13 T-Mobile I'm wondering since in the instructions it tells me, that:
*YOU CAN NOW CHOOSE WHICH VERSION OF SPL OR HARDSPL YOU WANT TO FLASH TO YOUR PHONE*
*You can only select between SPL2.08.0000 or 2.08.HSPL. This is to avoid people with 1024LEO's installing an incompatable version and bricking their device*
What exactly am I suppose to pick? A SPL or HSPL? I mean I want to run Android but will this HSPL interfere with my stock ROM? Also, can someone give me like specific instructions on what I need to pick in the installer?
anyone have a idea? I'd like to experiment with android but i wanna make sure i have the right settings to i dontt have a brick in my hands after I'm done.
Poopmonkey said:
Also, I noticed a problem that windows marketplace apps seem to not install. I try to install Skyfire and I see the progress bar and it goes to like 3/4 of the way and never goes past that.
An unrelated question I want to install HSPL3 I have a SPL 2.10.000 on my Stock 2.13 T-Mobile I'm wondering since in the instructions it tells me, that:
*YOU CAN NOW CHOOSE WHICH VERSION OF SPL OR HARDSPL YOU WANT TO FLASH TO YOUR PHONE*
*You can only select between SPL2.08.0000 or 2.08.HSPL. This is to avoid people with 1024LEO's installing an incompatable version and bricking their device*
What exactly am I suppose to pick? A SPL or HSPL? I mean I want to run Android but will this HSPL interfere with my stock ROM? Also, can someone give me like specific instructions on what I need to pick in the installer?
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If you're just going to put android on the phone, you don't need to mess with H/SPL at all...you only need that if you're going to flash to a custom winmo ROM before putting Android on there.
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If you're just going to put android on the phone, you don't need to mess with H/SPL at all...you only need that if you're going to flash to a custom winmo ROM before putting Android on there.
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Thanks for your reply once again sirphunkee, but it says in this thread that I need HSPL3 to get android to run stably.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732380
Also, don't you need HSPL3 to flash a custom ROM in the first place as described here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653614
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Thanks for your reply once again sirphunkee, but it says in this thread that I need HSPL3 to get android to run stably.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732380
Also, don't you need HSPL3 to flash a custom ROM in the first place as described here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653614
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I think what that thread is saying is that having a custom ROM is what helps with the stability of Android, not just putting HSPL3 on there (unless that's buried in that thread somewhere that I missed...). But yes, putting a custom ROM on the phone would have the prerequisite of HSPL anyway.
I don't have a custom ROM or even HSPL on my HD2, and I'm currently using the Desire v5 build of Android on here. It seems to run very stable, but I haven't yet gotten a few things working on it (i.e. 3G)...I can't say if a custom ROM would make those things work, but I can say it doesn't ever crash or hang or seem to slow down at all.
I just wanted you to know that HSPL wasn't mandatory for you to be able to try out Android on your phone.
Ok thank you so much sirphunkee again. Anyways, I'm wondering if you know why my weather will not update now when I ask it to on a Wifi connection. I try to update it and just says that its a connection error. And also my windows marketplace app installs seem to stall on the 3/4 complete and they never finish. Could you perhaps help me with that?
Lastly, I was wondering would you be able to tell me if I wanted to put a custom ROM on my HD2 what setting do I need to put on my HD2 for a successful flash?
FIND THE "ANDROID ON HD2" THREAD everything is explained.