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G1 vs iPhone 3GS

I have been a loyal T-mobile customer since 2003, so when I had to move to Iowa, I tried really hard to live with the local roaming partner and my G1. After many problems with my service and signal strength at home, I decided to move on. I want to give T-mobile credit here, because I had 15 months left on my contract and they waived the ETF. Thanks to them and here is a rare story for everyone of some good customer service reguarding ETFs. I travel out of the country a few times a year, so I wanted a GSM phone that I could take with me. In my area, that really only left me with the roaming partner I had been frustrated with, (Iowa Wireless) and AT&T. Timing was just right, so I went ahead and bought 2 3GS iPhones for my wife and I. I did get my G1's unlocked and they are for sell if anyone's interested, (one rooted, one stock, both black, one has a small ding from a drop, the other's perfect, make an offer) but I've always wanted to try an iPhone out for myself and this just worked out well for us. I love Android, the open-ness of it, the customization possible and the general ability to tinker and hack it is very appealing to me. That being said, the 3GS is a great phone. The video recording is the best on any phone I've ever used or seen firsthand. I'm sure some of the unlocked HTC or Nokia phones that cost 400, 500 or 800 bucks can match or beat it. But for a subsidized US carried phone I am impressed. Also, the anti-fingerpring oleophobic (probably spelled that wrong) coating is amazing. A friend stopped by with a 3G iPhone and the difference was amazing. Also the speed difference is very very noticable. People here bash some ROM's for being too slow or not "snappy" enough compared to others. The difference between a 3G and te 3GS is way more than any difference I experienced with the roms I tried on my G1. I know this is a HTC dream forum, but as a big Android fan, I wanted to share my experience with the switch. Now after the HTC Hero comes out, among many other different versions of Android phones, I'd place my bets on them. For now, however, the new iPhone is hard to beat in my opinion.
Also, I have not posted very many times as I rarely have any useful input that hasn't already been shared, but I have used this forum so much for the last year. Thanks to everyone who contributes here. Without XDA the G1 and Android wouldn't be near the phone and platform they are.

ive got a g1 and a iphone 2g. i like both of them a lot but even the iphone 2g is a better and faster phone than tha g1

The reason I liked my G1 is totally different than why I like my iphone. Honestly, my G1 was almost a hobby by itself. This started when I got my old Nokia 5300 and started tinkering with it. Then I got a T-mobile Shadow / HTC Juno. Windows Mobile is kind of a pain in the ass, but there's no questioning all the capabilities you can get on your phone if you're patient enough. With Android it was all about what can my phone do next? With the iphone its, damn, this phone actually made my day easier and more enjoyable. So far I use my iphone's capabilites more than I did the G1.

wfagan59 said:
The reason I liked my G1 is totally different than why I like my iphone. Honestly, my G1 was almost a hobby by itself. This started when I got my old Nokia 5300 and started tinkering with it. Then I got a T-mobile Shadow / HTC Juno. Windows Mobile is kind of a pain in the ass, but there's no questioning all the capabilities you can get on your phone if you're patient enough. With Android it was all about what can my phone do next? With the iphone its, damn, this phone actually made my day easier and more enjoyable. So far I use my iphone's capabilites more than I did the G1.
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I guess in this sense its arguable that the iPhone's reliability factor beats the G1. However, I think if we all dropped the custom ROMs and Apps2SD we might be able to gain that reliability factor the iPhone has through the stock ROMs. I don't see many people flashing custom ROMs onto iPhones now ;D

True, we are all blazing ahead with custom G1 roms that aren't as clean or ultimately reliable as the OEM's (although once again the custom roms are a huge part of why I think we all love android). I never really had a problem with reliability on my G1. I kept a copy of a ROM I knew worked well at all times on my sd card and only had to use it once when apps2sd went a little haywire one day. I just don't feel the need to modify the iphone as much as I did with the G1. The one thing I wasn't looking foward to was giving up the G1's actual keyboard. This has proven to be easier than I thought it would be. I can type pretty fast on the iphone. Not as quick or error free as my G1, but it's getting easier and hasn't been the stubling block I thouth it would be. I am a huge google user though and I miss the close connectivity the G1 had more than anything so far.

Seriously? This discussion AGAIN?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=527614

The big thing is that the G1 LETS us modify it, the iPhone... does not.

g1 has potential to be great but is hindered by internal specifications by the devices in which their released with. as soon as there is a phone with the same internal specs as the iphone whatever generation it may be then we will see android pure potential.

xadaniman said:
g1 has potential to be great but is hindered by internal specifications by the devices in which their released with. as soon as there is a phone with the same internal specs as the iphone whatever generation it may be then we will see android pure potential.
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i think thats called the HTC Hero

never had the I phone, but i had many clones and many touch phones in the last 2 years and have many friends with the i phone 3g 3gs and there sorry as in the look and fell they are a nice device. as in speed pssst. my G1 smoked any i phone on 3g with stocked webkit and there browser and on wifi they where still lodading java pics and i was all ready browsing face book. and now with the rooting vs pawing or what ever it is that u do to unlock the i phone remember the first unlocked i phone had to be cracked open and rewired. the first g1 was a change in a bash file directory lol. The i phone is the jessus phone dont get me wrong but the g1 and android are the gods that every person prays to when there phone is stolen broken or lost.

alexjzim said:
i think thats called the HTC Hero
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Not really, the htc hero is identical to the dream except for double the flash/ram and it doesn't have a keyboard. Junk in my opinion.
The Sony X2 looks interesting though, assuming that it'll be possible to root/customize it and ditch their goofy UI.

lbcoder said:
Not really, the htc hero is identical to the dream except for double the flash/ram and it doesn't have a keyboard. Junk in my opinion.
The Sony X2 looks interesting though, assuming that it'll be possible to root/customize it and ditch their goofy UI.
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one word...."Rachel"

pinetreehater said:
one word...."Rachel"
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Yeah, except no hard keyboard, no call buttons, and no trackball/d-pad. Its like one step forward, three steps back.

For all you HD2 owners that want to get a nexus.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/04/27/google.nexus.one/
Yep thats right.
In January they claimed it was the second coming of christ and now they are giving up on fixing the numerous problems.
Way to go Google. I'm done with you. Love my new HD2 and Winmo 6.5.

I bought a nexus one after my HD2. I loaded the desire ROM on it after about 2 hours of playing with the device. Needless to say I'm typing this on my HD2

mike91t said:
I bought a nexus one after my HD2. I loaded the desire ROM on it after about 2 hours of playing with the device. Needless to say I'm typing this on my HD2
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Lol I'm right there with ya. Bought Nexus on launch day. four months of daily battery pulls from constant freezing, terrible signal and Edge/3G jumping back and forth I got myself an HD2. The fact that Google is telling people to just get a Droid Incredible instead was icing on the cake.

I was thinking in buying one for my wife.... since I thought it was a decent OS that not needed tweaks....
thanks... I'll buy her an Iphone instead...

lol, my dilemma is solved.

it is android which make it also better than hd2 ,but i prefere desire

Same issues wit HD2, terrible device, i've heard less complains about N1 than HD2..Atleast google had a software updates in a month? Whats taking T-mobile so long..

hoss_n2 said:
it is android which make it also better than hd2
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No it doesn't. Android is more similar to Windows Mobile than different.
I love how because the OS is so new and constantly updated, it suddenly becomes better. That's simply not the case. Android doesn't have all of the functionality Windows Mobile does quite yet, and its polish/fit&finish don't hold a candle to that demonstrated by the iPhone OS. In reality Android occupies its own niche, championed by a number of evangelists who hail its novelty and progress as its strength. In reality, it's catching up (Market to App Store, integrated functionality to Windows Mobile integrated functionality).
My two experiences with Android in the Nexus One and Milestone were both boring and awful.

My HD2 makes me feel dirty

Hello friends. I have had my hd2 for about a month and a half now and I have not gotten close to it. My last phone purchase before the hd2 was the g1. I fell for that phone in about an hour. I felt it was at that tome the best phone I had ever had and it was nice and snappy. I had it for 2 years and had no issues ever. Then the touch screen got numbed and it decided to work on and off. I was going to run out and get a new one but I decided that I should just get a newer model. I knew it was going to be htc but the hd2 rePly stuck out foe me. Huge screen Wich felt good in my bear claw hands. And it is so sexy. Hardware is top of the line. I thought I was golden foe at least another 2 years. Yea right. I can't stand this phone. The touch input is not responsive enough to let me type at the speed I feel comfortabl at. And the web browser is not even in the same leauge as the one on the g1. I feel that I got a phone that wasn't me. I feel so bad and it hurts bad. The problem is that I bought it cash on a whim when it was sold out all over for $600.I know a bit high but what can I do. I felt it was fair I figure two years of use is less than a dollar a day for top notch hardware was ok. But this phone is not working for me. I feel bad when I say. Windows mobile killed the hd2. Htc should release some android for this. It seems that windows mobile isn't really the best for me. It may be great but I just fell for android. Now I have this horrid phone and I don't even like it. I actually just got an iPhone 2g and I like it more. And I hate the iPhone but what can I say. I found someone who will take my hd2 and give me a 16gb 3gs and a samsung behold 2. Seems pretty good. I can sll the build for a couple dollars maybe 150 ish and then sll the 3gs for around 400 maybe and then get me a nexus one or maybe I will just hold on to th cash and wait for htc to release another great android phone for tmobile. And no the mytouch slide is not htc top for tmobile I hope. Maybe I should wait till end of summer for some special and then use my renew credit. Tmobile is my only choice. Common tmoble be tops in android again please. The only affordable provider that has 3 lines unlmt talk for $99. I can't leave them

ericm115 said:
Hello friends. I have had my hd2 for about a month and a half now and I have not gotten close to it. My last phone purchase before the hd2 was the g1. I fell for that phone in about an hour. I felt it was at that tome the best phone I had ever had and it was nice and snappy. I had it for 2 years and had no issues ever. Then the touch screen got numbed and it decided to work on and off. I was going to run out and get a new one but I decided that I should just get a newer model. I knew it was going to be htc but the hd2 rePly stuck out foe me. Huge screen Wich felt good in my bear claw hands. And it is so sexy. Hardware is top of the line. I thought I was golden foe at least another 2 years. Yea right. I can't stand this phone. The touch input is not responsive enough to let me type at the speed I feel comfortabl at. And the web browser is not even in the same leauge as the one on the g1. I feel that I got a phone that wasn't me. I feel so bad and it hurts bad. The problem is that I bought it cash on a whim when it was sold out all over for $600.I know a bit high but what can I do. I felt it was fair I figure two years of use is less than a dollar a day for top notch hardware was ok. But this phone is not working for me. I feel bad when I say. Windows mobile killed the hd2. Htc should release some android for this. It seems that windows mobile isn't really the best for me. It may be great but I just fell for android. Now I have this horrid phone and I don't even like it. I actually just got an iPhone 2g and I like it more. And I hate the iPhone but what can I say. I found someone who will take my hd2 and give me a 16gb 3gs and a samsung behold 2. Seems pretty good. I can sll the build for a couple dollars maybe 150 ish and then sll the 3gs for around 400 maybe and then get me a nexus one or maybe I will just hold on to th cash and wait for htc to release another great android phone for tmobile. And no the mytouch slide is not htc top for tmobile I hope. Maybe I should wait till end of summer for some special and then use my renew credit. Tmobile is my only choice. Common tmoble be tops in android again please. The only affordable provider that has 3 lines unlmt talk for $99. I can't leave them
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Sounds like Verizon is a better choice for you phone wise, and t-mobile is your choice for coverage and pricing.
Although T-mobile has some andriod phones the other carriers have the top android/droid phones other than the nexus one. Now you have to find out what one is bigger to you and then figure a solution for the other. HTC will never give this phone anroid but it might be ported by a developer. But doesn't look like any time soon.

Its called the galaxy S. I really think its coming to tmobile just wait for it.

bwest411 said:
Its called the galaxy S. I really think its coming to tmobile just wait for it.
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x2. if you're gonna stick with t-mobile and want to stick with a device that has premium hardware like the hd2, wait for the galaxy s to come out. 4" screen, front camera, rear camera. Super AMOLED display.
i also upgraded from a both a g1 and a mytouch to an hd2. however, i'm not on the same boat as the OP of this thread. i have grown to like win mo 6.5 more and more and have made all the necessary tweaks to make the hd2 the way i want it to run and look in terms of theme and performance.
perhaps you should try flashing a rom or find the necessary .cab files such as cookie's home tab to help you change your mind about ditching this phone.

ryan562 said:
x2. if you're gonna stick with t-mobile and want to stick with a device that has premium hardware like the hd2, wait for the galaxy s to come out. 4" screen, front camera, rear camera. Super AMOLED display.
i also upgraded from a both a g1 and a mytouch to an hd2. however, i'm not on the same boat as the OP of this thread. i have grown to like win mo 6.5 more and more and have made all the necessary tweaks to make the hd2 the way i want it to run and look in terms of theme and performance.
perhaps you should try flashing a rom or find the necessary .cab files such as cookie's home tab to help you change your mind about ditching this phone.
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Exactly. I had mixed feelings about this phone when I first got it, and felt the same way you did. I paid full price for it (because of my hatred for contracts) and felt like I had made a huge mistake and instantly wanted to buy a Nexus One so I could shelf this device. But as I got more involved with the development community and tried different ROMs and 3rd party apps, I began to love it, not only is the performance better, but it is much sexier than it was. I still plan on buying a Nexus One (fandroid ) but by no means am I going to excommunicate myself from this device.
WinMo 6.5 was like an ugly girl with a great personality. You want nothing to do with her until you get to know her
But seriously, do not give up on this phone before testing everything out with it

Thanks for the responses.
I think that i have found the main issue with my phone. I have spbshell on it and i feel restricted. I think im going to just try and make my own rom. with what suites me. I also realized that i have a phone fetish or something. In my collection i have a G1, MyTouch 3g 1.2, iPhone 2g, HTC Hero, HTC HD2, Samsung Behold 2. I have to many phones. most recent was the iPhone 2g and it is not as bad as i thought. i was thinking of getting a iPhone 4 but i cant. I need to find a way to make this hd2 work for me. I hate the battery life also. o well,i guess i could just make a small 2000mah battery pack. that would fix things.
again thanks

Seriously dude, check out some different ROMs, and try Cookie's Home Tab. CHT actually mods the stock Sense interface, which is likely to work much better/smoother, and with less restrictions. Most of the ROMs available get rid of all the bloatware, and add speed/stability to the device.
I was in the same situation as you... and was seriously considering returning my HD2 and picking up the N1 instead. However, after installing several tweak apps and flashing Dinik & Miri's new ROM, I'm VERY satisfied. Works smooth, looks great, and has a lot of the features that I wanted from Android.
It really pays to do your homework, and spend some time modding your device... it takes time and trial/error to figure out what works best for you, but I'm sure you can get your HD2 running as you hoped it would. Just spend some time scouring these forums, and you'll find lots of good info on how to get the most out of your device. It can be a bit overwhelming, as a lot of the info is scattered throughout different subforums, but I'm confident you can find what you're looking for.
Also, it would help to know what mods/tweaks you've done to your HD2 so far, so we make recommendations on what you can do to make you happy with it (I.E.- ROM version, .cabs installed, etc.)

I took the plunge and traded it, I got a great deal. 1 iPhone 3GS and a Nexus one with a cracked screen. Now i have repaired the nexus one. I am happy with my trade. The HD2 had power but i didn't like it, not very fun to use. The 3gs is great and the nexus one is also great. true smaller screen but the ui is much better on both the iphone and nexus one. I wish tmobile would have something lined up for next year that is better than the incredible. If not i see no reason to stay with them. my contracts up in 3 months and they don't really have anything they could offer me to stay. plus the prepaid unlimited all on tmo network for $60 looks nice.

Glad to hear it worked out for you. I honestly love the HD2 and sleep with it nightly. But everyones different and uses different features. How you liking being a Machead?

ericm115 said:
I took the plunge and traded it, I got a great deal. 1 iPhone 3GS and a Nexus one with a cracked screen. Now i have repaired the nexus one. I am happy with my trade. The HD2 had power but i didn't like it, not very fun to use. The 3gs is great and the nexus one is also great. true smaller screen but the ui is much better on both the iphone and nexus one. I wish tmobile would have something lined up for next year that is better than the incredible. If not i see no reason to stay with them. my contracts up in 3 months and they don't really have anything they could offer me to stay. plus the prepaid unlimited all on tmo network for $60 looks nice.
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Sprint carries the HTC EVO 4G, which is the same as an HTC HD2 except running Android, with an 8mp camera that can shoot video in 720p.
I must admit I wish I had signed for that instead, but I'm stuck for 2 years.

Evo's a great phone I just feel it came out at the wrong time. I think by Christmas it will be old news and we may see dual core's. Had it come out at the same time as the HD2 I would be liking it better.

HTC HD2 Android Exchange?

Hey guys-
Please bare with me here . I recently purchased an almost brand new T-mobile HTC HD2 from a person on Craiglist for 300 bucks. Well it turned out that the phone the person sold me was defective, i.e. a hardware malfunction of somekind , and because T-mobile thought I had bought it through them online, they said it was covered under the "Buyer's Remorse" period. So because of this I sent the one I had originally bought back to T-Mobile for a replacement, and they are sending me a brand new one in the box with all the accesories, factory sealed. But, since I had a chance to play around with winmo 6.5, and HTC Sense, I hate them both. So my question is, because I'm getting a brand new HTC HD2, should I return this one in exchange for a refund and buy something like a nexus one? Or should I stick with this phone? Or...should I exchange the HD2 for something else on T-mobile's network? Any advice would be appreciated. Btw, I payed 300 for the original hd2 I bought, but T-Mo is sending me one worth $450, so it's like there paying me 150 bucks, and they didn't even ask for a proof of purchase, lmao. Kinda cool that's all.
-regards, Bobofosho123

I had the HTC HD and ended up not liking it at all, I really wanted to but just hated everything about it in the end with the exception of the camara. I ended up trading my HD with someone on CL for a T-Mobile 3G Slide and I LOVE it! Im originally coming from an iPhone which I loved but got tired of Crapple and not having 3G speed and this slide is turning out to be even better than my iPhone. It sells for almost the same price as the HD. Just thought i would tell you that and maybe you can send your HD back (if you dont like it) and see if they will give you a slide.

Yeah, thanks for the response. And to he honest, to go from a high-end phone like the HD2 down to a mid-range phone like the slide seems like a ripoff to me. If it's possible, I may return the HD2 to T-Mobile and ask for a check or cash back, if that's possible, and just buy a Nexus One or an ipad (maybe).

get the tmobile samsung vibrant due out july 21. 1ghz cpu, 4" super amoled screen. android phone

ryan562 said:
get the tmobile samsung vibrant due out july 21. 1ghz cpu, 4" super amoled screen. android phone
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i would say check out the android port for the HD2, but it isnt anywhere near completion and who knows how long it could be.

palosjr said:
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i would say check out the android port for the HD2, but it isnt anywhere near completion and who knows how long it could be.
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The android port will probably never work like an android phone... it probably won't be good enough to use full-time instead of winmo for at least a year... so if you want android, get an android phone.

The guys here at xda are doing a fabulous job porting Android to the HD2. I've been reading their progress stream and a year to complete is ridiculous. These guys are making leaps and bounds. Recently they put Ubuntu Linux "successfully" on the HD2. No phone functions but what a triumph! Not going to be long for the full port. I'll keep my HD2 just in anticipation of their success. Thanks again developers for all your long hours and hard work. It's much appreciated.
and by the way, Microsoft is losing the battle against Android and will continue doing so. Microsoft's business plan is skewed. Get the product out by the deadline...even if it isn't finished. (Windows 95, 98, 98Se, ME, NT, 2000, XP, Vista...)The mobile 6.5 is the SSDD. It is PLAGUED with problems. I should know, I have one. Sorry for the soapbox everyone.

Hey, I agree, the progress on porting android to the hd2 has been, and this isn't an exaggeration, but I don't feel like waiting an entire year for a fully-working and bug-free android port. I think the smartest decision would be to go with the Samsung Vibrant, which has a screen that's almost as big as the HD2's and has android, and is for T-Mobile out of the box. So wouldn't that be the smartest decision? I do want an answer to that question by the way

The things is the HD2 just seems sleeker and more refined to me personally, sure the Vibrant may have the Android OS but I'll wait to get Android on my HD2.
Just my 2 cents.

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Hey, I agree, the progress on porting android to the hd2 has been, and this isn't an exaggeration, but I don't feel like waiting an entire year for a fully-working and bug-free android port. I think the smartest decision would be to go with the Samsung Vibrant, which has a screen that's almost as big as the HD2's and has android, and is for T-Mobile out of the box. So wouldn't that be the smartest decision? I do want an answer to that question by the way
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the samsung vibrant looks to be a good phone. if you've been reading some of the reviews on it you will find out that it has a better/dedicated GPU for gaming and graphics then our own hd2, nexus one, droid, iphone 3gs. its hummingbird processor is also considered to run faster/smoother than our own 1ghz snapdragon processor as well. on top of that, it's super amoled screen rivals that of the iphone 4 and performs better in sunlight then typical amoleds and offers better battery life.
you make the call. i may purchase the vibrant out of contract while keeping my hd2. good to have the best of both worlds for me. i also forgot to mention that you also have to worry about gingerbread and froyo updates via OTA from t-mobile. much easier to get them on an android-ready phone like the vibrant. samsung is going to release this phone on all major carriers so updates are on the horizon. (this is for those who think that samsung won't push for updates as they haven't had in the past)

bobofosho123 said:
If it's possible, I may return the HD2 to T-Mobile and ask for a check or cash back, if that's possible, and just buy a Nexus One or an ipad (maybe).
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This sounds like a really bad idea. Ever hear the phrase, "Take the money and run" Take the HD2 and sell it on ebay, then go buy what ever you want. If you have no receipt and your not listed as the owner on the account you may get screwed. What if this guy got the phone on a payment plan? What if he got the contract deal and they won't issue the refund and won't send you your phone once they discover the error. Just think about it a bit and count your blessings because this whole thing could of gone a whole other direction.

shamusmckinney said:
The guys here at xda are doing a fabulous job porting Android to the HD2. I've been reading their progress stream and a year to complete is ridiculous. These guys are making leaps and bounds. Recently they put Ubuntu Linux "successfully" on the HD2. No phone functions but what a triumph! Not going to be long for the full port. I'll keep my HD2 just in anticipation of their success. Thanks again developers for all your long hours and hard work. It's much appreciated.
and by the way, Microsoft is losing the battle against Android and will continue doing so. Microsoft's business plan is skewed. Get the product out by the deadline...even if it isn't finished. (Windows 95, 98, 98Se, ME, NT, 2000, XP, Vista...)The mobile 6.5 is the SSDD. It is PLAGUED with problems. I should know, I have one. Sorry for the soapbox everyone.
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Yes, they are making great progress... but there will probably never be a full "completed" port.... it will probably never run like an android phone. It's ridiculous to think it will. Have you used any of the other android ports for winmo phones? Some have been developed for years... and development went just as quick for some of them... and they are still a long way from being complete or "fully" functional. It will be awesome to have winmo, which I consider the best and most customizable mobile os, on my hd2 most of the time and be able to boot into android to use specific apps or play around with when I want. It will be somewhat functional in the next couple months (probably missing camera, and a few other things, and will probably be a battery drain... but usable)... but it will not be as functional as an android phone and probably not functional enough to want to use full-time on the hd2 instead of winmo for probably a year or so. Like I said... do some research... look at the development history of the other ports.
I also disagree about what you say about winmo... I've used it since 2003. I've also used android for a couple years.... Winmo is just as stable, and much more customizable and functional than android is at this point. I admit.. its not as user friendly... and it takes time and knowledge to set it up to use it's functionality. Android is quickly catching up as it's constantly being developed, and android was designed from the beginning to be a phone os. WinMo was designed to be a stand alone pocket pc os, and phone functionality has been added since the convergence of pocket pcs and phones... so the phone functions of it can be a little awkward or not implemented efficiently. But if you're looking for pc functionality, winmo blows android out of the water.
Don't get me wrong... I love android too... and can't wait for the hd2 port to be developed more... but be realistic with your expectations. There's plenty of past times this has been done to know what to expect with it if you do some reading. Android on the HD2 will be great... that's another great thing about winmo phones... they usually get android ported at some point. But if you want to use android full-time, its best to get an android phone. If you can't stand winmo, don't keep the HD2 expecting a perfect android port that runs like an android phone.

ryan562 said:
the samsung vibrant looks to be a good phone. if you've been reading some of the reviews on it you will find out that it has a better/dedicated GPU for gaming and graphics then our own hd2, nexus one, droid, iphone 3gs. its hummingbird processor is also considered to run faster/smoother than our own 1ghz snapdragon processor as well. on top of that, it's super amoled screen rivals that of the iphone 4 and performs better in sunlight then typical amoleds and offers better battery life.
you make the call. i may purchase the vibrant out of contract while keeping my hd2. good to have the best of both worlds for me. i also forgot to mention that you also have to worry about gingerbread and froyo updates via OTA from t-mobile. much easier to get them on an android-ready phone like the vibrant. samsung is going to release this phone on all major carriers so updates are on the horizon. (this is for those who think that samsung won't push for updates as they haven't had in the past)
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Yeah man, I'm watching some reviews on the vibrant now and it definitely looks like the phone for me, and I can deal with .3 inches less screen size, as compared to the HD2. Not to mention, the vibrant seems to have a better screen than the HD2 anyway. And to think I only paid 300 bucks for my HD2 on Craigslist originally, lmao!!!! I'm certainly going to get one hell of a trade here, woot woot !!!!

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Hey, I agree, the progress on porting android to the hd2 has been, and this isn't an exaggeration, but I don't feel like waiting an entire year for a fully-working and bug-free android port. I think the smartest decision would be to go with the Samsung Vibrant, which has a screen that's almost as big as the HD2's and has android, and is for T-Mobile out of the box. So wouldn't that be the smartest decision? I do want an answer to that question by the way
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You got to remember, when i first saw it on tmobile website, the Vibrant was in the list and it was sold for $350 bucks. And that was like 4 or 5 in the morning. I got really stoked because i thought tmobile watned to surprise anyone by releasing galaxy s. But turned out, it think it was their mistake for putting up the price tag. Anyway, my point is, no matter how good Vibrant could be, the hardware quality does not come any near my HD2. No matter how some people hate this device, they must admit it is the highest quality device out there. Vibrant has plastic back, no flash and 4in screen is a joke compared to 4.3 And heard it was light which doesn't feel expensive. Anyway, i'm waiting for even bigger one HD3. I know it is a rumor, but HD2 was a ridiculous rumor, but hey, i'm holding one right now.

[Q] [4 July] [DISC] Is there any phone as sweet as the HD2?

Well my Hermes is getting a little old and I'm shopping for a new phone. The HD2 seems extremely awesome. I love that I could always fall back to WM6.5 if WP7 and Android don't suit me. It seems this phone is also quite common so with a little patience I should be able to find one at a price I want to pay. The only thing that I'm not crazy about it the lack of a hard keyboard. I see that there is a Toshiba K01/IS02 with a hard keyboard that also has a capacitive screen even though it shipped with WM6.5 but it seems to be a rare and undeveloped phone.
Can anyone tell me if there are any other WM6.5/WP7 phones besides the HD2?

I think no atm,

I too was not keen on no hardware keyboard but ended up getting a T-Mob HD2 because the price was right.
All I can say is typing on screen is far faster than any HTC hardware keyboard I have tried & you can use a mini hardware keyboard via BlueTooth if required.
All in all the lack of hardware keyboard was a step forward for my typing experience ...

For the criteria you are asking HD2 is the best. This is the best dual OS phone out there. And I agree with previous post that screen keyboard is way better. My prevois phone was TyTyn II but I think I like sceen keyboard more than hard keyboard. It just takes a little time to get use to typing on the screen. I am really happy with HD2 and I can not think of the better phone for now that does not cost more than 300 euro and have such features. But the choice is yours. Good luck.
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Wait a sec. No video out? What the dip?

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Wait a sec. No video out? What the dip?
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Indeed that was a big mistake from HTC ... The flagship model at the time with no video out ! between that & the selected battery capacity some HTC designers & market researchers should of been shot ...

Well I'm not sure about w7 but the HTC touch pro 2 can run Android & w6.5..(a bit laggy though & very outdated) & also has tv out I believe. It's been sometime since I've owed it so I can't remember. I text (up 2) 4000 texts each month & Im coming from the mytouch slide which has a keyboard....I have 2 say I really dont miss it. I will admit it took me a good few days b4 I could text as fast as any of my old phones that had a keyboard.
Personally I would suggest to buy a phone that has good development that way you won't be left in the dark. Going from the tp2 to the mytouch was horrible bc I had a phone that was well developed & then went 2 a phone that was slim pickins 2 mod it.
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The Desire HD is sort of like an upgraded HD2. I hear that a lot of devs are also working on it.

I was just like the OP, really excited that I could fall back on to WM6.5 if I didn't like Android or WP7. Then I moved to Android and never looked back.
I do admit the HD2 is a beastly device, I can't think of any other device that is nearly as hackable... the HD2 runs WM6.5, WP7 and Android all basically as if those were all natively supported.
Still though, it will soon be 2 whole years since the HD2 was announced. I personally had one for 18 months before buying a Galaxy SII. The HD2 looks pretty modern on paper... 4.3" screen, Snapdragon processor... but next to a truly modern phone like the GSII the HD2 looks clearly dated.
I put WP7 on the HD2 but it's not really my cup of tea. I also tried going back to WM6.5 but after a year with Android I found it laughably slow and clunky. So I may end up selling the HD2, though it would be by far the hardest device I've ever parted with.
I don't really know what to tell the OP. The HD2 is a hell of a phone and can run the newest versions of WP7, but when you set it next to a newer, official WP7 device you will see the differences. If you don't already own an HD2 I'd advise getting a WP7 phone, maybe one with a better screen than the HD2 has got... unless you really have a need to still be running WinMo 6.5.

wildfire dipped in honey+chocolate sauce is sweet !!

Love the hd2. Got it for it's support of tzone grandfathered plans on 3g. Wm6.5 is a joke. I could not believe how amazing the phone was after removing that dead weight of an os.
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I am too trying to upgrade my HD2. I am thinking of Nexus one. It seems similar in many ways to HD2, but will have a better battery life. My plan is to: sell HD2 + $50 = Brand new Nexus one.
I was also thinking of Moto Defy...

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I am too trying to upgrade my HD2. I am thinking of Nexus one. It seems similar in many ways to HD2, but will have a better battery life. My plan is to: sell HD2 + $50 = Brand new Nexus one.
I was also thinking of Moto Defy...
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I'd recommend looking at a Nexus S... a bit plastic, but the Nexus One is long in the tooth now, in terms of hardware.

Wow thanks for all the input today, Guys! I discovered a couple more things today that are going to affect my phone purchase. The first thing is that the T-Mobile branded HD2 does not support the 850 band and I am an AT&T user so not only would I not get 3G on it, but AT&T generally sends me angry emails when I use like a gig of data while "roaming" on T-Mobile's towers.
I doubt I'm going to be able to get an HD2 that does HSDPA850 at a bargain price so I checked out my upgrade options through AT&T. I am considering the following phones which I can get practically free, and here's my thoughts on each from most to least likely to be my next phone.
Samsung Focus - I've played with this phone at the store and it has the nicest looking screen by far of the three AT&T branded WP7 phones. Looks nice (except no video out). Everyone posting ITT has given me some faith in on-capacitive-screen keyboards and I must have had to work on my Hermes a million times because of the slide mechanism damaging, or more often just twisting the ribbon cable. I guess the only doubt that I have in my heart about this phone is that it's a WP7 only phone and I don't believe in WP7 largely because it's not backwards compatible with any of my WM6.5 apps. It boggles my mind that someone asked why I would want WM compatibility after I have spent nine years using it.
HTC Inspire - Seems like a pretty solid Android phone, and one of only two Android phones in the price range I want to pay (although still $50 more than the Focus). Video out only through DLNA
iPhone 3g 8gb - I think we all know everything we need to know about this animal. It's solid, spare parts are plentiful, and it's extensively developed. I just hate Apple. I don't want to have to install iTunes on my computer and so forth. Still may be my choice purely for resale value.
LG Quantum - Ditto most of the Samsung Focus opinion. Noticeably poorer screen (smaller and backlit LCD vs OLED), but does have a hardware keyboard and is the form factor I am accustomed to from the last six years with Wizard and Hermes. I guess Focus or HD2 would just feel like Wallaby in my pocket though.
Samsung Solstice II - Basically what the Quantum is to the Focus, the Solstice is to the Inspire in the Android arena. Smaller, poorer screen in exchange for a slide out keyboard. DLNA compatible though.
Palm Pre Plus and Palm Pixi - Seem like decent phones but a little too cute for me. Plus I have even greater misgivings about Palm's WebOS than I do about WP7.
Sony Ericcson Vivaz - I carried an Ngage for a while switching back and forth with Wallaby. There seemed to be a lot of development for Symbian back then and it was stable. Probably not the thing to discuss on this forum though..
Anyway, hopefully I'm not derailing my own thread too much or getting it off the topic of the section I posted it in but I appreciate all the replies and would love to hear what everyone thinks. Deciding which phone to get can be a real brain drain! And what's up with hardly anything having video out? My friend's Evo has a freakin' HDMI port right on it!