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wrong specs?

As I understand the epic is supposed to have 1 GB of internal ROM and 512 MB of RAM as is shown here: http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SPH-D700ZKASPR-features
However when i go to samsung's program manager under summary tab it says i have total of 325 MB RAM and 498 MB internal storage. Is everyone else matching my specs? so confused

my internal memory reads 498
That page reads
16GB ROM/512MB RAM

its right but apparently some was taken for the lag?

Remember that some of the internal memory is not usable by the user because it is allocated to hold information about your file structure and formatting. It shouldn't be that much space though...

It does come with 512 ram some is fixed allocation most likely to fix the lag so what is left over is 325.

Welcome to userland.

498 mb is the actual mb when you do the math in kb. but they can sell it as 512 just like hard drives and any other storage you never get full spec. as far as the 325 reamaining well apps and all other stuff need mb to store, sprint apps take ALOT of room.

I remember reading somewhere the froyo update addresses this somehow.
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GXnext said:
I remember reading somewhere the froyo update addresses this somehow.
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Yeah, it turns 325MB to 304MB, according to Galaxy S owners in Europe. So for some reason we get even less RAM

Can Nexus S use 16 GB for apps?

Since it's internal memory, can/will all 16 GB be used for apps?

Nope, it's partitioned. Something like 2gb is partitioned for apps, and the rest shows up just like an sd card would.

uansari1 said:
Nope, it's partitioned. Something like 2gb is partitioned for apps, and the rest shows up just like an sd card would.
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Interesting. But at least then, is it an actual 2GB? Because that's still a hell of a lot more than the ~200 MB I have currently.

uansari1 said:
Nope, it's partitioned. Something like 2gb is partitioned for apps, and the rest shows up just like an sd card would.
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Ah, interesting. I just asked a question in another thread wondering if we could EXT partition the built in memory, but if they section out space that is awesome, especially if it's 2GB as my current EXT is 1GB and it's not even near full.

lol..I think we're the same group asking the same questions.
Doesnt seem anyone is certain. Problem again is forward thinking. 2gig Enough now ? Sure...but what if I want to cache a crap ton of maps ? What if all this 3d/opengl nonsense actually does help game devs what then...games will get larger and larger. Will it be enough for 6 months or a year from now ?

This is exactly how rumors start. When has google or samsung said that the Nexus S will only have 2gb for apps?

sstang2006 said:
This is exactly how rumors start. When has google or samsung said that the Nexus S will only have 2gb for apps?
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While it is true no one stated this officially.... the captivate does this exact thing. 16gb built in with 2gb squared off for app storage.

xManMythLegend said:
lol..I think we're the same group asking the same questions.
Doesnt seem anyone is certain. Problem again is forward thinking. 2gig Enough now ? Sure...but what if I want to cache a crap ton of maps ? What if all this 3d/opengl nonsense actually does help game devs what then...games will get larger and larger. Will it be enough for 6 months or a year from now ?
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Lol, anyone remembers this game in progress?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRDmY0H72r8
It's supposed to have 1 GB of game data.

lostinbeta said:
While it is true no one stated this officially.... the captivate does this exact thing. 16gb built in with 2gb squared off for app storage.
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I can't remember where I read that the iNand is partitioned. I can't find the source now... I thought it was the Techcrunch review of the Engadget preview, but no dice. If I'm wrong, then I'm guessing it's on large partition with a .secure folder like Froyo.

Look at this picture from Engadget. I am guessing from this, it is just 1 GB for the apps.
http://www.engadget.com/photos/google-nexus-s-hands-on/#3644045
Edit: To be precise, it is the picture 44 of 53.

subramanianv said:
Look at this picture from Engadget. I am guessing from this, it is just 1 GB for the apps.
http://www.engadget.com/photos/google-nexus-s-hands-on/#3644045
Edit: To be precise, it is the picture 44 of 53.
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16GB and they only let us use 1GB to store apps? What do they expect us to do with the other 15?

Mokurex said:
16GB and they only let us use 1GB to store apps? What do they expect us to do with the other 15?
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If you're using the phone as a media player, 16gb is definitely not enough for songs and videos and ebooks. What about photos? Not to mention map cache files for any navigation app you are using.
That's why some of us need removable storage...

what I really don't get is that flash memory is pretty damn cheap...why don't they go for broke with the storage?

Mokurex said:
16GB and they only let us use 1GB to store apps? What do they expect us to do with the other 15?
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Who cares? 1 GB is still 5 times more than what I have now.
By the time that becomes a limiting factor for me, it'll be time to upgrade again
Is this how all Galaxy S phones currently work? 1 GB of app space? Does anyone have one handy?

Paul22000 said:
Who cares? 1 GB is still 5 times more than what I have now.
By the time that becomes a limiting factor for me, it'll be time to upgrade again
Is this how all Galaxy S phones currently work? 1 GB of app space? Does anyone have one handy?
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I had a captivate (but got rid of it to get a nexus one) and you do get 2gb of app storage. I had about 200 or so apps installed with about a gb left.
With the n1 with dark's a2sd, I had to cut back on a lot of apps, about 130 now, and about 30mb left on the phone. Without darktremor's a2sd, i would probably only get 50 or so [small] apps

Mokurex said:
16GB and they only let us use 1GB to store apps? What do they expect us to do with the other 15?
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Don't worry, xda will have a partition hack in about 2 days after release

1GB for apps/cache is a lot.
I currently have ~700MB partitioned off for apps2sdext. With the cache moved to this partition along with apps and app-data, I'm 68% full. This is with 213 apps.
Remember that games usually use the sdcard for their files.
Code:
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
tmpfs 208156 12 208144 0% /dev
tmpfs 208156 0 208156 0% /mnt/asec
/dev/block/mtdblock3 148480 114004 34476 77% /system
/dev/block/mtdblock5 200960 138912 62048 69% /data
/dev/block/mtdblock4 97280 3168 94112 3% /cache
/dev/block/mmcblk0p2 702873 450251 215122 68% /sd-ext

Paul22000 said:
Interesting. But at least then, is it an actual 2GB? Because that's still a hell of a lot more than the ~200 MB I have currently.
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It should have a huge amount of app storage, because apps can be installed on the data partition and the SD card/storage partition. It's probably about 200MB for the system partition, the rest can be used for app storage. On the Galaxy S phones and Galaxy Tab running 2.2, which have SD slots, you can install apps either on the data partition or the internal storage, not the SD card.

subramanianv said:
Look at this picture from Engadget. I am guessing from this, it is just 1 GB for the apps.
http://www.engadget.com/photos/google-nexus-s-hands-on/#3644045
Edit: To be precise, it is the picture 44 of 53.
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Yep, 1gig for internal storage (for app installs/etc..), and 14gigs for internal "external" storage.
Odd because other Galaxy S phones (Captivate/Vibrant), has 2 gigs for Internal Storage and 14 gigs of internal "external" storage.

[Q] HTC EVO Shift Defective??

So I bought my HTC Shift 4G but i think it's Defective. I've called HTC, Sprint, and Bestbuy. The 3 companies say the Phone Has 2 GB Internal Memory(ROM). However my Phone only shows 432MB :
203 MB Apps
69. MB System
159.6 MB Free space
Could it be Defective or They just don't know what they saying.
Would u guys tell me if ur devices are showing the same ??
I bought this phone cuz the 2GB. I'd hate to return it and get the big EPIC!!
thanks!!

I got 431 for applications(internal storage)

I figure the rest is system reserved by the fellows at HTC. That is where the OS/kernel is located. Probably locked away/system mountable only, to prevent us from obtaining root. ( any of you fellows who know better can feel free to correct me.) Just based on knowledge of linux etc. Not much in depth on the droid
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I'm pretty sure it does in fact have 2GB of internal memory, however it seems like a big chunk of that is taken up by the operating system and maybe some is reserved for system storage/app caches/etc. Not 100% sure but I think that's why.

dansal28 said:
So I bought my HTC Shift 4G but i think it's Defective. I've called HTC, Sprint, and Bestbuy. The 3 companies say the Phone Has 2 GB Internal Memory(ROM). However my Phone only shows 432MB :
203 MB Apps
69. MB System
159.6 MB Free space
Could it be Defective or They just don't know what they saying.
Would u guys tell me if ur devices are showing the same ??
I bought this phone cuz the 2GB. I'd hate to return it and get the big EPIC!!
thanks!!
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They are referring to the 2GB SD card thar comes with the phone.

cloverdale said:
They are referring to the 2GB SD card thar comes with the phone.
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yep.
Guess you take it back and get an epic.

That's not actually not true, they claimed that the evo only had 1gb of internal memory but came with a 8gig sd card, disproving your theory right there.
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akmzero said:
That's not actually not true, they claimed that the evo only had 1gb of internal memory but came with a 8gig sd card, disproving your theory right there.
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Disproving what theory?

Heelfan71 said:
yep.
Guess you take it back and get an epic.
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Yeah what he said.
No conspiracy theories, just information...

Check here: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2946
It gives you the specs.

This is what I got from Root Explorer:
/app-cache - 4k used, 8.00MB free
/cache - 31.21MB used, 111.01MB free
/data - 351.02MB used, 80.70MB free
/dev - 12K used, 186.59 MB free
/devlog - 4.04MB used, 15.82MB free
/etc - 288.83MB used, 102.53MB free
/system - 288.83MB used, 102.53MB free
I'm not a dev so can't interpret it correctly but it does seem there's lots of memory here and there that could probably be partitioned to the /data folder for more app storage once perm root is achieved.
EDIT: I've removed lots of stock apps so your numbers will not match mine.

The first Shift that I picked up from Best Buy was indeed defective. Not because it wasn't showing the proper amount of memory, but because it locked up on me 5 times in the first hour that I had it. All I could do to get it to turn off is battery pull, and then when I put the battery back in i had a really tough time getting it to turn back on. They swapped it out for me, and my new one has been flawless.

i'm wondering (don't quote me on this) if the extra internal storage is hidden/locked by HTC so there will be room available when the new sense drops? i've heard it's a lot bigger than the current version with the stand-alone navigation/maps that it's going to bring with it.
Has anyone ripped one apart and checked all of the chips on board?

I would take it back to the store and exchange it.
Phone should have around 256mb for apps (With all the stock apps installed)

G2 Internal memory

So we all know tmobile was lying about the 4gb internal memory available (should have been @ least 8 in the first place anyways) and instead we see around 1.5 or so. I'm just wandering if the dev/hackers are looking into a way to counter this and unlock the extra internal memory were supposed to have from stock.

There is no way to unlock the extra memory, it's set like that in the factory. See the Wiki for a detailed explanation.
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if they can find a way to repartition the 1.5GB into 4GB, which i think is impossible. The wiki explains a lot.

d12unk13astard said:
So we all know tmobile was lying about the 4gb internal memory available (should have been @ least 8 in the first place anyways) and instead we see around 1.5 or so. I'm just wandering if the dev/hackers are looking into a way to counter this and unlock the extra internal memory were supposed to have from stock.
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They did not lie there is that much its just being used for differnt functions dont get your panties in a twist kiddo

ionic7 said:
They did not lie there is that much its just being used for differnt functions dont get your panties in a twist kiddo
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No, it actually *IS* a lie.
The physical part is capable of being 4GB, but half of it was sacrificed **permanently** in order to boost performance and integrity.
There is more than 1.5 available though, its actually about 2.1 total available, 1.5 of which is in the USERDATA partition, the rest is in the SYSTEM and other partitions.

Full explanation located in Wiki
If anyone wants the details on the magically "missing" 2Gb of memory, there is a good explanation in the Wiki.
The consensus is that the hardware has 4Gb but it is permanently partitioned to serve as a 2Gb device with good redundancy and speed.
Explanation: The "missing" 2Gb

Wow, this whole missing memory theme won't ever die, I wish it would already.

Do you think Xoom 1GB internal memory is enough?

I keep asking this question, how big is the space for apps?
But got no answer from anywhere.
Well, I searched and searched, found this:
http://xperiaandroid.com/motorola-xoom-specs-and-release-date.html
" ... Xoom is armed with dual core processors have speed of 1 GHz. In addition, Xoom also powered by a internal memory 1 GB, 32 GB internal storage capacity and can be enlarged by using the SD card. ..."
I think, that 1 GB is for app and the 32 GB is the "internal USB storage" kind.
Or is this the RAM?
Come on, why no one cannot give info about the 32 GB internal memory
A lot of people went to CES, MWC ... still no info

gogol said:
I keep asking this question, how big is the space for apps?
But got no answer from anywhere.
Well, I searched and searched, found this:
" ... Xoom is armed with dual core processors have speed of 1 GHz. In addition, Xoom also powered by a internal memory 1 GB, 32 GB internal storage capacity and can be enlarged by using the SD card. ..."
I think, that 1 GB is for app and the 32 GB is the "internal USB storage" kind.
Or is this the RAM?
Come on, why no one cannot give info about the 32 GB internal memory
A lot of people went to CES, MWC ... still no info
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I believe the 1GB number is the amount of RAM the Xoom has. The 32GB number is the amount of storage space the Xoom has. These numbers are inline with most other tablets that are coming out or that are out.

SFBPro said:
I believe the 1GB number is the amount of RAM the Xoom has. The 32GB number is the amount of storage space the Xoom has. These numbers are inline with most other tablets that are coming out or that are out.
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There may be only 1GB of application storage space though. Android phones have always had a limited space for installing apps.

RAM is used for running apps
Internal storage is used to hold movies, music, etc..... in this case apps as well
as far as running out of space you should search threads on apps to SD

eallan said:
There may be only 1GB of application storage space though. Android phones have always had a limited space for installing apps.
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And there could also be 10GB of storage for apps. Nobody knows and it's pure speculation at this point. for all we know, it may even be adjustable on Honeycomb, so you can dictate how much space to reserver for applications.

lol @ this thread

generic.imitation said:
lol @ this thread
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Second that
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As is said:
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-ram-and-memory.htm

Well, I know what RAM is. The only thing I need to know is the amount of storage to install apps. Xoom has 32 gb internal storage, but no one know this.
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This would be nice!
Sirchuk said:
And there could also be 10GB of storage for apps. Nobody knows and it's pure speculation at this point. for all we know, it may even be adjustable on Honeycomb, so you can dictate how much space to reserver for applications.
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Sirchuk said:
And there could also be 10GB of storage for apps. Nobody knows and it's pure speculation at this point. for all we know, it may even be adjustable on Honeycomb, so you can dictate how much space to reserver for applications.
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yes adjustable storage space would be nice... lol.
how about everytime we install an app it takes up a certain amount of space, then we know how much we have left. IF we had something like that it would be amazing. I think there is something like this included with the Xoom, but it's pure speculation at this point.
I am really enjoying this thread waaay too much.

gogol said:
Well, I know what RAM is. The only thing I need to know is the amount of storage to install apps. Xoom has 32 gb internal storage, but no one know this.
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Why does it matter now? Google figured out how they wanted to install apps to the SD Card, you think they made that functionality so rigid that they can't install to the eMMC storage instead?
It's probably "up to 32gb"

Because some times, you just cannot control it.
There are apps that can only be installed in the internal memory.
It is just a simple question though, but it seems no one, not even those from popular news websites / blogs can answer this question. Although they have handled, fondled, played around the Xoom at CES / MWC *sigh*
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Why does it matter now? Google figured out how they wanted to install apps to the SD Card, you think they made that functionality so rigid that they can't install to the eMMC storage instead?
It's probably "up to 32gb"
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gogol said:
Because some times, you just cannot control it.
There are apps that can only be installed in the internal memory.
It is just a simple question though, but it seems no one, not even those from popular news websites / blogs can answer this question. Although they have handled, fondled, played around the Xoom at CES / MWC *sigh*
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My point was Google is smarter then us. Don't worry about it.