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http://source.android.com/
does this help speed up getting andoid on our nice lil phones? discuss
its always been open source bud (or atleast planned).... that was what was the big deal with it
Yes, but I believe the buzz is that the actual code is available for us to edit, today. And yes, this means better drivers for getting our devices to work with android.
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its always been open source bud (or atleast planned).... that was what was the big deal with it
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It's open source since 6 hours ago.
This site is new, just like the first post in it.]
sry for the english.
berchielli said:
It's open source since 6 hours ago.
This site is new, just like the first post in it.]
sry for the english.
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the site is new yes but android was always open source.... google just finally released the code for it... the development kit has always been out there and android and the open handset alliance has known its been ported (or atleast mostly) to some phones already.... So to make myself more clearly it has always been open source, but with the release of the code it will be easier on developers
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=438268
that guy phrased it right
Yay... the source to an open source os... big news
So when the kernel is released what will that mean for us. What kind of things can we look forward to?
Is pending some license/certification completion issues.
Thats what my email from elocity said in my latest response from them. Hoping it's sooner than later. Even explained in the email why getting the kernel released would be good for thier business. They need to deliver something whether it be the A10, the kernel or upgrade options. Wonder how possible that would be. Send your A7 in to get the multitouch screen put in. Anyways when I hear anything I will post more.
With kernel source every developer could:
- make a full ROM (kernel + any version of Android from released sources)
- improve stability and performance
- fix issues before official techsupport
- add new features
That's so important!
If we would get kernel source in summer - that might be too late. Many eLocity owners might change their devices to new Xooms, Flyers, Asus eeePads, Samsung 8.9s and etc...
That is basically how I worded it in my email, pointing out that everyday more people are selling thier a7's and getting a different device. And that if they released the kernel it would practically eliminate that. Also that thier company needs to release something soon, yet to see any branded accessories a10 is delayed and our a7 we want the kernel. give us something before you lose your future market.
I think they have to much on there hands with a10, maybe after they will release something for the a7, keep your fingers crossed
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I think they have to much on there hands with a10, maybe after they will release something for the a7, keep your fingers crossed
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Zipping files and emailing them takes about 2 minutes ... doing so will relief them from working more on the A7 has the community will be able to developpe stuff for the A7, otherwise the A7 will just die there.
I suggest we all email [email protected] and ask for those files to be released ASAP.
I would even say that someone just write an email template to copy and paste that email
If they care about having a future market the sooner they release the kernel the better.
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I would even say that someone just write an email template to copy and paste that email
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Here.
Code:
Code:
<a href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=Petition for release of A7-040 kernel&[email protected]&body=This message is a petition to release the A7 kernel for independent development.%0A%0AThis will show good faith to your existing customers, and keep them around for the release of your future products.%0A%0AIf there is a issue with a petition being carried out this way please let us know on the A7 section of the XDA forums.">
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To: [email protected]
BCC: [email protected]
Subject: Petition for release of A7-040 kernel
Body:
This message is a petition to release the A7 kernel for independent development.
This will show good faith to your existing customers, and keep them around for the release of your future products.
If there is a issue with a petition being carried out this way please let us know on the A7 section of the XDA forums.
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I am not going to make this live, I don't know what kind of legalities would be involved if eLoicty found a flood of e-mails harassing.
You might want to add that XDA and Dexter are even in big reseller's review (Aka Tiger Direct) ... wich is mainly why people would buy an A7 has of today ...
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You might want to add that XDA and Dexter are even in big reseller's review (Aka Tiger Direct) ... wich is mainly why people would buy an A7 has of today ...
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I am not publishing it anywhere, I just made the template and created a Gmail account to track how many people use it, if any.
Like I said in the post, I don't know what kind of legalities would come into play should eLocity deem it harassing. With the whole thing being able to be composed and sent in 2 clicks I can see it being easily abused. I don't plan on being the fall guy should it result in thousands of messages.
Not to sound like an idiot but how do I post this.
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Not to sound like an idiot but how do I post this.
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1.Copy contents of code window.
2. Paste into HTML document.
3. Remember that you are the one responsible when eLocity gets angry.
Dexter what are your thoughts on this?
Here is an encouragement from eLocity Team :
Regarding the kernel information, I have been working to get our overseas team to release it so developers can really take the A7 to new heights. I am hoping to be able to share the kernel info soon and will certainly reach out to Dexter, the XDA community and others so they'll have a new tool to make exploring and developing easier.
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Don't abuse those emails, but for sure, we're making a difference, if it's done properly, I can't imagine a company being mad for receiving interest in their products ...
Sorry, I didnt see this thread when I posted the other new thread...but there is some slightly newer info there.
Kernel
If they release the code does that have any impact on anny new releases of the OS for the A7? Are we assuming the eLocity is done? Is there any chance for a major upgrade before they are done?
@masterfred: your quote from them confirms all my suspicions.
"Over seas development team" my ass. eLocity is just a reseller, at most installing a different launcher and fielding (not to the best of their ability btw) the tech calls. Compal has been the ones pulling the strings the whole time.
So where does it go from here? I have very little faith that Compal will be on any rush to help the development community. They even backed out of marketing this tab under their own branding. I don't trust companies that operate from.the shadows like that.
elocity a7 source code
If you google the whats above you will find many places that reps stated elocity plans to release the source/kernel so keep smiling and be patient.
rombold said:
elocity a7 source code
If you google the whats above you will find many places that reps stated elocity plans to release the source/kernel so keep smiling and be patient.
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Yeah, they are probably waiting for Compal to release it to them.
"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC.
Sources: http://www.facebook.com/pages/HTC-Sensation/175735282481671
But still, they haven't made any statement in context to already released phones
I doubt they will add support for released phones.
Wildfire is EOL this wont apply to us but probably only there up and coming phones.
Thank you HTC, and well done.
But is that confirmed? lets hope that not some Facebook user in some prank pretending to be the HTC CEO.
There is nothing yet on there press page http://www.htc.com/uk/press/2011.html
It's real , but sadly it won't happen to already released phones
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It's real , but sadly it won't happen to already released phones
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That's really a great injustice to the already released devices. (if it is so)
@ bharatgaddameedi, i just read your "Rooting Android: The War Between Carriers and Consumers" article.
Very interesting...
I'm no expert, so let me ask the question, is Android not built on Linux? If so do Linux not have terms which state that while there software systems can be modified and used for profit it must remain completely open at all times.
If that is the case would manufacturers who use Linux derived operating systems not be in violation of those terms by locking the OS?
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@ bharatgaddameedi, i just read your "Rooting Android: The War Between Carriers and Consumers" article.
Very interesting...
I'm no expert, so let me ask the question, is Android not built on Linux? If so do Linux not have terms which state that while there software systems can be modified and used for profit it must remain completely open at all times.
If that is the case would manufacturers who use Linux derived operating systems not be in violation of those terms by locking the OS?
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Sorry that was not my article actually. I just found it on searching and liked it very much. So im trying to share it. And it was based on an opinion piece.
Anyway i will try to search for ur things.
Alright thanks
Les1976 said:
Thank you HTC, and well done.
But is that confirmed? lets hope that not some Facebook user in some prank pretending to be the HTC CEO.
There is nothing yet on there press page http://www.htc.com/uk/press/2011.html
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Lesa, this news is confirmed...Infact it's all over the internet by now
Few more links:
http://htcsource.com/2011/05/official-htc-will-no-longer-be-locking-bootloaders-on-their-devices/
http://www.thunderboltforums.com/fo...iscussion/2750-htc-unlocking-bootloaders.html
Ok, great. thanks
Now this petition has spread to famous magazines like pc world check it out.
lokeshramesh said:
Now this petition has spread to famous magazines like pc world check it out.
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Nice, Link?
Whoop.... never mind, http://www.pcworld.com/article/228823/htc_ends_locked_bootloader_policy.html
**** u htc . i really hate this ****ing stupid company and thier ****ing policy.
they said that will not open the bootloader for old devices like wildfire and so on
ohhh my godness!!!!
Another good news-
Alpharev soon releasing a method for wildfire with hboot 1.01 check out the Rom Development forum here.
lokeshramesh said:
Another good news-
Alpharev soon releasing a method for wildfire with hboot 1.01 check out the Rom Development forum here.
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Normaly alpharev only works on rooted devices, which in our case is the problem in the first place. I know that HCDRjacob said something else, but I wouldn't put to much hope on it..
Erwin
First of all I'm no trying to troll nor spam, I am a T-mobile G2x user and over at the G2x forums we started a thread, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1360051 this thread is to get nvidia to release the source code for the tegra 2 chip, this way we can get more stable roms and yes fully functional ICS build.
I'm only doing this because the Atrix uses the same tegra 2 chip, thanks for your understanding.
I sent mine!
http://developer.nvidia.com/contact
Just to let you know, Nvidia is in no way required to release drivers for their SoC. That stuff is completely proprietary and doesn't fall under the GPL.
i sent mine!
Submitted!
Occupy ?
Dont think so, we're not pirates. I've sent an email to nvidia.
Hello,
Please release source code for the Tegra2, so the developers can support our mobile devices and tablets better and faster. I want to take more advantage of the Tegra2 chip inside my Motorola Atrix 4g and hoping that you could give the community a hand about this.
Regards, Sinan.
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edgeicator said:
Just to let you know, Nvidia is in no way required to release drivers for their SoC. That stuff is completely proprietary and doesn't fall under the GPL.
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We are all aware of this, but maybe with a shot of luck they decide to help developers, and release at least some code.
Even Microsoft has released some of their code to the GPL.
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Also submitted. Regardless of what may come out of this, at least we tried.
Submitted!
I don't want to hijack the other thread. But I think the best action you can take is generate some publicity from the media.
Go to Engadget. http://www.engadget.com/
There should be a red 'Tip US' on the right hand side of the webpage. Let the problem get on the main page of Engadget.
Thank you/
Email sent.
Email sent - also if anyone is wondering what to say, here is what i sent to them...may not be perfect but it gets the job done:
Hello. I am writing today to ask that you please release the source code for the Tegra 2 chip to the public.
As you most likely know, the android os has a very large developer community. With this community comes ground breaking software development and can also make an already great product become an even bigger product.
An example would be Samsung hiring the lead developer of the CyanogenMod7 custom Rom for Android.
They also gave the team one of their latest devices for further testing.
Now that device is one of the most sold Android phones of 2011.
The Tegra chip has a following already because of the little bit of development that we have been able to squeeze out of it with out the help of Nvidia. (source code)
But we believe and know that we can develop upon it even further and show Nvidia and others what the Tegra is really capable of. Which in turn will bring more interest to the chip and devices that carry the chip and that just means more sales.
It is only a win-win situation.
Thank you for reading.
Sincerely
a Nvidia customer.
you guys are asking for specific stuff in a very generic matter. nvidia has a git hub with tons of stuff already! and im sure if you ask them for ics tegra2 drivers for the atrix or g2x they will deliver.
as for nvidia helping devs, its happend!
sent mine
i did sent mine.
hope this count.
Sent it, couldn't copy the message though...
---------- Post added at 07:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:28 PM ----------
Oh yea change the thread title to:
"Release the Tegra" Movement Thread [& how you can help] [Atrix]
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Then fix your post. Make it look professional so If any of the Nvidia Dev's see it, they'ed take it seriously...
Hey Guys,
I am a T-mobile G2x user and over at the G2x forums we started a thread, [ics2g2x] [occupy nvidia]how you can help!. This request thread is to get Nvidia to release the source code for the tegra 2 chip, this way we can get more stable roms and yes a fully functional ICS build.
You can help in multiple ways. It doesn't matter how you help, as long as you did that becomes a +1 support for this thread!
1. Call them at (408) 486-2000 and ask for developer relations.
2. Email them at http://developer.nvidia.com/contact. Make sure your info is accurate so that they'll accept it.
3. Advertise this thread at places like Engadget or some other well known information website.
4. Get creative do something that we haven't listed up here, anything counts... (As long as it's good)
I'm only doing this because the Atrix uses the same tegra 2 chip, thanks for your understanding.
Support Count:
1. cervantesjc
2. WiredPirate
3. edgeicator
4. picaron1
5. OSNPA
6. Semseddin
7. vinay427
8. cption
9. Jibraldor
10. J-Roc
11. hormosapiens
12. Alaq
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Copy and paste this into your post if you feel lazy. And update the Support Count every 1-2 days to keep this going.
I agree with changing the title in case anyone from nvidia see the thread.
however, I would leave any sort of "occupy" verbiage out. due to the recent media coverage of everything "occupy" related, it's not entirely a positive way to bring about change to what we want as far as code.
it seems a tad bit brutish to use that word to request something at this point.
imo.
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ifalldownalot said:
I agree with changing the title in case anyone from nvidia see the thread.
however, I would leave any sort of "occupy" verbiage out. due to the recent media coverage of everything "occupy" related, it's not entirely a positive way to bring about change to what we want as far as code.
it seems a tad bit brutish to use that word to request something at this point.
imo.
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Yea it might cause some problems.... Fixed:
"Release the Tegra" Movement Thread [& how you can help] [Atrix]
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Semseddin said:
we're not pirates.
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Speak for yourself lol.
Yeah, the thread title is a bad (polarizing) choice imho. I have enough trouble occupying my own space. And I certainly don't want to be seen in any sort of occupy movement. I work for what I have/want/need (and as an added bonus, to support the wants/needs of the occupiers, hurray for me!). But since the spirit of the thread isn't that sort of nonsense, I'm in. Message sent.
And no griping at me because I bit at the title... It was just sitting there staring at me with those "I want your stuff" and "Are you crazy? No I don't want to work for it" eyes...
Since I never do anything at work I will send them an email, spread this around, contact engadget, gizmodo, and more. I really want the ATRIX to become active. Its been dead around here a little.
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Looks like Huawei has posted some source code online: http://m.huawei.com/enmobile/consumer/support/downloads/index.htm with the label: FRD-L04_MM_EMUI4_1_opensource
I'm downloading it now, hopefully it's something good and useful!
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Looks like Huawei has posted some source code online: http://m.huawei.com/enmobile/consumer/support/downloads/index.htm with the label: FRD-L04_MM_EMUI4_1_opensource
I'm downloading it now, hopefully it's something good and useful!
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It's broken (as always, bunch of liars), I have uploaded it to github so you can download it at a decent speed: https://github.com/XePeleato/android_kernel_huawei_FRD-L04 (ignore build.sh, it's the script I use to build it)
EDIT: Fixed, as always, check github, I haven't tested it, but if you want me to upload a flashable .zip, I'd need your fstab file.
Thats a L04 version, will this work with L09 Dual Sim (32gb EU) version?
Syssx said:
Thats a L04 version, will this work with L09 Dual Sim (32gb EU) version?
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There's just one way to know! But honestly, the kernel as it is now, doesn't have any improvement, however it might be useful for a developer who wants to code a custom kernel or something like that.
Glad it's in a buildable state. Now, let's see what else Huawei is going to release.
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Hey Guys,
Just so you know, I have a direct line at Honor and am able to make requests as it relates to releasing sources and specific documentation. I am not a developer myself, but you guys can feel free to make requests here and I'll bring it back to Honor. It's really important that we get to the point where custom ROM development and full modification is possible on the Honor 8!
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Hey Guys,
Just so you know, I have a direct line at Honor and am able to make requests as it relates to releasing sources and specific documentation. I am not a developer myself, but you guys can feel free to make requests here and I'll bring it back to Honor. It's really important that we get to the point where custom ROM development and full modification is possible on the Honor 8!
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Svetius, here's what I think we would need, @XePeleato or anyone else, please chime in also!
working kernel code - kinda have this XePeleato's work
device tree
full firmware images (for backup/restore use)
proprietary vendor files
documentation on the SoC
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Svetius, here's what I think we would need, @XePeleato or anyone else, please chime in also!
working kernel code - kinda have this XePeleato's work
device tree
full firmware images (for backup/restore use)
proprietary vendor files
documentation on the SoC
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Why would you need a "device tree"? I can create a working one for you in 5 minutes. (I know what you mean, the HAL drivers are not inside the device tree, I'd try to be more specific if you want them to understand what you are asking for)
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Hey Guys,
Just so you know, I have a direct line at Honor and am able to make requests as it relates to releasing sources and specific documentation. I am not a developer myself, but you guys can feel free to make requests here and I'll bring it back to Honor. It's really important that we get to the point where custom ROM development and full modification is possible on the Honor 8!
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Cool, I'd love to talk to them personally, but since that doesn't look possible, I'd like to ask for some things (It feels like Christmas lol)
Specific documentation (Code snippets, a document... you know) about:
Their OpenGL implementationThe Hi110X communications IC (Integrated Circuit)The Audio systemThe Camera, other companies with the same sensor released their drivers source so it isn't Top SecretThe SePolicy
That would be a good starting point and in my opinion it's pretty reasonable.
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Why would you need a "device tree"? I can create a working one for you in 5 minutes. (I know what you mean, the HAL drivers are not inside the device tree, I'd try to be more specific if you want them to understand what you are asking for)
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My thought was, if we're asking, might as well go all out and get something like what OnePlus released for the 3. A full working device tree, kernel, etc.... http://www.xda-developers.com/onepl...-3-device-trees-and-kernel-sources-available/
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My thought was, if we're asking, might as well go all out and get something like what OnePlus released for the 3. A full working device tree, kernel, etc.... http://www.xda-developers.com/onepl...-3-device-trees-and-kernel-sources-available/
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One Plus did went forward and released proprietary blobs for Dash charging that were supported on AOSP based ROMs. If Huawei don't want to release source codes for their OpenGL, Hi110x, composer, camera, etc implementations, then at least proprietary blobs free from EMUI crap that work with AOSP (this is the least I want; source code is always good as it means we don't have to depend on Huawei if things break or if we want to develop future versions of Android which if aren't released officially by Huawei).
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Svetius, here's what I think we would need, @XePeleato or anyone else, please chime in also!
working kernel code - kinda have this XePeleato's work
device tree
full firmware images (for backup/restore use)
proprietary vendor files
documentation on the SoC
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From this list, what are the "must-haves"?
Would be nice for others to chime in.
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From this list, what are the "must-haves"?
Would be nice for others to chime in.
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The most important things we need are:
Proper documentation about the SoC and if possible, a Board Support Package for Kirin which will greatly boost development.
Proprietary blobs which don't include EMUI crap and Huawei's mistakes.
We already have the kernel source which thanks to Huawei was zipped in a non-case sensitive OS and the stock firmware images to extract vendor blobs (which don't work well with AOSP/CM).
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The most important things we need are:
Proper documentation about the SoC and if possible, a Board Support Package for Kirin which will greatly boost development.
Proprietary blobs which don't include EMUI crap and Huawei's mistakes.
We already have the kernel source which thanks to Huawei was zipped in a non-case sensitive OS and the stock firmware images to extract vendor blobs (which don't work well with AOSP/CM).
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While in my opinion this is totally correct, it's also crucial to ask for reasonable stuff or Honor will think that We are just noobs asking for a 'git pull && make' solution, (that they will obviously not support).
I know this was anks' idea, but by asking for binary blobs ready to use with stock android, you are really telling them to code again a big part of their drivers and libraries. They won't do that since they are not going to put that much effort just to please us. Maybe We can suggest them to 'organize' their code for future phones.
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While in my opinion this is totally correct, it's also crucial to ask for reasonable stuff or Honor will think that We are just noobs asking for a 'git pull && make' solution, (that they will obviously not support).
I know this was anks' idea, but by asking for binary blobs ready to use with stock android, you are really telling them to code again a big part of their drivers and libraries. They won't do that since they are not going to put that much effort just to please us. Maybe We can suggest them to 'organize' their code for future phones.
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I guess I was dreaming way too much. I'm expecting too much from someone who has delivered nothing in the past. We'll keep it simple then. Honor, please release Kirin documentation, schematics and Board Support Package.
Both @hackslash and @XePeleato make great points. I guess I was going for a wish list, dream case option where they would be willing to put in some work for us. Realistically, I agree, good documentation and organized code will go a long way. Would it be possible to keep the lines of communication open? If there's an issue developers run into with the released code, if we can go back and ask for something additional/clarifications.
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Both @hackslash and @XePeleato make great points. I guess I was going for a wish list, dream case option where they would be willing to put in some work for us. Realistically, I agree, good documentation and organized code will go a long way. Would it be possible to keep the lines of communication open? If there's an issue developers run into with the released code, if we can go back and ask for something additional/clarifications.
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I also have the same question. Since @svetius is going to be a middle man and he will carry our queries to the Honor, it would have been much better if a group of members at XDA who have experience with Kirin devices were selected and were allowed to do the talking. This way, that group could better address the problems faced in developing and the stuff which is need to implement Kirin's proprietary stuff.
Atleast there should be a separate thread here in XDA which is solely for the purpose of addressing all queries to @svetius which he would carry on to Honor. At this point, I am clueless what's happening with the partnership and if there has been even some communication regarding this between the two partners.
All this is pure marketing . How can you be a thread of a phone that does not own the source kernel ?
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Hey Guys,
Just so you know, I have a direct line at Honor and am able to make requests as it relates to releasing sources and specific documentation. I am not a developer myself, but you guys can feel free to make requests here and I'll bring it back to Honor. It's really important that we get to the point where custom ROM development and full modification is possible on the Honor 8!
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Setup a page on their website for developers like what SONY has been doing.
scafroglia93 said:
All this is pure marketing . How can you be a thread of a phone that does not own the source kernel ?
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Of course We have the kernel source, go ahead and build CM with it.