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I am using mail2web free service to have my mail pushed to my WM5 device, but I don't like the idea of forwarding my private email to a company I don't know and I don't trust.
Normally I have my email at a home mail server running linux, and I was wondering if there's any open/free solution compatible with directpush technology to replace the need for an exchange 2003 server.
If it does not exist (i have been searching and couldn't find it), what is preventing someone of writing a free replacement? patent issues? authentication issues? I haven't sniffed the protocol yet, but I think it's impossible that no one has thought about it before... wouldn't you like to have your home imap server pushing your inbox to your PocketPC phone? If the protocol is not very obscure it should be easy to write a daemon that does it...
any thoughts or experiences?
Kerio Mail Server has the push compatibility.
Not free though, but it is an alternative to Exchange.
Their latest beta supports it. I reported a bug to them re: contacts getting corrupted but they say they fixed that in the latest build.
Can't retest now since that server is at another site I won't be visiting for a while.
Hmm the directpush "protocol" is pretty trivial it shouldn't be impossible to implement an open alternative.
I installed the latest Kerio MailServer yesterday. It works great!
Especially nice is that it runs on XP as well as Linux. Too bad about the price!
pof, have you had the chance to sniff the protocol?
not yet ivorh, been too busy with many other things, but this is still on the queue
sniffed
Heh, got bored so I setup an exchange account and sniffed the packets.
I'll go through them and post some details when I get a chance.
great ivorh!
Can you attach a capture in pcap format?
update and thoughts
Pof,
Hmm, ok a bit more thinking and digging and I'm not sure implementing an open alternative directly is that useful. Let me explain why:
The direct push only works with the outlook exchange active sync. When the device gets a "direct push" byte, it triggers a sync with exchange - the functionality is tightly bound together, and as far as I can tell you cant dip in and get it to do something else. So to get it working you would need a server providing the exchange http interface. This wouldn't be impossible but would need a lot of effort for little benefit.
I took a look at the open-exchange but that doesn't seem like an ideal solution since it would require a completely different server installed rather than IMAP or POP and as far as I can tell the Outlook connector isn't one of the open-source components anyway.
Now what I'm currently thinking would be a neat workaround would be to implement a custom "direct-push" to basically do exactly the same, have a client app on the device open an http connection to a server running, er, "OpenPush" if you like... use exactly the same technique of a keep-alive connection and occasional heartbeats, but on a message notification on the client get the client to trigger an IMAP pull.
Now this is where I need some advice.... I haven't done any Windows Mobile development yet, so can anyone tell me what sort of API is available to the messaging app? Can you/how do you trigger a mail pull? (oh someone please tell me it's not the same horrible old MAPI interface??).
PS I've just been capturing the data using a simple http proxy actually, I'll make some samples and upload them with descriptions.
Cheers,
Ivor.
http://www.ivor.it
Hi pof,
try funambol. It was formerly known as Sync4j. I once found it when I searched a complete sync solution that I could implement in the mailserver of my company. We are using kolab so I only tried the old Sync4j cause there is a kolab connector available for v2.3.
v3.0 implements (real) Push-Mail. Microsoft Active Push works with a http connection that is opened by the client. Funambol Push-Mail connects to a port the client opens. I didn't want to test any further cause I'm using a Wapflat and thus only get an internal IP and have to use a proxy.
http://www.funambol.com/opensource/
Perhaps this is what you are searching for
What I forgot to say: For funambol you install a java program on your phone wich will insert the received mails in your Pocket Outlook
Yay!
Pof,
Ha! Ok I've whipped up a version 0.0.0 of OpenPush. and it works rather nicely!
Basically it consists of two parts one is an app that runs on the mobile and operates in the same manner as DirectPush. It opens up a socket connection to the server and waits for a notification byte. If it recieves a byte it kicks off a mail retrieval.
The other is a daemon that runs on the server and watches for a change in the users mailbox if it changes (i.e. a mail has arrived) then it pops a byte down the socket.
It just needs finishing now...
Currently the daemon is just an app that listens on a dedicated socket. I plan on turning it into a mod_perl module and using http keep-alive in the same fashion as directpush.
Regards,
Ivor
ivorh, that sounds cool!!
I had a look at funambol but seems too 'bloated' for my needs, I think your OpenPush will be more tight to what I was looking for, so if you want a beta tester just send a link to it
Is there any specific server configuration? I am running a Gentoo server with courier-imap, sendmail and apache2.
Any chance you could extend the daemon so other programs can tie into your new-item notification? It would be cool to write a program that can keep files synchronized over-the-air with a desktop machine using push sychronization.
Pof,
Yeah it's just a prototype at the moment. So I need to write it properly next. At the moment the requirements are simply "perl". It's independent of mail system, it simply monitors a directory/file you give it for changes.
I'm going to write it to be a mod_perl module for various reasons, so the requirements will be just apache and mod_perl.
I'll hack some more tonight and try and get a 0.0.1 ready.
aatreya,
Well I'll keep it simple for now and just doing one job well.
Sound interesting to me.
I am new to this. Pardon me for some questions.
Do I need to buy a server at home?
This server can be any OS?
I am really happy to see some people trying to do just about the same I intended to. Today I started experimenting with Open-Xchange. I also have a Gentoo server that provides an ebuild for Open-Xchange, but after a bit of browsing it just seems like the thing MS Exchange and OX have in common is the similarity of their names. So installing OX and doing all the Exchange stuff with it does not seem to be an option.
So I looked into Funambol - sort of again. About a year ago I already tried to get Sync4J running to sync my SyncML phone. I did not succeed, but that just makes me eager to try it harder this time.
I also have to use a Proxy-Server for my GPRS connection but I want to have it working via WLAN, too, hence without proxy and the whole tunneling disco.
PS: Ivor, I am glad to meet You once again. When our roads crossed the last time, You just figured out how to get the CLE266 MPEG2 stuff working, respect!
A very rough pre-alpha version should be ready this weekend. I can only apologise in advance for the quality of my WM5 app!
But it's "working for me".
CWKJ,
At the moment the "server" is a simply perl app that watches for changes to a directory or file so its pretty portable. I run it on linux since that's what my mailserver is on.
As for needing a server at home... well its entirely up to you, really you want the server running wherever your mail is retrieved from.
If the app/system gets a bit more polished and advanced you might even find independent ISP's willing to add it as a service.
rabinath,
Heh! Small world.
I'd also like to be considered for Beta testing when available,
I run Ubuntu 5.10 Server at home, hosting 5 domains for myself, and would Love to not have to forward them through mail2web anymore as I don't like to reply because it will go through Mail2Web. I know I can create a separate "account" in Pocket Outlook but you can only have 5. I need more than that...
with direct push over the o2 wap proxy all https conections are closed after 2 min. this is becausse all 2 minutes a new sync is needed. This eats much battery. So why is it nnot possible to mak e a ppc client that just sends the current ip adsress to the client on the server. and the server just push the email to the known ip adress. The client on ppc just has to send a new ip in case it changes. this wouldt be much better for battery life.
Thats the reason Exchange-Activesync works the way that it does. The server sends out a text message that is handled at the system level on the PPC, and this is basically an instruction to sync with the server. No unneeded traffic just to check if there is anything new.
Most Celllar service providers are using NAT technology so reporting your IP address to a server and telling it to make a connection to that IP, would just be telling the server to connect to the "gateway" back into the Cellular network. A text message sent to what is called the "SMTP Gateway" for each service provider will get to the phone no matter if the phones IP changes.
Hi All,
Does anyone know of a SQL client for Android? Just something for running basic queries when I need to check on a system and can't be arsed waiting for a computer to boot up. The databases I use are MS SQL Server.
I've searched about and can't find anything. I've also had a look at the dev docs for Android and it looks like it should be straight forward using the java.sql class but unfortunately Java isn't in my skill set at the moment and the day job & life in general doesn't leave me with much time to learn it.
If there isn't a program does anyone have any plans to write one ;-)
Cheers
Keith
Anyone ???
It'd be pretty darn insecure to open up your databases to use a remote client like that, why not just use something like phpmyadmin for it? It runs fine in the android browser and theres tons of alternatives that probably have iphone themes that would work great. Alternatively you could get debian set up and grab one of the hundreds of apps to do it in the repository
I need this as well. I'm constantly on SQL Enterprise Manager on my PC and when mobile, I have to teamviewer to my desktop and run queries there, which is such a torture.
I've bought RemoteDB, which I can't seem to get to work properly, I can't switch databases and the connection registry is very confusing.
Anybody?!
Also interested
I'm also interested in this topic.
As far as opening your db's up to the internet, that's a bogus argument. Anyone remotely managing enterprise databases will be using a vpn tunnel, and not the open web.
Having an Android app to connect to Microsoft SQL and Oracle would be extremely helpful. I've been trying to figure out how to mod Oracle's SQLDeveloper to do just that but without any success so far.
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Hi Guys
I looked for something like this for a while as well, and couldn't find anything that did what I wanted, so I made one myself
Key features I wanted are the following
Be able to connect directly to a db server. I used the jdts jdbc driver for Java to get this right
Be able to connect to any SQL Server db. I'll add support for Postgres and MySQL if this gains any popularity
List of all databases on the server (excluding system dbs) and allow you to quickly switch between them
List tables in the currently selected db, and generate Select statements for them
List stored procedures in the currently selected db, and pull the code for them so you can change it
Use a tabbed interface for the different sql queries, to allow you to run many queries at once
This is all done and works really well. Large queries take longer to run than they would on a pc, but they run nonetheless.
Let me know what you think, and feel free to suggest features. If enough people like it and use it, I'll bite the bullet and buy the developer so I can publish it on the Play store
I hope you enjoy it
ps. The installer is signed with the standard testing key, so you will need to go into your settings and allow applications from unknown sources
pps. I ask for internet access to get access to the network sockets, but dont actually connect to the internet.
danegoodwin -
I've downloaded it and played with it a bit - looks good. One feature I'd suggest off the top is storing the connection info. It's a pain having to enter the server address and username each time.
If you are still looking for a SQL client I had written one as well.
It should cover most of the popular databases and works well with tablets and phones.
SQLTool Pro
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nraboy.sqltool
I'm also open to suggestions and questions if anyone decides to give it a try.
nraboy said:
If you are still looking for a SQL client I had written one as well.
It should cover most of the popular databases and works well with tablets and phones.
SQLTool Pro
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nraboy.sqltool
I'm also open to suggestions and questions if anyone decides to give it a try.
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so, this one does BOTH MySQL and MS SQL, and, your other one *just* MySQL ?
thanks, anyone
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so, this one does BOTH MySQL and MS SQL, and, your other one *just* MySQL ?
thanks, anyone
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Correct. The pro version will handle MySQL, MS SQL, PostgreSQL, Sybase, and Oracle up to version 10.1.
The MySQL version is strictly MySQL.
nraboy said:
Correct. The pro version will handle MySQL, MS SQL, PostgreSQL, Sybase, and Oracle up to version 10.1.
The MySQL version is strictly MySQL.
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thanks for reply (and for nice app!)
nice, looks good... even better, seems to work well....connected to remote MySQL OK
suggestion: please auto-suggest correct ports for relevant SQLs
so, editing can only be done via queries ? (time to learn SQL syntax..?)
next, I'll try connecting to MS SQL, whilst I know a tiny bit about MySQL, I know nothing about MS, might be asking for help...
Nic,
need some help, if you can:
having issues with MS SQL, MS SQL is on a cloud server, for all I know, port could be blocked..
I've setup definition with port 1433, get 'failed to connect'
how to t/s outside of the app ?
should "telnet host 1433 " work ?
I'm getting
# telnet mssql2008.xx.yy 1433
Trying 202.111.22.33...
telnet: connect to address 202.111.22.33: Connection timed out
what else can I try ?
thanks for any pointers!
abbots said:
thanks for reply (and for nice app!)
nice, looks good... even better, seems to work well....connected to remote MySQL OK
suggestion: please auto-suggest correct ports for relevant SQLs
so, editing can only be done via queries ? (time to learn SQL syntax..?)
next, I'll try connecting to MS SQL, whilst I know a tiny bit about MySQL, I know nothing about MS, might be asking for help...
Nic,
need some help, if you can:
having issues with MS SQL, MS SQL is on a cloud server, for all I know, port could be blocked..
I've setup definition with port 1433, get 'failed to connect'
how to t/s outside of the app ?
should "telnet host 1433 " work ?
I'm getting
# telnet mssql2008.xx.yy 1433
Trying 202.111.22.33...
telnet: connect to address 202.111.22.33: Connection timed out
what else can I try ?
thanks for any pointers!
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Hinting a default port is a good idea. I will see about adding in an upcoming release.
Yes right now anything beyond a simple select or delete must be done with a custom query. My goal is to make it more like the desktop editors, but since I am the only developer it might take a while. But I am not saying it won't happen.
If telnet is failing to connect then there is a firewall rule blocking your IP. Three things could fix this.
1. Add your IP to the database allow list (talk to the DBA)
2. If you can connect to the network the DB is on via VPN then you should. The db might be restricted to local IP
3. Use the SSH features of SQLTool to connect to a server on the databases allow list
You were smart to try the telnet. I would have done the same thing.
Feel free to contact me here or through the tools site. I'm happy to help
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You were smart to try the telnet. I would have done the same thing.
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ahem, not that smart.....
forgot to specify sql type...... ooops
suggestion: don't allow save unless all req. stuff filled in...
OK, I seem to be in.
can I dump/backup with this app ?
thanks.
decent app, well done, wish you success in further development, if I can help in any way, happy to try
now I need to figure out how to dump this MS SQL into my Linux machine
abbots said:
ahem, not that smart.....
forgot to specify sql type...... ooops
suggestion: don't allow save unless all req. stuff filled in...
OK, I seem to be in.
can I dump/backup with this app ?
thanks.
decent app, well done, wish you success in further development, if I can help in any way, happy to try
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Nice catch on the SQL Type. I will work to correct that.
For dump / backup are you referring to data or structure or both? Right now I have exporting DDL on my things to do list, but if you're referring to something else I'd like to hear it.
Thanks for the compliments on my app. I definitely want to hear more suggestions if you have them. Also please don't forget to rate well when you get a chance
Hi *,
From a long time i'm trying to find a rom for Magic 32B be used for work.
My needs is to have a rom with ActiveSync (Mail, Calendar and Contacts) and, if possible, lookup in the "GAL" of Microsoft Exchange.
I know many software for these features, but it's possible inclusion in a rom?
Thanks in advance!
Ale
Back in the day Eclair ROMs required you to sync your email, contacts, ect. through exchange because Google sign-in was broken. Now-a-days, the sign-in is working, but still. Point of it all is that any Eclair ROM will do what your asking. Just go to the G1 Android Development section here at XDA and find any Android 2.1 ROM you like, then go for it.
DarkOne951 said:
Back in the day Eclair ROMs required you to sync your email, contacts, ect. through exchange because Google sign-in was broken. Now-a-days, the sign-in is working, but still. Point of it all is that any Eclair ROM will do what your asking. Just go to the G1 Android Development section here at XDA and find any Android 2.1 ROM you like, then go for it.
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Thanks for the reply.
Android 2.1 ROM sync ONLY Email and Contacts. NO CALENDAR
ckale82 said:
if possible, lookup in the "GAL" of Microsoft Exchange.
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I haven't seen any rom you can do that in ...
1.6 roms seem to use the 'work email' app which is an adapted version of the htc mail app from non-google branded htc devices.
2.x roms have native exchange support, mail and contacts sync only.
I believe you could get what you're looking from the market but you'll probably have to get your wallet out and pay.
But.... the old rom 1.5 with HTC framework had this features... or i'm crazy?
ckale82 said:
But.... the old rom 1.5 with HTC framework had this features... or i'm crazy?
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That's what I thought too. However I never had a need for it and only basic needs for exchange. gmail for sure did calendar sync.
You'll want to go 3rd party and get a fancy one anyway. Should be worth the money if the feature set is important (not withstanding my opinion).
st0kes said:
I haven't seen any rom you can do that
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But.... the old rom 1.5 with HTC framework had this features... or i'm crazy?
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yep. the old 1.5 rom with htc framework does exactly this.
i know, because i still use 1.5 for just this reason.
the best rom you'll find that does this without any need for third party apps etc is enomther's the original rogers rom. (not to be confused with his the original donut roms.)
you'll find it in the G1 development forum.
in order to use GAL addresses, you have to use "add receipient" to fill out the "to" field when doing an email. then you can choose between "contacts" (google) or "company" (GAL).
you can't browse the GAL as far as i am aware, but you can search it.
EDIT: by the way, it does full exchange sync. emails, contacts and calendar.
you can get a 2.1 rom and flash the moto apps from droid that includes gal, corporate calendar. that is what i am using now.
you can purchase touchdown and it does everything you ask
on any version you want
includes searchable GAL
I trial a HEAP of different phones for work and this is pretty much what it comes down to when you are talking business use.
While i love the Android and have a N1 myself it falls over on some MAJOR areas.
1: No Client side cert capability.
2: No Encryption
3: No Group Policy Abilities
4: No Remote Wipe of the device
5: Not FIPS rated (no encryption)
The Google phone is great, i love it over an Iphone but until these issues are sorted I would NOT recommend these for business use. As far as personal phones go they are awesome !
The only phones that are correctly rated for use as far as encryption and GPO are unfortunately WM6 and WM6.5 I HATE these phones cant stand them but they are (Believe it or not) the most secure ! Lets hope when the Iphone releases their new OS in the next month or so they may become a more realistic player in the business market.
Or (Fingers crossed) Google and Droid do some real work into making these phones more secure.. If they did i know they would be more popular with the business community !
G.
A.
gymmy said:
I trial a HEAP of different phones for work and this is pretty much what it comes down to when you are talking business use.
While i love the Android and have a N1 myself it falls over on some MAJOR areas.
1: No Client side cert capability.
2: No Encryption
3: No Group Policy Abilities
4: No Remote Wipe of the device
5: Not FIPS rated (no encryption)
The Google phone is great, i love it over an Iphone but until these issues are sorted I would NOT recommend these for business use. As far as personal phones go they are awesome !
The only phones that are correctly rated for use as far as encryption and GPO are unfortunately WM6 and WM6.5 I HATE these phones cant stand them but they are (Believe it or not) the most secure ! Lets hope when the Iphone releases their new OS in the next month or so they may become a more realistic player in the business market.
Or (Fingers crossed) Google and Droid do some real work into making these phones more secure.. If they did i know they would be more popular with the business community !
G.
A.
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umm android has all those through applications available in the market ....
What are moto apps
markkohfm said:
you can get a 2.1 rom and flash the moto apps from droid that includes gal, corporate calendar. that is what i am using now.
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What are moto apps - can' seem to find it searching on xda... If anyone could enlighten me, I would appreciate it.
I whole-heartedly recommend Nitrodesk TouchDown. It's a kick-ass app for Exchange. You get push updates for Mail, Calendar, etc.
It might seem expensive relative to your average mini-app, but you have to keep in mind that this is way more useful than those.
My employer's MS exchange set-up incorporates security pin that none of the Android ROMs support - that I'm aware off! I'm currently on day 20 of the 30 day trial with Touchdown and really am impressed. It supports mail, calendar and contacts with GAL and most importantly for me I can finally log on because of the pin security support. The iPhone supports this too however the pin is required every time you want to use it for any app whereas on Android you enter the pin when launching Touchdown. Worth the $20 imo
BigRD said:
My employer's MS exchange set-up incorporates security pin that none of the Android ROMs support - that I'm aware off! I'm currently on day 20 of the 30 day trial with Touchdown and really am impressed. It supports mail, calendar and contacts with GAL and most importantly for me I can finally log on because of the pin security support. The iPhone supports this too however the pin is required every time you want to use it for any app whereas on Android you enter the pin when launching Touchdown. Worth the $20 imo
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glad we reached a consensus that business users need to stop whining about exchange and drop 20$ for touchdown
is really a stellar exchange client
hopefully there will not always be a need for this as it should be part of the base OS
FYI
The only thing that is needed comparing from the touchdown app to any Android OS to have full Exchange support is to fetch the Active Sync certificates forced by the enterprise security policy.
The enterprise I work for, doesn't use the Active Sync certificates forced and runs on Exchange server 2007. No issues with the Exchange Android OS. No touchdown needed.
The partner who we support has to fetch the certificates and runs on Exchange server 2003. Now, they will migrate everything to Exchange 2007..., than I want to see what will happen because they will keep the security policy or adapt it to the new infra. I'm using the touchdown, because otherwise I'll have my account locked on the Radius server.
iPhone's are even more limited. To sync an iPhone with my partner Exchange server 2003, you need the following:
- On the Inbox folder have less than 500Mb
- Be over the OS version 3.x.x
- If you make a NT password reset, you have to re-create the profile and sometimes hope for a miracle or change the domain to the complete address or insert it on the username.
Once again on the Exchange 2007, no issues.
I had the same issue with android because I use exchange calendar and mail.
CursorSense has exchange calendar, it is 1.5, but works very smooth for me. The main problem was the initially pin, I had to call my exchange IT person to remove that security so I can use it. Otherwise, you are out of luck.
I've never had success with android 1.6. I've tried the Moto apk, and many other names, adb push it to the phone, and it just doens't work. So, for me, 1.6 has no exchange calendar, but only email.
As for 2.1, it does support exchange calendar. But I'm waiting a faster rom to start using it. In the meantime, I use touchdown, which is WAYYYY better than the native software from android. The widget actually works!! The widget from android in 2.1 includes Email and Calendar, but none of them refreshes the information all the time, so you will actually have to go in the email account to see new email, and your calendar to see new updates. With Touchdown, the widget is easier to use and it updates quickly. It is too expensive, I agree.
There is another app, called Roadsync, but I don't like the UI.
ricardomega said:
FYI
The only thing that is needed comparing from the touchdown app to any Android OS to have full Exchange support is to fetch the Active Sync certificates forced by the enterprise security policy
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Well, that is down to the business running Exchange, not anything to do with Android ... enterprises should be using universally trusted certificates.
If you get a certificate error in activesync it means your exchange admin bought a cheap SSL certificate that your device doesn't trust.
Not agreed.
Ref. 1 (Wiki):
Remote Authentication Dial In User Service (RADIUS) is a networking protocol that provides centralized Authentication, Authorization, and Accounting (AAA) management for computers to connect and use a network service. RADIUS was developed by Livingston Enterprises, Inc., in 1991 as an access server authentication and accounting protocol and later brought into the IETF standards.[1]
Because of the broad support and the ubiquitous nature of the RADIUS protocol, it is often used by ISPs and enterprises to manage access to the Internet or internal networks, wireless networks, and integrated e-mail services. These networks may incorporate modems, DSL, access points, VPNs, network ports, web servers, etc.[2]
RADIUS is a client/server protocol that runs in the application layer, using UDP as transport. The Remote Access Server, the Virtual Private Network server, the Network switch with port-based authentication, and the Network Access Server, are all gateways that control access to the network, and all have a RADIUS client component that communicates with the RADIUS server. The RADIUS server is usually a background process running on a UNIX or Windows NT machine.[3] RADIUS serves three functions:
to authenticate users or devices before granting them access to a network,
to authorize those users or devices for certain network services and
to account for usage of those services.
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This is GOOD. IT MEANS SECURITY.
Talking about universally trusted certificates... if the windows mobile since 5.1 version and other devices exchange services (like Symbian S60 devices up and others) work flawless ... our new gadgets are the one's who doesn't work ...
The partner that I was speaking are leaders on their security division product for decades.
Sorry, but please point out the Apps.
1: Client side cert import for access to company websites ?
2: Encryption which is FIPS 104-2 certified
3: Group Policy enforcement
Touchdown does work, but its not just exchange email which uses certification
My Mom is thinking about getting the Driod X. Her company said that only the iPhone and blackberries will sync with their exchange server. She currently has a blackberry now but it is not hooked up to the email server because they are making her pay the $15 a month for the corporate email. She would like to get her email without the extra cost so she is thinking about an android phone.
From my reading 2.2 fully supports exchange now but when the Verizon store called my mom's IT department to set up her email for her they said that it and all other Android phones are not supported. Needless to say she canceled that purchase.
My question is, is this true? If it is then are their ways around this?
I have an Evo and it works with my exchange server but I am pretty sure my company allows non provisioned devices to sync.
All lies. Just sounds like her IT department just doesn't want to support her and her Android.
If she knows how to get into her Exchange account via web..she can configure it herself. On the phone, just setup an account for Exchange, plug in username, password, mail server, and domain. Very easy setup.
Mail Server and Domain comes right from her web access address like...
https://mail.company.com
mail.company.com = mail server
company.com = domain
The address to her web account is the only variable. If she has never used it...get her to ask IT guys what it is. She can say so she can check her mail from home. If they are already supporting iPhones...Androids will come in on ActiveSync the same way. IT guys will never know the difference...unless they are network nazis that toggle Active-Sync on/off per user.
I mean they can go in and disable the mobile services in the Exchange tab in AD but i doubt they would do that for every user. I did try her account on my evo once but i didn't get it to work. Maybe i fat fingered something, idk. I need to test it again and maybe try touchdown. $20 one time fee is better than $15 a month and a new blackberry that is already out of date.
Does anyone have a Droid X with a nazi type IT department that can share some info? You guys are on Froyo by now right?
Ya best thing to do is try again on your Evo and verify all her settings. Using Touchdown instead of the built-in app is not going to make any difference. Either they will have her Active-Sync locked down or not.
I don't limit access to our Exchange and have connected some Xs (2.1) and several Incredibles (2.1/2.2).
I am working hard break all our Crackberry addicts, and I'm slowly getting there. I would love nothing more than to shutdown our Blackberry server for good.
Good Luck!
I'm not an exchange admin, but I think its either lies or stupidity
Exchange for android has the same remote wiping capabilities as the iphone I believe. Some companies are concerned about this enterprise functionality in case the user loses their personal phone.
Anyways, an exchange admin has to permit you to use a cell phone, unless they have it wide open. If you can get them to enable it for "iphone" it should also work for android.
you can even log into owa and wipe the phone remotely yourself if you want.
it does identify the type of phone you have though, so they will be able to tell you are not using an iphone.
there might be some reasoning behind them blocking android I am curious
Exchange Is Doable Even On 2.1
I currently have a Droid X. I exchanged it from a Droid 2 because I wanted the bigger screen and more SD memory. In any case, my company uses a hosted Exchange provider. Since I'm the lead System Admin, they had to give me an account that allows for Exchange to work with my Droid. Hell, most of the Senior IT Managers are already using the Incredible.
The bottom line is that the Exchange administrator can allow for a phone to access, just the same way as OWA works for remote users. Since mine is hosted, it cost the company $5 to give me an account allotment. However, if her Exchange server is in-house, then they should be able to provide access for her without any cost. Droid works fine with Exchange. I heard rumours that one of the delays for giving us X users the 2.2 update had something to do with Exchange - maybe they're trying to include Active Sync. However, my phone syncs fine already without Active Sync. So any statement that Droids and Exchange don't get along is a blatant lie or a sorry excuse - and that's coming from a total Noob.
I'd guess that perhaps her company is using a self signed certificate. In earlier versions (dont remember exactly which) of Android there was no "accept all certificates" option and a self signed cert would "fail" auth and not work. In at least 2.1 forward there is now an option for that. I used to have to use touchdown for this exact reason.
/my experience = network/system/exchange administrator.
Unless they explicitly blocked Android with isa or similar then they simply don't know what they are talking about.
Edit: it wasnt until 2.0 that this feature was added to stock email app. I am willing to bet money this is/was the issue.
Deyez said:
https://mail.company.com
mail.company.com = mail server
company.com = domain
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That's not necessarily true. Mail server, yes but domain no. I would ask them the domain too as they could have named it anything they want (of course other easyways to find it too, but by the sounds of it they aren't saying they wouldn't let her just that it "won't work" which isn't true, so just have her ask.)
It could be that it is because the phone is still on 2.1 which isn't fully supported by exchange.
I actually hate the name "droid" because some people use it for all android phones and others for the Motorola android phones. My mom calls them all Droids and maybe the IT department says that because to them the Droid wasn't supported which had 2.1 and they just don't know the difference or anything about android 2.2
If they can see what type of phone it is then telling them it is an iPhone and then activating a Droid would probably piss them off and she doesn't want to do that.
Android 2.01 and above supported exchange. I believe 2.01 had some issues with self-signed certificates (I had a Droid 1 and took it back largely because of this ... I have a self-signed Exchange server and I had issues with attachments - but mail & contacts came through fine).
2.1 Improved exchange support and 2.2 is supposed to be even better (I've Froyo'd my X and haven't noticed any difference in my exchange experience)
How did you froyo your x???!!! Its not out yet on verizon.
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avirnig said:
How did you froyo your x???!!! Its not out yet on verizon.
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Leak has been out for a while. Heck, the second leak just popped up over the weekend.
See original thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=758907
I am trying to find her external email server address with no luck. The webmail address she has only works when she is connected to her VPN. When she is outside of the VPN that owa address doesn't work in any browser. So how can I find the external webserver address only knowing the email address?
Sounds to me like owa is turned on but not accessible outside of your companies firewall. If that's the case you are probably out of luck.
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The company had people with iPhones so it can't be entirely turned off. I think that they have an internal webmail address which would require the VPN and then an external webmail address which would work for phones.
Android pre 2.2 did not fully support all of the exchange security features so its not really a "lie" per say.
We use encryption and remote device wipe and all the security featuers to "lock down" our devices if they are lost / stolen because they could contain PHI.
If you have any phone with Android 2.2+ it should integrate seamlessly with exchange now so there is no reason to not allow the devices on the network unless they just made their own company policy saying so.
I'm not an iphone expert by any means, but I think iphones (pre-ios4.0) use some kind of enterprise sever like blackberry.
That server may be outside the firewall.
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I have searched high.. and I have searched LOW... and I can find no solution for this problem:
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Well the thing is I tried several browsers.
1. The default one that comes with Android
2. Opera mini
3. DolphinHD
All same thing. I'm now going to test with a beta build of Firefox for android (fennero was it called I forget) but its SUCH a stupid thing to not work. Every other device WORKS. Blackberries, Iphones, tablets, laptops....everything.
EDIT: The EXACT error I get is:
"There is a problem with the security certificate for this site. This certificate is not from a trusted authority." I get this AS it attempts to load the redirect login page (both university and at work now). Same issue. It's browser/certificate related. And its ANNOYING as hell.
EDIT 2: Found the problem. It's that stupid certificate.
"This is a result of your corporation using an in house Certificate Authority to provide SSL encryption on your mail server and clients.
Basically....the computer that issued the certificate isn't trusted by the android phone. I'm new to android so I'm not sure if you can add a trusted CA (I haven't seen any options for it).
I don't know about future updates like the above poster mentioned.
Most companies will purchase a certificate from one of the major Certificate Authorities on the internet, which are pre-programed into most operating systems to be trusted. Internal CA's are trusted by the domain environment at your work, but not by anyone else. External (Internet) CA's are trusted by everyone.
if you want an example, open up IE (gross I know) and go to your options. Click the content tab, then there should be a button label certificates. inside the certificates window select Trusted Root Certification Authorities.
That is a list of all the builtin trusted CA's provided by Microsoft and the companies that govern the internet. "
I STILL have no idea how to fix it and to make the phone accept the certificate though.
EDIT 3: Fennec (Mozilla Firefox for Android beta) managed to pull up the login page for my work network. Not sure if it will work for the university yet.
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I can't use firefox because the Galaxy 3 isn't supported. (Hence, why I'm asking in the Galaxy 3 section.)
But there MUST be a way to accept a simple TOS.
Maybe an AP? Or a script that can be written?
I've rooted my phone... Maybe I can find a way to add the McDonald's certificate?
HELP!
Oh come now..
Sixty views, somebody could at least take a JAB at it.
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Oh come now..
Sixty views, somebody could at least take a JAB at it.
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Alright the hell with it... I'LL take a jab at it:
I can't load the McDonald's site because Android doesn't like their certificate. So all I should have to do is add the McDonald's certificate to the list of sites that Android accepts and it should be sugar in the gas tank right?
So where is this list held?