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Evo vs My touch 3g slide

Gentlemen,
I have been testing the evo for 19 days now and it is the greatest device. My situation is when I do a speedtest I get uploads of 1.2M and downloads of 400kbs in Tampa, Fl. My friends Touch gets about 2M which is unacceptable compare to the evo. On top of this I have a great deal offer from Tmobile as a loyal customer for 1500 talk mins, unlimited data and unlimited text messaging on 2 lines for 119$ for 2 Slides. I am very temped.
What do you guys think?
Please help
BTW, The evo may become useless in about a year if the pressence of LTE takes over Wimax (My biggest concern) I can always sell my slides because they are GSM, but not the evo

if you are that concerned about the quality of your data service in your area you can always go to the development thread that explains how to use Verizon's network while still on sprint for better service in some troubled areas. This does not require rooting or violating your warranty in anyway and is returnable to default via merely updating your prl.

procompmreman said:
if you are that concerned about the quality of your data service in your area you can always go to the development thread that explains how to use Verizon's network while still on sprint for better service in some troubled areas. This does not require rooting or violating your warranty in anyway and is returnable to default via merely updating your prl.
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Does that REALLY work? I find it hard to believe that you can get on Verizon's 3G with a PRL hack...

It does actually work, i tested it, but i live in good sprint area. Honestly i had t-mobile, make sure you reading "even more plus" not "even more" pricing i got screwed like that. for my 2 lines with unlimited everything it costs about 180$, make sure you're looking at the contract service or the phone will cost 400$.
Also t-mobile is good in the city only. outside of that you have edge. The evo is also a much better device than the mytouch slide. Also don't worry about LTE, if push comes to shove in a year you can cancel for 100 - 115$ (depending on how many months you have on your contract). Also, i wouldn't even bother with Verizon, their Customer Service is fail and so is their software.

I live in a great Sprint area too but I'd be curious to see if the ****ty speeds I'm getting on my EVO are hardware related or something else... I get about HALF the data speed, sometimes a THIRD, of what I get on my Touch Pro 2...

riverajuan said:
Gentlemen,
I have been testing the evo for 19 days now and it is the greatest device. My situation is when I do a speedtest I get uploads of 1.2M and downloads of 400kbs in Tampa, Fl. My friends Touch gets about 2M which is unacceptable compare to the evo. On top of this I have a great deal offer from Tmobile as a loyal customer for 1500 talk mins, unlimited data and unlimited text messaging on 2 lines for 119$ for 2 Slides. I am very temped.
What do you guys think?
Please help
BTW, The evo may become useless in about a year if the pressence of LTE takes over Wimax (My biggest concern) I can always sell my slides because they are GSM, but not the evo
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Does he have the original myTouch?
Besides that, the Slide doesn't have a huge screen.. so you really should play with it to see if you like it.. I would take the Customer Retention offer honestly, it's a great deal per month (less than what Sprint costs) especially with HSPA+ being backwards compatible with all regular HSPA phones (like the Slide).
I'm not sure of what the PRL hack is doing, but if you're constantly roaming on Verizon and using more than 300MB for more than a few months Sprint will close your account out eventually.

I have been a tmobile customer for 8 years, and never had a problem and when I did. they were quickly responsible to the point were they will replace anything I needed at no cost to me with no questions ask. I don't know Sprint.
Also just about everything I have tried in the evo is literally available i the touch.

riverajuan said:
I have been a tmobile customer for 8 years, and never had a problem and when I did. they were quickly responsible to the point were they will replace anything I needed at no cost to me with no questions ask. I don't know Sprint.
Also just about everything I have tried in the evo is literally available i the touch.
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Vastly inferior hardware though.

Why, and when I root and Froyo comes along it should be no problem

600MHz OMAP processor versus 1GHz Snapdragon... 320x480 screen... and my buddy has one and it looks like a cheap toy.

Evo!
I just went through the decision between sprint and the evo and tmobile and the slide. I wad on the customer loyalty unlimited plan with 2 G1's, after hearing the specs on the my touch slide, I had to go with the evo. The slides 480x320 screen looks horrible compared to the 800x480 screen on the evo.add in the 1ghz procrssor on the evo vs the 600mhz on the slide and it's a no brainer. I have 4g, and it rocks (get 3000k dl and 100ms ping routinely in San Antonio). Also, you don't have to worry about wimax going away! It is an established service for local computer networking (home internet service). And they just keep adding towers. It's gonna be around way after your 2 year contact is up, guaranteed!

riverajuan said:
Why, and when I root and Froyo comes along it should be no problem
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Because the Slide has a smaller screen, graphics render easily on it even with the slower processor. But, higher specs aren't the end all. The Slide has nearly no lag at all. It's more than adequate. The newer Evo's have a washed out screen too..
WiMAX coverage will always be spottier and smaller than HSPA+ coverage and T-Mobile is cheaper for you. If you want to upgrade to something better later this year you can sell your Slides to make up the difference of buying a new phone at MSRP.

Clear wire had stated they will continue wimax until 2012 or longer and wimax 2 is better than lte currently
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That is exactly what I'm talking about, I can always sell the slide, but I can not sale the evo because is only available to sprint so I will be stock with a brick. There will always be better phones and I have nothing against the evo.

By the way can I tether with the slide after rooting the device?

[Q] Convince me NOT/TO get a VIBRANT (& Dump Epic)

So, I'm not very happy about the 150kbps upload, the crawling 3G overall and the crawling of the phone along with it. I love the phone itself, but I essentially hate the CDMA Golem that's attached itself to it. And I notice this has been the case with almost every one of my old CDMA devices. GSM has historically been slower but development was always MUCH faster for GSM devices, and GSM variants. And every time I get a new phone I go through this and end up back on CDMA with Sprint (plus cheap Verizon service, via roaming agreements) mainly because of the data speeds.
But T-mobile has an AMAZING new data network at least in my area (Chicago) that seems very impressive. Apparently the Vibrant can take advantage of HSPA+ up to 7.2MBPs which is faster than what I'm averaging now on wimax (although I understand the EVO got quite a boost in wimax speed with froyo as well). So the way I see it, Vibrant has the following things going for it:
+FROYO NOW (unofficial, but still its progress)
+Same data speeds
+Better overall developer community
+Gets 4G speeds IN BUILDINGS (to me, this is a HUGE advantage. Yes I understand there is still signal loss and therefore speed loss, but I'd imagine this is still much better than wimax dying after 2 inches of concrete or evdo's lower speed)
+TV Out
-No Keyboard
-No Front Camera (although supposedly this can be fixed if you're really risky)
-No Flash
-Entire network not 3G like Sprint's is, only some
-5GB "soft cap" (edge-only after 5gb)
I'm hoping the upload speed issue gets resolved. Also, I can't help but think the Epic MAY get left behind like the moment was in terms of updates. My friend has had a motorola cliq for about a year now and he's still stuck on 1.5-1.6 (they promised 2.1). I really don't want to commit to a phone for a year that may not be supported past a few months.

Not this topic again.

Please go get the Virbrant. It's a much better phone. It will make you much happier. Then you can talk of your love for the phone on the vibrant thread.

Yup. I say go get the Vibrant.

Sorry, I didn't necessarily see a thread (made AFTER both were out on the market for a week or so) actually comparing the two. This is not meant to slam the Epic (my current and possibly will remain my current) phone. If you notice there are both advantages AND disadvantages listed. I'm simply trying to get people's opinions, especially if there is something I missed. I think they are both great phones, just trying to decide between them. I don't generally get "attached" to hardware to the point that I'll try and "defend" or "attack" it, just trying to discuss it. If this thread still bothers you, by all means, there are many others.

Id say go for the Vibrant, because you are correct about the 3g data speeds, also even though we have wimax, it seems in alot of areas you need a damned directional antenna to get a signal, and you can pretty much forget about inside the house service. With tmobiles 3g, you dont have to worry about bad spots in a metropolitan area for the most part, and it penetrates houses MUCH better. Also, while the epic has great hardware, the battery life is horrendous, and the vibrants is a bit better.
Cons for the vibrant include no ffc, no flash, no keyboard (con for some), and no notification light. The absence of the latter is pretty stupid in my opinion.
Also, its not a 5gb cap, you have up to 10gb till getting throttled.

Thanks, I didn't know about the notification light missing. Also I've ONLY ever had CDMA phones. Quite a few of them on many different OS'es, but its hard to try and make an informed decision when you have no experience with the service. Not sure exactly what attributes about signal and penetration will change based on where I live and work. That's why I've got you guys/gals!

Go get a vibrant and make yourself happy. I am currently happy with the Epic and those issues that you have means that you must be extremely picky. Good luck.

I really don't care what you do but there's not an option for that in your poll.

please do.

go buy a vibrant and return your epic

There is a wonderful DEV team here that works their butts off to make these devices "all devices" better. Instead of throwing in the towel why don't you try their ROMs out, and donate if you can. Looking at the vibrant forums I see folks complain about other stuff so it doesn't much matter what you go with. Like I said not all phones are perfect.

agonzalez1010 said:
There is a wonderful DEV team here that works their butts off to make these devices "all devices" better. Instead of throwing in the towel why don't you try their ROMs out, and donate if you can. Looking at the vibrant forums I see folks complain about other stuff so it doesn't much matter what you go with. Like I said not all phones are perfect.
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That's the point everyone else is making albeit a bit less verbose. Sometimes people just need to go to the other side of the fence and see that even if the grass looks greener, it's still just as bitter.
And the Devs are terrific at what they do and it's awesome to see so much support for a phone less than a month old.

yeah the Epic community is not as large.. but i'm sure it will grow.
Do what makes you happy.. even if I vote it won't make a difference.
They are both good phones.. just don't get the facinate.. yuck.. lol

The problem with giving an answer to this question is that everyone's needs are different. My wife and I both plan to get an Epic in about a month or so (when our AT&T contract is up). The 3G upload cap will affect her much more than me because she likes to take pics/video and send them to Facebook, where I don't do that very much. I also work in a large metro area that will have 4G coverage, where my wife will (mostly) be in our home town that will not likely get 4G signal for quite a while yet. So I won't be as affected by the 3G cap as she would be. But this could be a deal-breaker for her.
My one gripe with the Vibrant is lack of flash for the camera. I don't mind the lack of the front facing camera or the keyboard. Those are "nice to haves" in my opinion. But I will never understand why a phone manufacturer would bother to put a 5MP (or higher) camera in a phone and not include a flash. It just baffles me. Surely, a flash doesn't add THAT much cost to the phone? It's the one downer about that phone for me, and it's something I will have to live with if things don't work out for us with the Epic. If it wasn't for the fact that I get a Sprint discount through work we'd likely be going with T-mobile, as their coverage is very good in our area.
I suspect that Sprint/Samsung will sort out the upload cap in the next month or two. It's a shame that this was even a problem upon release of the phone, but I think they will right this ship. Unfortunately, this means that folks who have their 30-day trial coming to an end soon will either have to jump ship or take a leap of faith. I feel bad for those people and am glad that I and my family have to wait a while to switch to Sprint so we don't have to be faced with the decision for a couple of months yet. Hopefully the fix will be out by then.
Good luck, whatever you decide!

greengoldmello said:
Cons for the vibrant include no ffc, no flash, no keyboard (con for some), and no notification light. The absence of the latter is pretty stupid in my opinion.
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The absence of a notification light would be a 100% dealbreaker for me. I had an iPhone for a single day and took it back immediately in part because of this, which I didn't realize ahead of time. I use my phone for both personal and business emails, and if I have to keep turning on the phone every ten minutes to manually check my email, then it's not worth having that phone...
This really should be a basic, required feature on any phone.

badasscat said:
The absence of a notification light would be a 100% dealbreaker for me. I had an iPhone for a single day and took it back immediately in part because of this, which I didn't realize ahead of time. I use my phone for both personal and business emails, and if I have to keep turning on the phone every ten minutes to manually check my email, then it's not worth having that phone...
This really should be a basic, required feature on any phone.
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This is exactly what I meant by my previous post. Everyone has their own needs and none of us can really answer his question for him because of this. You need the notification light for your own reason, while I am used to not having a notification light and can live without it on future phones.
I don't think anyone but the OP can realistically answer the question because our answers will always be biased towards what we think is necessary on our own phones.

othan1 said:
That's the point everyone else is making albeit a bit less verbose. Sometimes people just need to go to the other side of the fence and see that even if the grass looks greener, it's still just as bitter.
And the Devs are terrific at what they do and it's awesome to see so much support for a phone less than a month old.
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Yes, and I think this is mostly my issue. I've never been on the other side of the fence. I'd almost like to get a 2nd line for a month just to try it out... I have been coming to this site for years and if it wasn't for these wonderful developers (and the testers that provide useful feedback) these devices wouldn't be half as attractive as they are.
I too hope they get the upload issue sorted out, otherwise I do love this phone. I appreciate everyone's input (well, at least those who were helpful) and it will help me about when my 30 days is up and I have a decision to make (unless they fix it, PLEASE sprint!)
I'll consider the issue closed as I know have all the information I believe I need to make my decision, whatever it ends up being. Plus, something tells me if this goes on anymore I'll end up with more people who just get annoyed that I asked...

Another thing to consider, especially since you're in the midwest: WiMax might or might not have good indoor coverage today, but EVDO has pretty reliable coverage just about everywhere I've been (including Ohio and Pennsylvania). I'd seriously recommend asking some T-Mobile users who live in areas where you go a few times a year (parents, vacation spots, lakeside resorts, campgrounds, etc) how their 3G coverage is THERE. From what I've seen, T-Mobile has decent 3G coverage in Florida and California, but the more miles between you and the Atlantic or Pacific, the less likely you are to get reliable UMTS 3G from them. In many parts of the midwest, you'll be lucky to get EDGE. In quite a few shockingly non-rural areas, all you'll get is GPRS.
Don't just look at official "coverage" maps... get the Sensorly map viewer (which uses crowdsourcing to have users voluntarily sample signal strength in various areas and report it to them) and check the 3G coverage in specific places where you're likely to spend time (including malls, shopping centers, homes of friends and family members, etc). Sprint is far from perfect, but T-Mobile's 3G coverage looks horrifyingly ragged once you start zooming in to specific neighborhoods, regardless of how good it might look when you're zoomed out so a city the size of Chicago fills a 320x480 screen.
It's been years since Sprint has even *had* meaningful service as slow as GPRS (as in, Samsung SPH-i300 circa 2001-2002), but I can tell you... GPRS is about as close to useless as you can get. It's almost worse than no service at all, because at least when there's no service at all, you won't waste your time bothering to even try using it.
GPS wise, a stock Vibrant will never be more than a week or two ahead of a rooted Epic -- the moment any real fix gets released for the Vibrant, it'll get ripped and grafted onto Epics anyway. The same holds true in the other direction as well. How many hours did it take for Epic's GPS improvements to make their way onto rooted Vibrants? Like, maybe... 6?
The 150k EVDO cap is a bug, and I suspect the only reason it hasn't been fixed YET is because it probably requires taking a cell site down for maintenance, so Sprint is loath to do it outside of a regularly-scheduled maintenance window. Whatever phone you go with is going to be with you for at least another 10 months... do you really want to commit yourself to 9 of them based on a problem that's likely to resolve itself by the end of next month?
Also, don't forget that the Vibrant has only a small amount of "fast" flash, and relies on an internal microSD card for the other 16gb. On an Android phone, the only place slower than MicroSD for storage is a remote server accessed over the 'net.
In short, don't cut off your nose to spite your face... at least, not without spending some serious time researching what T-Mobile is like in the specific square blocks of land you care about. T-Mobile's best areas might be better than Sprint, but it's a lot worse than Sprint in quite a few more (especially the middle parts of the country, and more than a mile away from a transcontinental interstate highway). You'll be able to make voice calls & do text messages just about everywhere, thanks to roaming agreements with AT&T... but AFAIK, you can't roam on 3G, and I'm pretty sure AT&T won't allow you to roam on EDGE either. In contrast, Sprint can roam on Verizon and enjoy at least 1xRTT speeds anywhere Verizon has service. 1xRTT isn't fast, but there's a blurry line somewhere between "annoyingly slow" and "unusable" -- 1xRTT is somewhere on the good side, and GPRS is absolutely on the bad side of it.

Yes, the speed vs coverage issue is definitely something I'm weighing in my decision making. I don't travel OFTEN but when I do its most likely for work which means both voice AND data matter. Its very rare that I can't get EVDO even in the middle of nowhere (do they even HAVE 1x towers anymore?), only 1x when I have like 1 bar and the SNR is just too poor for EVDO. I am going to "do my best" to stick it out with sprint. Hopefully they can make up my mind for me before the 4th

[Q] Reception/Connection issues severe/widespread?

Hi G2 users. I'm torn about buying this phone. I've played with it at the store and love the keyboard, speed, looks, and build quality. However, I've seen comments in this forum and others and in some reviews that the G2 has difficulty getting/maintaining a signal. (I've seen similar reports for the desire z). Though, it does seem like these reports were more common in October than in November. Was the issue addressed (by updates or replacement hardware?) or did users just get used to the issue and decide to focus on the phone's strengths? Or, was the issue never that widespread to begin with?
No matter how great the features of the G2 are, I don't think I could put up with the frustration of not being able to depend on it working when I needed it to. So, what's your experience been? (Interested in everyone's experiences, but would especially love to hear any comments from anyone in the New York City area.)
Also, as I'm new to T-Mobile, I'm curious if building penetration at such high frequencies is an issue I should be concerned about. I know Sprint's Wi-Max is using even higher frequencies, but I've read some very daunting tales about it's lack of building penetration.
Thanks very much for your help.

My experience has been meh. WiFi calling has made my experience better than I could ever have hoped for though.
Any signal issues are probably t-mobile's fault IMO.
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I have a TP2 and a G2.. the TP2 has better reception than the G2.. the G2 slips a bit from the TP2.. with my TP2 inside my house, i will always have 4 bars (max).. with my G2, it'll switch between 3 & 4 bars.
also, it seems like data connection hangs randomly at times (data icon (H) stays lit tho).. not sure why this happens.. i don't have random data hang ups with my TP2.

My G2 has had absolutely worthless internet lately. I am getting quite pissed off that I'm spending the money on a data plan, I understand it sucks in my house, but when I am out around town I still barely get a signal. I'm literally getting speeds like 15kbps.

theratdude64 said:
My G2 has had absolutely worthless internet lately. I am getting quite pissed off that I'm spending the money on a data plan, I understand it sucks in my house, but when I am out around town I still barely get a signal. I'm literally getting speeds like 15kbps.
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u must be away from a HSPA+ tower.. i pull in 8mbps with my G2.

It used to do about 3500 down was my best... now it's WORTHLESS. I can barely even check a website for a phone number all over town where it used to work.

theratdude64 said:
It used to do about 3500 down was my best... now it's WORTHLESS. I can barely even check a website for a phone number all over town where it used to work.
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must be your towers.. they might be temporarily down, or your being throttled until your next billing cycle.

I just switched from a Nexus One, which can't hold a single worth crap. My G2 hasn't switched to EDGE at all and I get great speeds on HSPA+. Granted, T-Mobile has my area fully covered for HSPA+. I haven't taken it up into the mountains, yet, with it being winter here in Utah.

I'm in Brooklyn, so the reception is good outside, but once I get home, where I have only about 1 or 2 bars with edge and 3G, it will drop the signal sometimes. Sometimes even while texting, it will drop the signal, and will have to wait until the phone gains reception to send the message.

[Q] Is Sprint worth keeping?

I love Sprint. I always have. For what I use them for, which is primarily internet, they are the fastest. Great prices, great phones (now at least) and the fastest 3g, and though not in my area, now 4g. Plus my laptop now has 4g built in, though I'm sure you need Clear for that and not Sprint. But I digress. I don't like ATT nor do I like Verizon. I used to have T Mobile under my brother's old employee plan and though I didn't have too many problems with them their coverage was still not as good as Sprint's. However, they do have HSPA+ and they always get the newest Android phones. Plus, HSPA+ is in my area. Now, my contract is up in October some time so i'd wait till then most likely but what is everyone's opinion? Since Verizon DSL sucks ass and I work from home I need an internet connection and some 4g WiMax would be real nice when DSL kicks out on me (besides, my 3Mbps connection I pay for only yields 1.73 Mbps at the most so WiMax would be faster anyway). So the question is, especially to those who have WiMax right now and, preferably, those who have tried TMo's HSPA+ network, if WiMax is not in my area by October 2011, do I stay with Sprint and just go month to month or upgrade my phone or whatnot or do I jump ship to Tmo and get instant, multiple mobile megabit (say that three times fast) gratification?
I'm sure most of you will say Sprint and generally I would too. Especially with the unlimited mobile to mobile regardless of carrier and since my girlfriend has Sprint, Sprint is the most attractive option. But is HSPA+ right now, LTE in the future and the prospect of the coolest Android phones (and most importantly, dev phones) first worth it or is Sprint and their blazing (hey, King of Prussia, PA, after the first or second WiMax firmware update, had speeds of 7+Mbps!) fast WiMax network (which will be more mature than the others by the time they are widespread) worth waiting for? Even after Sprint gets WiMax over here, is it worth keeping or should I switch? Such a hard decision that I have 9 months to make

Unless Sprint comes out with a bad a$$ phone (and I mean really bad a$$), I'm probably going to jump ship and go to t-mobile or verizon once my contract is up.
Pocket posted, just not sure how...

chuckhriczko said:
I love Sprint. I always have. For what I use them for, which is primarily internet, they are the fastest. Great prices, great phones (now at least) and the fastest 3g, and though not in my area, now 4g. Plus my laptop now has 4g built in, though I'm sure you need Clear for that and not Sprint. But I digress. I don't like ATT nor do I like Verizon. I used to have T Mobile under my brother's old employee plan and though I didn't have too many problems with them their coverage was still not as good as Sprint's. However, they do have HSPA+ and they always get the newest Android phones. Plus, HSPA+ is in my area. Now, my contract is up in October some time so i'd wait till then most likely but what is everyone's opinion? Since Verizon DSL sucks ass and I work from home I need an internet connection and some 4g WiMax would be real nice when DSL kicks out on me (besides, my 3Mbps connection I pay for only yields 1.73 Mbps at the most so WiMax would be faster anyway). So the question is, especially to those who have WiMax right now and, preferably, those who have tried TMo's HSPA+ network, if WiMax is not in my area by October 2011, do I stay with Sprint and just go month to month or upgrade my phone or whatnot or do I jump ship to Tmo and get instant, multiple mobile megabit (say that three times fast) gratification?
I'm sure most of you will say Sprint and generally I would too. Especially with the unlimited mobile to mobile regardless of carrier and since my girlfriend has Sprint, Sprint is the most attractive option. But is HSPA+ right now, LTE in the future and the prospect of the coolest Android phones (and most importantly, dev phones) first worth it or is Sprint and their blazing (hey, King of Prussia, PA, after the first or second WiMax firmware update, had speeds of 7+Mbps!) fast WiMax network (which will be more mature than the others by the time they are widespread) worth waiting for? Even after Sprint gets WiMax over here, is it worth keeping or should I switch? Such a hard decision that I have 9 months to make
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I left T-Mobile to come to Sprint for exactly the opposite reasons you're thinking about going.
Ehem *adjusts pedestal*
T-Mobile does have HSPA+ but it is far slower than Sprint's Wimax. Granted, you don't have Wimax yet, but when you do and you're getting less than half the speed on HSPA+ you'll understand why it was worth the wait.
Secondly, Sprint introduced the Evo in June of last year, not in January like everyone else did. The result? T-Mobile got the Moto Cliq (gag), ATT got... ... ...something and Verizon got another sequel to the Droid series. What did Sprint get 6 months later? The freaking Evo, a phone that's still a top of the line device even now. Can't say that about the CES releases from last year from the other 3.
T-Mobile does NOT get the newest and greatest Android phones. Keep in mind that the Galaxy S series went to every carrier, we got the Epic and T-Mob got the Vibrant. T-Mob got ripped off. The G2 seems like a nice device but I owned one and let me tell you something, the Evo kicks that things ass twice (twice because the G2 has two pieces...meaning 2 asses that must be kicked). The MyTouch 4g seemed nice, but it runs Expresso, not sense, which means it gets less attention than Sense will. They started Android with the G1, but Verizon and Sprint have the best Android phones (and coverage) to date. Since everyone hates Verizon because they're so damned expensive, Sprint is the clear winner when it comes to Android and service.
T-Mobile, ATT and Verizon seem like attractive choices because they're pumping out phones with new technology and things like that, but keep in mind that in the 6 months until Sprint releases their phone of the year, that technology is only going to get better...and that's what we'll be getting.
Patience, I jumped ship (yeah, paid the early termination fee and everything) from T-Mobile for a reason. They suck, their phones are AT BEST the top of the mid-range class and their "4g" is 2nd rate.

AbsolutZeroGI said:
I left T-Mobile to come to Sprint for exactly the opposite reasons you're thinking about going.
Ehem *adjusts pedestal*
T-Mobile does have HSPA+ but it is far slower than Sprint's Wimax. Granted, you don't have Wimax yet, but when you do and you're getting less than half the speed on HSPA+ you'll understand why it was worth the wait.
Secondly, Sprint introduced the Evo in June of last year, not in January like everyone else did. The result? T-Mobile got the Moto Cliq (gag), ATT got... ... ...something and Verizon got another sequel to the Droid series. What did Sprint get 6 months later? The freaking Evo, a phone that's still a top of the line device even now. Can't say that about the CES releases from last year from the other 3.
T-Mobile does NOT get the newest and greatest Android phones. Keep in mind that the Galaxy S series went to every carrier, we got the Epic and T-Mob got the Vibrant. T-Mob got ripped off. The G2 seems like a nice device but I owned one and let me tell you something, the Evo kicks that things ass twice (twice because the G2 has two pieces...meaning 2 asses that must be kicked). The MyTouch 4g seemed nice, but it runs Expresso, not sense, which means it gets less attention than Sense will. They started Android with the G1, but Verizon and Sprint have the best Android phones (and coverage) to date. Since everyone hates Verizon because they're so damned expensive, Sprint is the clear winner when it comes to Android and service.
T-Mobile, ATT and Verizon seem like attractive choices because they're pumping out phones with new technology and things like that, but keep in mind that in the 6 months until Sprint releases their phone of the year, that technology is only going to get better...and that's what we'll be getting.
Patience, I jumped ship (yeah, paid the early termination fee and everything) from T-Mobile for a reason. They suck, their phones are AT BEST the top of the mid-range class and their "4g" is 2nd rate.
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Thank god i dont have to write it up that well!
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I also just jumped ship from t-mobile. They were expensive, coverage wasn't great and the customer service was heading down hill fast. I agree with the above post...they dont get top of the line phones, they get medium phones for teeny boppers. I had the vibrant, the g2 felt flimsy. I was going to get the mytouch 4g but it didn't blue me away either so I paid the etf and got the hell out

One thing to keep in mind is that T-Mobile is planning to upgrade 2/3's of their HSPA+ network to 42 Mbps. They are claiming real world download speeds of 25 Mbps. IMO, nothing beats getting a off contract, unlocked Nexus 1/S and paying something like $5-10 for unlimited data. They do however throttle after 5 GB, so something to keep in mind.

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I also just jumped ship from t-mobile. They were expensive, coverage wasn't great and the customer service was heading down hill fast. I agree with the above post...they dont get top of the line phones, they get medium phones for teeny boppers. I had the vibrant, the g2 felt flimsy. I was going to get the mytouch 4g but it didn't blue me away either so I paid the etf and got the hell out
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G2, MYT4G, Nexus S - all top of the line phones when they were released. Not sure what you are talking about.

For me personally there is no better carrier in my area. (Baltimore) and that is the most important factor for me. I have friends on BigRed and TMob and when they come to my house and were hanging out in the basement, they can't ever get a signal while I always have 3-4 bars in my house. Plus wherever I am I have great Wimax coverage when I want to use it....avg 7-8 mbps. And there is no comparison of the price factor so I dont even need to discuss that. Im on a family plan (Wife has a EVO too) and noone else can compare to the value of what im paying, so I could care less about what others are doing. Sprints on top of the game in this area.

new phones are coming ,they have 2
I want to see what the Evo 2 looks like, and not that cheese mini Evo

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For me personally there is no better carrier in my area. (Baltimore) and that is the most important factor for me. I have friends on BigRed and TMob and when they come to my house and were hanging out in the basement, they can't ever get a signal while I always have 3-4 bars in my house. Plus wherever I am I have great Wimax coverage when I want to use it....avg 7-8 mbps. And there is no comparison of the price factor so I dont even need to discuss that. Im on a family plan (Wife has a EVO too) and noone else can compare to the value of what im paying, so I could care less about what others are doing. Sprints on top of the game in this area.
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No comparison? $39.99 500 minutes + $6-7 for Web2go data, Google Voice for texting, and buy a unlocked Nexus S outright. It IS a very specific and limited choice but a great one.

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No comparison? $39.99 500 minutes + $6-7 for Web2go data, Google Voice for texting, and buy a unlocked Nexus S outright. It IS a very specific and limited choice but a great one.
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Good for YOU perhaps, not me or my wife.

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No comparison? $39.99 500 minutes + $6-7 for Web2go data, Google Voice for texting, and buy a unlocked Nexus S outright. It IS a very specific and limited choice but a great one.
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LMAO 500 minutes?!? have two teenage daughters who both text +6000 texts a month plus gab on the phone when not texting. I had Tmobile for the same type plan but without data on two out of three lines I was paying $30 more a month than I am now with sprint. And they said I was on my own when T-mobile pushed a bad update on my cliq that bricked it, even when I had insurance. I was left without a phone, sprint wouldnt do that either.

Sprint is building in a positive direction. T-Mobile isn't too bad but there service is extremely spotty. Verizon & At&t both shot themselves in the heart by locking into iPhone's.
Verizon won't hold the top spot for long with the addition of the iPhone. It really destroys customer service and Apple will limit what other smartphones they can carrier.
T-Mobile actually isn't too bad phone-wise or plan-wise but there service coverage is just tooo spotty. I believe T-Mobile and Sprint will be fighting for the top spot in the industry soon (Or might have a union planned). Reason being, they got the HD2 then Sprint says "Ohh Ohh look at me, checkmate, we've got the Evo!!"
AT&T = lost cause. I hope there cable tv can help them survive. They have too many devices and pretty much nothing that stands out. They were the last to come to the 4G party and won't be up to par anyway.
Now we have little old Sprint. I've been a customer for over 10 years. There customer service has grown leaps and bounds over the past year or so and they have proved they want to be industry leaders. They were the first to 4G, they were the first in the US to upgrade a device to Froyo, and come February 7th they will be the first CDMA carrier with a WP7 Device (And it'll be an HTC Device too). And even with the tiny $10 addon (that I've had for 6 months anyway), I'm still $20-$30 lower than I would be for the exact same thing at any other carrier.
Long live Sprint!!

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No comparison? $39.99 500 minutes + $6-7 for Web2go data, Google Voice for texting, and buy a unlocked Nexus S outright. It IS a very specific and limited choice but a great one.
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That's a good bachelor plan.
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chuckhriczko said:
I love Sprint. I always have. For what I use them for, which is primarily internet, they are the fastest. Great prices, great phones (now at least) and the fastest 3g, and though not in my area, now 4g. Plus my laptop now has 4g built in, though I'm sure you need Clear for that and not Sprint. But I digress. I don't like ATT nor do I like Verizon. I used to have T Mobile under my brother's old employee plan and though I didn't have too many problems with them their coverage was still not as good as Sprint's. However, they do have HSPA+ and they always get the newest Android phones. Plus, HSPA+ is in my area. Now, my contract is up in October some time so i'd wait till then most likely but what is everyone's opinion? Since Verizon DSL sucks ass and I work from home I need an internet connection and some 4g WiMax would be real nice when DSL kicks out on me (besides, my 3Mbps connection I pay for only yields 1.73 Mbps at the most so WiMax would be faster anyway). So the question is, especially to those who have WiMax right now and, preferably, those who have tried TMo's HSPA+ network, if WiMax is not in my area by October 2011, do I stay with Sprint and just go month to month or upgrade my phone or whatnot or do I jump ship to Tmo and get instant, multiple mobile megabit (say that three times fast) gratification?
I'm sure most of you will say Sprint and generally I would too. Especially with the unlimited mobile to mobile regardless of carrier and since my girlfriend has Sprint, Sprint is the most attractive option. But is HSPA+ right now, LTE in the future and the prospect of the coolest Android phones (and most importantly, dev phones) first worth it or is Sprint and their blazing (hey, King of Prussia, PA, after the first or second WiMax firmware update, had speeds of 7+Mbps!) fast WiMax network (which will be more mature than the others by the time they are widespread) worth waiting for? Even after Sprint gets WiMax over here, is it worth keeping or should I switch? Such a hard decision that I have 9 months to make
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Here's my comments to this:
HSPA+ on T-mobile? Cool. Except for the fact that my friend has a G2 with it and I can download apps from the market faster on Sprint's 3g than he can on HSPA+
T-mobile gets the best phones? Not really. And there's no indication they will be getting any of the CES talked phones anytime soon.
I think you're considering leaving Sprint at the wrong time.
Things are looking up. They're adding new customers for the first time in years.
They are getting real good phones that are comparable or better than the other carriers. [The Epic and Evo were considered the "best phones in the world" last year, for example]
Sprint is hands down the cheapest.
Their network coverage is second only to Verizon, and allows for free roaming on Verizon as well.
WiMax will come to your area, eventually.
I'm telling you right now though, HSPA+ is slow.
Sprint's 3g is better.
And no, I don't care about some study taken in the perfect settings, I care about reality.
HSPA+ on T-mobile with full bars is slower than Sprint's 3g with half bars.
I did the test myself.

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G2, MYT4G, Nexus S - all top of the line phones when they were released. Not sure what you are talking about.
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I was referring to the crappy design of the g2(hinge), the nexus is top dog, but its a samsung and no sd card slot (wtf?) and the mt4g is great, but I was thinking about support and tmo's lack of timely upgrades. They are more geared towards the younger crowd and not towards tech heads...just my opinion

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Now we have little old Sprint. I've been a customer for over 10 years. There customer service has grown leaps and bounds over the past year or so and they have proved they want to be industry leaders. They were the first to 4G, they were the first in the US to upgrade a device to Froyo, and come February 7th they will be the first CDMA carrier with a WP7 Device (And it'll be an HTC Device too). And even with the tiny $10 addon (that I've had for 6 months anyway), I'm still $20-$30 lower than I would be for the exact same thing at any other carrier.
Long live Sprint!!
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I too have been a long time sprint customer; you hit it spot on with this post.
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I just came from tmob as well. I for one was pleased with their coverage and service.... for the most part. I had the N1 and damn near cried when I had to hand it over to the Sprint guy for the buy back.
However, I was getting really tired of dropping calls with my wife. That's a local coverage thing but it didn't seem to matter where she or I was, we would get disconnected a lot. We had also started to go over on our minutes which was getting rather pricey.
The last nail in the coffin was when the wife's BB9700 took a crap on her just 1 month after the warranty expired.... big surprise right?
We looked at the Vibrant. Meh. Still on 2.1 (my wife is not into modding her phone or anything so rooted roms don't count for her).
We looked at the G2. Even the tmob salesman said that the hinge mechanism was a piece of crap and didn't recommend the phone.
We looked at the Mytouch 4G. Meh. Running that horrible espresso overlay and you lose the search button for that "Genius" button that couldn't even tell me where the nearest McDonald's was.
So we went to check out Sprint. I always knew that the EVO was one of the top notch pieces of hardware out there and I'm not about to pay the retarded rates that Verizon charges.
So far, very happy with the phone. It's still not my Sexy Nexy but I've got almost all of the same stuff going on it now.
So far, mostly happy with Sprint. No BS when I call with questions. Absolutely no BS when I took my wife's EVO in because the power button wouldn't click. Still worked, just wouldn't click... They replaced it on the spot.... not the button, the whole damn phone. Coverage in my area is so-so. That's to be expected where I live though.
My biggest beef with Sprint is that I can't use data while I'm using voice. That sucks but it isn't a deal breaker.
So, to the OP, I would take a long hard look at how the two carriers compare around the time that you are looking to switch. Then I would look at the hardware available at the time. Then I would make the choice.

T-Mobile has ****-tastic service in Chicago, they blow monkey balls here. The worst building penetration, good luck getting calls in an Basement Office on T-Mobile, or inside skyscrapers. And just random dropped calls daily. I had T-Mo for 3yrs on a few different phones, and all had the same crap service. I traded in my EVO for the Nexus-S at Christmas, ( I am a cell phone addict always upgrading ) anyways, and a week later came running back to Sprint and my EVO. Nexus-S was a cool phone, just not on T-Mo.
6 months I have been on Sprint has been fantastic. Sprint in Chicago is near perfect, never a dropped call, but like once a month maybe, and I get full bars in the Sears Tower, and in Basements. Plus their monthly plan is right there with T-Mo, very good pricing, much cheaper than ATT and Verizon.
And wait until this Summer, when the best smart phone on the market comes out = EVO 2, you will be pissed your on T-Mo.
Bottom Line; yes stick with Sprint. Sprint is the best deal right now, but to me the EVO line is all they got going, which is all I care about anyways, but not many other cool phones on Sprint, the Epic 4G = epic fail, and some other dog pile phones they try to pawn off. Would be cool to see Sprint get the iPhone just to help them get more sales and a better name.

I have been getting more and more frustrated with sprint and today, actually right now the best buy rep is setting up my account with tmobile. Speak with your wallets folks.
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EVo

What will the new evo 4g lte have spec wise? Also will 4g service be an extra charge? I just recently used a friends razor on verizon 4g network and its extremely fast, I was getting almost 2mb per second...I wonder how much coverage sprints 4glite will have and if it will be on par with verizon...since we really never had 4g on the first evo...

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What will the new evo 4g lte have spec wise? Also will 4g service be an extra charge? I just recently used a friends razor on verizon 4g network and its extremely fast, I was getting almost 2mb per second...I wonder how much coverage sprints 4glite will have and if it will be on par with verizon...since we really never had 4g on the first evo...
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specs: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=3742
4g: the 4g will be the same $10 charge we pay for the current wimax 4g
Speed: no one knows how good the lte will be yet but it will almost definitely be above 2mbps since you can get about 5mbps on the current 4g and lte is much better.
Coverage: they just started rolling out lte so it will be a while before it covers anything near what verizon has. but if the rumors are true then we should have lte just about anywhere we have 3g at some point in the future
hope this answers your questions

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What will the new evo 4g lte have spec wise? Also will 4g service be an extra charge? I just recently used a friends razor on verizon 4g network and its extremely fast, I was getting almost 2mb per second...I wonder how much coverage sprints 4glite will have and if it will be on par with verizon...since we really never had 4g on the first evo...
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For specs http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_evo_4g_lte-4665.php visit here. In short, the screen on this phone has been voted by some, as the best on a smart phone yet; as well as the camera.
Id recommend on also do a comparison on 4g vs lte to see the true differences, but lte should bring a much faster network to us. In reality 2mb down is very slow for lte speeds, and in many areas it's common to get 15mb down or more.
Also, chances are that if you are not receiving 4g services currently, you will more than likely be one of the last ones to receive the lte service. LTE or not, this phone is definitely worth the upgrade on 3g alone.
Hope this helps you a bit.

Why is it def worth the upgrade for 3g alone? BTW I just started modding my evo 4g LoL maybe I should visit sprint & see how well the 4glite network is in my area...maybe wait til it goes full swing to 5mb like you said...also I just ordered exdended batteries 3 weeks ago!! lol

If you are still enjoying the EVO Og, and it is doing everything you need it to, there's nothing wrong with stick with it until more details emerge on the LTE network. For a lot of us, we've been flashing and modding since the phone first came out and it's time to move on.
A few big reasons to consider still switching over though are:
- Mod support - a large chunk of the top devs from OG Evo are making the switch, meaning, most of them will likely stop development on this phone.
- The battery life upgrade is going to make a huge difference, or at least we hope. Considering the fact that no one has one in hand yet, we don't have an accurate depiction of the actually battery life - but consider it safe to say that it will easily outlast the OG.
- Screen wise side-by-side it is night and day. Although OG screen isn't bad, a decent comparison is when you first made the switch from watching standard cable to hd (assuming you have).
- Processor is much, much, faster. This will allow for better game play, smooth transitions, and a better overall user experience.
I could literally write at least another 10 - 20 reasons on why to make the switch, but really no need. As I said, if you're still happy with the OG and don't feel the need to switch just yet, you likely will not miss out on much anyways.

Right I understand..Did they finally move the SD card location to the outside and not behind the damn battery...I hated that about the evo...When is the phone due to be out?

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If you are still enjoying the EVO Og, and it is doing everything you need it to, there's nothing wrong with stick with it until more details emerge on the LTE network. For a lot of us, we've been flashing and modding since the phone first came out and it's time to move on.
A few big reasons to consider still switching over though are:
- Mod support - a large chunk of the top devs from OG Evo are making the switch, meaning, most of them will likely stop development on this phone.
- The battery life upgrade is going to make a huge difference, or at least we hope. Considering the fact that no one has one in hand yet, we don't have an accurate depiction of the actually battery life - but consider it safe to say that it will easily outlast the OG.
- Screen wise side-by-side it is night and day. Although OG screen isn't bad, a decent comparison is when you first made the switch from watching standard cable to hd (assuming you have).
- Processor is much, much, faster. This will allow for better game play, smooth transitions, and a better overall user experience.
I could literally write at least another 10 - 20 reasons on why to make the switch, but really no need. As I said, if you're still happy with the OG and don't feel the need to switch just yet, you likely will not miss out on much anyways.
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Wondering how long I can keep it going. If it could rum ics like sense 1.0 it would hold it own. The devs are working hard. Hats off for the efforts. So funny I will run a rom with broken features when it is perfectly capable but yet we press forward for something better. Nothing wrong with that.
Come on little evo...
Come on devs...
And thank you for your hard work.
Next flash? OK...
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The speculation is that the phone will release on May 18th with pre-orders receiving them (possibly) early. And yes, the phone's micro-sd slot is no longer behind the battery, in fact, you will likely never see the battery ever unless you decide to take your's apart.

Yes. No need to worry. Get it. Now. It's in all our best interest. Do it.
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So we will not be able to upgrade the battery!? That sounds like a ****ty iphoney move...THat is one reason I hated the iphone among many others...But Im a power user & I have 3 spare batteries...I work offshore & my phone can only pull 1X so its constantly drawing massive amounts of power...I usually go thru 1 sprint 2600mah battery & about 50% of an anker 1700mah battery...2000mah is not going to cut it....
Also, will sprints lte network actually work & be widespread...I have fears of the lte network never even being available somewhat like the evo 4g...I never once got to use 4g on it...BTW verizon 4g is amazingly fast & very widespread, tested it out on a friends razor max

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So we will not be able to upgrade the battery!? That sounds like a ****ty iphoney move...THat is one reason I hated the iphone among many others...But Im a power user & I have 3 spare batteries...I work offshore & my phone can only pull 1X so its constantly drawing massive amounts of power...I usually go thru 1 sprint 2600mah battery & about 50% of an anker 1700mah battery...2000mah is not going to cut it....
Also, will sprints lte network actually work & be widespread...I have fears of the lte network never even being available somewhat like the evo 4g...I never once got to use 4g on it...BTW verizon 4g is amazingly fast & very widespread, tested it out on a friends razor max
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With Sense 4.0 and ICS in general, battery life should be amazing compared to our OG Evo. If I were you, wait a couple of months to see results of how battery life is from real world experience. People with the One X with the Quad core are reporting great battery life and their phones have a smaller battery (1800 mAh). The new Evo has a SoC, 28nm chip which will help wasting precious battery life and generate less heat, as well as its larger battery. Overall it seems to be a great phone with enough new quirks to help many upgrade from the OG for a better experience.
One thing that no one talks about is that at some point were expected to be able to ROAM on someones LTE network. (Most likely Verizon) We don't have that now because nobody is running WiMAX except Sprint. Good article about it on goodandevo.net
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Roam to verizons network?? How is that possible if EVO does not use SIM card...I thought to get on another carriers network you need their sim card...I almost jumped the gun due to the low price offered at wirefly..But after the promises of 4g on the first EVO never coming to light for me I Have decided to wait & see...My current evo does everything I need. Only gripe is the 4g that sprint promised which makes me think the same will happen with 4glite....Ive tried a razor max on verizons 4glte & it leaves sprint in the dust....Also, if the lte network is not up & working when the EVO lte is released & the evo lte has no working wimax then what network are you supposed to connect too? Sounds eerily similar to the EVO 4g launch

Verizon and Sprint phones, to the best of my knowledge stopped using SIM cards awhile ago. Sprint allows us to roam on Verizon when there's no Sprint coverage because Sprint signed a roaming agreement to use Verizon.
How were going to roam, I'm not 100% sure but I'm sure we will find out soon.
goodandevo.net/2012/03/here-is-sprints-future-lte-coverage-cap.html
Edit: this would be for the new EVO LTE, not the previous WiMAX versions. Just wanted to clarify.
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You won't be able to roam as sprints lte is at 1900mhz and Verizon is something totally different.
Should be a beast of a phone though. Lte is already live in a few cities and the LG viper lte is already out along with a Samsung lte phone.
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That's true but one can hope lol. But don't forget that Sprint is shutting down Nextels iDen network which will give us the 800 MHz frequency for better building penetration. At least we have that to look forward to in the future. I think Verizon is somewhere in the 700 MHz.
Maybe Sprint classifies some builder of LTE towers (sort of like ClearWire) are the future "roaming" areas that are the grey on the map from goodandevo.net?
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