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Poor video recording compared to Moto Droid?

I've done a whole battery of video recording comparisons with my Moto an HTC droids. My main findings are thus:
1. Moto video is much smoother and the light balancing is also sm oother. I find that the Incredible videos are very jumpy and the light brightness also shifts very ruggedly. It is mildly better when I record at the 640x480 instead of 800x480.
2. The video data rates are nearly twice as large on the Moto droid (approx 3600kbps) than the incredible (approx 2000kbps)
3. Audio bit rates are significantly better on the Moto. 98kbps vs 12kbps for the Incredible.
Now, am I just crazy, or has anyone else noticed this? I mean, I almost get sick just watching the jumpy video for the incredible, but video from the Moto seems so smooth.
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no way. the moto droid noise level is so high when recording.

I'm really having a hard time appreciating much of a difference in noise levels. What about the jumpiness I am speaking of? Trust me, I want to believe that the Incredible is better, but I'm just not seeing it. Audio is hands down better on the Moto. Maybe I can link some sample videos later if I get time.
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I wonder if HTC has some work to do here. I even saw the moto droid vs DI picture article online.
I have both, so I did an informal test, and the DI has some color cast, but it has more detail to work with in Adobe CS.
I also noticed that it's not sharpening like it should. For those in the DSLR realm, take a raw file.... you have to sharpen it or basically "post process" it for sharpening.
I don't want to take these steps, hopefully HTC will step up here. Get the function down in the phone and you will have much better pics than anything out there in it's class

Good points, and I agree that photos give more detail to work with, but I'm speaking soley about the video quality.
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Check out this link for a good video comparison. Seems I'm not just going crazy, but that the Motorola actually does record video better than the Incredible. What a shame.
When looking at the video, take note of how the vehicles driving by are "jerky". I can't understand why this is the case when the Incredible supposedly records at a higher frame rate. Does anyone know if this kind of thing can be addressed in a future software update??
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Mot...ncredible-side-by-side-review-r_2432-p_2.html

720p
I believe that the Moto Driod does DVD Quality 720p HD in its specs, where our phone MAY have the hardware capability, but the software has not been configured that way. Hopefully when we're rooted, and someone created a custom rom, that will be fixed

Nexus One, why not 720p officially

Just to start a discussion.
everyone knows N1 is capable of doing video recording on 720p.
I am just wondering, why google does not officially release such capability? Or do you think they just want user to root it and do whatever they want? Desire has it anyway.
I am so looking forward to an official 720p, if it ever happens.

Because of the bit rate and frame rate. It's not good enough to do it over 24 FPS consistently.

evilkorn said:
Because of the bit rate and frame rate. It's not good enough to do it over 24 FPS consistently.
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Because of the lens?

zachthemaster said:
Because of the lens?
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ok, that too. ;-)
it does a really nice job @ 800xwhatever, but 720p is just too much. it starts having artifacts if there is any motion at all, and any panning/tilting turns the picture terrible. just what i've experienced.

using the latest CM6 nightly i have yet to come across any issues with it, i actually like it, but yea compare it to a real HD camera (not the Evo) but a handheld camera the 720p is crap

slowz3r said:
using the latest CM6 nightly i have yet to come across any issues with it, i actually like it, but yea compare it to a real HD camera (not the Evo) but a handheld camera the 720p is crap
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Yeah. But that's obvious. You spend probably around 300 for a good 720p camera ya know?
I hate to bring it up, but why can the iPhone 4 handle HD video so well? It has a 5MP sensor just like the N1. Any ideas? Because I know this sensor could handle it if the iPhone's could. Am I wrong?
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evilkorn said:
Because of the bit rate and frame rate. It's not good enough to do it over 24 FPS consistently.
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Well rooted N1s and desires are able to do it. Better than what HTC gave in the official froyo update too.

zachthemaster said:
Yeah. But that's obvious. You spend probably around 300 for a good 720p camera ya know?
I hate to bring it up, but why can the iPhone 4 handle HD video so well? It has a 5MP sensor just like the N1. Any ideas? Because I know this sensor could handle it if the iPhone's could. Am I wrong?
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I don't think it's the sensor. I think it has to do with how fast the phone can take data from that sensor and do something with it. It can't keep up with the camera flooding it with data at 24 FPS at 720p.

zachthemaster said:
Yeah. But that's obvious. You spend probably around 300 for a good 720p camera ya know?
I hate to bring it up, but why can the iPhone 4 handle HD video so well? It has a 5MP sensor just like the N1. Any ideas? Because I know this sensor could handle it if the iPhone's could. Am I wrong?
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megapixel sensor size doesn't equate to the quality of a camera.
The hardware in the iphone4 is better than that of the nexus one.

JCopernicus said:
megapixel sensor size doesn't equate to the quality of a camera.
The hardware in the iphone4 is better than that of the nexus one.
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Yeah I knew that. I didn't know if the iPhone's hardware was better. I didn't think it was.
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It's all about politics, they don't want to sell you a phone that can do everything, they want you to spend more money on the next best thing. That's the consumer market for you

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It's all about politics, they don't want to sell you a phone that can do everything, they want you to spend more money on the next best thing. That's the consumer market for you
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Aka, see Google Nexus One.
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Stea1thmode said:
It's all about politics, they don't want to sell you a phone that can do everything, they want you to spend more money on the next best thing. That's the consumer market for you
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A bit better (and closer to the truth) explanation would be:
Google have X engineering "horsepower" that can only do Y stuff in a given amount of time. They can:
1) Spend more time upgrading their DEVELOPER phone capabilities (which was never intended to be anything but developer phone) for the sake of the VERY FEW customers that bought this phone while it was in commercial stage (Nexus owners are a tiny percentage of Android device owners),
2) Spend more time enhancing Android system for ALL the current and future customers of ALL phone manufacturers.
Guess which one they would prefer? Not a hard guess, right?
Yes, unfortunately, it's not the one you would prefer.
The same goes for "why not improved graphics driver", "why not improved N support", etc.

I 2nd that.I think that Google engineers are more into improving android os as a whole.
OP,didn't you notice how many updates and radios the desire has compared to ours?
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The iphone4 does 720p and movement really, really well, i was shocked, and admittedly a little jealous. When it is said that the Iphone4's "hardware" is better, is it that the I4's hardware has better quality, or does it just have better specs? In other words, the I4 doesnt have a full ghz processor right? But is it just much better quality? I dont really know what im talking about im just very interested in 720/HD recording on smartphones, definitely a prerequisite going forward...thanks

DMaverick50 said:
The iphone4 does 720p and movement really, really well, i was shocked, and admittedly a little jealous. When it is said that the Iphone4's "hardware" is better, is it that the I4's hardware has better quality, or does it just have better specs? In other words, the I4 doesnt have a full ghz processor right? But is it just much better quality? I dont really know what im talking about im just very interested in 720/HD recording on smartphones, definitely a prerequisite going forward...thanks
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yeah, even when I tested the iPhone 2G camera that has 2MP sensor, it's photo quality was alot better than my Nexus. just the resolution is bigger in Nexus. and iPhone 4 has a Apple A4 1 GHZ processor, that equals almost the same CPU on Nexus but with different GPU on iPhone (PowerVR SGX). it just does it really really well.

The CPU and its main frequency has exactly nothing to do w/ video encoding, most probably. Encoding/decoding in small-scale devices is usually implemented by separate subsystems (packaged with the CPU - that's why they call it SoC).

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The CPU and its main frequency has exactly nothing to do w/ video encoding, most probably. Encoding/decoding in small-scale devices is usually implemented by separate subsystems (packaged with the CPU - that's why they call it SoC).
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i see, so Apple spent a good deal of efforts to specifically make the camera so good...It wasnt just that they made the phone well, and in turn that solid hardware allowed for good camera quality.
I dont even use the N1 video recorder very often but for some reason I really want better capabilities, maybe if I did have much higher fps and resolution I would use it a lot. Currently the fps are really poor, any movement is a blur regardless of the amount of light. And of course 480 is quite dated. But the phone is otherwise top notch, and the 5mp camera is really solid and i use it a lot, under varied conditions.

I imagine the internal memory vs. whatever SD card a normal consumer would get might also play a part. The Android devices that do have 720p officially all have internal memory ( >1GB ), right? So the manufacturers can control the quality of memory used. I would think that Google/HTC would get lots more complaints from the general population who got bargain basement cards from the back of a truck and expected everything to perform flawlessly. I also agree with above points about the hardware and subsystems. So many variables. But that's also why I like the Android platform. You have a choice (and not just 16GB vs. 32GB locked to one carrier with a contract).

zachthemaster said:
Yeah. But that's obvious. You spend probably around 300 for a good 720p camera ya know?
I hate to bring it up, but why can the iPhone 4 handle HD video so well? It has a 5MP sensor just like the N1. Any ideas? Because I know this sensor could handle it if the iPhone's could. Am I wrong?
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IF I remember correctly, Charansingh said the Iphone achieved 720p by duplicating the image thereby increasing fps to achieve 720p...or something like that. The amount of available light controls the phones ability to reach higher fps. I've gotten 26fps outdoors in bright light. The N1 is set to a max of 30fps, but will only do 1/2 of that indoors. fwiw

[Q] Possible to make HD recording enable int the future?

As it was possible for the nexus one, im wondering if it maybe will be possible for the tab when you are enable to flash it?
And one question to is, is the video recording any good? and is there any software to make the resolution higher when you watch it? i one if you convert the quality wont be beter but if will be the same but on bigger screens?
regards

The Nexus had a 5mp where as this has 3mp. I wouldnt exactly say the Nexus had HD recording, IMHO, the image was just a bit sharper and more of a makeshift HD.
Would it even be possible to record HD with 3mp?
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it should be.. 1920x1080 is just over 2mp

Im sure record and playback will get much better once we have a good custom kernel to flash.

D4rk4n63l said:
it should be.. 1920x1080 is just over 2mp
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For recording the sensor needs to be able to push whatever you're recording at a decent number of frames/sec though and if the hardware doesn't cope with it, then you don't really get a much better image than you would than simply resizing the existing video to the same size. It's mostly a waste of time on the N1 as the quality is quite poor regardless of the resolution, I suspect it'd be even more so on the Tab.
Sometimes you just need better quality optics and/or sensors, software can't always substitute the hardware.

Desire HD camera sensor.

Hello guys...
I have DHD rooted so I was searching some files with root explorer and I found this:
In sys/android_camera there is a file with name sensor.
So I opened this file with Root Explorer (View as text) and inside I saw the model of camera sensor that DHD uses and it's the OmniVision ov8810 8M...
After a little search in the web I found the official description of this sensor and you can find it here http://www.ovt.com/products/sensor.php?id=61#specifications.
From the Product Specifications you can see that the sensor can take video at 1080p.
So I assumed that we have the hardware but we miss the software...
Am I right???

Interesting. It can even take 720p in 60FPS, which would be veeery nice.

Ohh, interesting...

This does not surprise me. HTC is well-known for hampering their cameras. Maybe in an OTA later on or some crafty XDAer will check this out. I suggest PM'ing the ones who got 720p on the various other phones so they can check this out.
By the way, if my thoughts are correct and my eyes don't fool me, it says "10 @ Full"... even though I'm thinking this is full 8mp @ 10fps recording, this just does not seem real. No way in hell.

1080p? Honestly? I mean, it barely manages to capture [email protected]*, let alone [email protected], not to mention 1080p. I know DHD is one of the most powerful phone today, but I seriously doubt it has enough grunt to record at anything over 720p. Of course, I would be very glad if I could be proven wrong, but I'm affraid it won't happen .
Most of all, I would like to see it record video in [email protected] properly, especially in low(ish) light conditions.
On the brighter side, the image sensor does seem to be able to record in [email protected], [email protected] or indeed 10fps in full res, but I imagine it would require pretty fast memory card.
*Or it could be just stock SD card write speed limitation, but I doubt it.

gsmarena.com has been bashing the DHD's camera, in their latest review of the SE arc they even say that DHD is worthy of a true 8 megapixel camera comparison
i'm not on the latest rom so i can't tell if they've really made any improvements on the camera quality and i haven't been taking enough pictures to judge but i think there's no point in having 1080*60fps if the quality of the videos is ****

jeRrRKKKK said:
in their latest review of the SE arc they even say that DHD is worthy of a true 8 megapixel camera comparison
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They said DHD is not worthy of a true 8 megapixel camera comparison. Corrected that for you.

bobale said:
They said DHD is not worthy of a true 8 megapixel camera comparison. Corrected that for you.
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DHD can't match the quality of my 7mp camera. Lenses make all the difference, megapixels alone are pretty useless.
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I use a custom ROM that is based in 1.72 and I have a class10 MicroSD and the video on 720p is very good with no lags...
So the thing I mentioned in first post is that the hardware seems to be capable to shoot in 30 @ 1080p.
No if the phone with all other parts is capable is another thing that some developers could answer...

sengork said:
DHD can't match the quality of my 7mp camera. Lenses make all the difference, megapixels alone are pretty useless.
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Bang on!
But as a phone I fell DHDs camera is good enough, well for me anyway.
I would certainly like to see how the phone would handle 1080p recording lol, just for fun.

The CPU does not support video encoding above 720p 30fps.

leppie said:
The CPU does not support video encoding above 720p 30fps.
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Only the dual cores that comeing up to future phones support encoding above 720p??

Frankly, DHD can't match my Nokia N95 from 2007, let alone my Sony 4mpix camera from 2006.

my one is different
samsung S5K3H1GX 8M
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Really???
That's strange... HTC put different hardware in the same device???
That's not fare cause I assume that Samsung's sensor might be better than mine...

Mine has a samsung S5K3H1GX 8M
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kalagas said:
Really???
That's strange... HTC put different hardware in the same device???
That's not fare cause I assume that Samsung's sensor might be better than mine...
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Mine also has a samsung S5K3H1GX 8M, and I can assure you it can't be better than yours

I like taking photos, but I never expected a phone to do too much.
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kalagas said:
Really???
That's strange... HTC put different hardware in the same device???
That's not fare cause I assume that Samsung's sensor might be better than mine...
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I have no qualms about the camera, for me it is 3 times better than my old Touch HD

how to check ? mind have guides please ?

one x camera application

is there any possibilty to tune-up one x's camera application with full functions to our DHD?
such as fast shooting, HDR function, panaroma function, snapshot during video, etc.?

Simple:
Fast shoting not posible. At least not as fast as x one. Because of camera chip. And the extra processor that is dedicated just fot picture taking.
HDR yes. But Don't expect any picture comperable with one x
Take a picture while taking video . Not possible must have at least dual core. Desire HD hardly keeps working with only videotaking at 720p.
The application itself could be ported but requires kernel 3 and special drivers.
SUM:In my opinion not worth a try.
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first of all thank you very much for sharing your opinion.
you may be right q&a section could be more proper for this kind of question, however everybody is focused on "expected ics update" very much in there.
I am using several programs for my camera demands, what I'm asking is a combined solution like hox's camera application.
Actually I tried so many roms with sense 3.5 and 3.6 however their camera applications are not flawless.
Some have panorama in the options, however they do not work as intended.
By the way now I am aware that it will not be possible to have that excellent application (with full working functions) on our old friend.
thank you...
Xeleth said:
First of all, this is not really the correct section for questions but guess this could lead into some interesting general discussion and theorycrafting.
As far as I know, porting the Sense 4.0 camera w/ features is not possible at all without the required driver information from HTC. Also it is certain that our phones' hardware-specs would not be sufficient for a complete user-experience even if there was a port available.
You might want to look into Sense 3.0/3.5 cameras for taking high-quality panoramas. ICS stock-camera is sometimes more user friendly but the quality is mostly a bit lower. Fast Burst Camera does what it says: takes multiple photos per second. This should serve your needs. Camera apps supporting HDR-effects or similar can be found from the Play store.
Taking photos while capturing video is still a bit of a mystery for me but my lucky guess is that the hardware limitations play a big role in this. Why not just take a screenshot from the media player? High Definition video quality (720p) should do just fine, you just need to use a Gingerbread ROM.
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Fatos said:
Simple:
Fast shoting not posible. At least not as fast as x one. Because of camera chip. And the extra processor that is dedicated just fot picture taking.
HDR yes. But Don't expect any picture comperable with one x
Take a picture while taking video . Not possible must have at least dual core. Desire HD hardly keeps working with only videotaking at 720p.
The application itself could be ported but requires kernel 3 and special drivers.
SUM:In my opinion not worth a try.
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Actually its NOT A DUAL CORE PRICCESOR issue. there are actually two camera chips in the sensor. I did my research
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Fast shooting camera with good quality picture.
Fast Burst Camera - http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.spritefish.fastburstcamera
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