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Hello. I've been following the Kaiser thread ever since I heard about it, and with the same anxiety of the owners of that phone i've been waiting for the miraculous drivers to appear. I'm looking forward to upgrade from a HP hx2750, to a new pda with phone. After a few research I concluded that the pdas the fit my need are the HTC p3600 (trinity), p3600i (500Mhz processor version) , the Tytn 2 Kaiser or the coming Eten X800 and the I-mate 8502 which in my option is the best off all those but I doubt it will be available sooner than April 2008.
From all those the p3600i and tytn 2 seemed more appealing. So I have to pick between the p3600i (since i'd rather have more ROM and processor speed though paying a bit more) or the kaiser, tytn 2.
I like to play videos, take pictures and once in awhile play a few games, but also have a decent scrolling and browsing speed since I'm used to the hx2750 wm6, BUT, i'm not sure if the drivers will ever be made or work properly... in other words I wouldn't like to have a crippled phone as expensive as that kaiser(not getting contract!). The p3600i looks great is not so buggy but doesn't have keyboard and this is something I always missed in the hx2750. Neither I know if the keyboard in the end is really that useful cause it looks very hard to type in...
I heard better things from htc in past times but now they don't seem to care for consumers opinion, so that's another question. I dunno if it's better to get the kaiser and wait for drivers or get something more solid. I heard new windows 6.1 will come out soon, so might be a help or push to fix problem. I prefer more the kaiser but the p3600i is impressive too...
So i'm here asking for whoever wants to share its opinion... What's the best buy p3600i or tytn2 (kaiser, tilt)?
Is htc giving up the kaiser for real?(no more drivers, no more production of that model? And does the p3600i as any issue too?
P.S:I really refer to the p3600i not the updated p3600(trinity)
Heavy s**t
My penn'orth:
The TyTyn 2 is SOOOOO heavy and bulky. although the 3MP camera is nice, the keyboard is not really that useful as it's fiddly to use and the bulky size and weight for me do not justify the tilt / keyboard.
For it's size I'd say go with the 3600i.
It may be useful in terms of getting responses - to specify which driver issue you are talking about - I'm not sure myself!
I would like to add that you should keep in mind that the P3600i is still relatively new and that if you plan to immediately flash the ROM to your favourite cooked TouchFlo variety you will be unable to do so for a while so you'll have to stick with the original stuff for now. Apart from that I would say that a big part of your decision-making considerations would be the hardware keyboard and how important having one means to you - to be honest I hardly use them. Additionally, I HATE to feel the looseness/play created by the moving parts, and I like a solid phone with only buttons - no flips, slides or twists. Another consideration is battery life - not sure exactly how they compare, but I have a feeling there is not much difference between the two (keeping in mind that the P3600i has a faster processor than the Kaiser). I am not sure how the cameras compare either, but the Kaiser should indeed produce better results, though I will say that the P3600/P3600i's photos are not that bad either. Another factor, presumably, is the cost. I am about to buy a P3600i today and it's running me USD$599 - the TyTN II is USD$750. For me it's the P3600i, but of course, the choice is yours. You have to look at all the differences between the two phones (read as many reviews as you can) and the environment you will be using the phone in and the type of usage you will demand from it to fine-tune and make the best decision for yourself.
I had to make the same decision and ended up with the p3600. For two reasons:
1st: The P3600 comes with almost the same functionality, like wifi, gps, hsdpa/umts and so on - but is cheaper and smaller. Besides that the P3600 has no performanceproblems with applications or videoplayback.
2nd: I dont do any SMS-texting, neither do I write any e-mails from the phone. So the keyboard wasnt too important to me. Since there are some nice programs for fingerfriendly onscreen keyboards, I can type small texts without any difficulty and quite fast.
You definitely get more for your money with the p3600 ... which is useless if you need to write 20 emails a day on your phone ...
The drivers issue I made reference to (Htc tytn 2) problem is the fact it has a video performance worst than earlier models, it's slow and paused when scrolling, can't play games with proper frame rates. This is blamed in the lack video drivers... the tytn 2 or kaiser thread is filled with users seeking a solution to that.
The p3600i is a beautiful device but I don't know till when the 64MB memory will be a issue, and the kaiser offers 128Mb...
I don't really mind not having a cooked rom as long as the new one isn't that bad or buggy. About the touchflo I don't know really what is and how useful is but I suppose is something like finger scrolling... don't think is useful in such small screens... ^^
My hx2750 screen is almost as big as the p3600! I compared them side by side!
Does anyone knows if any htc device will be updated to wm6.1?
Thanks for all opinions...
Has anybody got hands on this ?
http://solomobi.com/viewproduct.asp?pro_id=1364&page=1
I am interested in what seems to be a today plugin that looks like the real a***e interface.
Please note the new apple made in china
I had a buddy who was going to buy one of these off of ebay. After a brief convo of the pros and cons, she ultimately chose not to go with one of these. IMO I would pass on these due the lack of support and that its too much of a gamble to go with one of these knock-offs.
I am interested in finding out what that light sensor app is all about though?
Well I am interested only in the software that is used. That seems interesting...
well is not possible to see on those pictures how the I-phone like home interface works and what kind of software use, but what about if they are using parts of software developed from users of XDA to realize this I-Phone look....!!!! i could believe it....!!!!
Whatever it is, the icon by "Start" in one of the screen shots of programs is the default for something created using PPL.
Ok, I found on youTube some videos. It's pretty much fake. And probably they've used xda-developers.
mmm... it seems to be a wm6? with an ifonz on it...
the plastic around the screen seems to be apple-like, but it's not...
what a wonderful world!
iClone
I liked only the body....
If were possible to change the body of P3600 with this....I would do this.
(sorry my bad english)
Intrrteresting??
I was actually going to get one of these, that is until I noticed the phone didnt have the features of the real thing. Although if it is running WM's on it I wonder if it capable of being upgraded? If so, with, ifonz, S2U2, PocketCM, and others, then this phone could for sure be made into an 1phone. Cool nock off though. (notice)= in the picture from the link, if you look at the screen it looks like a standard ppc screen, not full screen like the apple one. The specs of it seems standard, a phone with the hardware of an 1phone* "clever"... I wanna get one...
Look at the link. It's running WM.
My friends uncle bought one of these 2 weeks ago in india...and he says its really nice and he loves it.
dwizzy130
I have one and yes, it does run the real winmo 6 with word and media player, etc. I have installed s2p, s2u2, s2v (Though it does come with its own version). I love it. The light sensor will change the backlight and brightness of the screen to whatever is best for the room you are in. So if you walk outside at noon you will still be able to see the screen like you saw it in the building you just came from. Also the rotate screen feature and 2 cameras are cool.
I get alot of my apps for my phone from this site and I just wanted to say thanks to all the developers here.
Apologies if this is not the place to post such a thread? I did a quick scout around and couldnt find a more appropriate place?
I have lurked around these parts for some time now, only signed up a few weeks back, and havent really posted.
However, I have been quietly messing about with my HTC Touch Diamond and I am finally losing the will to live with it - i need physical buttons.
I discounted the X1 and HTC Touch Pro as they are too similar.
So I have set my heart on the PTP...
You guys that have this device, how are you getting on with it? The most frustrating thing for me is a laggy interface, it doesnt matter what mods you do on it, the Diamond continues to be too slow. I appreciate that this is a WM issue and it will never be truly stable, however, the state of my Diamond cant be normal...
I feel on the HTC/X1 etc that they are trying to hard to make the interface 'newbie friendly' and all I want and need is the ability to sync with my exchange server, the GPS is handy and all the other bits such as wifi etc are very handy but by no means a necessity.
What are your opinions so far on owning this piece of kit?
Cheers
Alex
I received mine last week. Out of the box theres nothing to pretty up the interface, or slow it down. I find the speed to be good. The initial load of a program may be a few seconds but anything after that is almost instantaneous.
The GPS is great. I get a signal lock very quick (less than 30 seconds). Ive tried tom tom 6 and Garmin and both look and work great. even on square screen.
Remember though the available memory (program mem) on the Pro is about 67mb free. Not had a issue with that though.
I am enjoying using the keyboard, but I have small hands.
Dieter Bohn just put up a review on the pro, hes had it for awhile and I think the review is well done, check it out.
http://www.wmexperts.com/reviews/smartphones/treo_pro_full_round_robin_revi.html
Thanks for the reply.
I will read the review now.
Ive gone and ordered one, with an 8gb card - cant wait for a 32gb to be available and at a decent price.
To me, the diamond seemed to be all show and no go.
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,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Remember though the available memory (program mem) on the Pro is about 67mb free. Not had a issue with that though........... [/url]
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Has anyone found a way to get any of this memory back? Is there some palm junk we can get rid of?
I had just flashed my own 6.5 ROM onto my Treo, and the battery life is fantastic, it doesn't suffer from lag. There's a few ROM Related issues, but as far as the device is concerned, I have absolutely nothing bad to say about it.
I enjoy it, it's solid and pretty. A 3.5mm jack with SDHC make it a music playing monster.
6.5 is FAST on this device, if you're getting CDMA than it is flashable.
You will not be disappointed with 6.1 or 6.5. Small screen, but, it makes up for it by being a small device with physical keys...
Don't let the lack of ram fool you, I run any program(s) that I like and it handles it perfectly up to 99% usage. I can run Skyfire, facebook, twitter, and Kinoma Play at the same time...
Although the Palm Pixi--- That could be a game changer
acidhax said:
I had just flashed my own 6.5 ROM onto my Treo, and the battery life is fantastic, it doesn't suffer from lag. There's a few ROM Related issues, but as far as the device is concerned, I have absolutely nothing bad to say about it.
I enjoy it, it's solid and pretty. A 3.5mm jack with SDHC make it a music playing monster.
6.5 is FAST on this device, if you're getting CDMA than it is flashable.
You will not be disappointed with 6.1 or 6.5. Small screen, but, it makes up for it by being a small device with physical keys...
Don't let the lack of ram fool you, I run any program(s) that I like and it handles it perfectly up to 99% usage. I can run Skyfire, facebook, twitter, and Kinoma Play at the same time...
Although the Palm Pixi--- That could be a game changer
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I love my Treo Pro but i had an opposite WM6.5 experience on it that you. WM6.5 ran like snails on my Treo Pro plus i didn't see what the big deal was about 6.5 anyway. I hate the titanium thingy and even moreso the silly honeycomb whatever. I found them tedious to deal with and took more steps just to accomplish tasks. Needless to say i went back to WM6.1 which works better and faster for me.
My experience with Windows 6.5 on the Treo Pro has all been positive. I like the honey comb thing better than when I was running SPB Mobile Shell or even Manila 2d. I find I have more program memory with the 6.5 rom and the battery life has definitely improved. I have a 16gb sdhc card and the phone has been absolutely fantastic! Couldn't have asked for better....I do miss Blackberry Messenger...and if I could find a working version of Blackberry connect that was compatible, I would have everything I have ever wanted in one device.
after waiting for the hero to come out on T mobile for ages..i was disappointed that it was only available in black! found an online deal that allowed me to have the white unbranded on t mobile web n walk
Previous phone history (recent): SPV e100, SPV C550, nokia 8600, diamond now the hero...
I have to say that im HUGELY impressed with the device. The device looks and feels solid, its miles faster and nicer to use than my diamond (which i LOVED!). The screen is very clear and vibrant and really cleans easy with the oleophobic layer.
Software wise I am experiencing the odd lag and my faecbook contact photos going missing but thats about it for negatives. The market application is amazing -I love the ease at which it allows you to try new software, and how easily every integrates into the menu.
The Sense UI is very pretty and functions perfectly giving the device the nicest interface I have come across.
Over all I would rate this phone a solid 9/10 and if anyone has doubts about changing over from WinMo, in an everyday users experience android is FAR superior in ease of use and speed.
thanks
phrozen
I have come from a Diamond too and I loved my Diamond when I first got it, put WinMo 6.5 on it and then spent 6 months flashing ROMs to try and find one that was truly usable.
I have found one now... it comes with the Hero
Another Diamond user change to the Hero. Will I ver go back to WinMo - that depends on how it gets developed going forward - right now the Android implementation on the Hero leaves WinMo looking distinctly ... crap.
Hi,
As the title says, just looking for some feedback from those who had a tp2 and moved to N1 - is there any major disadvantages of the N1 over the tp2 (omitting obvious keyboard)
I hear the speaker on the N1 is bad and the speaker on the TP2 is awesome, can anyone verify this?
I went from tp2 to n1. The keyboard and speaker are all I miss. The n1 is the much better phone and toy : )
I moved from TP2 to N1! I had a g1 before the tp2, and now getting back to android, I wonder why i ever left!
The speaker is the only thing i "miss" i didnt really you use it often though...
The N1 is soooo much better than the tp2
Former (mostly happy until the touch screen died) TP2 user here. I love the Nexus One. I miss the hardware keyboard, obviously, but swype makes up for it.
The unit is incredibly responsive, and now that we have sense ported on the N1 the Exchange integration is excellent.
Now I don't miss the TP2 at all. Especially since I love tinkering with the OS and Android is better than WM for that.
shure2 said:
Hi,
As the title says, just looking for some feedback from those who had a tp2 and moved to N1 - is there any major disadvantages of the N1 over the tp2 (omitting obvious keyboard)
I hear the speaker on the N1 is bad and the speaker on the TP2 is awesome, can anyone verify this?
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The speaker on the TP2 was the best of any phone I've heard or used. As a result the speaker on the N1 was a let down.
However, the phone itself is outstanding. The build quality is quite good and the SW keyboard isn't as hard to adjust to as I had expected (especially in landscape mode).
The only thing you haven't touched on that I would mention is that the TP2 (CDMA at least) had *outstanding* battery life. The N1 is no slouch when it comes to battery life in the smart phone arena, but I did see better battery life with the TP2.
speaker was good
keyboard was really good
i want the htc clock but dont know the settings for the weather widget.
typ_ex said:
speaker was good
keyboard was really good
i want the htc clock but dont know the settings for the weather widget.
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weather skin downloader > h7c.zip
then install from SD card
clock skin downloader > h7c-clock.zip
then install from SD card.
Maybe you only have to do one or the other, but i did both to be safe and it worked.
jz9833 said:
I went from tp2 to n1. The keyboard and speaker are all I miss. The n1 is the much better phone and toy : )
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+1 same here. This was also my 1st android device, came from many years of WM devices. I don't regret a thing. All pro's, zero cons.
jz9833 said:
weather skin downloader > h7c.zip
then install from SD card
clock skin downloader > h7c-clock.zip
then install from SD card.
Maybe you only have to do one or the other, but i did both to be safe and it worked.
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those can be found here
edit: but, apparently it isn't as simple as 'move to sd card and install'. gotta pick up 'weather widget donate' from the market to use this
i did t hat, but the clock looks really scrunched in. also the black background doesn't cover the whole clock + weather.
i went from a TP2 as well. the speaker was nice and i do miss that and the keyboard sometimes but other then that im happy with my switch. windows mobile was so boring and dull to me and going to android has been good so far with no intention to going back to the TP2 and WM for that matter. N1 is a really nice phone
well i just sold my TP2 and my N1 should be here in the morning but I can tell you one thing... I love android, and as a previous G1 owner, I missed being able to mess with the OS. WinMo was too intricate and seemed "junky" whereas android is just PNG and XML really...
Another Happy TP2 -> N1 customer here. Few points:
Speed - the N1 is VERY quick compared to the TP2 (stock TP2, running WM6.5/Sense 2.1). No lag, everything works instantly on the N1. Phone doesn't slow down after a few days uptime, there's no lag in SMS or MMS.
Keyboard - The major concern moving from TP2 was the lack of hardware keyboard. That was one of the major factors in my decision not to get the HD2. Hardware keyboard IS better for typing longer pieces of text (i.e a decent length email for example) but for the standard phone texts/mms/short mails/web browsing/IM the N1's keyboard is fine. Enabling haptic feedback and using in landscape mode makes it a doddle to use, rarely now have to go back and correct words etc. Yet to try non stock keyboards, these should aid the transition even more.
Look and Feel - The N1 is MUCH more attractive that the TP2, however I sometimes find the N1 a touch on the small side - that being said it's probably more due to being used to the larger TP2, the N1 is certainly easier to used 1 handed than the TP2 tho do sometimes feel like I'm going to drop it!
While HTC's sense was full of eye candy, with a couple of widgets and some time Android can look just as good (and that's before you consider the custom ROM's with sense etc available)
Android vs WiMo - Night and day here (and this is probably the biggest "love" for me at the moment). Everything is at your fingertips. It's so easy to take a pic and whack it on facebook, send it via MMS or email. Check google maps or browse the net. It's all there, and really quickly available. The app store is pretty acomplished too, easy access to a load of apps - something which (last time I checked) the MS stored was lacking in.
Moving from a non smartphone to the TP2 was a pretty big jump. Good net access on the move, easy access to email and other information. The jump from the TP2 to N1 was probably equally as big. All the previous information is available (only MUCH faster) + a whole load of new information, apps and ways to keep in contact with people.
Hope this helps
I also moved from a touch pro 2 to a nexus one (with an iphone 3gs in the middle meh not even worth mentioning lol) and yeah I have to agree with everyone else. The touch pro 2 is a great phone but nowhere near as awesome as the nexus one but I'll probably end up swapping my nexus for the touch pro 3 or whatever they decide to call it.
*sigh* dont you just hate it when something so cool and new becomes redundant and old like 6months later..
Bought Them Both at the Same Time
I actually bought both the phones at the same time, after my HD died (I killed it when I opened it up).
The TP2 like everyone says is a great phone. Though the GSM T-Mobile US version (that I had) had pathetic battery life (Compared to my Blackstone). But the TP2 can not hold a candle to the N1.
The only thing I miss from the TP2 is the EXCELLENT speaker, and the keyboard.
The N1 is sleeker, it's RIDICULOUSLY FAST! the display is superb. I can do about 10 things in the time it takes me to do one thing on the TP2. Combine that with Xralogic Remote Desktop Client, and Documents to Go Pro, and you have a WM replacement.
Trust me, I'm no Windows Mobile Hater, I'm actually an advocate of WM and I have been for the last 7 years, but the the N1 is just a superb phone. I've had the G1 and the Moto ClIQ, but I went back to WM but the N1 is awesome.
I am looking forward to owning a US T-Mobile branded HD2 though.
I hope you find this useful .
wow... seems to be that the general consensus here is loving the jump they made from the TP2 to the N1... honestly, if there had been a stable fully working haret build for XDAndroid on the TP2 i maybe would have been a little more hesitant. I loved the keyboard, and i loved the solid feel of the TP2. But i strapped on a hardcase with silicon lining on in and out and this phone feels great now. I have yet to root, and this is the longest I have held out on rooting/flashing a device. I am pretty sure that once someone figures out how to relock the bootloader (if at all possible) I would go ahead and root. But I also wanna use this phone stock for a few weeks just to test the waters and make sure no glitches/disfunctions happen. (dust under screen, nonresponsive touchscreen, just little things that i wouldnt be able to get fixed once the warranty is void)