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This is probably in the right forum, but if I had posted in Android development it would get a lot of views and the propper people would find out about, so I'm posting in this forum so it will rot to death and nobody will see it.
If you've been following the Hero Android forum, you probably already know about the newest hero dump, 2.73.405.61. It's a WWE rom, though that doesn't matter because you can control the region of the rom through build.prop and the xmls in customize (I was finally able to figure out how they all work, so I deleted all but 4 and still have all the stocks, scenes, weather locations, footprints, and everything else you'd expect from a regular shipping HTC build), and I ported it to dream the simplest way; gave it a dream boot.img (I used enomther's because of how clean and elegant it is and for his modules and netfilter support), init script to load all necessary runtime scripts, and adding a few hardware modules and libs to make the build work on the dream. I didn't work on lights because I don't know yet how to do it (I am more interested on learning HOW to do it rather than use something somebody else already made), and for some reason, though audio work, mp3 playback was not working, but anyway, on to the purpose of this thread: That build is fast, it's ungodly fast, even at a 384 cpu clock and 48 MB compcache (no linux swap) it's faster than the sense dump build out there.
I just wanted to inform you guys so you could work on that one instead, you'll notice the speed difference right away. I would work on it, but honestly, I have limited interest in another hero build (I just port them to see if they get any faster), and because I'm waiting for eclair.
If you guys want, I can upload the build I have working so you could work a bit more on it.
Runs Android 1.6
Uses the HTC Framework (HTC Mail + Exchange Sync)
Has everything working (camera, bluetooth, wifi, etc)
Is Fast
Can anyone help me out? Particularly point 1 combined with point 2 are hard to find. But maybe I'm just missing it as a lot of ROM posters leave out this vital piece of information (how can you post a rom and not mention what version of Android it runs?).
Try this one. 32a only.
It's a bit laggy and unpolished though:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534415
HoFo doesn't run on Donut either... HTC did release a 1.6 with SenseUI for it's Tattoo device but as it had a smaller screen it could never be ported without display problems, AFAIK.
The "vital piece of information" isn't always specified because devs may assume that people know that the official SenseUI is running on Cupcake. They mention the HTC base build most of the time, though.
Unfortunately, I think that what you're looking for doesn't exist and never will... Now if only we could get a camera driver working on 2.0 soon
Hi,
I have an old WM2003SE Navigator (Typhoon MyGuide 6500XL) lying around, it's not in the Device DB but the MyGuide 3500XL is. It looks identical, has the same specs and the same Intel PXA255 processor as mine.
There is almost no software for 2003 left and after getting used to my HTC Touch2 (Mega) the touch experience is awful.
I was wondering if it was possible to upgrade this nearly-no-brand ancient PDA/GPS to a newer Windows Mobile ROM. All I have is the device, so I guess I can dump the old ROM from that.
I know most of you are thinking 'throw it a way and buy something decent' but at the time (my dad) bought it it had the price of an iPhone now :/ It seems so stupid to throw it away...
I'm a real noob at ROM Cooking and I don't even know if this is possible at all, but if it is, could someone please help me?
Thank you in advance,
MrJSO
I doubt you'll be able to do it, but search around and see if there are any rom upgrades out there from the oem; that would be the best place to start. And search and see if there are any custom roms or kitchens (I doubt it).
I have an asus mypal a716. I've looked around for custom roms for it, and basically all you find are the random post from someone looking for a custom rom for it, lol. Asus pretty much stopped supporting it the second they released it, so there aren't any official roms out there. I've tried dumping the rom with 0 success, and I've read posts from others who also had 0 success. I tried grab it, and all it dumps is the bootloader. I don't have a clue how to convert one of those dumps into a flashable rom, anyway. The thread is basically full of other posters asking how to create a rom from the dump, with no answers. I think some people know how to do it, but they never respond in that thread, lol. Anyway, grab_it would be the second thing to try, I guess.
The closest thing that exists to a custom rom for the mypal is a linux port (at least as far as I can tell). It's over at handhelds.org. There may be a similar option for you. It requires you to flash a patched bootloader, so you can dual boot winmo or linux of the sd card. I've never done it before.
WM2003 devices are so different from WM5 and later (because of the storage model), that I think the odds of you not bricking your pda with any custom WM5 or later rom are pretty low. A more realistic goal may be to cook 2003SE roms. Anyway, I find that plenty of useful apps work on the mypal. Hell, it's far better for games than my fuze. I use it mostly to stream music over wi-fi (it's hooked up to a small set of speakers).
Edit: LMAO! This thread is the 4th hit on google for "asus mypal a716" "custom rom".
Thank you very much
I just discovered that Typhoon just put the logo on to sell though discounter markets... It's actually the same device as the Mio 168. It seems that there is a lot more feedback from people about that device available...
Still, if you say putting newer WM on it isn't going to work anyways, I guess I should stop my search then?
The problem is that all newer apps don't support wm2003 anymore Also wm2003 is just forcing you to use that stylus - I wish I didn't have to
Also, Am I right that there is really no way to make newer WM run on it by taking drivers from the old ROM and adding them to a default WM5 or higher ROM?
I guess you must forget to have any WM 6.5 in your phone because the specs tell you:
RAM 64 Mb (54 mb accessible)
ROM 32 Mb
Maybe a WM 6.1 or 5.0 but as FT said i doubt that you will find all the tools.
I have a HTC Bali (Fujitsu Pocket Loox 720) and was never able to find ,at least, a method to put a WM 5.0 in it lol.
The problem is that 2003 devices have small rom storage; they use ram for storage, and I'm not sure how you would upgrade them to WM5 or later which have persistant storage (you'd need a native kernel and drivers and all that crap). I'm sure some devices got official upgrades from 2003 to WM5, but I think it would be tough to figure out on your own. You might be able to cook a custom 2003SE rom, though, which would be kind of cool.
Hey guys,
it's my first post here, but I'm still some days here in this board, consuming the contents for my HD2 with apreciation.
HD2 was and still is -hardwaresides- a milestone. When it comes up to the stock OS, there are some major things that I don't get. M*cr*s*fts OS is making this device a cripple, if you ask me. But that's another discussion and even more I was excited when I firstly saw a good friend these days holding me his Leo up the nose with Android embedded.
Now, I'd like to know some things before "flashing" my Leo - if you can say so, as the only thing to do seems to apply some kind of bootloader instaed of cleaning and rewriting the ROM. Which leads me to the
1. Will the installer overwrite the WM6.5 ROM or will it run in a dual-boot system?
2. Will a physical hardreset (volume-buttons) return to the stock-Rom?
3. Which of the local Froyo versions is the most stable with nearly all components working and - if possible - NO skin customizations except SENSE?
Thanks for your help and I hope that Android will bring my Leo to a whole new level.
Prepare yourself for a flaming of a lifetime.
Postaldude said:
Hey guys,
it's my first post here, but I'm still some days here in this board, consuming the contents for my HD2 with apreciation.
HD2 was and still is -hardwaresides- a milestone. When it comes up to the stock OS, there are some major things that I don't get. M*cr*s*fts OS is making this device a cripple, if you ask me. But that's another discussion and even more I was excited when I firstly saw a good friend these days holding me his Leo up the nose with Android embedded.
Now, I'd like to know some things before "flashing" my Leo - if you can say so, as the only thing to do seems to apply some kind of bootloader instaed of cleaning and rewriting the ROM. Which leads me to the
1. Will the installer overwrite the WM6.5 ROM or will it run in a dual-boot system?
2. Will a physical hardreset (volume-buttons) return to the stock-Rom?
3. Which of the local Froyo versions is the most stable with nearly all components working and - if possible - NO skin customizations except SENSE?
Thanks for your help and I hope that Android will bring my Leo to a whole new level.
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First of all, why are you afraid to spell out Microsoft?
Second, Winmo didn't cripple HD2 at all, you have fully function phone.
Now, if you put Android on this phone, this make HD2 a cripple phone.
To answer your questions
1. No, Android will not overwrite the wm 6.5 rom, it need wm to run and it runs from sd card.
2. see #1, it will not alter wm rom, wm will be wm after reboot, you dont need to hardset.
3. This is like... personal preference, you have to try to see which build is for you.
the core here is kernel, if you try this build and you have problem, and you see another the build with the same kernel, it likely not going to fix your problem.
justwonder said:
First of all, why are you afraid to spell out Microsoft?
Second, Winmo didn't cripple HD2 at all, you have fully function phone.
Now, if you put Android on this phone, this make HD2 a cripple phone.
To answer your questions
1. No, Android will not overwrite the wm 6.5 rom, it need wm to run and it runs from sd card.
2. see #1, it will not alter wm rom, wm will be wm after reboot, you dont need to hardset.
3. This is like... personal preference, you have to try to see which build is for you.
the core here is kernel, if you try this build and you have problem, and you see another the build with the same kernel, it likely not going to fix your problem.
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1. Why shouldn't I? There are enough examples, that anonymity is not given in every way these days on the web...
2. No, it did run well. But it
-isn't nearly as smooth as the iPhone-OS or Android
-HTC Sense seems to stuck several times with WM 6.5, which brings me to conclusion that HTC wasn't allowed to create a consequent GUI without corrupting MS license restrictions
-Browsers (Stock Opera, Opera 10, Opera Mini, Skyfire) are really slow
-I got a bunch of crashes even with updated stock ROMs and CF 3.5 installed
-the response between OS and touchscreen is still very laggy which results in the over-sensibility and the so-called ghost-effect, when the screenkeys begin jerking out/ the screen is working commands that had been given more than a minute along
-pinch-to-zoom only seems to be a gimmick clearly running in the SENSE environment and apps based upon it. The WM GUI isn't compatible to it in many ways
- and most important, it still is giving me white knuckles that MS at last decided to make WMP 7 NOT available, needless to say, AFTER several Leos were sold with prediction for WMP 7 being available sooner or later
Sure, you got a working OS for everydays use, but it is as unattractive and as imperformant as it could be the day it came on such a steroidic device like the HD2. MS has epicly failed in giving attention to the mobile phone market, that's for sure. It isn't done with borderless synchonization of Outlook e-mail and contacts - because todays smartphones are capabale of so much more. For something like this, you don't need a 1 GHz Snapdragon, together with 512 MB systemmemory. And after making such hard license restrictions for developers that are in charge to use WMP7, I think this won't ever change.
And sure, you're able to customize this OS as far as you want. But take the usual Jon Doe, excited by HD2-Ads and offended by an OS, that feels and looks like it is 10 years old under the SENSE-surface, with an app-catalogue that's growing slower and slower. And Jon Doe's not the man to deal with custom roms and tweaks.
Now take Android on the other hand. Based on the Linux-Kernel, which is known to give you every possible freedom, together with every possible brick to handle - which you're able to fix by yourself and what makes it attractive mostly for enthusiastics - it's a good blend of functionality ergonomics/ease-of-use. These two words together exclamated each other more or less in the past and this is one of the reasons, why Linux as a desktop-system hasn't become more popular over the years of development. Besides this, linux distributions are the fastest and most stable running OS I ever used on a PC. Now, Android is in charge and able to become as popular as MS is on desktop-systems, because it's working good. Most of the start-up problems that occured on early Droids are eliminated, this phone-OS becomes more and more performant. And it seems to be a lot more flexible than any other phone-OS
Finally, this discussion turned right the way i thought it would end. I'd like to thank you all for your information at first. If you'd like to make further dialogue affecting the goods and bads of WM, please contact me PM.
I have been an old user for WMo but newbie to Android except playing on my wife's vibrant a little bit. I'd like to try Android out on HD2 as WMo is officially dead. Here is some questions (which I searched and couldn't find definitive answers).
1. The Android builds listed in the Leo section, do they ALL work for tmobile HD2 or there actually is a difference between a Tmous HD2 build and a Leo build (like the difference between WM roms for each device)? I vaguely remember reading somewhere that these builds are the same but I really appreciate if someone could confirm that for me.
2. Can you guys recommend an Android build that (1) works with Tmo 3.14 stock rom (2) has sense UI (3) has no battery life issue (4) has the least number of bugs. I don't want to ask an open ended questions like what is the best android build. I actually do have these specific requirements in mind.
The reason I come with so many requirements is I have been using WMo since Tmo wing (2007) and TP2 (2009) and have gotten so used to it that I don't want to give it up. The new 3.14 stock rom only froze on me once when opera mobile cached too many files so it's half way my fault. Even though so many people hate WMo, to me it's just great as it simply works for me as I learned how to work around all the problems.
The requirement for sense is HTC simply perfected the user experience on WMo with the sense addition (also thanks to the capacitive screen that HD2 has). I would like to start with something that I'm familiar with.
Also seems a lot of discussion has been going on that the battery drain is no longer an issue with the current android builds. Is that true for all of them? Or some specific ones that has implemented some sort of fix?
I like to use Android as my daily OS so of course the requirement for least number of bugs.
3. OTA updates. Looks like native Android phone can update themselves when updates are released in the air. Would the HD2 android build be able to do the same? Or do I have to re-install a new build whenever updates come available (like flash a WMo rom)? I know when flashing a WMo rom I have to reinstall all software but when I install a new android build, can I somehow keep all the software I have without reinstall everything?
wearefree said:
I have been an old user for WMo but newbie to Android except playing on my wife's vibrant a little bit. I'd like to try Android out on HD2 as WMo is officially dead. Here is some questions (which I searched and couldn't find definitive answers).
1. The Android builds listed in the Leo section, do they ALL work for tmobile HD2 or there actually is a difference between a Tmous HD2 build and a Leo build (like the difference between WM roms for each device)? I vaguely remember reading somewhere that these builds are the same but I really appreciate if someone could confirm that for me.
2. Can you guys recommend an Android build that (1) works with Tmo 3.14 stock rom (2) has sense UI (3) has no battery life issue (4) has the least number of bugs. I don't want to ask an open ended questions like what is the best android build. I actually do have these specific requirements in mind.
The reason I come with so many requirements is I have been using WMo since Tmo wing (2007) and TP2 (2009) and have gotten so used to it that I don't want to give it up. The new 3.14 stock rom only froze on me once when opera mobile cached too many files so it's half way my fault. Even though so many people hate WMo, to me it's just great as it simply works for me as I learned how to work around all the problems.
The requirement for sense is HTC simply perfected the user experience on WMo with the sense addition (also thanks to the capacitive screen that HD2 has). I would like to start with something that I'm familiar with.
Also seems a lot of discussion has been going on that the battery drain is no longer an issue with the current android builds. Is that true for all of them? Or some specific ones that has implemented some sort of fix?
I like to use Android as my daily OS so of course the requirement for least number of bugs.
3. OTA updates. Looks like native Android phone can update themselves when updates are released in the air. Would the HD2 android build be able to do the same? Or do I have to re-install a new build whenever updates come available (like flash a WMo rom)? I know when flashing a WMo rom I have to reinstall all software but when I install a new android build, can I somehow keep all the software I have without reinstall everything?
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1. They are exactly the same. It is not discriminant between internation and US versions of the HD2. (unless otherwise posted)
2. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=747492
3. You shouldn't do the OTA updates, it'll probably have some unforeseen complications. Just find an updated build.
as far as i know your going to have to switch to a custom rom. the stock 3.14 has robot voice which means it needs the correct audio drivers to work with android. search around there is plenty of barebones roms around(rom that is pretty much the exact same thing as 3.14 only with the correct drivers).
i have tried dozens of android build and have found this one Mdeejay_eVo_Sense_v._2.3Revolution to be the best. it has the best battery life i have found. with stock winmo with avarage use i was running 30% give or take battery life at the end of the day. with this android build im sitting at usually over 50% with the same if not more use.
dennis- said:
as far as i know your going to have to switch to a custom rom. the stock 3.14 has robot voice which means it needs the correct audio drivers to work with android. search around there is plenty of barebones roms around(rom that is pretty much the exact same thing as 3.14 only with the correct drivers).
i have tried dozens of android build and have found this one Mdeejay_eVo_Sense_v._2.3Revolution to be the best. it has the best battery life i have found. with stock winmo with avarage use i was running 30% give or take battery life at the end of the day. with this android build im sitting at usually over 50% with the same if not more use.
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You only need a custom radio to run android properly, stock rom works fine. However there are roms optimized for android that you should look into. Most of them give the same sense experience with much moore fun features and an optimized android experience.
Thanks to all of you for your input. I will have to stick to stock WMo rom as this is my primary OS (at least for now).
I will start with Mdeejay_eVo_Sense_v._2.3Revolution to get a feeling how android works on a daily basis (playing for a few seconds every time doesn't really count), then decide whether I can use android as primary OS.
All my contacts, emails and calendars are synced with Google (so if Google decides to spy on me they know exactly what to do, haha) so the migration should be relatively smooth when I decide to switch.
New question: the android build worked fine for the first time but I can never go back in there. Now it just hands on the HTC screen indefinitely...
Any advice?
Finally figured out what went wrong. I re-formatted the stock SD card, copied the android folder in there first before I copied everything else back, and use the android loader. Now it's all good, except loading android can be a very long process... due to the stock slow sd card. But at least it works every time now.