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Hi everyone,
just want to know, for the VueFlo Function, is it very sensitive to slight and mild tilts? eg if you tilt the device slowly to the sides or up and down in IE, does the screen/page move?
If it is, I plan to make an app/software for it in the future
So interested in Athena but sadly, it's not available in Aussie yet.
its pretty sensitive, only need to tilt a few degree up down left or right. trick is when to turn it on, since all movements are relative to the orientation of the device when vueflow is activated.
i find it just a gimmick for web browsing
the most obvious application would b an arcade game navigating a ball around a maze or something
or a dodgy electronic attitude indicator for an aircraft
shockboy2000 said:
its pretty sensitive, only need to tilt a few degree up down left or right. trick is when to turn it on, since all movements are relative to the orientation of the device when vueflow is activated.
i find it just a gimmick for web browsing
the most obvious application would b an arcade game navigating a ball around a maze or something
or a dodgy electronic attitude indicator for an aircraft
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Ok. Thanks for that quick reply.
Electronic Attitude Indicator: That's the app I wanted to make.
The sensitivity can be adjusted to low or high and several points in between. Goto settings and VueFlo to adjust sensitivity.
You can also change it work to work in IE or Opera
How do you turn off Vue Flo?? It's driving me nuts!!!
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How do you turn off Vue Flo?? It's driving me nuts!!!
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Long press the same button...the icon will disappear in the above menu bar to confirm this.
Thanks!! That does the trick ... You Rock !!!!
So any more owners with comments on this feature? Anyone find it useful?
I find it very useful for random browsing of web pages and news pages.It is easy to turn on and off,and once you get used to it, it really works quite well.
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hdbueller said:
I find it very useful for random browsing of web pages and news pages.It is easy to turn on and off,and once you get used to it, it really works quite well.
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Great! Anyone else with thumbs up?
Packet 3 said:
Hi everyone,
just want to know, for the VueFlo Function, is it very sensitive to slight and mild tilts? eg if you tilt the device slowly to the sides or up and down in IE, does the screen/page move?
If it is, I plan to make an app/software for it in the future
So interested in Athena but sadly, it's not available in Aussie yet.
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Can't you order an unlocked version and have it shipped to you?
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Great! Anyone else with thumbs up?
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Yes, it's a nice little addon to the device. I use it when I am browsing long pages or am spending a lot of time online, etc.
Wish there was a way to customize it and allow it to interact with other applications. It would be ideal for there to be a settings area where you see a list of installed applications and a check box next to each. Then if you check the box next to Word for example, you could use it with that application. I wonder if it just emulates the directional keys and if so if this can be adapted as an alternate input method. Instead of using the joystick, just write a wrapper that will accept input from Vueflow.
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Yes, it's a nice little addon to the device. I use it when I am browsing long pages or am spending a lot of time online, etc.
Wish there was a way to customize it and allow it to interact with other applications. It would be ideal for there to be a settings area where you see a list of installed applications and a check box next to each. Then if you check the box next to Word for example, you could use it with that application. I wonder if it just emulates the directional keys and if so if this can be adapted as an alternate input method. Instead of using the joystick, just write a wrapper that will accept input from Vueflow.
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That would be the ultimate solution for using SPB Insight RSS reader!!!
Any way to use VueFLO in all apps?
Obviously, this would be ideal for scrolling through emails/contacts etc.
Unfortunately, doesn't seem like anyone has managed to access the API's/runtimes for this yet---anyone want to give it a shot?
Guys,
I really think we should bring this one back to life, what with the iphone and all its spirit levels and labyrinth games
The simplicity of windows api structure is what makes pocket pc so versatile, lets take advantage!
And there isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell I’m going to sit back and watch my co-workers tell me how crap my phone is compared to their Iphone. I’m not in the game of letting a friend's spirit go uncrushed.
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The Vuoflo is no different in principle to the N95's accellerometer or the Iphone's auto rotate hardware. It could be used for anything involving d-pad movement (search for NOKMOTE or ROTATEME on Youtube and you'll see what I mean).
It seems that HTC have put a lot of effort into making this hardware un-tappable. Either that or developers aren't interested in developing for it. The possibilities are great though.
before we go any further, id like to point out im not a complete luddite and ive thought about this a fair bit before posting...
looking at the iphone vids, i notice that multi touch pretty much means dual touch. i expect their technology allows for more than two fingers, but the space and OS dont really allow for this.
in playing with my univ, i notice it does some kind of averaging between to fingers - so possibly at a low level u could get multi-touch - but logic says if this is possible, sure it would have been done by now.
my logic also says this:
if u get a second touch screen plate (i beleive that the touch screen element is a layer over the screen - if this isnt true, my logic is flawed) and install it over the top of the current screen - but rotated 180 degrees, and there is the provisioning for a second touch screen input (probably unlikely but surely u could hijack something else such as the serial used for irda) then if you can read the top left touch of each screen, u should have fairly accurate multi touch, good enough for the cheesy 'grab photo and resize by stretching'
am i totally wrong here? is there any point looking further into this?
ps. in writing this, it also occurs to me that the iphones biggest use of this is the photos - which are always in the same place, scaled on correct aspect ratio etc - theres no need for two fingers - u could just grab one corner to stretch it and itd be a very similar efect
Nope, sorry.
Dear Alan,
I thank you for your insightful reply. I feel you have bettered the forum and the community as a whole with your intelligent wit and your interesting and thought inducing contradictions to the theories that i presented.
Without your thoughts I may have been tempted to push these ideas further, maybe even get out a soldering iron and a copy of visual studio, but I can clearly see that I am mistaken in where this project could go and will not further waste my time.
I must thank you kind sir, for your thought and advice. You are a squire and a gentleman.
Lol
I don't think DIY hardware upgrades have ever made it far - consider the viability of GPS on the Hermes - it does require one to pop out a soldering iron to play with the idea. So your market is already down to a fraction of a %.
But I'm sure you could wire up a bluetooth or even IRDA multitouch capacitance layer... However, from a theoretical point of view - is it worth it? I considered the idea, and the Universal/Athena might make sense with your bigger screen, but on your average Hermes, I can barely get two fingers on the screen without obscurring most of it.
Like momentum based scrolling, I think multitouch on such a small screen is kinda gimicky - as you said, it's easier to write logic to pin one corner, free rotate with a finger on the other corner, enlarge, zoom etc. Ie ergonomic single touch.
Multitouch, even if possible on HTCs, barely seems to have a practical milieu IMHO on devices with screens <= 3 inches.
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ps. in writing this, it also occurs to me that the iphones biggest use of this is the photos - which are always in the same place, scaled on correct aspect ratio etc - theres no need for two fingers - u could just grab one corner to stretch it and itd be a very similar efect
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I am totally agree with you. and there are some other relatively simple solutions that can be used to simulate "multi touch actions" on photos.
for an instance,
D-PAD can be used for photos enlargement:
press both "left" and "right" - scales photos up
press both "up" and "down" - scales photos down
or other way around, etc.
this one not so difficult to implement.
also, it is quite easy to emulate multi-touch action on single touch display itself.
How? if we have applied layer consisted from interleaved pressure sensitive and non-sensitive spots, then having two fingers moved in opposite directions accros this layer will likely create sequence of pressed spots that can be easily analysed and interpreted in guesture.
my understanding is that while your left finger is moving to the left and crossing pressure non-sensitive spot, there is a good chance that your right finger at the same time will be crossing presure sensitive spot and moving to the right. this creates easy to analyze patern.
I believe that logic behind this idea is simple to primitive and guaranteed to work. "public domain" 20.06.2007.
are there any existing apps to get the raw output from the touchscreen (ive got nothing against coding my own, but no need to re-invent the wheel if it already exists)
the more i play with the univ and more than one finger, the more that it almost seems like its multi touch dumbed down to single touch. the averaging it does is rather uncanny and im sure if we can see whats happening before the os gets a look in we can work something out
Hello!
Have you seen the optical sensor on the Samsung Omnia, when you use it a mouse pointer appears like on your desktop computer, then I thought of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Owgcos_KY
The whole button area is touch sensitive, couldn´t someone make a program that activates the area as a "touchpad" so a pointer appears on the screen?
Best Regards Gustaf
Nice idea
I like that idea..! Could get pretty usefull ..
Why isn´t more people interested in my idea, wasn´t my description clear enough?
give me one situation where you actually need this?
i usually have my touch in one hand and using the finger from the other hand to type in commands.
i never have the device lying on the table.
useless for me actually.
1) this is old news, better had done a search
2) there are people working on this (touchxperience)
3) it is NOT multitouch but three singletouch capacitive surfaces.
I don't see any real use for this in every day use, like having a mouse pointer on screen is kinda worthless when you can use your finger on the screen instead.
However this could come in useful in a gaming or likewise situation with the use of finger guester's (spelling) to control things instead of button presses etc, especially as in a game you don't want your fingers blocking whats going on on the screen! Since the d pad on the diamond is next to worthless using this interface could in fact be quite good. Still can't think of an exact situation where it could come in useful mind!
there is no point in this as you already have a touch screen so that eliminates any use of needing a "pointer"
however, as said earlier, touchXperience is in development so check that out if you really wish.
I think it would be actually pretty usefull for text edition-correction or to copy and paste text on web pages.... that could be cool
I hate to use the stylus and a mouse pointer is alot more precise than my thumb. So navigating outside TF3D, Gaming, Showoff, textediting etc.
Everything I wanted to say is mentioned by other people already.
Useless, touxchXperience in dev, similar ideas, ...
Seems like a lot of people drop in and start of by saying: Hey you there! create this for me! and then change it to that ... and then ...
TouchXperience may make use of the area but not at all like my suggestion. I just thought that it could be useful for some....
After using Hero for about a month I noticed that I can perform almost every task on this phone only using my right thumb. While multitouch seems to many including me like a revolutionary UI concept making user experience more comfortable I'd like to ask do we really need multitouch for anything except games?
Would you like to see more multitouch functions on Hero?
Don't you find gestures which can be performed using only one finger more suitable for small devices like cell phone?
well, i'd guess that that's the reason why there are no more multitouch gestures other than the zoom... i couldn't think of any other right now, but it for me it is similar to mouse gestures. there are like hundreds of them pre-made in any firefox add-on, i use maybe four of them. wouldn't wanna miss them though, same as the browser zoom
Well, when we get Eclair, and multitouch is actually part of android rather than just an HTC add-on, I imagine more and more android apps will adopt and take advantage of it.
I do see games getting much better with it. It'd be nice to have a more verbose on-screen controller for the SNES emulator, which is rather unusable on the Hero right now.
But yeah, I agree... as of right now, multitouch doesn't do a whole lot for us. I think the future has good things in store though.
multitouch is good for the keyboard, when you press and hold shift, you can make a capital letter easily for example.
Aside from that; a VNC app where 2 finger scroll is pan screen, and 1 finger is change mouse-cursor.
or two finger scroll down gesture on the screen will pull down the 'android-notification bar'.
Don't know. I guess I feel the same as you guys; I didn't really miss is it after coming from a iPhone 3G
Multitouch is extremely important if you want to type fast on the keyboard ! It will recognize your second character, even when your other thumb is still on the first character... without multitouch, you have to elevate your thumb first, before you can tap another letter with your other thumb (still following ? )... so it makes the typing experience A LOT better ! just try it yourself: type on a hero and then on a magic... there's a difference ! (well, for me there was )... also multitouch in the browser is pretty handy ! I use pinch & zoom ALL the time, because with double tap it doesn't zoom like I would want it to ...
So for me, multitouch is a pretty important factor !
Hi guys -
Shocked that no one else has mentioned this issue on XDA yet, actually...
One of the reasons I bought the keyboard dock for the Transformer was for the possibility of using VNC / RDP clients to control remote machines. This works brilliantly with the built-in client (Splashtop) -- with 2 mildly important exceptions: trackpad scrolling and right-click.
Right-clicking obviously backs out of the session completely (as this is hard-mapped to Android "back")... which is only less frustrating than 2-finger scrolling actually crashing the client and ending the session. If you even touch the trackpad with two fingers, you're finished. (Note: I've tried using USB mice and other clients as well with the same result.)
I'm really surprised at the oversight on ASUS' part here. The transformer and dock would be the perfect solution for this task if it were not for these issues.
So... as I'm not a programmer or dev (like some of the brilliant minds that grace this forum) I'm wondering -- is this something that could be fixed?
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Hi guys -
Shocked that no one else has mentioned this issue on XDA yet, actually...
One of the reasons I bought the keyboard dock for the Transformer was for the possibility of using VNC / RDP clients to control remote machines. This works brilliantly with the built-in client (Splashtop) -- with 2 mildly important exceptions: trackpad scrolling and right-click.
Right-clicking obviously backs out of the session completely (as this is hard-mapped to Android "back")... which is only less frustrating than 2-finger scrolling actually crashing the client and ending the session. If you even touch the trackpad with two fingers, you're finished. (Note: I've tried using USB mice and other clients as well with the same result.)
I'm really surprised at the oversight on ASUS' part here. The transformer and dock would be the perfect solution for this task if it were not for these issues.
So... as I'm not a programmer or dev (like some of the brilliant minds that grace this forum) I'm wondering -- is this something that could be fixed?
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I believe it is probably possible to remap the right click button by editing the kernel and recompiling it (just like how people got rid of the tap click), thus letting you make it right click instead of "back". Some dev who looked at Transformer's kernel can probably give a definite answer.
i believe long press left click=right click
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk
Hmmm... that sounds positive. A hack to switch back and forth from "back" to "right-click" mapping (depending on the active app) would be helpful here.
However, the lack of right-click support isn't nearly as bad as the trackpad scrolling bug. The lack of this basic functionality makes remote clients really horrible to use.
Add one more feature to the list here: click and drag. This doesn't work also, meaning that the only way to scroll anything in VNC is to actually point and click. Yeeesh!
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Hmmm... that sounds positive. A hack to switch back and forth from "back" to "right-click" mapping (depending on the active app) would be helpful here.
However, the lack of right-click support isn't nearly as bad as the trackpad scrolling bug. The lack of this basic functionality makes remote clients really horrible to use.
Add one more feature to the list here: click and drag. This doesn't work also, meaning that the only way to scroll anything in VNC is to actually point and click. Yeeesh!
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Uh, what VNC app are you using? Two-Finger scrolling works on any of the ones I use (Splashtop, RDP) and drag is just click, click and hold and then move your mouse.
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Uh, what VNC app are you using? Two-Finger scrolling works on any of the ones I use (Splashtop, RDP) and drag is just click, click and hold and then move your mouse.
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I'm not speaking of the touchscreen functionality; these issues affect the trackpad on the keyboard dock making it almost unusable for this purpose.
I'm using Splashtop (bundled software -- but regardless, these issues are present on any VNC software I've tried). Two-finger scrolling does NOT work on the trackpad (if you try, your session will actually crash). Neither does click and drag, and right-click backs you out of the session completely. :s
Click and drag works in the HD version of Splashtop
Remote RDP Enterprise/free? supports drag and right click
Thanks for the input!
gwai_jai: Splashtop HD does seem to support click and drag - good find (discovered that recently). Now, if only we could find a way to map right-click and scroll (especially) to the trackpad on the keyboard dock...
dude2k5: When you say that this program supports right-click, is it just some kind of "virtual" / on-screen solution, or does the right mouse button on the trackpad actually work correctly?
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dude2k5: When you say that this program supports right-click, is it just some kind of "virtual" / on-screen solution, or does the right mouse button on the trackpad actually work correctly?
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Supports physical right-click with the right button on the TF trackpad.
That is my primary RDP app now because it's the only one that properly supports right-mouse.
Two finger scrolling on the trackpad doesn't work for me though.
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Thanks for the input!
gwai_jai: Splashtop HD does seem to support click and drag - good find (discovered that recently). Now, if only we could find a way to map right-click and scroll (especially) to the trackpad on the keyboard dock...
dude2k5: When you say that this program supports right-click, is it just some kind of "virtual" / on-screen solution, or does the right mouse button on the trackpad actually work correctly?
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oh man iam waiting for scroll on the trackpad so desperately (two finger scroll on the touchpad of the dock)...then the transformer is perfect!!!
now iam using splashtop HD and i have to use page up/down for scrolling in windows.
opened a request on the splashtop forum support-remote.splashtop.com/entries/20210293-better-support-for-touchpad-dock-asus-transformer
I'm currently 'hacking' android-vnc-viewer (OpenSource) to support the TF touchpad. I have right-mouse-button and mouse tracking working although the former is a bit of a hack and the latter is laggy. I'll look into two-finger scrolling...
It's not perfect, contains debugging, and I need to do a fair amount of cleaning
up before I can commit patches to the opensource code project, but if people want to beta test I can stick a build up someplace.
YES!
Fantastic that someone is working on this! I'm sure I'm not the only person who would be willing to serve as a beta tester...
The first RDP app to support right-click, 2-finger scroll and mouse tracking would make it BIG I'm sure.
2-finger scrolling is huge... I agree with the previous poster. The Transformer handles this so well in Android, and dragging scroll bars and / or being forced to use 'page down' to navigate really does ruin the experience.
Keep us updated, mamoulian666...
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Supports physical right-click with the right button on the TF trackpad.
That is my primary RDP app now because it's the only one that properly supports right-mouse.
Two finger scrolling on the trackpad doesn't work for me though.
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This sounds promising as well - I'll look into it. Thanks for the heads up!
OK here's a link to my current build:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13927052/androidVNC-branch_antlersoft_eeePadBuild_001.apk
As far as I know it's only VNC though, no RDP!
Because it's not signed it will probably ask you to uninstall the Market version first, it also won't use the settings so use the export function in the settings screen before uninstalling.
It should show some toasts on startup indicating that it has detected the Tranformer's touchpad, you should switch to 'mouse input mode' to get the pointer following and right-mouse-button. There might be some other toasts in there for my debugging purposes, if any are particularly annoying I can comment them out quite easily.
No two-finger yet, but any other suggestions/problems let me know.
Has anyone tried the build I put up?
If so can I have some feedback please - does it work OK for you?
It wouldn't install over the market version, but removing that manually first and then installing your worked.
As for right click, it works for thouchpad
It doesnt work for usb mouse, right button on it does nothing (don't remember it if it backed out of the app before).
I like the improments you made to the android-vnc app. Could you please post a version of the app without the toasts? Every so often one of them gets stuck on the screen and won't go away for ~5 min.
I like the right click option but the mouse tracking is very jumpy. I find that when the vnc pointer lags behind the trackpad the two won't line up again and will stay a fixed distance apart. Also is there a way to make the movement on the trackpad not act like a click and drag?
Xtralogic is the way to go. It supports right click (dock and Bluetooth). It also support the scroll wheel on Bluetooth. Give it a try on the Transformer, you'll be surprised how well it works (and how integrated it is).
Cheers.