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Yes, its true, HTC is officially abandoning the windows platform!
What next?
SOURCE:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/18/htc_new_strategy/
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=64741
UPDATE:
Sources are confirming the adoption of the linux platform or symbian platform. Its most probably not going to take massive shape this year, but by next year we will see a significant change.
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register article is referring to smartphone platform only! maybe pda platform will remain with MS...
ItalianTytan said:
register article is referring to smartphone platform only! maybe pda platform will remain with MS...
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"smartphone" is generally used also for devices with touchscreen...
I think HTC is afraid of MS doing again what they have done with the media players business: they used other hardware vendors to create market perception and later they went for their own product (Zune) with a different DRM and left the "PlaysForSure" clan with cold feet.
Now that Apple has its own branded phone Microsoft will have to have a MS branded phone soon and that could mean bye bye to HTC and the other vendors, so better jump ship before it's too late.
This announcement could also be only a warning to MS; at the moment HTC is practically the only company in the world that could throw a blow at Microsoft: without HTC the MS market share in smartphones would fall to a level of insignificance and they would have to rebuild their mobile phone market share from scratch.
Btw, is there any other OS than wm6 that we can port into right now like linux or something, I really love trying stuff like this out. Is there any way to put s60 v3 or even linux onto my trinity?
AkshayGenius said:
Btw, is there any other OS than wm6 that we can port into right now like linux or something, I really love trying stuff like this out. Is there any way to put s60 v3 or even linux onto my trinity?
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There's a Linux kernel out there somewhere - iPaQ 3900 was the last device I saw it working on eons ago...
AkshayGenius,
check Hermes forum, haret supports Trinity and semi-bootable kernel exists.
Doesn't boot completely on Hermes or Trinity so far.
hope some good UI os will come out soon!
i really dont wanna buy iphone..... unless HTC can come out better UI os...
anonimo said:
"smartphone" is generally used also for devices with touchscreen...
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Not really, in terms of Windows Mobile devices and WM5, you had the Pocket PC and Smartphone edition, the latter of which is on devices without touch screen e.g. HTC Meteor, Canary, Tanager etc.
I don't know if you mean "generally" as in all devices that are smartphonish on the market - you've got a lot that's not touch screen there too e.g. N95.
El_Mariachi said:
Not really, in terms of Windows Mobile devices and WM5, you had the Pocket PC and Smartphone edition, the latter of which is on devices without touch screen e.g. HTC Meteor, Canary, Tanager etc.
I don't know if you mean "generally" as in all devices that are smartphonish on the market - you've got a lot that's not touch screen there too e.g. N95.
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With "generally" I mean what you read in market researches. When you read about the Symbian market share that includes both S60 (no touchscreen) and UIQ (touchscreen) phones. Same goes for Windows Mobile.
The term "smartphone" was not invented by microsoft (did they ever invent anything? ) and it means "phone where you can install and use third party software beyond java applets" as opposed to "feature phone" where you can only use what is preinstalled in the phone (and only add Java applets).
So can anybody make an OS which I for ex can put on my p3600 for ex.
AkshayGenius said:
Yes, its true, HTC is officially abandoning the windows platform!
What next?
SOURCE:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/18/htc_new_strategy/
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=64741
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HTC has the best position in the market because of the Windows line. When they abandone the Windows platform, they give their market share to HP for example.
HTC also knows that Microsoft integrates everything from Office, Exchange, VOIP, Sharepoint to Live, etc.
Saying one thing and do some expirements with Linux, puts the pressure on Microsoft for nice deals (cheaper OS) for more HTC profit.
I haven't looked for other sources, but, a reading of the article hardly supports the assertion that HTC is "officially abandoning" WM. I mean, the ONLY quote just says they're "looking at" other OS's.
Talk about exaggeration.
i hope they turn to Linux, any exp coder will know that M$ is a piece of **** when it comes to resources, so look forward to faster, more stable phones. On the down side is the lack of app's supporting linux, but that said, the moment it becomes a reality, I'm there....
qubit76 said:
i hope they turn to Linux, any exp coder will know that M$ is a piece of **** when it comes to resources, so look forward to faster, more stable phones. On the down side is the lack of app's supporting linux, but that said, the moment it becomes a reality, I'm there....
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Indeed so! BSD is now a reality on the iPhone - the mind boggles at how the market could look in 12 months. Mind you, I still prefer my Trinity to the iPhone but am particularly peeved that HTC haven't seen fit to officlally release WM6 for it.
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WHY dont they contract with Ubuntu? make something like ubuntu mobile ??
LOL
than Iphone is ****ed.
qubit76 said:
i hope they turn to Linux, any exp coder will know that M$ is a piece of **** when it comes to resources, so look forward to faster, more stable phones. On the down side is the lack of app's supporting linux, but that said, the moment it becomes a reality, I'm there....
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If HTC would evolve a bit and embrace the 3rd party app model present on the iPhone, enhance it a bit and add support for fetching data from hardware components like gps modules, not like java, but something like Adobe® AIR™ for mobile devices with offline capabilities, that would be great foe everybody, most of the apps we use are for improving/replacing the poorly designed windows mobile apps&interface, other can be fully replaced by web apps, codewallet for example, imagine it with offline and online modes, sync between both, and you have your passwords accessible on any device or desktop, multimedia editing is also possible using flash and server-side code, like picnik.com, so, it would be necessary to create new apps, but this new model would be far better than the current one, it would also eliminate the need for manual app updating, it would... heh, make cracking impossible, so, good for the devs for that and also for the easier&cheaper development(VS not needed, html+css+flash+javascript+rails[heh ]), it would also give HTC the freedom to create a sleek GUI(compiz and stuff?) since its easier to replace the linux gui than wmobile, no licensing fees from ms i think.
ericlin0122 said:
LOL
WHY dont they contract with Ubuntu? make something like ubuntu mobile ??
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than Iphone is ****ed.
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Ha Ha Haaaa... I like that
Lets all bombard the ubuntu guyz with emails demanding a mobile version of ubuntu for ppc and all then finally we'll get what we want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEA!
ericlin0122 said:
LOL
WHY dont they contract with Ubuntu? make something like ubuntu mobile ??
LOL
than Iphone is ****ed.
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Funny you should say that. Have a look at this: http://www.wired.com/software/coolapps/news/2007/07/iphoney. In the article it mentions just this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded.
So Ubuntu mobile coming in October. As soon as a good GPS navigation software release for Ubuntu comes out - I'm trying it.
Hey xda´s!
Today I´m getting my own HD2 from england and I can´t wait to hold it in my hands
But I have some questions about the phone.
The first one is...Will the HD2 be upgradeable to Wiindows Phone 7 or if it will not be official upgradeable will the xda´s can do it? I know its early to ask about WM7 because there are not really many specs out about it yet but I would like to know what you think about that
And my second question is...Will the HD2 with it´s capacitive screen have full "multitouch" aahh sorry "pinch to zoom" support on WM7?
...or will the xda´s enable more multitouch gestures in the next weeks or months?
There have been tons of queries about this subject, please use the search before posting. It's probably safe to say that HTC won't be giving us WinMo7 the official way, but I'm sure the XDA community will find a way getting it to our beloved HD2 "the other way"
it will be possible congrats for ur new mob you'll love it
Yep! Thats right! If not Officially, you can bet that Win Mo 7 will be made available on the HD2 by the talented devs here. And not just that, we might even get Android to run on it!
Congrats on your purchase!
Tanmay® said:
..., we might even get Android to run on it!
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Thats a point i never got...
Why do people want to port Android on Wimo Phones? I you like Andorid, why don't you directly buy an Android phone which was designed for the operating system. I guess thats better than having a bad ported version running on a phone desigend for windows mobile.
actually this subject is non sense.
LordK said:
Thats a point i never got...
Why do people want to port Android on Wimo Phones? I you like Andorid, why don't you directly buy an Android phone which was designed for the operating system.
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People do it because, in the case of the HTC Leo/HD2, there's not one piece of hardware quite like it being sold with Android installed.
I guess smartphones are quickly becoming the new PCs & Laptops of the age. Some people buy a PC with an OS installed as default, they like the hardware but not the OS (usually Windows, maybe OSx) so they just format the HDD and install say Ubuntu etc etc.
jagnet said:
People do it because, in the case of the HTC Leo/HD2, there's not one piece of hardware quite like it being sold with Android installed.
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Yeah but you will never get a well-performing port until an OEM makes a device with the same hardware. Who's going to make the drivers for you?
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Yeah but you will never get a well-performing port until an OEM makes a device with the same hardware. Who's going to make the drivers for you?
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That's true. Though the Acer A1 and Xperia X3 both use snapdragon so drivers (or partial drivers) will undoubtedly make their way to the porting project.
Yes but then you will have Android devices with the same level of hardware as HD2! So the initial question remains - why not buy them instead of coping with inevitable problems with ports?
It's not like drivers instantly start working when you copy them from one device to another, even with the same hardware platform - check out the video drivers thread to see what I mean. You're doomed to have problems like battery drain or calls dropping or poor performance in some areas or what not.
Then there will be some problems with applications - I don't know about the new devices, but all the current Android ones have low-res screens.
In addition to that, you really want 2.0 with Sense, and there's no port of that available AFAIK. Plain Android is just dull, it's nothing to fret about, IMO.
I understand the fun of porting and making things work, but using that as your primary device? It's guaranteed to be worse than what you have now.
Neither of those devices have 4.3 inch touchscreens. Also The HD2 has a look and feel all of its own.
The only thing spoiling it for me is Windows Mobile and the terrible onscreen keyboard so if we could port Android to this device I would be elated as it has a much better marketplace (Windows Marketplace is really a sack over overpriced crap), less cludge and better built in apps - the Youtube app for example supports user subscriptions and favourites viewing, and I'm a big online video fan.
The fact that Android was built from the ground up for capacitive touchscreen devices rather than being a patched up ropey old operating system with a shell interface on top makes me drool at the idea of it being on the HD2, and YES we could buy an Android device of similar specification BUT where's the fun in that??? Check the name of this site.........................
Well, I'm not on the Google/Android hype bandwagon, I do admit that the UI out of the box there is much more finger friendly and the notifications are implemented in the best way among all the mobile phone OSes, but otherwise Android's greatness is blown out of all reasonable proportion. An Android crippled by driver incompatibilities/incomplete implementation is something that totally misses the concept of attractive in my terms...
That said, I'm sure I'll install it myself one day (via haret or otherwise) just out of curiosity, that would certainly serve to satisfying the geek in me. But to expect that your experience from using the device would improve is somewhat unrealistic.
I am happy with the HD2 and figured I would decide what platform to go with at the time of my next phone purchase. This report should mean I can try out Windows Mobile 7 on the HD2 and take that into consideration as well.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/8793.html
CAH000 said:
I am happy with the HD2 and figured I would decide what platform to go with at the time of my next phone purchase. This report should mean I can try out Windows Mobile 7 on the HD2 and take that into consideration as well.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/8793.html
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nice, i can't wait
MSmobiles is full of **** as usual. They post BS to get hits every once in a while.
I was looking at reviews of the new w7 phones and os, I'm the type of person that like to test things out so I know how they work etc, however I'm not rich, do you guys think that in the future somebody will port w7 mobile to android phones (vibrant)? or is this even possible?
what do you think guys?
Perrosky said:
I was looking at reviews of the new w7 phones and os, I'm the type of person that like to test things out so I know how they work etc, however I'm not rich, do you guys think that in the future somebody will port w7 mobile to android phones (vibrant)? or is this even possible?
what do you think guys?
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While most things are possible given enough time and effort, this isn't very likely. Apple's iOS and WM6.x haven't made it onto Android devices yet, and it's not because of a lack of interest. Many people do these things merely for the sake of seeing if it can be done after all. People would hack a kleenex to be a bounty towel if it were possible, just to be doing it. That's how coders roll.
Android is an open OS, with the source freely available, and with device manufacturers obligated to release non proprietary device source. None of these restrictions or opportunities apply to WP7's OS, or manufacturers.
We've seen Android shoehorned onto WM6.x phones. We've even seen it run on iPhones. And there's a reason why you haven't seen the reverse come true.
Don't hold your breath about it...
I get it, thanks for your answer.
Perrosky said:
I get it, thanks for your answer.
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OT but I see you are a Soul Eater fan I just started watching it and love it!
porting an android phone over to winmo will be nearly impossible becasue the OS is closed source even the drivers. maybe people can run an emulator on the android phone then put a wimo image into the emualtor.
The HD2 does, and isn't the EVO pretty much the HD2 with the addition of the front facing camera and android?
Id like to try WP7 for a few days or weeks and see if its worth switching over, but I dont really see it happening.
phatmanxxl said:
Id like to try WP7 for a few days or weeks and see if its worth switching over, but I dont really see it happening.
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why you say that
Because microsoft is the devil and posting ROMS that run microsoft software would be considered warez imo.
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phatmanxxl said:
Id like to try WP7 for a few days or weeks and see if its worth switching over, but I dont really see it happening.
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You'd have to pay for a windows OS license to use it on your phone.
huskerpat said:
You'd have to pay for a windows OS license to use it on your phone.
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Hasn't [stopped] the HD2.
Award Tour said:
Hasn't the HD2.
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It has, except you pay for it when you buy the phone since it comes with WP7
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It has, except you pay for it when you buy the phone since it comes with WP7
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Under your reasoning I should be able to upgrade to Windows 8 for free.
Edit: Maybe you didn't realize that it comes with WinMo 6.5 and not WP7.
There's an app called "Windows Phone Android" that lets your try out the WP7 OS as a launcher.
It sucks... IMO
Android=Free, IOS+WM=$$. This is how it looks, Google made android and just threw it out on the streets and periodically supports it, Windows and Apple have thier OS's in their basement under lock and key, with an armed guard sitting on a stool.
the reason is that only android is open source. Most of the multi OS phones are there native (iOS or WinMO) and android. this can be done because they get the code for android and it is open source. Since iOs and Winmo dont release the info it is much much much harder to actually get the thing up and running on a non-native phone.
HD2 was a winmo native phone so it has winmo and people have made it so it can run android. Evo is an android native phone ... thus it runs android.
Additionally as stated there would be licensing issues as well and most respectable sites would not allow it to be posted since it would be warez.
Yep, so not gonna happen.
I would like to try WP 7... I wouldn't give up my 4G to test it, though. But I think WP 7 looks sexy
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There's an app called "Windows Phone Android" that lets your try out the WP7 OS as a launcher.
It sucks... IMO
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Mis-information that is not the OS just a "mock-up" of it. It is a today launcher just like sense or any other launcher.
Righteous Joe said:
Android=Free, IOS+WM=$$. This is how it looks, Google made android and just threw it out on the streets and periodically supports it, Windows and Apple have thier OS's in their basement under lock and key, with an armed guard sitting on a stool.
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not really .... ask cyanogen about his early exlpoits with android.
omegasun18 said:
the reason is that only android is open source. Most of the multi OS phones are there native (iOS or WinMO) and android. this can be done because they get the code for android and it is open source. Since iOs and Winmo dont release the info it is much much much harder to actually get the thing up and running on a non-native phone.
HD2 was a winmo native phone so it has winmo and people have made it so it can run android. Evo is an android native phone ... thus it runs android.
Additionally as stated there would be licensing issues as well and most respectable sites would not allow it to be posted since it would be warez.
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Mis-information .... android is open source but that is not where porting for a touch-pro2 come in at, someone has to write the code and drivers for that port to work right... also there are some OS ports done on android phones like the nexus 1 and 2 .... and WP7 is definately not open source but is running fine on the HD2 so really its just up to some to develop the software needed for said OS ports.
jakdillard said:
Mis-information .... android is open source but that is not where porting for a touch-pro2 come in at, someone has to write the code and drivers for that port to work right... also there are some OS ports done on android phones like the nexus 1 and 2 .... and WP7 is definately not open source but is running fine on the HD2 so really its just up to some to develop the software needed for said OS ports.
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This is not mis-information. writing the codes and drivers with out the source is vastly more difficult then writing it with the source. I did not say it was not possible i just said that a big reason you see android on iOS and WINMO phones is because android is open source. this is true since having the source code makes writing the drivers much easier and very few people have the ability or drive to write drivers for an entire phone to work with a new os. in the case of WP7 it is likely that many of the drivers designed with previous versions of WinMO work in the new version as is or with very very slight modifications which would again make this much easier then creating a new driver from scratch for a closed source os.
If you honestly think android being open source isnt a huge contribute to the reason that most other os phones get android and most android phones do not get the other os then i dont know what to tell you.
jakdillard said:
not really .... ask cyanogen about his early exlpoits with android.
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Cyan's headaches/hiccups were with the NON-open Google Apps, not with the OS itself.
PS: learn to "multi-quote" instead of posting 3 times rapid fire.
Award Tour said:
Hasn't [stopped] the HD2.
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I think there's a very real possibility a cease and desist order is in the draft folder of some MS lawyer's email.
Ubuntu?
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Is There A Way ? To Put Windows 8 On Sony Ericsson X10 ?
Nop. You would probably see it first on iPads/Android Tablets.
You would never see it on an iPad.
GazaIan said:
You would never see it on an iPad.
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There is a project that runs Android on iPhone/iPad. So.. Thought there was a chance to it.
Whatever, just wait and buy it.
mikeeam said:
There is a project that runs Android on iPhone/iPad. So.. Thought there was a chance to it.
Whatever, just wait and buy it.
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Android is open source. Windows isnt. You will never see windows on a non windows device.
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mikeeam said:
There is a project that runs Android on iPhone/iPad. So.. Thought there was a chance to it.
Whatever, just wait and buy it.
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IDroid is forked from Android's open source magic... And additionally, the device needs OpeniBoot to install Android on it. The only two devices with a fully functional OpeniBoot is the iPhone 2G, iPhone 3G, and iPod touch 1G, and they're Android ports are slow as hell (they make low end phones look like gods in comparison) and lack SEVERAL drivers and optimizations needed to decently run Android. Hell, even power management sucks ass, and the device discharges faster than they can charge.
a Windows 8 port would NEVER happen.
--Signed, ex-iOS user
If a W8 port ever somehow came together, it'd end up on nothing but tablets I bet.