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Likely Death to my G1

today was a horrible day...
apparently leaving your g1 in your pants while they are in the wash doesnt work so well.
does not power on
anyone have any idea what can be done to bring it back or is it most likely fried
and if it is done then does anyone want to buy it as is?
I guess this is an excuse to get a g2
*UPDATE*
I guess no G2 for me just yet.
My phone works great now. Did not do anything special. Did disassemble the phone though so I can wipe down any residue i saw on main components such as the keyboard.
My advice to anyone that has this misfortune is not to rush things. I think i turned my phone on 2 days too early but I got lucky and it did not affect my phone. I figured this out because there was a lot of visible moisture in the screen when the backlight turned on. The keyboard was not functioning correctly either.
I did leave it in rice for about 36 hours but I do not really think that did much as far as the drying process goes. Best thing to do is go to a hardware store and pick up a torx driver set(mine was $4 at Home Depot and it was 36 piece set including torx philips hex slotted and pozi) open up the phone *be careful* of course and let it air dry for 3-4 days (not absolutely necessary to take apart the entire screen but if you feel comfortable go ahead). While it was open I wiped down the main board and the keyboard. I did not take apart the screen because I just did not want to take any other risks(mostly because i knew the screen worked) even though there was moisture, I knew it would eventually dry out. But the key to all of this was patience(I know its tough to go 3-4 days without your baby).
the link for the service manual is http://mikechannon.net/PDF Manuals/HTC Dream SM (A04).pdf

Most of the time, phones can live through the washer and live. You MUST take out the battery and do NOT attempt to turn it on for atleast 48 hours, as you will likely short out the phone. Put the phone in a big bag of rice to let it soak up the water, also use a blowdryer to help dry the phone out. However, your warranty is now void, and there likely will be some remnants of water within your screen.

Yep! worst thing you can do is turn that thing on (or try) before its dry.
my g1 hasnt had a bath but other phones have (none with touch screens) and i take as much apart as possible and leave it that way till the waters gone (then like 4 more days just to me sure )
artifical drying sources reccomended (dont get too hot!!!)

I have had it in rice for about 24 hours now and its sitting on top of my dvr because it gives off a little heat so it should help the process.
just remembered that i didnt remove the sd card...
i was thinking that since it was in the washer with detergent, shouldnt i have just removed the battery and try to clean it in some type of solution...
I have read about a alcohol solutions but kind of scared and i just noticed that there is condensation around the edges of the screen

I'd say take it apart, Blow dry what you can, leave the pieces in a warm area for a couple hours, and then try putting it back together and turning it on.

anybody know how sensitive the screen is because i want to try and blow some heat on it but not sure if it will damage it

best part about handset insurance cover lost or stolen phones...hint hint

bladepbc said:
best part about handset insurance cover lost or stolen phones...hint hint
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good point but im on att network using the g1 unlocked...
plus i rather not cheat my way out of it because this is my own fault

good news and bad news...
first of all it powers on and boots fine. Secondly the screen seems to be working perfectly (touch and all)
bad news i might have turned it on too early because screen still had noticeable water spots all over it. The keyboard also just spews random letters and commands (ie one of the letters controls the volume)
other good news 1.5 has onscreen keyboard
anyone have any advice on how to go about fixing the keyboard?

Advise for fixing the keyboard: take it apart and clean it.

ok well im taking it apart to clean it out and i see some residue but what should i use?
microfiber cloth?

cleaned out as much as i could but seems like the menu button is now acting up while the keyboard is still messed up

Aside from parts made of paper, parts with thin films (like the lcd), speakers, batteries, or fine parts that are difficult to dry, you can do a very neat job with 99% iso alcohol followed by deionized (aka distilled) water. This includes most (but not all) plastic casing, buttons, pcb boards, etc. Follow up with a hair blowdryer set on low heat (or if you have an electric heatgun, even better).
Get a semi-shallow dish, fill it with the solvent, submerge the part and scrub it lightly with a soft toothbrush. (probably don't scrub for polished surfaces like the exterior casing). Then directly rinse it under a stream of the deionized water. Finally, clean the dish out, fill it with the di water and scrub with the brush.

^ almost exactly what I did to recover a "dead" water soaked phone. Worked great, and learned a lot about how the phone is built

couldnt find 99% near by but got 91% which im assuming should work...
is it ok if i use bottled water(kirkland)?
oh and the spots on the screen are still there (light and dark areas)
thanks for the help guys

kp126 said:
couldnt find 99% near by but got 91% which im assuming should work...
is it ok if i use bottled water(kirkland)?
oh and the spots on the screen are still there (light and dark areas)
thanks for the help guys
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I bought my 99% iso from Safeway. It comes in a 16oz container. Look for it in the medical supplies aisles. Don't use bottled spring/mineral water, as that contains... minerals. You need buy deionized (also referred to as distilled) water. Distilled water contains a significantly lower amount of mineral ion, which for the purpose of cleaning electronics would be considered contaminants.
Do the spots appear to be blotches of moisture? Perhaps there is fluid trapped between the various layers of the lcd.

ok ill go check out safeway tomorrow morning. thanks for clearing up the water thing.
it looks like its moisture because after leaving it off for about 5 or 6 more hours i saw a few spots fade a little bit.
I will take the screen apart tomorrow as well. Any special instructions on handling the screen or even cleaning it?

You might want to search for the service manual for the G1. It details a complete teardown and rebuild of the dream hardware.

some sort of a miracle just occured because my phone is not acting up at all anymore and i didnt even clean it with the alcohol solution yet.
Just woke up in the morning and turned on the phone and worked perfectly, with absolutely no problem with the keyboard(except that i think i forgot a screw and a few keys are a little loose) everything works fine.
only problem is that the screen still has what looks like condensation.
but the blotches in the screen seem to be slowly fading. Gonna pop it open right now and leave it out overnight.
thanks for the help
oh and the manual has a few mistakes in it as far as procedure goes but any person with common sense should be able to get past those

Damn, thats rough man. I dropped both my old phones in the toilet(damn you superbowl, damn you!!!)and both of them worked after taking them apart and drying them off but never really worked 100% the same...
Just a note too, those were non-touch screen phones.
Best of luck.

Water and HD2...

So I got some water into my HD2 and it's been sitting in rice and now silica gel for about 2 whole days now. Seems it's dried out around the circuitry (the screen doesn't flicker anymore and the touch screen is 100% functional). My problem is, I can see water under my screen. It is a pretty large amount of water under the screen as I can see discoloration (like water on paper sort of discoloration) and when I press the screen water bubbles move.
I'm relieved that the phone turns on and it functions 100% it's just there's so much water trapped under the screen.
Can anyone help me out and tell me how to disassemble just the screen so the water can get out? If that's too difficult, does anyone know how long it would take (ballpark estimate) for the water to come out. I'm paranoid because I think about a water bottle with a bit of water in it and that if it is sealed the water doesn't evaporate and just stays in there. Would that apply for my phone because it is sealed up? I mean the water got in there somehow so there must be some holes/gaps that will allow the water to evaporate out of (screen isn't foggy or anything though) but I'm afraid if the water stays in there too long it might do extra damage?
Sorry for this long novel, but any help or advice would be great. Thanks in advance.

a4_h23 said:
So I got some water into my HD2 and it's been sitting in rice and now silica gel for about 2 whole days now. Seems it's dried out around the circuitry (the screen doesn't flicker anymore and the touch screen is 100% functional). My problem is, I can see water under my screen. It is a pretty large amount of water under the screen as I can see discoloration (like water on paper sort of discoloration) and when I press the screen water bubbles move.
I'm relieved that the phone turns on and it functions 100% it's just there's so much water trapped under the screen.
Can anyone help me out and tell me how to disassemble just the screen so the water can get out? If that's too difficult, does anyone know how long it would take (ballpark estimate) for the water to come out. I'm paranoid because I think about a water bottle with a bit of water in it and that if it is sealed the water doesn't evaporate and just stays in there. Would that apply for my phone because it is sealed up? I mean the water got in there somehow so there must be some holes/gaps that will allow the water to evaporate out of (screen isn't foggy or anything though) but I'm afraid if the water stays in there too long it might do extra damage?
Sorry for this long novel, but any help or advice would be great. Thanks in advance.
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HERE is a video to disassemble the HD 2 Hope it helps. I just found the video so please be carefull

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HERE is a video to disassemble the HD 2 Hope it helps. I just found the video so please be carefull
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Yeah I saw that too. Thing is, I'm terrified to try. That and I lack the tools to do so and even if I were to buy the tools, I have yet to find a video on how to just do the screen as I don't want to take the whole phone apart. It looks as if you might have to take the whole thing apart, but I was hoping there was an easier way to remove the screen

a4_h23 said:
Yeah I saw that too. Thing is, I'm terrified to try. That and I lack the tools to do so and even if I were to buy the tools, I have yet to find a video on how to just do the screen as I don't want to take the whole phone apart. It looks as if you might have to take the whole thing apart, but I was hoping there was an easier way to remove the screen
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From what I saw on the video I dont think you can just remove the screen. I have not gotten the nerve up to do it myself either

On a side note, leaving the phone horizontel in the silica gel/rice for about 3 days may work also. Did on an old sansa mp3 player of mine. Let gravity help?

rickyzone said:
On a side note, leaving the phone horizontel in the silica gel/rice for about 3 days may work also. Did on an old sansa mp3 player of mine. Let gravity help?
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Do you mean like on its side? I didnt think of that... Its been flat on its back. Great advice! Thanks! Ill check back in 4 days to update.

Hopefully you haven't taken it apart yet. I got water under my screen too (from installing a knockoff brand of an invisible shield) had the discoloration.etc and so I put it in a container of rice for about a week. after 99% of it had gone away I stuck it under a lamp for an hour (make sure to not put it too close so you don't melt anything) and now it looks and runs just fine. Plus this way my warranty isn't void still (sticker on the back is white.etc)

Ahanix said:
Hopefully you haven't taken it apart yet. I got water under my screen too (from installing a knockoff brand of an invisible shield) had the discoloration.etc and so I put it in a container of rice for about a week. after 99% of it had gone away I stuck it under a lamp for an hour (make sure to not put it too close so you don't melt anything) and now it looks and runs just fine. Plus this way my warranty isn't void still (sticker on the back is white.etc)
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That's really great news. I wouldn't dare to take it apart. I was hoping to hear from someone who has had the same thing happen before and have had good results. So about a week then would be a good time to leave it. It has been sitting in silica gel for about 3 days now (and rice before that for a day) so I'm gonna check up on it in two or three days. Was it a lot of water under your screen? Cuz mine looks like a lot.
My indicator actually showed water damage but I bleached it back to white lol (hell I don't have insurance nor will I be turning it in to T-Mobile anyhow) because the red is ugly. Anyway thanks for stopping by to let me know, it feels really good for me now because I've been worried sick for these past few days!

Hello (Sorry for my english), I have similar problem. Today I try place screen protector via wet method and now I have display full of water and my hd2 is in the box of rice.
For all that hd2 is fully functional. I hope it will be not very long procedure.

ameron said:
Hello (Sorry for my english), I have similar problem. Today I try place screen protector via wet method and now I have display full of water and my hd2 is in the box of rice.
For all that hd2 is fully functional. I hope it will be not very long procedure.
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It took mine about a week to dry out about 95%. Hopefully yours turned out/will turn out alright too.

Water Proof DHD

Using the mobile in a bath, obviously without any direct water contact, later I placed the mobile by the side of the bath.
Upon using the mobile (out of the bathroom) I noticed the mobile was a little moist and wet on the behind - as the rubber case had caught some water.
I wiped this, and a few minutes later when the mobile was on standby, the car dock app opens up automatically.
Then moments later the screen begins to flicker and turn bright - dim - black - bright. Removed the battery and found some water inside, the lower case was the same, found traces of water on the simcard and memory card.
I left the mobile in front of a heater for 10 minutes, but everything back and its working. The battery case has a label which seems to have some water trapped as you can see this label is slightly lifted now.
Im glad its working as I don't think it would have been repaired under warranty firstly due to water damage and 2ndly due to it having custom rom.
Would you guys know if rain damage is covered under warranty, as surely this would be general usage and HTC don't even supply a cover/case in the box.

I don't take my phone in the bathroom due to condensation... which is what caused your problems.
I doubt rain damage will be covered by warranty... since it's within the users power to not use it in the rain and not get it wet!
Common sense prevails... or at least should previal

There's a indicator in the phone that will change colour after contact with liquids. When its red/pink you can forget about any warranty.

CitizenLee said:
I don't take my phone in the bathroom due to condensation... which is what caused your problems.
I doubt rain damage will be covered by warranty... since it's within the users power to not use it in the rain and not get it wet!
Common sense prevails... or at least should previal
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I understand you may use common sense, but at times you get tempted, like everyone today is tempted by waswasa of the shaiytan, but do we heed to take common sense - no we get brainwashed by the biased media like sheep.

shah_jee said:
I understand you may use common sense, but at times you get tempted, like everyone today is tempted by waswasa of the shaiytan, but do we heed to take common sense - no we get brainwashed by the biased media like sheep.
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I don't pay attention to the media either. Like you say it's biased and only serves to brainwash and cause confusion, panic and alarm
How's your phone now anyway? Any problems or is all ok?

shah_jee said:
Using the mobile in a bath,
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ummmm, WHAT?

shah_jee said:
using the mobile in a bath, obviously without any direct water contact, later i placed the mobile by the side of the bath.
Upon using the mobile (out of the bathroom) i noticed the mobile was a little moist and wet on the behind - as the rubber case had caught some water.
I wiped this, and a few minutes later when the mobile was on standby, the car dock app opens up automatically.
Then moments later the screen begins to flicker and turn bright - dim - black - bright. Removed the battery and found some water inside, the lower case was the same, found traces of water on the simcard and memory card.
I left the mobile in front of a heater for 10 minutes, but everything back and its working. The battery case has a label which seems to have some water trapped as you can see this label is slightly lifted now.
Im glad its working as i don't think it would have been repaired under warranty firstly due to water damage and 2ndly due to it having custom rom.
Would you guys know if rain damage is covered under warranty, as surely this would be general usage and htc don't even supply a cover/case in the box.
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what were u thinking??????????

Well,I too take my phone to the bathroom at two circumstances:When I'm having a shower and when I...ermm...poo(sorry ladies...if there are any around here! ).
Well,in the first case I only hear music and cover it with my T-Shirt so that it's safe from moisture.
In the second case,well,I do have the window open for reasons I don't really have to clarify here and no moisture there.
So my phone is safe in my bathroom.

There is some water proof casings for DHD try to google for ''otterbox'' saw one there.

Good luck with your device. Most phones and electronics says nighty night after a while when they've been wet.

No problem with water on electronics.
It the shorting it does when its powerd thats the actual problem.
But yeah taking your phone into the bathroom is not smart.
We have a sauna and i do take my phone (and a portable speakerset) in there but i put it in a (thin) plastic bag seal that up and can still use the screen. Love to hear music in the sauna.

Use Ziplock Bag
Hi guy if you need to bring your HTC into a bath or to accompany you in the bathroom for other purposes you can use a water tight ziplock bag to contain it. It will prevent the phone from contacting moisture AND you can still use the touchscreen.
I used to have a blackberry (obviously belonging to my my company ) that I bring into my weekly sauna session. It lasted a good 2 years in that humidity and heat! When it finally malfunctioned I realised it was because of some leaks in the ziplock bag. So remember to change the bag often.
My Desire, on the other hand, did not last as long coz I brought it into the bath room with no ziplock. In 9 months I am forced to switch to the DHD.
So ziplock bag yah?

i dropped my Desire HD in the snow .. it became all wet .. took out the battery, kept it warm for a half day and its still working fine with no problem at all .. Been almost 2 month now

[Q] Cracked screen -> fast battery drain now

I cracked my screen pretty badly this weekend and am planning on ordering the replacement parts this week (debating the just glass or the new glass/LCD options). But I've noticed since then(last 2 days) the battery has drained pretty fast. Normally I get 2 days from a charge, today I pulled the phone off the cord at 8am and now at 3pm I got a pop-up saying <10%. The phone has only sat on the desk. No calls, no emails, no text, no web surfing.
Maybe the screen is getting mixed signals, being cracked and all.
Any ideas?

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I cracked my screen pretty badly this weekend and am planning on ordering the replacement parts this week (debating the just glass or the new glass/LCD options). But I've noticed since then(last 2 days) the battery has drained pretty fast. Normally I get 2 days from a charge, today I pulled the phone off the cord at 8am and now at 3pm I got a pop-up saying <10%. The phone has only sat on the desk. No calls, no emails, no text, no web surfing.
Maybe the screen is getting mixed signals, being cracked and all.
Any ideas?
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I am not really knowledgable about the exact interworkings of the HD2's internal hardware. But I do think it would be a pretty fair assumption that the cracked screen could be the cause of the sudden battery drain. You know your HD2 better than anybody else would as far as daily functionality of your HD2. So if it was not having a battery drain before you cracked the screen. And now you do after and this is the singular change in the state of the HD2 be it hardware wise or software wise. Then logic would say that is it.
Have you thought any about it might not just be the screen that is cracked. What about the internals. How hard did it hit, and how hard was the object the phone hit????
One last thing, be nice to your HD2, it is nice to you. ha ha ha....... But really take it easy on the hardware.

I trimmed the tape on it down to only covering the glass (finger protection mostly) and got it off the edges and out from around the back. This seemed to really help. I've noticed from the beginning of owning this phone that there are some sensitive spots on the sides that when pressure is applied the phone acts like a button was pressed etc. So I must have been causing this. Even with the screen off it was still reading a button push and having to process this action, using power.
I need to find a hard shell for the phone. The rubber thing that came with it is useless as it sticks in your pocket, I need smooth hard plastic I guess. The phone slipped out of my hand as I was getting out of the car and landed face down. Pure accident.

mattlikesbikes said:
I trimmed the tape on it down to only covering the glass (finger protection mostly) and got it off the edges and out from around the back. This seemed to really help. I've noticed from the beginning of owning this phone that there are some sensitive spots on the sides that when pressure is applied the phone acts like a button was pressed etc. So I must have been causing this. Even with the screen off it was still reading a button push and having to process this action, using power.
I need to find a hard shell for the phone. The rubber thing that came with it is useless as it sticks in your pocket, I need smooth hard plastic I guess. The phone slipped out of my hand as I was getting out of the car and landed face down. Pure accident.
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I too have notice the same thing about my HD2 that ertain areas around the edge are sensative, like you said almost like you were pressing abutton of some sort. I am glad you figured something out that helps stop the battery drain. I know that can be agrevating as hell.
If you have a T-Mobile HD2 like I do you could try the Body Glove. I have one on mine, it is a two piece hard plastic cover you HD2 slides up in. ig has a pull out kickstand on the back also, I really like it. It has help protect my HD2 several times when I accidently dropped it out of my hand. I do warn you though after having it on your HD2 for awhile it will make to little scuff marks of the clear coat on your battery cover. Also I have notice I have to make sure I have a ferm grip on it when I pick it up cause the plastic cover is a little slick not like when gou have the rubber case on it. I attached two photos of the cover, oh and you can buy it from T-mobile store or from the T-Mobile website. I suggest website it is cheaper there.

wet screen protector = phone not working!

Hi guys! First post here, I've been watching the development forum (for new ROMs, etc) and can't post there yet, so took a while before posting something myself.
Long story short, I've installed a wet screen protector (extremeguard) and was careful not to use too much water, in fact I used a lot less than the manufacturer used in its video tutorial. I turned the phone back on (against the recommendations) because I can't live without it for a minute and the right side of the touch screen was unresponsive, it just didn't recognized any touch input. Since there was a small bubble in the middle of the screen I just thought it was causing it to be unresponsive. After a while (2h, maybe) I couldn't wait for it to start working any more and removed the protector. It's still not working! It's been 4 hours, the phone have been without the battery and back cover for most of that time, Ive even placed it on top of a heater (low setting) and later in a pack of rice and it still doesn't work!
The manufacturer says I shoudn't use the phone for about 24h, even though after 8h it shoud be fine. So this product is really supposed to make your phone stop working due to water damage and recover when it dries?! How f*ucked up is that?!
I've searched the forums and other people are having the same problem, although most of the time it starts working perfectly after a few hours again.
I can't recommend a wet aplication screen protector to anyone, anything that causes your phone to stop working, even if temporarily, is a bad idea!
UPDATE: After 12 hours, and lots of blowing it with the hairdryer, it's still not working. And since today is the 15th day since I bought the phone, and the last one to return it and ask for a replacement, that's exactly what I'll do!

I have used this procedure 3 times on two u8800's. Both are still working. I applyed water with my fingers on the screen away from the edges and slided the protector on. Almost no bubbles were created.
I suggest you act dumb and take it to the warranty. They replaced myne, that I bricked with wrong ROM in 9 days....it was a long period, so I completely understand you, that you cant live without it for even a minute.
I carry my netbook all the time with me, incase the battery gets low, I can recharge it. I need to buy extra batteries aswell .

Mine have gaps around the digitizer glass (U8800pro), about the diameter of printing paper thickness. could this cause water to get in more easily? i guess it is due to little poor built quality, however have not noticed any other drawbacks yet