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Hmm, Should I wait or upgrade now?

Regarding Windows 6.1
Should I just install it now? Or wait til NSPSD4 releases his ROM?

You could install now, the phone is usable and there are just a few adjustments to make it 99%
But if you're not in the mood to do that (reg edits, cabs and files) just wait to the final version. I believe it's worth.

Don't wait. It is faster at booting & some bloat has already been removed. The network wizard cab was a necessity post install for me.

very worth it imo... if you have the default neo tmo rom on there it bogs it down quite a bit... with the clean dev you have more storage space, more ram available due to using less system resources and overall a bettery experience, and its noticeable...
all the fixes for problems have been posted, and theres some goodies that still work fine from freddyreyes.com

I thought that a 4.2 version was in the works that would include all the reg fixes, patches, and programs.
if not can someone create a step by step sheet that simplifies what all the other threads on 3 different sites have come up with? I use my phone for every day stuff, and I cannot be messing with it over 5 days sorting through the mess of posts that I saw. I'm sure I am not the only one that wants this, and or benifit from a condensed all in one guide. I don't want to come off sounding like a stuck up or lazy person, but am looking at the big picture and seeing a very large mess that seriously needs sorted out. and I for one won't do it as I don't know which reg entries are correct or what programs are absolutly needed and cause someone somewhere alot of grief.
I can wait for a new release, but if all the stuff was to be gathered up nice and neat then there would be no need for another release, and save ND4SPD alot of time and trouble.....

for the clean dev rom and directions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=391637
landscape camera fix, if there is a portrait fix i don't care as i'm a landscape type of guy
http://www.freddyreyes.com/forums/index.php?topic=277.0
omapclock/omapclockplus for oc'ing your device (at your own risk), don't msg me if you fry your phone
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=977658
for wm5storage which makes your device act like removable media
http://www.modaco.com/content/smartphone-software-freeware-download-discussion/238545/wm5torage/
TCPMP player, regarded as the best all around media player for windows mobile
http://www.freddyreyes.com/forums/index.php?topic=299.0
esmertec jbed to run java apps like opera mini with 8mb heap for larger apps and games, also adds 3d capability
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=17616
link to opera mini for MIDP 2, this is the advanced generic that i've found works okay for the juno, some sites aren't that great and the type is grainy but i make due
http://www.operamini.com/download/pc/generic/generic_advanced_midp_2/
MMS fix (which i haven't really figured out) for the clean dev
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394735
i'll add as i come up with more, but that should get you started fairly well... N4 is coming out with his soon so no point in me trying to start up a cab with all this included and installed
your welcome

That is a start, but I remember seeing issues like the background screen during calls looked bad, and something with MMS setup and txt reply issues. I see that most of it is not a make or break thing but more of a convenience or eye sore.
thanks for posting stuff that you have so far, but man I seen alot of regedits and once I gather them all I'll see what is really needed. Like I said I want to do this upgrade, but I want everything laid out in front of me so I can dedicate the time needed for the upgrade, cause it is a real pain for me to make time(at least till college ends) to mess with stuff where it is a trial and error situation. Thanks for the start and lets try and get a nice and tidy list going.
Also for the Jbed program there a few fixes out there that I found once, didn't book mark, to fix stuff like the bottom of the screen cutting off and showing the stuff from the background, and performance settings, and other items. I really need a better way of bookmarking crap I really do.....
thanks for the starting run....
P.S. I plan on doing this this weekend.

I just noticed that that is for the clean dev install.... on allshadow there is another install that I was looking at that I want to do that is not the same as the clean dev install. Not sure which one is better, can anyone chime in on that?
BTW I have the shadow version(I know they are the same, just stating)

Ha, I went ahead and upgraded.

i'd wait.
i read that camera and video don't work properly right?
i can care less about those stupid myfaves..
can someone make like a review of he good n the bad?

Ideas for my new ROM

Hi guys. I am in the process of doing research into making my own ROM. I would like to know if you have any requests or ideas for me to base my ROM on. I want to know if there are some features, apps or configuration that you would like to see that other ROMs may not have.
Anyway let me know here and i will try to include the most popular options.

I got one...
I L-O-V-E the Khanx Touch Navia.
HOWEVER, the only thing missing, in my opinion, is a calender tab that I can see my upcoming appointments. In the original M2D you can only see 1 app ahead.

I would like to see a ROM without M2D, but with Throttle Launcher. Not everybody likes Manilla.

Since the time I got my orbit I'm missing very simple ROM and I requested it many people:
I need just serial ROM with all the unnecessary stuff removed, such as microsoft bug report, touch cube etc, with optimization tweaks and without side software at all. I'd say lite version of the serial 6.1 ROM =)
All of us got their must-have software so just let people choose what they need.
All the ROMs existing now are a kinda clones, its have very similar functionality... The mistake of the most of rom-makers is that they are trying to provide all possible features together with their ROMs. They insert there manilla, opera, config tools and many more, and I guess it takes them a lot of time to have all this things work together. Then after some time this "extra" tools getting updated and you have to develop updated ROM and catch new bugs...
Actually, the closest software to my wishes was Bepe's software, but it's not updating anymore...

I am going to look into two versions.
Naked build
lightweight and simple.
only the essential apps (to be decided)
basic config/customisation tools
Skeleton build
bare bones
no extra apps
basic config/customisation tools.
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Actually, the closest software to my wishes was Bepe's software, but it's not updating anymore...
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I had a quick look for this, but couldn't find what you mean. can you please send me a link.

t1m said:
Since the time I got my orbit I'm missing very simple ROM and I requested it many people:
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I agree....I tried all the new ROM's and finally went back to pre 6.1 more memory, faster speed, reliable phone and most important - Clean customised installs and screens.
I wish I could get something similar to Khanx Lite and Panosha's butterfly ! I have no interest in Manila, 3d or whatever - just a naked build and my own apps - whatever needed- installed have over 50MB to play with and nearly 2+ days battery life -what more could i ask for?

devdarshan said:
...I wish I could get something similar to Khanx Lite and Panosha's butterfly ! ...
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i will check them out. sounds like a good place to start

Ideal ROM for me:
1. Fast and stable build (probably official HTC build is better than some leaked build)
2. Minimum software - no cube, no customer feebback, no opera, no manila, no windows live and live messenger etc.
3. Performance tweaks included
4. Video call support (I mention this since recently many chefs drop this functionality from their ROMs)
5. Maximum free RAM

How about a kind of tracker app?
I am planning to cook a ROM for me including this app:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394203
Also remove some apps to make the system faster.
In my case, I dont need the audio booster, audio manager, calculator and getting started.
Regards,
Luciano
HTC Cruise
Rio de Janeiro, Brasil

How's the cooking going Jabba1701?
lucianok said:
How about a kind of tracker app?
I am planning to cook a ROM for me including this app:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394203
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That won't help you at all Luciano. The program works by sending the location to another phone by sms. That phone number has to be cooked in the ROM, else it would be gone upon hard reset. So this kind of applications only works when you cook your own personal ROM.

Jabba1701
I agree with the "Skeleton build".
This is a numbers game - quite a few posts have wished for such a skeleton ROM, but many more seem to like all the doo-dads and frippery being cooked into the ROM's on offer. Since most chefs quite rightly wish for donations, they choose the doo-dad route.
The basic reasons I dislike the doo-dads is that I have no use for most of them (I use the device as a mini-computer as much as a phone), they consume flash memory and RAM and you cannot update them without flashing a new ROM.
M'Amine's kitchen and one of his new ROM's is the place to start, I suggest. He has not protected his ROM's so we can completely dis-assemble them, remove the doo-dads and re-cook.
I'm slowly wending my way through this process now. The basic difficulty is figuring out all of the folders, files and Registry references associated with those doo-dads I want to remove.

working on this ROM has been pushed back in the queue a fair bit. We are currently getting our house up for sale so we can move for our kids school next year and my wife's new job. There are a few things i'd like to look at to make testing the ROMs a bit easier and quicker (ie an emulator or similar) but i really haven't had the time to even google it.

Hi, I agree with all previous comments. In my case I like to build my own UI with WAD so I do not like m2d/manila/htc roms. They look all the same to me and I still end using additional software for photos, music and even contacts
I am very happy with the rom I am using: swtos light rom (see my signature).
The only problem is swtos is not anymore with a touch so I do not expect any updates to new builds. I would say I have a 0 bugs rom, with 160 mb for programs and circa 50 mb free ram. I do not plan to go back to wm 6.1 official or to try other roms if I do not have relevant new features over this one in terms of performance.
Since swtos is not cooking polaris anymore he may be willing to share the kitchen. You can see in the thread that people is happy with this rom and missing swtos new work.
I have a couple of suggestions:
- naked roms are so naked that are only good for very advanced users. light roms most of the times already include config tools, ui and basic programs. I think a really naked but pre-configured rom would be great.
- I would suggest to explore radio compatibility. It seems to be a nightmare quite often and many people do not want to flash the phone many times.
- I suggest to concentrate on performance, scrolling and Ram recovery and exploit current hardware as it is rather than bringing it to the limit (eg. 3d drivers)
Bepes rom I think is much older than swtos so even if it is well known for its stability, I would not use it as the starting point.
Good luck !

I'm attempting to build an ultra-clean ROM from one of the public releases recently.
I tried one from c_shekhar but it contained some very confusing (to me) entries on Language and SYS versions.
Trying one of M'Amine's next

ianl8888 said:
Jabba1701
I agree with the "Skeleton build".
This is a numbers game - quite a few posts have wished for such a skeleton ROM, but many more seem to like all the doo-dads and frippery being cooked into the ROM's on offer. Since most chefs quite rightly wish for donations, they choose the doo-dad route.
The basic reasons I dislike the doo-dads is that I have no use for most of them (I use the device as a mini-computer as much as a phone), they consume flash memory and RAM and you cannot update them without flashing a new ROM.
M'Amine's kitchen and one of his new ROM's is the place to start, I suggest. He has not protected his ROM's so we can completely dis-assemble them, remove the doo-dads and re-cook.
I'm slowly wending my way through this process now. The basic difficulty is figuring out all of the folders, files and Registry references associated with those doo-dads I want to remove.
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sorry mate, not sure how i missed your post when giving an update.
I am the same as you with how i use my phone, it is more like an organiser and computer that just happens to have a phone in it. I use mine for Geocaching, tomtom, email, twitter, photos, brain training games..... and i occasionally get a phone call or SMS or two.
Do-dads are great fun to try out, but the novelty wears out over time, and they just suck up resources and slow other apps down and hurt stability.
At the moment i am trying out the more popular lite ROMS to see what they do and how they perform so i can get a feel of to expect from mine.

Looking for a rom that ..

Runs Android 1.6
Uses the HTC Framework (HTC Mail + Exchange Sync)
Has everything working (camera, bluetooth, wifi, etc)
Is Fast
Can anyone help me out? Particularly point 1 combined with point 2 are hard to find. But maybe I'm just missing it as a lot of ROM posters leave out this vital piece of information (how can you post a rom and not mention what version of Android it runs?).

Try this one. 32a only.
It's a bit laggy and unpolished though:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534415

HoFo doesn't run on Donut either... HTC did release a 1.6 with SenseUI for it's Tattoo device but as it had a smaller screen it could never be ported without display problems, AFAIK.
The "vital piece of information" isn't always specified because devs may assume that people know that the official SenseUI is running on Cupcake. They mention the HTC base build most of the time, though.
Unfortunately, I think that what you're looking for doesn't exist and never will... Now if only we could get a camera driver working on 2.0 soon

Android Rom development (fixing video camera, etc.)

First of all, lots of respect to the devs for all the work they have done so far. The last few weeks we've gone from almost nothing to one of the most complete android ports of all windows devices.
Now for the topic: I'm a (beginning) software developer and after a lot of development on the .net framework I started learning java last year, at university.
I was wondering what parts of android are actually written in java. I know that the linux kernel and stuff is written in low-level languages like C(++) or even assembler. On top of that, Android runs a java virtual machine (called drupal if I remember correctly).
Does the built-in software, like for example the standard camera software, run in java, or has it been written in low-level languages to improve speed? If it has been written in Java, can we actually edit that code from the roms that are commonly used?
If so, I think there are a lot of people that could look at stuff like fixing the video camera (by changing the button layout in that mode for example) and other small bugs that occur on higher software levels. I think there are a lot of people that know nothing about kernel development but do know stuff about java (or similar OO-languages like C#) that could help out with stuff like this.
Am I on to something here? Any people that can tell me more about this?

i dont relly know
up up !!

in XTarantula's ROM the Stock Video Camera works with sound.
his build is based on Android 2.1 (Eclair) update 1.
Model Number is Nexus One and is fully stock (even with Stock Launcher, no launcher pro preinstalled.)
its a great build, im just waiting for a Froyo Build with the same features.

hope this will help: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/ui-events.html

nuvogue7.0 or baroggi44's new build?

hey been using nsfans 6.5 rom for a long time now, wouldn't mind trying a new rom.
looking for quick and stable, which rom is better nuvogues 7.0 or baroggi44's new build...anyone tried both yet?

Fair question!
I always encourage people to try both! Barogi44 was pretty much inspiration to try my hand at my own!
And to be totally honest, NuVogue 7.0 is a little bit of a dive in a different direction from the previous 6. It has some features, such as a unique UI, that might not even continue in 8.0 and beyond (I wanted to tinker with it, but it can sometimes slow down the system a little more than I like).
Two things about my build: first and foremost: I put stability above all else when I cook my ROMs - if a program will make it unstable, I won't include it - you can install it yourself, later if you really want it - but if I think it will compromise stability, I'm leaving it out. Second: I always hear that mine boots extremely quickly - but I don't think "boot time" should be a determining factor in which ROM you use! It's always about what you're looking for in your build - which programs are pre installed, how stable the ROM is, etc...
If you have the bandwidth and a little bit of time, I say: give'em both a try! Barogi44 certainly has more users than I do (based on thread length and feedback alone!), so to be honest - that may just be a tell tale sign in itself!
NuAngel

I'm currently using your latest rom now NuAngel. It is fast and stable, which important to me.
I flashed to barogi44's latest build durng my post, it boots slower than yours...his home screen is like the htc-default except abit flashier. but i like your drop/up down list layout as well.
where' gps in your rom?
also if v7 wasn't so large, there's a lot of things i wouldn't put in there...maybe i can try cooking my own rom, what apps do i need to try...anyways NuAngel, the rom is work great so far, i like the photo 'scratch' effect for pictures, kind of neat....sometimes its just little things that make me like a rom more than another, good job!

Thanks for the comments. Yeah, NuVogue has gotten VERY big lately, but that's the addition of the care-pack: if you look under File Manger and the root of the phone, you can see there is a folder called "NuVogue Care Pack" - that folder is just a bunch of Installers that you can use to install many popular programs (including a better version of the EZ Input Keyboard, Swype, if you want it, Google Maps, and more!) - without the need to take the time downloading all of the giant CABs. If you don't want any of those programs, just delete the NuVogue Care Pack folder - it will warn you that these are system files, but you can just go ahead and delete them, it won't cause any problems.
As far as where's the GPS? That I don't know - not sure what "GPS" app you're looking for. GPS works perfectly in other programs such as Sprint Navigator, Google Maps, Trapster, etc... but if you're looking for a particular program, I'm unsure what you're used to using.
Also - if you'd like to switch the interface to the Manila style with the large clock, you can simply click START > SETTINGS > HOME SCREEN > slide right to ITEMS > and check the box that says TouchFLO. I like Titanium, though - I find it much faster.
Any further questions, just put them in the official NuVogue thread.
NuAngel

baroggi44's ROM is a newer build of WM6.5 where as nuvogue7.0 is an older version. Don't let the numbers mess with. Just becasue nuvogue7.0 is 28014 doesn't mean that its newer version of WM6.5. I can't find the tree that shows all of the different builds.

Here is how I see it after trying pretty much everything out there (including Android) on my Vogue:
For the best (IMO) newer 6.5 ROM that includes newer TouchFLO - I'd choose brack21's ROM over on PPCGeeks. It is a ROM that I never had to reboot, found it very stable and fast.
For the Titanium only ROM that fast lean and mean, I'd pick nuvogue 6.0. I did not install 7.0 but am now running 6.0 with few Titanium customizations: installed Home Screen Customizer from Marketplace, which gave me Contacts and App launcher in Titanium. I also installed Titanium Notifications add-in which gives me notifications in Titanium too. (The only problem with that is that notifications do not display correctly as there is some overlapping font issue if you had a missed call). Perhaps 7.0 is best for that...

i'm using nuvogues 7.0, so far so good...i'll try the one you suggested, thanks for the input.

Thread moved to General. Next time, please use either the Q&A thread or post under General if you have questions like these.

jadesse said:
baroggi44's ROM is a newer build of WM6.5 where as nuvogue7.0 is an older version. Don't let the numbers mess with. Just becasue nuvogue7.0 is 28014 doesn't mean that its newer version of WM6.5. I can't find the tree that shows all of the different builds.
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Very true, but in my experience and the experience of the people that use my ROM, newer doesn't always mean better. If you ask "the average user" to tell you the difference between ANY of the builds, they have no answers.
28014 mostly expanded on a few Internet Explorer features - but I also find it far better at memory management & stability. I reboot my phone once every 5 days or so. When I used 23569 or other 23xxx series builds I was 2 days at best, and I hear the same from several of my users and friends. Don't get me wrong, there are other builds in the 28xxx series that are just as horrible.
I'm not trying to put down Barogi44's ROM by any means, but I just think "newer" isn't necessarily "better."
NuAngel

NuAngel said:
Very true, but in my experience and the experience of the people that use my ROM, newer doesn't always mean better. If you ask "the average user" to tell you the difference between ANY of the builds, they have no answers.
28014 mostly expanded on a few Internet Explorer features - but I also find it far better at memory management & stability. I reboot my phone once every 5 days or so. When I used 23569 or other 23xxx series builds I was 2 days at best, and I hear the same from several of my users and friends. Don't get me wrong, there are other builds in the 28xxx series that are just as horrible.
I'm not trying to put down Barogi44's ROM by any means, but I just think "newer" isn't necessarily "better."
NuAngel
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You are right newer doesn't necessarily mean better especially when it comes to MS. I just thought that I would point out 28014 is an older build. I really haven't really noticed much difference between the different builds. Somewhere the start icon was moved to the bottom. However,I am currently not running either.