I've had Android since it was released - first on a G1, and currently on my Droid. I've grown to love stock, vanilla Android. The EVO seems to be everything I want in a phone, but unfortunately, it also has SenseUI. And on top of that, from what I've seen, it's also going to come with some Sprint bloatware (i.e., Nascar app, NFL app, Sprint TV, etc.). These things have me very hesitant to get an EVO. I was wondering if there are any other hardcore Android users out there now who share my feelings, and I'm wondering what your plans may be. I guess I can cross my fingers and hope for a custom stock ROM to be released, but I don't really want to buy a phone, pay an ETF with Verizon, and take a chance on Sprint's coverage when I'm not even sure if this will be an option any time soon.
I will just throw this out there:
This phone has plenty of memory to handle the few bloatware apps (I have 265MB free with almost all of my apps from my Hero installed), and it is fast enough to handle Sense with ease. No. Lag. Calm your mind, grasshopper.
Oh, and even with Sense UI, you can disable the home launcher and use launcher2 if you MUST have that vanilla home.
Thanks for the input. I take it that you've used Sense before? It's nice to have the option to turn off Sense on the home screen, but what about native applications like Gmail, SMS, and the browser? Does Sense use the "stock" versions of these apps, or are you stuck with their own versions?
nyijedi said:
Thanks for the input. I take it that you've used Sense before? It's nice to have the option to turn off Sense on the home screen, but what about native applications like Gmail, SMS, and the browser? Does Sense use the "stock" versions of these apps, or are you stuck with their own versions?
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I used Sense on the Hero, and I have the EVO now. I've only used an AOSP ROM for about 2 weeks on the Hero before 2.1 was working, so that's all the experience I've got there. I think HTC has their own messaging apps, but AFAIK, Gmail and the browser are the same (though I may be wrong, so one of you guys feel free to correct me). I also never really use the stock apps other than Gmail (I use Handcent and Dolphin Browser HD).
Stock's browser WAS different, sense added mutltitouch pinch to zoom before it was the standard. They might be the same now, they might still be different. Apps I know are different are messaging, contacts, dialer, camera, clock, calculator, gallery, and I think that's it. We'll be stuck with it until an AOSP rom comes out.
I agree, I hate sense UI and would love vanilla AOSP on the Evo. I am using the stock launcher but beyond that, all the sense apps are still there. If you simply won't be happy without the vanilla experience then I personally recommend against the Evo until we have a solid custom AOSP rom which could take a long time.
Regarding unwanted apps, I think those will be pretty easy to remove as soon as we get root access
Why do you guys get your panties in such a wad over non-AOSP apps? Your messaging app doesn't look the same as AOSP? OH NOES! Deal-breaker fo' sho'!
Is it really worth missing out on an awesmome phone because you don't like the appearance of a couple stock apps?
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Why do you guys get your panties in such a wad over non-AOSP apps? Your messaging app doesn't look the same as AOSP? OH NOES! Deal-breaker fo' sho'!
Is it really worth missing out on an awesmome phone because you don't like the appearance of a couple stock apps?
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Co-sign, People ask for to much and never happy.
If you hate sense that much then dont buy the evo. and wait for it to get a custom AOSP rom, or 2.2. then go find a store that has a evo(which would be hard to find since by time someone makes a rom all the stores would be sold out with no pre-order)
TheBiles said:
Why do you guys get your panties in such a wad over non-AOSP apps? Your messaging app doesn't look the same as AOSP? OH NOES! Deal-breaker fo' sho'!
Is it really worth missing out on an awesmome phone because you don't like the appearance of a couple stock apps?
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Co-sign, People ask for to much and never happy.
If you hate sense that much then dont buy the evo. and wait for it to get a custom AOSP rom, or 2.2. then go find a store that has a evo(which would be hard to find since by time someone makes a rom all the stores would be sold out with no pre-order)
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Finally I've found weird people like me that will get the EVO regardless of the stock appls and all that crap. The point is that we always gonna have black and white, good and bad, pretty and ugly, that's why we have this forum, so many phone companies and so many opinions about a single subject, a word of advice, if you don't like it, then don't eat it, as simple as that.
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Finally I've found weird people like me that will get the EVO regardless of the stock appls and all that crap. The point is that we always gonna have black and white, good and bad, pretty and ugly, that's why we have this forum, so many phone companies and so many opinions about a single subject, a word of advice, if you don't like it, then don't eat it, as simple as that.
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Completely agree, me personally, i've never owned an android device, but i've used many throughout the past few years(almost all), and i really grew to love stock android myself, used to HATE sense UI and was going to ignore the **** out of this phone until a stock version came out. But, I gave it a chance, i looked in to it and tried it, and i've grown to like sense ui. Even when i didn't though, i pushed all my hate aside and saw what was an amazing device, sense ui doesn't really change a whole **** ton besides, mostly, aesthetics... There are a few functions added but honestly, it isn't like it totally changed android in to something completely different.
For me: Sense adds Facebook sync. AOSP adds nothing close to that.
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Is it really worth missing out on an awesmome phone because you don't like the appearance of a couple stock apps?
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That's the question I'm asking myself. I don't know if it's worth it. I'm leaning towards getting the phone despite Sense....
mikevillarroel said:
The point is that we always gonna have black and white, good and bad, pretty and ugly, that's why we have this forum, so many phone companies and so many opinions about a single subject, a word of advice, if you don't like it, then don't eat it, as simple as that.
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Except it's not as simple as that when you're like me and you absolutely LOVE the hardware of the EVO, but are less than enthused about Sense. In no way am I bashing the phone or people who like Sense. I'm just not sure whether I'll be happy with the tradeoff.
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For me: Sense adds Facebook sync. AOSP adds nothing close to that.
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What kind of facebook sync does Sense add that isn't in the AOSP? The AOSP has synced facebook friends with their profiles on your phone since Android 2.0.1 on the Droid, unless Sense does something extra that I'm not aware of.
nyijedi said:
What kind of facebook sync does Sense add that isn't in the AOSP? The AOSP has synced facebook friends with their profiles on your phone since Android 2.0.1 on the Droid, unless Sense does something extra that I'm not aware of.
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I wasn't aware that Android 2.0+ synced contacts. Like I said, I had only used AOSP 1.6, and my biggest complaint was lack of Facebook sync.
I love my Evo, don't get me wrong, but the OP specifically asked about AOSP on this device. Having used HTC Sense on Android a bunch, then AOSP on Android, I personally greatly prefer the latter. Also the AOSP apps are hands down faster than the Sense apps. However Sense apps on the Evo are way faster than AOSP apps on the Hero, so it's still a winner for me. Now, AOSP apps on the Evo would be ridiculously fast! Here's hoping
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I wasn't aware that Android 2.0+ synced contacts. Like I said, I had only used AOSP 1.6, and my biggest complaint was lack of Facebook sync.
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if your on 2.0+ AOSP, facebook syncs via the facebook app that you download via market. (correct me if im wrong people)
on 2.0+ with sense you get HTC own facebook sync. which i think is better then the AOSP one.
Ok. Here's my 2 cents. I have been with Android from the beginning. Actually I started on the Dream with Android 1.1 but still. I remember the first Sapphire build to the first Sense build ever flashed on our devices from haykuro. I have seen it all. In my personal opinion Sense is unnecessarily taking too much memory. I just come from the Cyanogen camp where speed is everything. That said, Sense runs great on the Evo. It's bearable, unlike with the Hero. That said I will still take AOSP over Sense any day.
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Hi,
This is my first post here. I got my htc hero a couple days ago and I've spent most of that time tinkering with it. I'm generally loving it, although I prefer the original android home screen to htc's custom interface. I've noticed that some things like the phonebook are quite laggy, and am under the impression that android's stock phonebook would feel much snappier.
So I would like to install a stock cupcake or donut android to my phone. The thing is, I'm really new to this so I'm not even sure if it's possible. Can it be done? Has any of you guys done it? Even if I succeed, will I be able to use my phone to call and send messages, or will I need to do extra stuff? Can I backup everything in my phone, so that I'll be able to revert it if I break something or I decide that no, the sense ui was better after all?
You see that's a lot of questions, I really hope you guys can give me a hand with this.
Cheers!
After reading some other threads, I think I have some of my questions answered. But do you guys know if any of the stock android builds works with the hero? Can I install anything to it, apart from the system that came with the phone?
you can only install Hero builds on your phone! currently there are none as the phone just came out. So just be patient. If you think the UI is too laggy.. clear default home screen and use regular launcher..
The HTC touchflo stuff works on top of android so If you REALLY wanted to revert back to basic android then i guess you could after rooting and installing a basic android ROM. WARNING though, i dont think that has been done yet. reasons in include
WHY WHY WHY?
Hero has exchange support, basic flash support.
barryallott said:
The HTC touchflo stuff works on top of android so If you REALLY wanted to revert back to basic android then i guess you could after rooting and installing a basic android ROM.
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Well minogue seems to think otherwise... has anyone tried actually?
Anyway, if I use nandroid to backup my system I shouldn't risk anything right?
I think I'll just wait but, can you point me to a basic android Rom? I've seen there are lots of them and I would't know which one to pick.
I written this with the phone, by the way. Awesome keyboard
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Well minogue seems to think otherwise... has anyone tried actually?
Anyway, if I use nandroid to backup my system I shouldn't risk anything right?
I think I'll just wait but, can you point me to a basic android Rom? I've seen there are lots of them and I would't know which one to pick.
I written this with the phone, by the way. Awesome keyboard
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And you would lose this 'awesome' keyboard!
Just turn off SenseUI. The rest of Android runs underneath.
Where are the default Calendar and Contact apps ?
I'm in exactly the same boat as frandavid100. I love the Hero's hardware, but most of SenseUI is too flashy; I don't care about most of the improvements (seven home screens, irritating widgets, lots of Facebook/Twitter/Flickr integration, exchange support) and I'd say some of them are worse than the alternative (the calendar doesn't show as much information in the month view; Flash in the browser just makes websites much, much slower and doesn't work for video).
On the other hand, apparently 1.5 is much faster, and 2.0 (on release) will have multitouch in Google Maps as well as in the browser, so I'd like to get running the stock Android operating system.
I don't know anything about cooking ROMs, though, so I'll wait for a kind benefactor. Hopefully it's not just frandavid100 and I who want a faster version of Android...
Glad to see I'm not alone.
Anyway, is there a way to test the stock android keyboard and phonebook? I kinda dig htc's keyboard, with its compact qwerty layout, but I hate the phonebook and I haven't found a decent alternative in the market.
+1
Beeing used to G1 I would also prefer simple UI .. not that Sense is bad
but I prefer simple that sexy UI Then we could benefit of full hero
power on cupcake or donut ...
phcollignon said:
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Beeing used to G1 I would also prefer simple UI .. not that Sense is bad
but I prefer simple that sexy UI Then we could benefit of full hero
power on cupcake or donut ...
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You already effectively have Cupcake on the Hero - firmware version is V1.5, which is a Cupcake build. If you just drop Sense UI, your back to almost a vanilla G1 build, which the exception you have HTC keyboards and apps as opposed to Google ones. Given that the hardware in the Hero is pretty similar to the Magic (at least those with 288mb RAM), there isn't exactly any additional "power" to harness either!
With respect to Donut, as far as I'm aware there are *no* operational Donut ROMs available for the G1, Magic, or Hero as yet.
Regards,
Dave
I do also prefer the clean fast Android interface over HTC's one, I know how to make the default home screen to be the Android one but touchflo keeps running in the backgroupd eating more than 30MB RAM and wondering if it is safe to uninstall this package and probably others too. In brief, disable the sense UI. It is maybe nice but at this point is slow compared to the Android interface
yeh, i would like to remove the touchflo altogether as it keeps running in the background even though i use the default home screen. Or at least have some sort of of startup manager to stop things running at boot.
must be out soon, there is some leaked screenshots here including the widget.
http://androidguys.com/?p=6260
OK - so the Her is already running Cupcake, but with SenseUI on top, and while you can disable some parts of SenseUI from running, you can't actually get rid of them.
In that case I think I'll wait and see what happens around Donut. If HTC release an updated Hero ROM, I'll go with that, and if they don't, I can wait for a generous ROM chef to bake a nice, basic Donut ROM for the Hero. Thanks for everyone's help.
You'll need to root your phone to do it:
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...if-you-wanted-to-get-rid-of-rosie-completely/
Me tooo
I would love to be able to 'downgrade' my Hero to the stock android.
At the very least, I'd love an easy way to install the stock android applications on top of the HTC ones, and hopefully uninstall the ones I don't use so as to save some application space.
I'm a little confused.
I have been experimenting with different ROM's for my 32A device, all based on the official HTC Sense release for Magic.
I have tried:
CaSense 1.0
MyHero 2.0.4
HoFo 3.0.5
I've been a long time MyHero user, and i have been very pleased with both performance and functionality. Switched to CaSense to try something new. It works very well too. Since I already wiped, I downloaded the third 32a ROM, this time the Official HoFo Community ROM.
Now I'm lost. In my opinion there are very few differences between the three. Which one should I choose?
I would probably get different answers from the different followers.
Does anybody know advantages/disadvantages of the different ROM's?
Is there an updated comparison chart of the different ROM's exist? (I know there is a 32B comparison chart, but not for 32A, and I don't know if any of there are updated, or even possible to keep updated due to the rapid development of new versions...)
Why are there so many similar ROM's available?
It seems that most (all) developers are working together to find solutions to issues, and most ROM's have the same functionality and faults in them. So why do we have so many options?
I would also like some input on this subject also
Hello all,
I've been lurking on the forum for a while now, and my 32A magic should be on its way now...
Information about different flavours of cooked roms for magic with Sense seems scarse so, to me, if anyone who knows better the differences between them and wants to share, I'd be more than happy to know =)
Cheers,
--to
Yep, I would like to know too!
The wiki for the Magic only list the firmwares. Would be nice to actually have some info on the benefits of the different types.
hello all
I have tried these ROMs except hofo
I think Casense1.0 is better than myhero2.04
but now i'm using CyannogenMod-4.2.2,it's much stabler than all option
you give.
I'm from China .my English is poor. sorry
I'm currently on CaSense 1.1 and find it very stable.
I also tried Magic GyD 2.0.3 and it is also good.
The HoFo ROM only had English and Chinese language installed, and I would like a ROM that supports Norwegian keyboard. So this is not for me.
I will give CyanogenMod 4.2.3.1 a try too, but I am still confused
Most of the ROMs are very similar, and I can not understand what differences excists that can justify all the different versions.
Are the ROM's just personal adjustments made to the developers liking, or do they include something unique?
I am using HoFo and I love it. It is extremly stable with little to no bugs and Hotweiss is very fast fixing any issues.
Using myHero after trying most of the other roms, reglasses seems to do a nice job on his cooks. But i have to admit i didn't care to give CaSense much of a chance cause it seemed like he put something together way to fast with to many issues just to be the first one releasing a rom based on the official TW magic rom with sense UI. Where i appreciate the developer taking his time to do some nice cooking and serve the good and more stable release.
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Most of the ROMs are very similar, and I can not understand what differences excists that can justify all the different versions.
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From your signature, you have a CaSense 1.1 which you modified yourself. Why did you do it yourself? If you can answer that, then you have the answer to your question above.
Alright, I've sworn by hotweiss' HoFo ROMs for a long while, simply because it was just modified stock and he had the same device and provider as me. It's currently undergoing teething issues with the Sense UI. I would also like to know about the differences between all the Sense UI ROMs - I just don't have the time to load each one and tinker with it long enough to find their individual perks.
Judging by your post, I believe you want the nice flashy Sense UI. Keep in mind that Sense UI does significantly slow your phone down - WAY down. I installed Cyanogen's ROM the other day just to compare the difference. If you can live without flashy UI, go with Cyanogen. It's much faster and snappier, and really, the installation is pretty much a breeze anyways.
Advantages of Sense UI is that it looks pretty. That's pretty much it. Most of it's functionality can be found from other apps on the Market. You got a ****load of Twitter apps, Facebook app for the widget, SyncMyPix to get contact photos, etc etc. That said, I'm sort of addicted to the Sense UI interface right now myself. Oh, one more thing - Sense UI doesn't allow other apps to control the brightness (I believe it's an issue affecting all Sense UI ROMs). It's a pain in the ass, since I used to have my brightness auto adjust based on location and time. If that's something you want...go Cyanogen.
Oh, Cyanogen also has OTA updates. Hotweiss also posts up the link on Twitter. I do not know about the other ROMs though. This means that if you have a nice data plan, you can update your phone anywhere.
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Alright, I've sworn by hotweiss' HoFo ROMs for a long while, simply because it was just modified stock and he had the same device and provider as me. It's currently undergoing teething issues with the Sense UI. I would also like to know about the differences between all the Sense UI ROMs - I just don't have the time to load each one and tinker with it long enough to find their individual perks.
Judging by your post, I believe you want the nice flashy Sense UI. Keep in mind that Sense UI does significantly slow your phone down - WAY down. I installed Cyanogen's ROM the other day just to compare the difference. If you can live without flashy UI, go with Cyanogen. It's much faster and snappier, and really, the installation is pretty much a breeze anyways.
Advantages of Sense UI is that it looks pretty. That's pretty much it. Most of it's functionality can be found from other apps on the Market. You got a ****load of Twitter apps, Facebook app for the widget, SyncMyPix to get contact photos, etc etc. That said, I'm sort of addicted to the Sense UI interface right now myself. Oh, one more thing - Sense UI doesn't allow other apps to control the brightness (I believe it's an issue affecting all Sense UI ROMs). It's a pain in the ass, since I used to have my brightness auto adjust based on location and time. If that's something you want...go Cyanogen.
Oh, Cyanogen also has OTA updates. Hotweiss also posts up the link on Twitter. I do not know about the other ROMs though. This means that if you have a nice data plan, you can update your phone anywhere.
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Abso-freaken-lutely. That bugs the hell out of me.
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From your signature, you have a CaSense 1.1 which you modified yourself. Why did you do it yourself? If you can answer that, then you have the answer to your question above.
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The modification consists of removing some applications I don't use (Twitter, Plurk, etc) and adding my own ringtones and wallpaper/lockscreen.
I would probably do this to any ROM I choose.
My point is, that it seems irrelevant which ROM I choose, they are basically the same, providing identical features, speed and functionality.
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Alright, I've sworn by hotweiss' HoFo ROMs for a long while, simply because it was just modified stock and he had the same device and provider as me. It's currently undergoing teething issues with the Sense UI. I would also like to know about the differences between all the Sense UI ROMs - I just don't have the time to load each one and tinker with it long enough to find their individual perks.
Judging by your post, I believe you want the nice flashy Sense UI. Keep in mind that Sense UI does significantly slow your phone down - WAY down. I installed Cyanogen's ROM the other day just to compare the difference. If you can live without flashy UI, go with Cyanogen. It's much faster and snappier, and really, the installation is pretty much a breeze anyways.
Advantages of Sense UI is that it looks pretty. That's pretty much it. Most of it's functionality can be found from other apps on the Market. You got a ****load of Twitter apps, Facebook app for the widget, SyncMyPix to get contact photos, etc etc. That said, I'm sort of addicted to the Sense UI interface right now myself. Oh, one more thing - Sense UI doesn't allow other apps to control the brightness (I believe it's an issue affecting all Sense UI ROMs). It's a pain in the ass, since I used to have my brightness auto adjust based on location and time. If that's something you want...go Cyanogen.
Oh, Cyanogen also has OTA updates. Hotweiss also posts up the link on Twitter. I do not know about the other ROMs though. This means that if you have a nice data plan, you can update your phone anywhere.
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I am very fond of the Sense UI. If I wasn't, I would give Cyanogen a try.
I don't use Twitter, Facebook or Plurk, and I usually remove the applications from the ROM.
And I have always thought the UI was snappy enough for me, so speed is not an issue.
I do not require a frequently updated ROM, but it is nice if issues are fixed as soon as possible. But since many (all) Hero ROM's have the same issues, I just thought the community would benefit from a joint effort of the developers to fix those, instead of the minor tweaking jobs they do now.
(No disrespect to the developers intended. I really appreciate the effort. I just want you to go in a different direction )
Come on Ginger http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/20/google_android_oem/
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Come on Ginger http://forum.xda-developers.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=557
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whats with the link for a new thread????
I think you pasted the wrong link there...
Oh my gosh! That's interesting!
somehow..
Link Fail >.>
cheddie said:
whats with the link for a new thread????
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/20/google_android_oem/
Nice find. personaly i think that the sensui makes the phone slower. But can't wait to see gingerbread
I dont think its really going to change much..its just going to make the decision for getting a custom UI more difficult since google is improving androids stock UI. Also, from what I've read they should be doing updates through the market after gingerbread so wouldnt that make it easier for the custom UI'ed phones to stay updated?
I read that article this morning and it just annoyed me. First of all, Google aren't going to stop manufacturers applying their own skins, I can still see HTC using sense and maybe motoblur/TouchWiz (eurghh) but there's still going to be a hell of a lot of phones/devices out there running stock UI that will benefit from this, including us Nexus users...
Secondly the author shows a lack of knowledge in saying that Microsoft couldn't do this because of Sense on Mobile 6.5 - are they aware that Windows Phone 7 is not allowed to be skinned?
Hopefully part of this UI refresh will focus on making Android work on tablet sized devices, as stock looks a bit odd on such large screens.
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I read that article this morning and it just annoyed me. First of all, Google aren't going to stop manufacturers applying their own skins, I can still see HTC using sense and maybe motoblur/TouchWiz (eurghh) but there's still going to be a hell of a lot of phones/devices out there running stock UI that will benefit from this, including us Nexus users...
Secondly the author shows a lack of knowledge in saying that Microsoft couldn't do this because of Sense on Mobile 6.5 - are they aware that Windows Phone 7 is not allowed to be skinned?
Hopefully part of this UI refresh will focus on making Android work on tablet sized devices, as stock looks a bit odd on such large screens.
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I agree, looks like the author is more interested in making a bigger deal out of this that it really is. He is really stretching it too trying to compare Apple and their closed system vs Google improving their UI to make make it more user friendly
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I stopped reading when the author stated that Google was trying to maintain "Apple-style control" over the user interface. That's nonsense.
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I stopped reading when the author stated that Google was trying to maintain "Apple-style control" over the user interface. That's nonsense.
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no pun intended?
I stopped reading that crap when the article said "programmers risk being 'Motoblur' programmers or 'Sense' programmers. I'm pretty sure if he had any knowledge of the Android OS, he'd know its all ANDROID!!! What the **** is wrong with these iPhone fanboys
It's ridiculous how easily things are misenterpreted and misreported.
What was actually said:
"We're gonna focus on making gingerbread pretty and cohesive"
How it was taken:
"We're gonna actively prevent mfgs from adding their own UI's, we're gonna lock down android, and we're gonna start stealing babies"
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it's ridiculous how easily things are misenterpreted and misreported.
What was actually said:
"we're gonna focus on making gingerbread pretty and cohesive"
how it was taken:
"we're gonna actively prevent mfgs from adding their own ui's, we're gonna lock down android, and we're gonna start stealing babies"
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FOUR HUNDRED BABIES. WE WILL STEAL FOUR HUNDRED BABIES.
minus a few widgets, a pretty wallpaper, and a different launcher.... sense is (and all other blur's and wiz's) basically the same as the "vanilla" android experience... isnt it?
Dont see how this is going to change much. Except for making android more pretty... which sounds good to me!
Sense runs pretty deep.
i must be one of the only one's who dont get all the complaining about the android UI is inconsistent and not cohesive etc. i just dont see that. for example, no matter what app you go into the settings screen looks identical all the time. a long black list with checkbox options for on and off. how is that inconsistent?
Android UI really does need a refresh. Just all the grey boxes, lack of nice gradients, neon greens and bad shapes and no transparency or reflections or anything to make it look 'shiny' really make the platform appear dated. Sense has a go at fixing these things but it only does a good job on the surface and they are still all there as soon as you open something not built for sense. I'm hoping Gingerbread fixes all this!
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Exactly. That's what Google is trying to stop, these deep reaching UI and OS overhauls. Motoblur, the AT&T Backflip aside, isn't as invasive and therefore doesn't have the same problem. How many apps don't work because of Sense? 5-10% of my apps (aside from Launcher Pro) have some kind of warning against sense issues.
I don't think this will extend to launchers, as those are fairly easy to swap out, and the article stated that wasn't the point. I hope this means we'll actually get some official skinning support, so we don't have to deal with stuff like flashing themes or metamorph. Make it easy, make it modular, make it open. Isn't that the open source goal?
I hate sense UI I love the vanilla look, lockscreen, dialer, etc. Htc has already disabled google launcher with update, so now i fear our froyo will be waterd down in with htc sense. What do you guys think. If its true bye bye evo.
watered down my @ss HTC sense is a much better looking functioning version of the android ui although I can sympathize with people liking stock everything.
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I hate sense UI I love the vanilla look, lockscreen, dialer, etc. Htc has already disabled google launcher with update, so now i fear our froyo will be waterd down in with htc sense. What do you guys think. If its true bye bye evo.
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Of course HTC will include Froyo with Sense, it's HTC, what do you expect? However, there's an easy solution -- just set the Vanilla UI as your default and not Sense.
And just because the Evo will have a Froyo with Sense, you plan on saying good bye to your phone?? Have you seen what the devs and themers here can create? Not to mention, its extremely easy to rip out Sense if you want to, there are tons of people like you that don't care for Sense, there will definitely be a Senseless Froyo when it comes out.
I quite frankly think Sense is great (highly customizable), the Vanilla Android isn't anything special -- thus the reason why Google plans on making drastic changes too it in the future Gingerbread update.
Cant even set vanilla as default now with recent ota
iceman99393 said:
I hate sense UI I love the vanilla look, lockscreen, dialer, etc. Htc has already disabled google launcher with update, so now i fear our froyo will be waterd down in with htc sense. What do you guys think. If its true bye bye evo.
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I hear that palm treo is nice. You should get rid of your evo and go get one of those babys! VANILLA to the max!!!
If you dont like sense then get a different phone or root and change it to whatever you want. hell make your own theme. Complaining about sense would be the same as buying a car and complaining that it was red. Sure you could change it to blue if you REALLY wanted but you didnt think about what you wanted when you got it so now you would rather complain.
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Of course HTC will include Froyo with Sense, it's HTC, what do you expect? However, there's an easy solution -- just set the Vanilla UI as your default and not Sense..
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I think the OP's point was that with the latest update, they removed the option to do what you're saying, you can no longer go to stock Android and are forced to use Sense.
It'll suck for those that don't want to root their phone. For everyone else, I'm sure we'll be able to disable sense if we wish. Just another reason in a long list to root our phones.
If you don't want to root and you don't like sense, then I guess your only real option for a vanilla android phone will be a nexus one, or maybe a Droid if you can disable their UI's as well.
Sirchuk said:
I think the OP's point was that with the latest update, they removed the option to do what you're saying, you can no longer go to stock Android and are forced to use Sense.
It'll suck for those that don't want to root their phone. For everyone else, I'm sure we'll be able to disable sense if we wish. Just another reason in a long list to root our phones.
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Yea, I tested the the method and well it seems the new update did take away vanilla option. But... I'm sure someone will find away around it or you can always find a ROM without Sense.
Use launcherpro. It does what the stock launcher does only better.
Is this possible?
As of right now I think the development are worrying about getting a recovery on our phones and we need the recovery to flash roms unless there's another way...
Not only that but sense is a cpu hog. Such a horrible UI.
CM6 is all I care about getting on here. FB/Twitter integration all exists in 2.1, Sense adds little other than pretty looking widgets.
Isn't cm6 2.2??
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robavila721 said:
Isn't cm6 2.2??
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Yes, I was just referring to the fact that we havent needed Sense UI for anything but pretty widgets since Android SDK 2.1
Why would you want Sense over TouchWiz? If you we're looking for pretty there are lots of HTC Sense packing HTC phones on the market. The myTouch Slide is kind of running an ugly version of Sense but it still is Sense.
One more thing to consider, also. You won't find any reputable developer such as Cyanogen putting sense in their roms because of legality issues. So, if you do happen to come across a rom for this phone running sense, chances are its going to be pretty bunk.
Sense has some very appealing factors, such as the hibernate support and of course, the cosmetics of it
In addition, the new version of HTC sense is supposed to have a lot of optimizations meaning it will be faster than before.
At the very least, is it possible for a dev to port the algorithms used for hibernate to the Vibrant?
Use this. its not sense but its a launcher close to it. has 3d drawer and everything.
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One more thing to consider, also. You won't find any reputable developer such as Cyanogen putting sense in their roms because of legality issues. So, if you do happen to come across a rom for this phone running sense, chances are its going to be pretty bunk.
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but there are many more reputable developers then CM
kingkurry said:
Is this possible?
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Possible? perhaps...
Desireable? perhaps not...
Likely? Given the legal issues involved? not very...
I am also interested in this.. But to be honest if it where to happen, it won't happen until the developers get the source code for 2.2 and haber time to play with it.
So, if we are lucky and someone does decide to work on this.. knowing the possible legal issues. It would take a few weeks (after official 2.2) to get it done.
But I have no doubt in my mind that it would work in our phones.
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KingKlik(sp?) made a lot of sense roms for the MT3G and a lot of people seemed to like them. I just think Sense looks terrible, compared to any UI on any new age smartphone I have seen(except maybe Windows Mobile). I'm mainly talking about the launcher tough, the part that people for some reason like to throw on their phone even if they don't have sense.