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wmirc client question: which one? Smartphone or Pocket PC?

I got most stuff working, except the stupid BT headset! (which is stopping me from trying VoIP functions....) The stowaway folding keyboard is in particualr a star accessory - works great and is actually faster than my normal aux laptop keyboard! As for "messengering" while walking in the dark across a field - both the built in and the virtual keyboard (the regular, not an accessory, were both very useful, although I think the virtual one was actually a little faster...
GPS receiver was the first device to be recognized - but I still haven't chosen any GPS software to make use of it - might try the "I" one or tom-tom...not sure yet
Aside from fighting with the BT headset, which is also putting up a fight on the laptop and so may have a problem in of itself... my next project is a decent chat client. Several recommended wmirc, especially the 2.0 version, and I want to get it. But aside from paying for it, which is cool - I sent the guy with mIRC a donation since I use that one a lot - wmirc wants you to choose versions - "smartphone" or "pocket pc", with no further description as to what qualifies as what. I sent them an email but have heard nothing - so what's the opinion? Should I get the "smartphone" version or the "pocket PC" one? I've heard both terms used to describe the better PDA's like the Wizard during my 2 weeks of research that led to me choosing the MDA....

the pocket pc version

portable keyboard for the 8125 needed

The slideout Keyboard for the 8125 is great in the car, at a game, etc. But when I'm at the office or home I'd like a keyboard a little bigger. With that said I came across this one on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Stowaway-Portab...ryZ29851QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Any reason this one wouldn't/shouldn't work with the 8125?
Thanks
David

Well, if you read the specifications and compatibility list provided by the seller, you'd see that 1) it doesn't say anything about Windows Mobile 5.0 support and 2) the Wizard (8125) isn't on the compatibility list.
I would say those are two reasons that it wouldn't work.
Geoffrey

I saw that. But I've also seen other products in the recent past that works with WM5 though it does not say it does. In fact I've got software on my device right now that was not designed for WM5.
That is why I ask.
Regards,
David

texas said:
The slideout Keyboard for the 8125 is great in the car, at a game, etc. But when I'm at the office or home I'd like a keyboard a little bigger. With that said I came across this one on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Stowaway-Portab...ryZ29851QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Any reason this one wouldn't/shouldn't work with the 8125?
Thanks
David
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The ThinkOutside keyboard is the best I've seen.
http://www.thinkoutside.com/products/xtbtue/stowawaybt_product.html You can get it cheaper on eBay I'm sure. Make sure that you DL the latest driver, makes all the difference in the world.
Steven
chow

Tried it, doesn't work. IR keyboards are dogdy at best. You got to line up the IR and even then it's luck of the draw.
Go bluetooh, you'll be happier.

I agree, IR is crap. The ThinkOutside is BT and it works flawlessly.
More info is at the Wizard Accessories forum, http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewforum.php?f=41&sid=07d37e2694499f06e3758219b772b892
Steven
chow

Thanks guys. I guess it'll be the BLuetooth one then.
Regards,
David

Questions from a new(bie) Mogul owner

Hi all,
Please go easy on me here, as I have some probably pretty basic questions. I have been digging around the internet (mostly these forums) for the past two days since I got my new Mogul from Sprint running WM6. I had the PPC-6700 prior to this (as I expect most of you had) and I was fairly good at tinkering on that one, but I'm on new ground here with WM6 and a new phone.
First, I am a little confused by all the names.
For sure, I know that this phone can be called the Titan, the Mogul, or the PPC-6800. What I'm not sure of is that some people also call this the Hermes or the TyTn. I figured Titan and TyTn were the same things, but apparently not.
The main reason I'm asking is so that when I am looking for information and posts on this phone, which can I use and which should I disregard. It seems that many of the things posted under the Hermes forum are valid for the Mogul as well, but alas..I'm confused.
Once we get names settled, I'm going to start with only one other question that I have dire need for. I have looked around for answers and most are many months old, so I have to think that there are some more recent findings. My question regards Microsoft Voice Command 1.6 with a BT headset on this phone.
I have installed MS VC 1.6 and paired my new Cardo Scala 800 headset. It seems to work with the following problems:
1) BT quality is not great, including VC voice getting cut off. This is my first BT headset with this phone, and I have read that many people have poor BT quality with this phone. If that's the case, can anyone recommend a BT headset that works well with this phone (preferablly one that charges directly via mini-USB).
2) Confirmation don't work - based on what I have read this is a problem with all WM6 phones with VC 1.6. It appears the only solution is to disable confirmations completely. I have done this and it appears to be able to function. I just want to confirm that there isn't any newer data out there for this issue.
3) Last issue is that I don't get notifications. Meaning, when an incoming call comes in I get the ringing sound, but it doesn't tell me the name. In my searches I came across this posting:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316881&page=51
It is for the Hermes (again..confused) but contains a zip file with 4 files to copy over the default VC files. When I did this and reset my phone, notifications seem to work. I want to make sure that this is the best way to get VC 1.6 working as fully as possible on this phone.
I really appreciate any feedback you can give.... I have a few more questions, but I'll wait till we get these squared away.
Thanks to all!

Well, I've not been a Mogul owner for much longer than you, and certainly have been a PPC owner less (this is my first PPC), however let me try to answer a few of your questions.
First, the "Sprint Mogul" is Sprint's name for this phone. The phone "codename" of sorts is the Titan, and model is the PPC-6800. Hopefully I got that all right. Bottom line, they all refer to the same phone. Also, different cell companies have different names for phones, so it can get a little confusing sometimes.
Now the TyTN is the same device as the Hermes, aka the 8525. From what I've gathered in my short experience, this is basically the same same phone as the Titan, however, it's the AT&T GSM version. Where we have CDMA and EVDO, it has GSM and HSDPA.
The files get tricky too, and you have to know your way around the system before you try replacing files from other phones. A lot of files (and issues) are general for WM6. That means that any device running WM6 may have these same files, behaviors, or issues. However, with that said, certain files are specific to the network. Some of the things like dialers are coded for GSM on one phone, and CDMA on another. So if you think it might have anything to do with the network, double check before you replace it from another phone that's on a different network. In your case, the voice command thing is general to WM6, so grabbing the files from the Hermes was ok.
The bluetooth? Well, that's a question a lot of us still have. The bluetooth on these phones suck. I've heard a lot of people say it's HTC's fault, and I've also heard a few people say WM6 just isn't good with BT anyway. I personally haven't gotten into what's wrong with it much yet, so I can't tell you exactly the issues, but we can only hope for a firmware and/or software update in the future that will help these problems.
I know that if you look around, I've seen lists where people have listed which BT headsets seem to work well, and which don't. The only I have, and thus have tested, is a Jawbone, and I can report, as well as tell you from reading, it's one of the better BT headsets for this phone. It's a little expensive though, so it's not in everyone's price range. Unfortunately I can't help much past that since I've never used any other, but if you search you can probably find threads like I mentioned and just get feedback from other people.
Also, I've never played with Voice Command, so I can't answer any more specific questions on that subject. Hopefully I helped clear a few things up. As I said, I'm definitely still learning myself, but I've been taking in all kinds of information. I love this phone and don't see how I've survived without a PocketPC before.

Ajerman,
Thanks for your input. Ok that makes sense regarding the AT&T GSM version. I think most of what I will want to tweak will be related to WM6 and not carriers.
Unfortunately my Cardo 800 BT headset is my first headset too, and this is the first time I'm using it with the phone. So, I too don't have anything to gauge it against. I'm probably going to return the headset however as it was advertised as having a mini-usb charging jack, when infact it has a micro-usb. I saw the jawbone, looks nice, but again, I only want a headset that uses a mini-usb jack (too many adapters to carry around).
My next questions (hopefully someone can address), is unlocking the Extended ROM for customization. I did this on the PPC-6700 WM5 with an Extended rom unlocker tool and modified the config.txt in there to automatically install certain apps upon hard-reset.
I need to assist the mobile admins at my company with setting everyone's phone up with some additional settings en masse.
Is it safe to use the same procedures on WM6? I'm probably going to try it anyway but thought someone could point me to a good primer on upgrading my skills from WM5 to WM6.
Any more input is valued!
thanks

Universal as a Bluetooth Keyboard?

Hello everyone.
That's it. My "good" old Universal finally gave way to a brand new HTC Touch Diamond, as I changed phone provider. Since I am always reluctant to sell my old toys, I am trying to recycle the beast into something usefull.
The great thing about the touch diamond is that it is relatively small compared to the Uni, which makes it handy to carry around as the main phone. The down side of this is that typing on the touch screen isn't the most efficient input method around.
I am looking at various options like the virtual keyboard (a laser projected keyboard), a stowaway keyboard or other bluetooth options. They are expensive, though.
This is why I am writing this email: is there a known tool that would allow me to use the Universal as a bluetooth keyboard emulator? I have looked at Remote Commander, but it can only control a PC, which is not what I am looking for.
Please send your comments!
Thank you!!

Ohh i see. so you want to use the (big) keyboard on the universal to type out stuff to your htc touch diamond?
I dont know how you would do off hand. But thats an interesting idea. On the first glance though i wouldnt gain much benifit from the universal keyboard anyway maybe 2 times quicker. But if i did get the full size keybaord i could type maybe 10 times faster. But i see your point though that bluetooth keyboards are expenive. You could bit the bullet and sell your universal for exchange for a bluetooth keyboard (I would get a stowaway mainly because i touch type and you cant do it with a laser keyboard)
If you find a way to use your universal as a keyboard let me know how it turns out. Im pretty intrested on how it would work.

Bluetooth Keyboard

hey guys,
is there a way to pair a bluetoothkeyboard with the defy? And is there a cable to pair the defy with a tv?
Mfg.Homer

As for the cable to TV, I don't think so.
But wouldn't any Bluetooth keyboard just pair with the Defy, or is that dependent on some profile that is not present on the Defy? I.e. do you own a keyboard and can't make it work, or do you just want to know if it would work?

There is a keyboard from "HAMA" which works...but you need any add-on...

keyboards
Tried a chinese bluetooth kb ... driver didn´t work.
3rd party drivers did somehow, but have been a pain in the ass in daily use.
Hardware keyboard which would be best in thinking of energy doesn´t because of missing USB Host.
Still: Defy ist the best phone I ever had ... but the road is loohooong ...

A quick Google search suggests there are enough keyboards to choose from. Just check if there is an Android driver and you should be fine.
Don't really get why one would want a keyboard though. It kind of undoes the portability and it seems a hassle to use. Don't get me wrong: I loved the keyboard on my old HTC Wizard. But that one was integrated in the phone which might be a better option for you as well!

AgentSmith said:
A quick Google search suggests there are enough keyboards to choose from. Just check if there is an Android driver and you should be fine.
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- would be so cool if it would be that easy ...
AgentSmith said:
Don't really get why one would want a keyboard though. It kind of undoes the portability and it seems a hassle to use. Don't get me wrong: I loved the keyboard on my old HTC Wizard. But that one was integrated in the phone which might be a better option for you as well!
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- because you need some sort of time machine to get another waterproof mobile with a querty keyboard.
I would have liked a micro one for a adventure trip to proper blog and chat - the phones are nearly usable for that.

It works with Froyo !
Sorry for such a late post. Anyway, I bought this cheap BT keyboard some time ago. Whilst running the stock Eclair ROM, I had to use 3rd party applications to handle it, but never without lots of issues. I had bought it for test purposes, since Android was not listed as a supported platform. But after I flashed Froyo (in my case, the 3.4.3-11 UK ROM), the keyboard just works as it should. After it was paired (the digit sequence specified on the phone - I chose the widely known 0000 - must be entered in the BT keyboard, followed by <Enter>), I just turn the keyboard on (with the Defy's BT radio also turned on, of course) and press any key. The bluetooth link is immediately established, and I'm able enter data to any applications through it.
Just my 2 cents...
Regards,
Carlos

good news
thanks4info.
I will jump on the CM7 train as soon as (a)gps is ok and will try there.
Still hoping to get usb host running, as other projects successfully activated it per software. Will post results after playing around with CM7.

casouzaj said:
Sorry for such a late post. Anyway, I bought this cheap BT keyboard some time ago. Whilst running the stock Eclair ROM, I had to use 3rd party applications to handle it, but never without lots of issues. I had bought it for test purposes, since Android was not listed as a supported platform. But after I flashed Froyo (in my case, the 3.4.3-11 UK ROM), the keyboard just works as it should. After it was paired (the digit sequence specified on the phone - I chose the widely known 0000 - must be entered in the BT keyboard, followed by <Enter>), I just turn the keyboard on (with the Defy's BT radio also turned on, of course) and press any key. The bluetooth link is immediately established, and I'm able enter data to any applications through it.
Just my 2 cents...
Regards,
Carlos
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Ive got the same keyboard but this does nto work at all (CM10 ) it says its conected, but theres no text input, even with thrid party apps.
useless piece of junk.
Any recomendations for something that actualy works??

2Pints said:
Ive got the same keyboard but this does nto work at all (CM10 ) it says its conected, but theres no text input, even with thrid party apps.
useless piece of junk.
Any recomendations for something that actualy works??
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Wow! For a long time, there was no posts at all in this thread. Ok, back to business. You see, I'm running CM10 too. In fact, due to some issues, I'm still on Quarx 11/17 build. Anyway, until I saw your post, my keyboard was forgotten in a drawer. I took it off, turned it on, pressed a key, and, although it was already paired with the phone, an entry in the status bar came up, which, upon being tapped, asked me to either allow or deny the connection. After a couple of times answering 'Yes', the bluetooth icon, in the status bar, turned blue, and, from that point on, all the text I entered was correctly taken by the phone, without any issues. Have you gone through this phase as well?
EDIT: have just flashed Quarx's CM10.1 05/27 build. Couldn't find a way to make my BT keyboard work with it. Haven't tried his CM10 new buiild, but as they seem to share all the radio (BT, Wifi) parts, it is most probable that it won't work there either. I'm already back to his 11/17 build.

there's some keybords that works, but it depends on the ROM too.
I had a chinese one, and it was a lot better to type than the touch keyboard, but, for me it wasn't very useful because I was unable to use some accents, and I usualy type in Portuguese.