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I like the HTC HD2 screen size but... ITS WINDOWS MOBILE 6.5! YUCK!
Hopefully Android will be ported over to it when the HTC Evo 4g comes out right? I would kill for that phone
Any opinions as I am making this decision soon...
Greatest hardware in the world is still crap if it's crippled with WM 6.5.
Android was ported but not to the American Version. It probably won't be a long wait though.
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Android was ported but not to the American Version. It probably won't be a long wait though.
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Any links? I've been searching for quite some time and haven't found anything yet and my heart skipped a beat when I read your post
I lied. Don't listen to me, I have no life. I listen to KanYe West. But they have ported it onto the other models of the HD2.
Your better off getting a WMP7, the UI is great and reminds me of my Zune HD. I like winmo, iphone os, and now android too
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I lied. Don't listen to me, I have no life. I listen to KanYe West. But they have ported it onto the other models of the HD2.
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I'm slightly scared.
Blackman778g said:
I like the HTC HD2 screen size but... ITS WINDOWS MOBILE 6.5! YUCK!
Hopefully Android will be ported over to it when the HTC Evo 4g comes out right? I would kill for that phone
Any opinions as I am making this decision soon...
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Why not just get a GN1? Its a better phone and has the benefit of coming with android 2.1 and not giving a single penny over to evilMS.
Ace42 said:
Your better off getting a WMP7, the UI is great and reminds me of my Zune HD. I like winmo, iphone os, and now android too
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Yeah it reminds me of the Zune HD, but as a phone I think the OS is a stupid design. It doesn't seem fluid at all. This, of course, is coming from someone who hasn't had first hand experience. I have only seen videos, and of those videos, I am not impressed.
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Yeah it reminds me of the Zune HD, but as a phone I think the OS is a stupid design. It doesn't seem fluid at all. This, of course, is coming from someone who hasn't had first hand experience. I have only seen videos, and of those videos, I am not impressed.
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Ditto. I've never liked Windows Mobile. Symbian was way better than it, and I have to say, Android has blew symbian out of the water now. But didn't xda port android to it? Meh, I've never been a fan of ports, either. Here's what I'm doing: waiting till an upgrade period and if there's any whispers of a phone after the N1, I'll just wait for it and get that.
I have been lurking awile and I wanted to give opinion on the hd2 because I was in the same sitiaution when the hd2 came out. I was following the hd2 since october. And I was e excited about it. I was at the store early got it and I returned it the next day. I have been using a G1 since it came and then played around with a jailbroken and unlocked iphone and the hd2 was terrible. The. Phone itself is gorgeous but once you get over the bells and whistles its not user friendly and it locked up on me 5 times the period I had it.. I am just sticking to my G1 until somethin better comes out I cam say I prefer my rooted eclair G1 over the hd2 and the only other phone I would replace my g with now would an N1 but I don't want to pay the hefty price tag. I know you can flash the hd2 and all that but I don't like the idea of flashing a phone just to get it to work but rather flash, root, jailbreak to make it better. My G1 works fine out the box but its totally different. Beast when you root it.. aside from the freezing issues with the hd2, its just not. User friendly and the phone quality is terrible imo. You can get one for yourself but I would stick with my trusty g1..
htc evo 4g answers all your prayers my friend
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Android was ported but not to the American Version. It probably won't be a long wait though.
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Oh, for real... If so then maybe i'll consider it.
Shrivel said:
Greatest hardware in the world is still crap if it's crippled with WM 6.5.
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I KNOW!!! It aggrivates me to see such a great phone with crap for an operating system.
lbcoder said:
Why not just get a GN1? Its a better phone and has the benefit of coming with android 2.1 and not giving a single penny over to evilMS.
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I was considering that but then I guess i'll have t save up some extra cash.
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Ditto. I've never liked Windows Mobile. Symbian was way better than it, and I have to say, Android has blew symbian out of the water now. But didn't xda port android to it? Meh, I've never been a fan of ports, either. Here's what I'm doing: waiting till an upgrade period and if there's any whispers of a phone after the N1, I'll just wait for it and get that.
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Yeah, I think i'll wait it out aswell untill something in the stores for t-mobile comes.... Im hoping for an GSM version of the HTC Evo
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htc evo 4g answers all your prayers my friend
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Yes!!!! It does but it is not for GSM carriers...
j0hnee said:
I have been lurking awile and I wanted to give opinion on the hd2 because I was in the same sitiaution when the hd2 came out. I was following the hd2 since october. And I was e excited about it. I was at the store early got it and I returned it the next day. I have been using a G1 since it came and then played around with a jailbroken and unlocked iphone and the hd2 was terrible. The. Phone itself is gorgeous but once you get over the bells and whistles its not user friendly and it locked up on me 5 times the period I had it.. I am just sticking to my G1 until somethin better comes out I cam say I prefer my rooted eclair G1 over the hd2 and the only other phone I would replace my g with now would an N1 but I don't want to pay the hefty price tag. I know you can flash the hd2 and all that but I don't like the idea of flashing a phone just to get it to work but rather flash, root, jailbreak to make it better. My G1 works fine out the box but its totally different. Beast when you root it.. aside from the freezing issues with the hd2, its just not. User friendly and the phone quality is terrible imo. You can get one for yourself but I would stick with my trusty g1..
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Yeah, the G1 never let me down or crashed onme once and i've always installed random apps I don't need or use for one day. But... whe I rooted my G1... I WAS ALL OVER IT!
Windows Mobile is a complete let down then... I would never switch to it.
There was an article on Wired that interview the guy from XDA that flashed an Android ROM on a WM phone. Pretty interesting except he is in the UK so I would be hesitant to try it just yet
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There was an article on Wired that interview the guy from XDA that flashed an Android ROM on a WM phone. Pretty interesting except he is in the UK so I would be hesitant to try it just yet
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Hmmm.. I'll have to pay attention to that.
Do you have the link?
I had a G1 and now have a HD2. I love the hardware and the winmo is just okay. My phone works great and the screen is awesome.
I do miss my G1. Everyone who likes winmo says it is great for business users. I am just an average user and miss my android apps. I played euchre on my G1 and the only euchre game I can find for winmo is $12.99. Not near as many apps and not many free apps.
I am patiently waiting for android to be ported to the HD2. There are no working ports of android on the HD2 so far. As is says in the previous post they have android ported to a winmo phone. But if you read the thread on XDA, the android port for the HD2 is really not even close.
Don't know about everyone else, but I bought the G1 at launch (10-24-08) and my contract won't be up until November.
I'm hoping for some good Win 7 phones by that time, with a physical keyboard.
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Don't know about everyone else, but I bought the G1 at launch (10-24-08) and my contract won't be up until November.
I'm hoping for some good Win 7 phones by that time, with a physical keyboard.
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i have to say.... im waiting for ANY good phone with a keyboard. companies seem to be stuck on touchscreen as most people like it because it's "sooo cool." cool as it is, it's a pain in the end. my main issue is the lag of the keyboard... it can't keep up with me! at least physical seems to NEVER lag unless the actual phone itself is encountering a laggy moment.
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I am patiently waiting for android to be ported to the HD2. There are no working ports of android on the HD2 so far. As is says in the previous post they have android ported to a winmo phone. But if you read the thread on XDA, the android port for the HD2 is really not even close.
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if you read my post i said i thought they did. i don't keep up with hd2 as i don't have one. i thought i saw it on the portal one day, though.
Captivate is too expensive. Is the Aria a faster device than the Tilt2? Is Windows Mobile 6.5 in it's twilight and is it time to move to Android? I'm just concerned with the Aria's small size.
Just going to put my two cents in . I came from an iphone that presented me problems for the 7 months I had it. I tried the Tilt2 first since I originally came from an old Moto Q, and missed WinMo. My best advice is not to waste your time. Yes the screen is a little bigger, but the phone in general is big, and somewhat bulky in my opinion. I have no doubt that with a lot of tweaking it could have benn and could be a good device, I just think going with an Android device is the way to go. I was somewhat leary about the size of the Aria since I was used to the Iphone now, but let me tell you that you really don't notice it. The Aria uses its real estate to its fullest. I have very big hands, and have no problem at all. All touch screen phones will have missed taps every now and then.
So in my opinion I would definitely use my upgrade for an Aria. You won;t be disappointed.
Strongly agree. Aria will not disappoint. Tilt2 may sorely disappoint.
With android you can keep your customization and freedom to mess around with things and still retain the sleek speedy friendly GUI necessary for a wonderful phone/mobile device experience.
You will like the Aria
coming from the Tilt2 i can say it WILL sorely disappoint. Winmo is such a buggy and laggy OS. even slapping a custom ROM to won't make up for it. trust me..i went through 3 different ROMs, although great, none of them helped with the buggy issue. many of times i wanted to chuck my Tilt 2 out the window. the lastest HTC update for it caused the SMS app to be incredibly buggy and laggy.
go with the Aria..you won't be disappointed.
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coming from the Tilt2 i can say it WILL sorely disappoint. Winmo is such a buggy and laggy OS. even slapping a custom ROM to won't make up for it. trust me..i went through 3 different ROMs, although great, none of them helped with the buggy issue. many of times i wanted to chuck my Tilt 2 out the window. the lastest HTC update for it caused the SMS app to be incredibly buggy and laggy.
go with the Aria..you won't be disappointed.
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I agree with this sentiment. My younger brother got a Tilt2 and I installed custom ROMs on it. Although it made it slightly better, it still pretty much sucked.
Only thing you might miss out on is the hw kb. Once you install Swype you won't miss it too much though really. I came from an HTC Touch Pro.
Get the Aria!
Droid Does.
Don't waste your time with a windows mobile phone that will be outdated in a few months. That phone is a good phone but the cost of it on ATT vs t-mobile, sprint and Verizon is ridiculous. Also no 3.5 headphone jack so you will have to use that dumb but expensive to replace break out box on ATT version. Not to mention if your call log an saved texts messages get too long the phone will slow down until you clear them out. Then theres the stylus issue where you cannot dig into the menu more than 4 screens without whipping out the stylus. Again great hardware on Verizon and sprint but horrible software.
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Don't waste your time with a windows mobile phone that will be outdated in a few months. That phone is a good phone but the cost of it on ATT vs t-mobile, sprint and Verizon is ridiculous. Also no 3.5 headphone jack so you will have to use that dumb but expensive to replace break out box on ATT version. Not to mention if your call log an saved texts messages get too long the phone will slow down until you clear them out. Then theres the stylus issue where you cannot dig into the menu more than 4 screens without whipping out the stylus. Again great hardware on Verizon and sprint but horrible software.
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o yeah! the touchscreen is a scratch magnet and it's sensitivity...even if you hack it to it's highest in the registry..is still ****ty compared to the quick responsiveness of Aria's. and having to use a stylus for some of the windows onscreen buttons and menu options..RIDICULOUS.
trust us..you'll save yourself a headache and a half.
and just like ALL microsoft/windows products..it slugs down to a crawl after a week of use.
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Captivate is too expensive. Is the Aria a faster device than the Tilt2? Is Windows Mobile 6.5 in it's twilight and is it time to move to Android? I'm just concerned with the Aria's small size.
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Upgrade to the Aria as you see from my signature b4 I got my Aria I had a tilt 2 and trust me the Aria is 100x better
Blackbery Curve 8330>Blackberry Pearl Flip>HTC FUZE>HTC Tilt 2>HTC Aria
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coming from the Tilt2 i can say it WILL sorely disappoin........many of times i wanted to chuck my Tilt 2 out the window........go with the Aria..you won't be disappointed.
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Lmao threw mine out my second story window there minute I got my Aria Lol
Blackbery Curve 8330>Blackberry Pearl Flip>HTC FUZE>HTC Tilt 2>HTC Aria
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Blackbery Curve 8330>Blackberry Pearl Flip>HTC FUZE>HTC Tilt 2>HTC Aria
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Your sig makes it look like the 8330 is greater than all other phones.
Yeah man the aria owns the tilt 2. I have a tilt 2 and even with all the roms I have run it just blows. heck my fuze was better, and that is saying something.
The aria out of the box is super fast,responsive and easy to use. I am not an aria fanboy, I dont think its the best phone around. I would look at the samsung captivate or the aria if I were you.
use it on the aria. using it on the tilt would be a poor choice.
Well im not happy..but wife moved us to verizon ( work ) hate to leave sprint.. and my hero.. but no choice in the matter atm.. Wife rules...lol
Will stick around though.. The hero section is what made me stick around.. you guys rule.. Plus still have 2 hero's laying around to tinker with.. Or sale etc.lol
Anyway.. guess its on to the darkside ( verizon ) wish me luck.lol At least its not att and iphone's right!!
we will be moving to them as well this winter. what kind of phones did you get? i think you can put your hero on verizon as well so you know.
Verizon has some awesome phones.. IMO the Incredible is still one of the best balanced in terms of performance and form factor
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Verizon has some awesome phones.. IMO the Incredible is still one of the best balanced in terms of performance and form factor
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if i was with verizon id get the droid2. the incredible is a smaller sized phone.
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Verizon has some awesome phones.. IMO the Incredible is still one of the best balanced in terms of performance and form factor
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Agreed, I'd love an incredible
Wife got 2 incredible's for a penny each.. They will arrive wed.. etc..
Really I can't wait.. cause like everyone has said its the perfect balance of size and performance...Lol few co-workers have EVO's And they are always asking me how to do this and that.. Got to admit the EVO is nice.. but still a tad too big for my taste.. 3.6 to 4 inch would be my max on screen size..
And fixxxer I dont care for moto. never have.. and never will. lol same with samsung.
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Wife got 2 incredible's for a penny each.. They will arrive wed.. etc..
Really I can't wait.. cause like everyone has said its the perfect balance of size and performance...Lol few co-workers have EVO's And they are always asking me how to do this and that.. Got to admit the EVO is nice.. but still a tad too big for my taste.. 3.6 to 4 inch would be my max on screen size..
And fixxxer I dont care for moto. never have.. and never will. lol same with samsung.
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Wow, nice, I'd love to have an Incredible, and I agree, I only like HTC Android phones
HTC is by far the best because of their overall build quality and support. Samsung and Motorola are both mixed in terms of which devices they support, and the pace at which they release updates. Some devices like the Behold II and almost all lower end Motorola phones get the shaft and hardly get any updates. Half of them are still at 1.5 or 1.6... but only the high end ones like Droid, Droid X, and Droid 2 (basically all Verizon ones) get satisfactory updates. I think Samsung is similar. HTC is much more consistent.
I don't think you'll miss the Hero at all, except for maybe the hardware buttons instead of capacitive buttons. But I tried out my friend's Incredible, and man was it smooth.. and it was the stock ROM
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HTC is by far the best because of their overall build quality and support. Samsung and Motorola are both mixed in terms of which devices they support, and the pace at which they release updates. Some devices like the Behold II and almost all lower end Motorola phones get the shaft and hardly get any updates. Half of them are still at 1.5 or 1.6... but only the high end ones like Droid, Droid X, and Droid 2 (basically all Verizon ones) get satisfactory updates. I think Samsung is similar. HTC is much more consistent.
I don't think you'll miss the Hero at all, except for maybe the hardware buttons instead of capacitive buttons. But I tried out my friend's Incredible, and man was it smooth.. and it was the stock ROM
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+1, to that, HTC has great phones and support
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+1, to that, HTC has great phones and support
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the droid is a damn nice phone.
fixxxer2008 said:
the droid is a damn nice phone.
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Yeah, but I don’t like Motorola, or physical keyboards
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the droid is a damn nice phone.
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That is highly debatable with today's selection like the G2 and even the MyTouch Slide. Both keyboards are superior to the Droid's IMO.
Lol everyone has favorites. but myself really don't have too much time to invest in finding the perfect phone. Im sure the moto is nice. same for the epic's etc.. Hell even the iphone is nice to a degree.. The hero is just a phone.. but with it came this nice section on xda which to me made having and using it a joy.lol I always visit diff sections looking for themes and such.. But the hero section seems to have matured unlike other sections..
I almost feel like depressed. lol been with sprint since 97.. feels like a divorce..
I think the INC will be a nice phone.. once I strap my seidio 3500 mAh batt on it..
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Lol everyone has favorites. but myself really don't have too much time to invest in finding the perfect phone. Im sure the moto is nice. same for the epic's etc.. Hell even the iphone is nice to a degree.. The hero is just a phone.. but with it came this nice section on xda which to me made having and using it a joy.lol I always visit diff sections looking for themes and such.. But the hero section seems to have matured unlike other sections..
I almost feel like depressed. lol been with sprint since 97.. feels like a divorce..
I think the INC will be a nice phone.. once I strap my seidio 3500 mAh batt on it..
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I'm sure it will be well enjoy man!
Sent from my hero running froyo... take that Sprint!
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Lol everyone has favorites. but myself really don't have too much time to invest in finding the perfect phone. Im sure the moto is nice. same for the epic's etc.. Hell even the iphone is nice to a degree.. The hero is just a phone.. but with it came this nice section on xda which to me made having and using it a joy.lol I always visit diff sections looking for themes and such.. But the hero section seems to have matured unlike other sections..
I almost feel like depressed. lol been with sprint since 97.. feels like a divorce..
I think the INC will be a nice phone.. once I strap my seidio 3500 mAh batt on it..
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enjoy your new phone. hopefully when i move to verizon there will be a new webos device or a high end android phone.
I think the INC is pretty highend.. screen size aside... lol I mean its not a monster like the evo etc.. but spec wise should be alot better than the hero ive been running all year..
I mean outside of the few games.. wth would I need a dual core chip and a giant screens etc. for right now anyway? To open my email faster and see more of it,lol
Just joking of course.. but really the INC should keep me happy for awhile.. til i get bored...etc..
my friend just tried to argue with me saying palmOS is better than androidOS
wow....
hahahhaha
Palm was the best of the smartphone/pda battle in the beginning but not for a long time. Their attemped revival a couple years ago was and is an utter failure. Have to give them credit for the beginning though. Good ole Palm pilot, lol...
Tell him, he's been living under the rock for too long.
I have a friend who WAS a Palm sale rep. and bragged all day about his Palm Pre until Palm was sold to HP. He shut up ever since. Lol
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Tell him, he's been living under the rock for too long.
I have a friend who WAS a Palm sale rep. and bragged all day about his Palm Pre until Palm was sold to HP. He shut up ever since. Lol
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Ha! I fogot about that... didn't even notice or give it much thought at the time.
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my friend just tried to argue with me saying palmOS is better than androidOS
wow....
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He's not alone. Palm's webOS software is actually excellent, it's the hardware that sucks. I've talked a lot of people that still like webOS better than Android, and they're just as big a Android nerd as I am.
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my friend just tried to argue with me saying palmOS is better than androidOS
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Yeah and my neighbor's Kia Rio is better than my Mazda 3 Hatch
tee hee heee.. PALM
palm is FAIL on so many levels
That reminds me of this video.
I used to be way into Palm, I had a Treo 650 and 680 and loved them... Because There was no android haha.
My dad has a Palm Pre and he's on his 3rd one because they constantly die on him, that thing is such a POS. I'm workin on getting him into android, and his next phone will definitely be android.
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Lol!
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coolstorybro
anybody care for a HOTSYNC?
Actually, the webos isnt all that bad..I used a palm pre shortly while trying out Sprint and it was rather nice. The phone itself...not so much, but the OS I found intriguing. Not as good as Android in its current state...but with a big push it could be if its not to late now.
Never had any Palm phones but briefly had a Blackberry, which is what hooked me into smart phones. Followed that up with the G1 and have yet to consider getting a non Android phone since. Android is just too snazzy. It's got everything useful and practical while being disguised as an extremely bright and shiny toy. I guess it is a bright and shiny toy but practical too!
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Yeah and my neighbor's Kia Rio is better than my Mazda 3 Hatch
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hahhahahahhahahahaa!
my friends closing statement
"the battery life sucks, its too complicated, and the droids are too big(because hes on verizon)"
my closing statement,
"maybe you should try to be smarterthan your phone for once and ditch your gay ass palmpre, hipster"
I had the palm pre for quite a while and was quite happy with it. User experience is way better than android.
the good:
-Multiple exchange accounts
-to search you just start typing.
-Synergy was very nice also.
- great form factor
- no "save" button, everything autosaves
- multitasking is real visible multitasking
- no rooting needed
- some comunity patches where incorporated in new webos versions
the bad
- poor bluetooth support
- poor application support
- no decent gps software
- webos release cycle at start was great, but slabbed the last few months
Hardware was not super, but ok. I had the oreo effect but not realy bad.
Once you oc'ed the cpu from 500mhz to 800mhz it ran realy smooth.
The gestures are a super invention.
If i didn't **** up my palm, i would still use him dispite the faults.
Mix the the two together and you would get a super product.
user community, dev, applications from android
user interface and gestures from palm.
just my 2 cents
Never tried palm but I like android and this is my 2nd one.
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You guys think someone can get this done, i mean if its getting done the other way around i don't see why not, right? I know i saw the windows 7 thread already but personally I don't think its gonna happen :/...I would love to have my Evo dual booting Web OS and Gingerbread
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That's one Operating System I would love to see ported. WebOs on a EVO/Thunderbolt/Sensation style device would be fantastic. The original Pre should have been at least 3.5", and Pre 3 upgraded to 4" or 4.3". What's funny is that original, it was suppose to be 3.5", but they didn't want to be another iphone clone. That stupid decision and bad hardware doomed it from the start.
Sent from the EVO 3D with Sprint.
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That's one Operating System I would love to see ported. WebOs on a EVO/Thunderbolt/Sensation style device would be fantastic. The original Pre should have been at least 3.5", and Pre 3 upgraded to 4" or 4.3". What's funny is that original, it was suppose to be 3.5", but they didn't want to be another iphone clone. That stupid decision and bad hardware doomed it from the start.
Sent from the EVO 3D with Sprint.
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exactly man, I owned a Palm Pre before my HTC Hero and HTC Evo and let me tell you, I LOVED IT...The multitasking was flawless and the system overall was great. It's sad that it wasn't marketed better and didn't come with top of the line hardware...another thing i have to add is that i have pretty big fingers and I actually enjoyed the keyboard, although they appear small, I made very few mistakes and it was very accurate
I heard about that port. They said it literally has no functions what so ever but for proof of concept he's a winner. The source also mentioned that it will probably never function but at least he got it to boot; that's pretty damn sick if you ask me.
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I heard about that port. They said it literally has no functions what so ever but for proof of concept he's a winner. The source also mentioned that it will probably never function but at least he got it to boot; that's pretty damn sick if you ask me.
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mhm, i give him kudos for doing it
I agree - think it would be great to have this option.
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That's one Operating System I would love to see ported. WebOs on a EVO/Thunderbolt/Sensation style device would be fantastic. The original Pre should have been at least 3.5", and Pre 3 upgraded to 4" or 4.3". What's funny is that original, it was suppose to be 3.5", but they didn't want to be another iphone clone. That stupid decision and bad hardware doomed it from the start.
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Not at all, people didn't mind the smaller screen on the Pre and as for the hardware, that same hardware was and still is easily faster than what the Iphone was offering at the time. If anything, the hardware in the Pre was ahead of it's time, first to use the TI omop Arm cortex a8 while the iphone and iphone 3g both used an arm 11 cpu underclocked to around 442mhz or so. What really doomed the Pre and Palm in general, is no real marketing for the Pre.