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Hello,
The display has a great resolution and has a wonderful size, but what can we expect from the screen brightness and contrast?
There is a review where the HD is compared to the Iphone 3G and the contrast and brightness of the iphone is even better (colors are stronger). Will the sold blackstone offer a better quality display contrast / brightness?
thx for any reply.
It's not the screen itself in which the IPhone is superior. Both screens (in darker situations) have quite similar brightness/contrast/color strength (looking at the Diamond and an IPhone 3G right now), and the Diamond is a hell of a lot sharper with 3 times the PPI.
But outside, on pictures and in well lit videos, the screen of the Diamond, Pro and HD all become a bit glared because they do not reflect all of the light, like the IPhone's glass screen, or the Blackberry Bold. They pick up some of the light which makes it harder to view the screen which is behind the top plastic layer, hence it looks as if their contrast is worse than that of the IPhone, which is not always the case.
In terms of DPI/PPI the HD will be lower than the Pro/Diamond I'm assuming since the horizontal resolution is the same even though the screen is wider and the vertical resolution is 'only' 160 pixels more in a screen that is a good bit longer than the Pro/Diamond.
Is this 'loss' of DPI/PPI in any way noticeable?
It is noticable, as soon as you stick your face into the screen and have good eyes The PPI is lower yes, but still much higher than say the IPhone (about 2.5 times higher). Since even on the IPhone you hardly notice pixels, the HD screen will still be tight as a drum, print quality for sure. The difference between the HD and the Diamond really is minimal.
Also, the huge screen means you will not be staring at your phone from up close since you have so much more real estate, you can hold it further away. Also I like the fact that the PPI have decreased in the width, because that makes all WinMo user interface bigger which is a plus imo, I really like the Diamond but their statement that you will only need one finger to control everything is BS.
is it amoled or ?
it has a high-resolution capacitive touchscreen
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it has a high-resolution capacitive touchscreen
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That didn't answer his question.
I remember reading somewhere that it is LCD, unfortunately...
24-bit TFT, I think. AMOLED isn't necessarily the bee's knees, even though people like to use it as a buzz word.
I don't really care if it is AMOLED or not, but I like to know what sensor is used in the screen. As far as I know, the droid/milestone had a dual touch screen, and from videos I've seen it looks much less responsive as e.g. the full 16 touch multitouch on the Samsung Galaxy S.
I'm aware that this is not an issue for many people, and I'm not yet sure how important it is for me. But there seem to be differences in the different sensor technologies used, and I would like to know where the droid x stands.
e.g. this article claims that the sensor in the galaxy has a "response time of 7 milliseconds which is 2-3 times faster than current multi-touch displays.", and that it can recognise up to 16 different touches.
androidcommunity.com/samsung-galaxy-s-has-the-best-multi-touch-screen-ever-20100524/
yes but who has 16 fingers much less that you can fit on a 4 inch screen....
It's an IPS LCD like the original Droid.
It's a TFT screen. It says on the consumer site, near the bottom under "Physical". (Sorry, new to the site, can't post the active link)
motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/ci.Motorola-DROID-X-US-EN.alt
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I remember reading somewhere that it is LCD, unfortunately...
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If it had amloed i wouldnt be getting it. I returned my incredible for this reason. Txt is blurry on amloled....i dont understand how people dont see its inferior.
suzook said:
If it had amloed i wouldnt be getting it. I returned my incredible for this reason. Txt is blurry on amloled....i dont understand how people dont see its inferior.
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I agree. I had an Incredible and the text was jagged. Not to mention AMOLED gets "burn-in" which means after a while the status bar will be permanently burned into the top of the screen. The colors are better, and the power draw is lower. Those are the only 2 advantages over LCD, ever where else they fall short.
The lagged text has something to do with how they make AMOLEDs. They use RGB like LCD for each pixel, but they only have 1 green per 2 pixels. So in effect its like the screen has less pixels over all.
More information on this here. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...exus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars/
AMOLED is a buzz word. LCD work better in the sun and the text is more crisp.
Burn in will not be an issue on any phone. It's just like a TV. If you had say, some sort of icon constantly open on the screen in the exact same location for many hours continuously alright. But on a phone you rarely have anything open without changing for >6 hours anyway. and burn-in requires more than 6 hours, it only happens after usually a year or two of a TV displaying something static like a network logo.
Colors are much richer, but a bit less accurate. This isn't as crucial since you're on a phone and not exactly going for insane color accuracy, and lcd screens in general aren't extraordinarily accurate (seem to be either overly red or blue, or "warm" and "cool")
AMOLED also uses a LOT less power, and I really doubt you're going to see a huge difference in screen legibility in the sun.
(can't post links yet)
engadget.com/2010/06/21/super-amoled-vs-amoled-vs-lcd-in-direct-sunlight-fight/
engadget has a nice comparison video, all look pretty bad except for maybe the SAMOLED and the iphone 4 is apparently alright. then again, if you literally just shield it a bit with your body (turn away from the sun) all screens are fairly readable. The sun sucks, and screens universally suck in sun compared to indoors.
Last point: AMOLED is really awesome at night. The blacks are indeed REALLY black. So far nothing but the OLED displays can reach that level (since it is 100% black, no light is actually emitted, giving it theoretically infinite contrast ratio).
No need for sour grapes, there are no 4.3 inch OLED phones that I know of in the US anyway, and if you want a large screen the droid x will deliver.
I'd be more concerned about multitouch sensors that amoled vs LCD, those will make or break a phone, I hope motorola invested in some sensors similar to the evo/incredible.
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you want a large screen the droid x will deliver.
I'd be more concerned about multitouch sensors that amoled vs LCD, those will make or break a phone, I hope motorola invested in some sensors similar to the evo/incredible.
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That's what I am worried about... I saw the video of the evo and incredible and the screen response issues.. it was pretty awful to say the least...
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It's an IPS LCD like the original Droid.
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Is that IPS like iPhone 4's S-IPS? I know the resolutions are different but is the tech otherwise the same? I've compared my Incredible to the iPhone 4 and I really didn't see a significant difference in color quality.
Droid X has a TFT LCD screen...
Droid Incredible has an AMOLED & STFT LCD screen...
First Droid Inc have the AMOLED and newer releases has STFT... mixture of both...
Touch Screen Sensor
Not sure the exact manufacturer or model, but I found a good test of the touch sensor / multitouch for the Droid X.
Youtube link: (apparently can't post outside link yet)
Google "DroidXMultitouchTest". 2nd link
Results look great. My last reservation is removed. By the way, there isn't a "hitch" like the guy says, it's the font and changing sides. That's why you don't see it in the second test.
Until we see Pixel Qi screens, it doesn't really matter. Pixel Qi is worlds better than any display available now, including the iPhone 4 and the Galaxy S. I'm hoping the rumored "display like you've never seen" comment from HTC is a smartphone with a Pixel Qi screen.
Watch this, a laptop with a Pixel Qi screen versus the iPad in bright sunlight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NotK4TVQ-6E
Edit: by the way, Pixel Qi screens can "turn off" but still display a grayscale image just like the e-ink technology on the Amazon Kindle. It's pure win. People are all excited about the 4G/LTE networks coming, but IMO, most people should be MORE excited for Pixel Qi displays in smartphones.
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Pixel Qi displays in smartphones.
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im excited about both... 4g and pixel qi display...
I'm curious to as to what everyone's preference is, between the massive 4.3" screen of the evo, and wickedly high resolution screen on the iphone 4.
I'm an evo owner, but I've had the opportunity to use the iphone at length, and the screen amazes me. In terms of sharpness, clarity, and white point, the iphone clearly beats the evo. But there is also something to be said for sheer screen real estate.
Personally, I prefer the larger screen size to higher resolution, but what does everyone think?
This is not a debate of which operating system or which phone you would rather have over all, this Is just about the screen
I find the Evo screen plenty sharp and clear and the iPhone screen is just too small for me now so I don't care how sharp it is it's not for me
Granted I haven't had at length sessions with it, but I didn't find the iPhone 4's screen to be better looking than the Evo's. I didn't perform any tests or anything but I did play around with one for a while. I find the Evo's so clear it looks fake sometimes. I couldn't go back to a smaller screen.
The iPhone 4 screen is nice. No one can deny that, but I would prefer the Evo screen due to size. Even going back to my Nexus or Droid the screen now seems tiny, and there's no way I could go back to the screen on my iPhone 3G now.
I would like to have that resolution on a screen this size though.
I can't look at any screen less than 4 inches now.
The larger screen eeks out a win from me, but I do looooove the iPhone 4s screen.
I prefer a larger screen like the evo with the higher resolution of the Iphone.
Unfortunately it doesn't exist. I'll take the larger screen though.
After using my supersonic and hd2 I got use to the 4.3 and couldn't go back to any other device.every other phone I held felt awkward to look at the screen.
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Its like asking to give up your 65" 1080p plasma tv for a 50 just because things look better on the 50"...
I was an iphone user since day one, I am a mac user, from mac pros at home to macbook pros and so on.
I love mac products but I am telling you, they need to let the phone business period.
They just released the igimp and it already behind times.
Steve, if you want my business back, get your product on a better network, and give me a 4.5" or better full face screen.
I finally got the chance to use an iPhone 4 in person yesterday because my cousin has one. The iPhone 4's screen is DEFINITELY much sharper and crisper. The only problem is that it's so small that when held at a normal length away from your face, you really can't tell. You have to be looking at it up close to really see any difference.
That being said, as much as I applaud apple for trying to improve their resolution, it doesn't help much that the screen is so tiny. I prefer the EVO's larger screen because it makes reading and seeing so much easier. Even my cousin admitted that the EVO is easier to read and that he wishes the iPhone 4 was bigger. Super screen resolution doesn't help too much if the screen is already so small to begin with.
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I finally got the chance to use an iPhone 4 in person yesterday because my cousin has one. The iPhone 4's screen is DEFINITELY much sharper and crisper. The only problem is that it's so small that when held at a normal length away from your face, you really can't tell. You have to be looking at it up close to really see any difference.
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Thank you for saying that. I went in a whole description in another thread about ppi to distance relationship. A good example. Most print media is at 300 ppi or more. Internet images are usually 72 ppi and look like crap printed out. Billboards which look great are printed at 25 dpi. Since you're viewing them from so far you can't tell.
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Well, after doing some pen and paper math, I've figured out that if the Evo wanted to have a display of the same resolution as the iPhone 4 at approximately 329ppi, with a 4.3" size, we would be looking at a resolution of approximately 1216x730.
No doubt at all that would be one sick display, but considering the battery-draining iPhone 4 screen, and then making it roughly 70% larger surface area, and you can see where the problem would be. We'd have to come up with a 3500mAh battery just for it to be usable.
Iphone 4 display has is roughly 5.65 square inches, while the evo 4g's is about 8.15.
Has anyone noticed that texts on Vibrant are not very sharp, and you can notice the pixelation easily?
Comparing Vibrant and Nexus One side by side, N1's texts look much sharper. I know that DPI of Vibrant is higher due to the larger screen, but I didn't think it would be this noticeable.
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Has anyone noticed that texts on Vibrant are not very sharp, and you can notice the pixelation easily?
Comparing Vibrant and Nexus One side by side, N1's texts look much sharper. I know that DPI of Vibrant is higher due to the larger screen, but I didn't think it would be this noticeable.
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They both have PenTile displays, and S-AMOLED display has the panel much closer to the glass.
I noticed the sharpness issue too. I can't really explain it but it was looking as if the default text on the Vibrant had edge enhancement applied and there's a halo'ing effect on the letters. This was taken care of by switching to one of the included fonts. The font I'm using now does not have this problem.
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Has anyone noticed that texts on Vibrant are not very sharp, and you can notice the pixelation easily?
Comparing Vibrant and Nexus One side by side, N1's texts look much sharper. I know that DPI of Vibrant is higher due to the larger screen, but I didn't think it would be this noticeable.
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dpi and screen size are two entirely separate attributes. we're talking apples and oranges. they are not related.
While I will chime in my $0.02 as well, let's not make this yet another "pentile is crap" thread, there are plenty of those already. One of the first things I do on every new phone I look at is to pull up engadget in landscape in desktop mode, completely zoomed out. It's a very familiar website to me and I can get a good sense of how much screen real estate the phone offers and how legible small text is. I was amazed on the EVO 4G how legible very small text was, and I noticed right away on the Vibrant that the same text was rougher and somehow interpolated. While the EVO screen is somewhat larger and text is thus fractionally bigger, the difference was still noticeable. However, I still got the Vibrant for several reasons:
- it's the only large screen Android phone on TMO, and probably will be for a while--I'm quite SICK of waiting
- I want to stick with GSM carriers, and AT&T doesn't have anything better either
- the EVO has other issues, such as pretty bad battery life and possibly the detaching screen problem
- quite frankly I only read zoomed out sites for a quick overview, to read full articles I always zoom in a bit. Despite having perfect vision, even on the EVO reading an entire article or two at such tiny text sizes would get tedious after a while. Once zoomed in a bit, the Vibrant looks perfectly fine and non-distracting, at least to me
- the Vibrant has other things going for it, such as incredible contrast, better battery life, an awesome camera (yes, even without flash), and quite frankly the highest performance hardware out right now, until the 1.5GHz or 2GHz devices come one
To sum up, ALL the current phones out require one or more compromises of one type or another. Determine for yourself which ones you can live the least with, buy the corresponding phone, and quit reading these forums to prevent buyer's remorse ;-)
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vibrant text sharpness
i read somewhere online when i updated my nexus one to 2.2 that it had a fix for sharper screen resolution and it did look better after the update so i imagine when the vibrant gets the update the screen will look just as sharp as the n1 if not better
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dpi and screen size are two entirely separate attributes. we're talking apples and oranges. they are not related.
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How so? Same resolution on a larger screen means less dpi by definition, no?
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How so? Same resolution on a larger screen means less dpi by definition, no?
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Because the DPI, "Dots per Inch" is exactly that; a given amounts of dots per an inch of space. Could be on a 5 ft screen or a 1 " screen and be the same.
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Because the DPI, "Dots per Inch" is exactly that; a given amounts of dots per an inch of space. Could be on a 5 ft screen or a 1 " screen and be the same.
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Indeed, so if two displays have the same number of pixels but different physical dimensions, then they also have different maximum possible DPI.
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Indeed, so if two displays have the same number of pixels but different physical dimensions, then they also have different maximum possible DPI.
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I think he was referring to the op and his quote here
"I know that DPI of Vibrant is higher due to the larger screen"
This is not always true cause a smaller screen could have a higher dpi then a larger screen because it's running a resolution that provides it with such. Just like the Iphone 4 dpi is higher then the Evo's dpi even though it's a much smaller screen.
I just read a 350 page book using the Kindle app. I thought the text looked fine. Maybe it's time to pay a visit to Lens Crafters...
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I think he was referring to the op and his quote here
"I know that DPI of Vibrant is higher due to the larger screen"
This is not always true cause a smaller screen could have a higher dpi then a larger screen because it's running a resolution that provides it with such. Just like the Iphone 4 dpi is higher then the Evo's dpi even though it's a much smaller screen.
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100% correct and yes this is what I was trying to point out. For me coming from a g1 its a huge improvement due to higher resolution.
Fyi folks go to wikipedia and look up dot pitch. It explains a lot.
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Everyone has been raving on the DVP's screen, but having had the HD7 while waiting for my DVP to arrive, I've gotta say - I have mixed emotions!
While the colors are substantially better side by side...anyone notice how pixelated the DVP's screen is on text and such? The battery indicator is a good example of what I'm talking about...
I think I might actually prefer the LCD of the HD7 better, despite the lesser black level and color saturation.
Anyone else have any thoughts?
I see what you are talking about... I didn't realize this before you mentioned.
AMOLED in VP is a little bit too much saturated and the HD7 is a wee bit too washed up
A middle ground would have been awesome.
Maybe SLCD or SAMOELD hits that middle ground. My friend is getting the Captivate, will compare this side by side and let you know.
I have a slight blue tint on my whites at certain angles. I dont see a big difference in the two screens, but i expected more from the AMOLED.
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I have a slight blue tint on my whites at certain angles. I dont see a big difference in the two screens, but i expected more from the AMOLED.
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I think that was my big let-down. I had (probably overinflated) high expectations of the AMOLED. I didn't see much on the net talking about it, and in fact, most reviews talk about the sharpness of the display, so I was confused if it was just my unit?
I *WAS* able to find a couple of sites that talk about AMOLED having sub-pixels vs a standard LCD/SLCD, and therefore it's not as good for small text or sharpness...
I must say, though, I love the keyboard, and I'm still going to keep the DVP over the HD7 - just a little surprised at the lack of impact from the screen, considering what they've done to build this device (gorilla glass, etc).
I agree with you on the fact that the AMOLED on the dvp has noticeable pixels more than the HD2 that I have. What’s even more sad is that they have the same resolution yet HD2 has a larger screen – Thus I should see more pixels from the HD2, however, this is the opposite.
Why does the DVP have noticeable pixels? Can anyone compare this with the Nexus One and see if they are the same?
Pen-tile matrix effect, probably what you are seeing here. However I cant see what scenario would occur to make me prefer the washed out screen of the HD7, just too darn low quality for me.
Its the nature of the AMOLED screens, my Focus had the same thing. However, overall, I find the screen on the DVP far, far superior to the HD7.
it was my understanding this is more a fault with windows phone 7 as it does not use 16m colours like the display can do.
Personally owning both.. the DVP has a MUCH better screen. Especailly if you change brightness to high.
ive never see an amoled screen before, but coming from the HD2, i was very disappointed.
i guess the hype of amoled screens made me have high expectations which were too high by the time i saw a real amoled screen.
Now that I have a DVP in hand all I can say is the difference is clear, the Dell's AMOLED screen is superior. Maybe some are being swayed by the size but for someone who has had an HD2 for almost 9 months the size is not really a factor and the lack of colour, dim lifeless screen is just no competition for the AMOLED on the Dell.
HD7 Advantages
+Noticeable advantage in color accuracy
+Larger screen offers better spacing on keyboard (portrait)
+Good black levels while inside optimum viewing angles
+/-Brightness is more than adequate (auto brightness is a little conservative though)
+/-Decent viewing angles (No issues during regular use)
HD7 disadvantages
-/+Decent viewing angles (Poor viewing angles make kickstand less useful)
-Slightly less responsive (my opinion)
-Lacks sharpness while viewing pictures (not sure why but they aren't as sharp as the rest of the time with the HD7)
-Color saturation could be better
Venue Pro Advantages
+Excellent contrast with fantastic black levels
+Slightly more responsive touchscreen (my opinion)
+Good brightness
+Excellent color saturation (somewhat oversaturated though)
+Perfect size (my opinion)
+/-Sharpness (pixels aren't noticeable during normal use)
Venue Pro Disadvantages
-/+Sharpness (some users may notice more pixelation)
-Very high color temperature (extremely unusual coming from a calibrated display)
-Can't use the brightness to your advantage without battery drain
-Keyboard felt a little cramped coming from the HD7
I miss the color accuracy of the HD7 but love the size and responsiveness of the Venue Pro. The HD7 gets a bad reputation because of viewing angles but during normal use this is a non-issue and possible advantage with curious onlookers (there will be plenty). It offers better black levels and shadow detail than the iphone 4 but gets hammered for viewing angles. The Venue Pro offers fantastic build quality, an almost perfect size (my opinion) and a more responsive touchscreen (my opinion). It has a very high color temperature but offers superb black levels and color saturation. It is also sleeker than I had anticipated from all the comments saying that it is a beast.
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Samsung has bastardized AMOLED with pentile imo. It prolongs display life but the tradeoff in picture quality is too great. There are AMOLED's with normal subpixels, and they look fantastic (Cowon S9, Zune HD, etc).
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Samsung has bastardized AMOLED with pentile imo. It prolongs display life but the tradeoff in picture quality is too great. There are AMOLED's with normal subpixels, and they look fantastic (Cowon S9, Zune HD, etc).
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That's a great point - the ZuneHD I have looks amazing! Still loving my phone, though...
Zoom Sharpness?
I purchased the DVP to have something that will show my pictures a little more accurately than the LCD I have on my HD2 (the slightly extra saturation is better than the washed out look on the HD2) but I now find that there is no sharpness to the images when zooming in.
I have a photo of the lights of Chicago at night and when at the full screen zoom level, it looks ok but zoom in and it is a blurry mess. My HD2 is very sharp when zoomed.
In the Zune software I have tried full size pictures compressed by Zune, pre-compressed images with Zune left on "Original" with no compression and nothing seems to make the images better when zoomed.
Anyone else seeing this problem? This could be a deal breaker for me as far as AMOLED screens go unless it is a WP7 problem. I would love to see how my images look on a Droid device with AMOLED.
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I purchased the DVP to have something that will show my pictures a little more accurately than the LCD I have on my HD2 (the slightly extra saturation is better than the washed out look on the HD2) but I now find that there is no sharpness to the images when zooming in.
I have a photo of the lights of Chicago at night and when at the full screen zoom level, it looks ok but zoom in and it is a blurry mess. My HD2 is very sharp when zoomed.
In the Zune software I have tried full size pictures compressed by Zune, pre-compressed images with Zune left on "Original" with no compression and nothing seems to make the images better when zoomed.
Anyone else seeing this problem? This could be a deal breaker for me as far as AMOLED screens go unless it is a WP7 problem. I would love to see how my images look on a Droid device with AMOLED.
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I agree with you. Images seem way too pixilated. I mean, I can actually see them which is so sad when I compare it to the HD2. When I am going to do is wait for WP7 to be release on the HD2 by Cotulla and then compare if it the OS or specifically the DVP.
Has anyone seen another amoled screen before in real life? This is my first time I’ve seen an amoled screen. I am not impressed…. At all. Lol but the colors are lovely. Image quality drops, while color saturation grains points
If you read the Cnet phone screen shootout you will see that the HD7 has some pixelation on images of text when zoomed. I have also seen some softness and pixelation on my wifes HD7 when zoomed in. This only really seems to be when viewing images so I would guess it is OS related and not specific to the Venue Pro.
I own a Nexus S and DVP and the dell is getting returned today. Main reason is android is a better fit for me but close second is NS screen is head and shoulders better. No pixelation like I had on dvp.
I think I had a lemon too my dvp was freezing quite a bit.
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ruprick said:
I own a Nexus S and DVP and the dell is getting returned today. Main reason is android is a better fit for me but close second is NS screen is head and shoulders better. No pixelation like I had on dvp.
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I find this odd. I had a Focus and an Epic 4G - both have the same screen as the Nexus S - and they had the same pixelation issue as the DVP. It has to do with the AMOLED screen.