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I unboxed my X10 today, and found that besides the relatively more obvious protective film I taken off once I opened the box, there is a EXTRA, very well positioned film on the top of the glass. If you look closely enough, you will see the edge of the extra film from the actual glass underneath. Does anyone else notice the same or is it just me? Is that really just one more layer of protective film or it is part of the material of the glass?
Yes, it comes with one pre-applied screen protector and one inside the box!
Out of interest what sized microSD card was included? Mine came with 16GB (Nordic version).
If I understood it right from the webpage I ordered mine from. does mine come with 8 GB
So how to take it off?
It's driving me insane....and why does a SCRATCH-RESSISTANT screen need a pre-applied screen protector???
So has anyone tried to remove the pre applied fim? I'm so against to use any kind of film on my touch screen device.
ivansee said:
So has anyone tried to remove the pre applied fim? I'm so against to use any kind of film on my touch screen device.
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I hate it too...so i just removed it
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I actually got 2 ADDITIONAL screen protectors :-/ and mine came with 8gb card so ordering a 16gb one online
The "pre applied protector" is the one SE calls scratch resistant, I think. "Shutter proof sheet on mineral glass".
Take a look at the X10 white paper: developer.sonyericsson.com/getDocument.do?docId=102192
brodos123 said:
The "pre applied protector" is the one SE calls scratch resistant, I think. "Shutter proof sheet on mineral glass".
Take a look at the X10 white paper: developer.sonyericsson.com/getDocument.do?docId=102192
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As far as i know mineral glass is in itself "scratch proof". But that doesn't mean it can't be scratched of course. It means minor pocket scratches are avoided.
"Mineral glass is ordinary tempered glass made from silica. It is more scratch resistant than Plexiglass which is a plastic also used for watch crystals."
So if infact it is mineral glass there is no need for an extra layer of protection.
I'm not quite sure what "shutter proof sheet" is but seems strange that this screen should need one when other mineral glass screens do not.
Also should point out that for me it seems identical to the included "screen protector" in both size, thickness and consistency.
I'll report back if scratches start appearing on my screen. I'll give it 7 days of normal use(as i used my iPhone, Hero, LG Arena) to see if any scratches start appearing, but I doubt they will.
I didn't receive my X10 yet, but isn't the 'protective' film used to make the screen more fingerprint resistive?
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I didn't receive my X10 yet, but isn't the 'protective' film used to make the screen more fingerprint resistive?
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No, infact there were more fingerprints with the film applied vs when i removed it. You need a special coating on the screen for that(oleophobic coating) and with that you can wipe the screen clean very easily.
As far as i know the X10 has not have it's screen treated with oleophobic coating.
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As far as i know mineral glass is in itself "scratch proof". But that doesn't mean it can't be scratched of course. It means minor pocket scratches are avoided.
"Mineral glass is ordinary tempered glass made from silica. It is more scratch resistant than Plexiglass which is a plastic also used for watch crystals."
So if infact it is mineral glass there is no need for an extra layer of protection.
I'm not quite sure what "shutter proof sheet" is but seems strange that this screen should need one when other mineral glass screens do not.
Also should point out that for me it seems identical to the included "screen protector" in both size, thickness and consistency.
I'll report back if scratches start appearing on my screen. I'll give it 7 days of normal use(as i used my iPhone, Hero, LG Arena) to see if any scratches start appearing, but I doubt they will.
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According to the white pages:
"Scratch-resistant Yes. Shutter proof sheet on mineral glass"
The way I see it the "sheet" makes it scratch resistant.
If you ever had a watch (clock) with mineral glass, you know that it scratches easily. for a scratch resistant glass you need a saphire glass!
Both iphone and nexus one probarbly have mineral glass, but the thing making those so resistant (see youtube) is some kind of coating on the glass. (I think)
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According to the white pages:
"Scratch-resistant Yes. Shutter proof sheet on mineral glass"
The way I see it the "sheet" makes it scratch resistant.
If you ever had a watch (clock) with mineral glass, you know that it scratches easily. for a scratch resistant glass you need a saphire glass!
Both iphone and nexus one probarbly have mineral glass, but the thing making those so resistant (see youtube) is some kind of coating on the glass. (I think)
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There is nothing in the white papers suggesting that either the nexus one, iPhone nor my old Hero had any other coating than the oleophobic coating for easy fingerprint removal.
Here is a good explanation of mineral glass vs. sapphire glass:
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1870141
And yes Sapphire glass is the best but cost too much for ordinary phones. mineral glass will protect the phone against most pocket scratches. But the real test will be the next 7 days, today there is no apparent scratching of the phone(no micro-scratches either).
Also of note is that the screen seems much more responsive after the removal of their so called "shutter proof sheet".
What we really need is an reviewer that doesn't give a damn about his test-unit to give it a go...with and without the sheet!
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No, infact there were more fingerprints with the film applied vs when i removed it. You need a special coating on the screen for that(oleophobic coating) and with that you can wipe the screen clean very easily.
As far as i know the X10 has not have it's screen treated with oleophobic coating.
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Thanks for the two nice photos, Trekster! Do you find touch sensitivity has improved after you removed the sheet? I've been using the X10 for 1.5 days so far, and I still feel like sensitivity is not as good as iPhone (even worse than Nexus One)
ivansee said:
Thanks for the two nice photos, Trekster! Do you find touch sensitivity has improved after you removed the sheet? I've been using the X10 for 1.5 days so far, and I still feel like sensitivity is not as good as iPhone (even worse than Nexus One)
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Yes the sensitivity has been improved quite a bit. I would say it's on par with the other touchscreen phones now.
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So how to take it off?
It's driving me insane....and why does a SCRATCH-RESSISTANT screen need a pre-applied screen protector???
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The watchword here is scratch-resistant.
A glass screen will always be more scratch resistant than a plastic screen, but that doesn't mean that it can't be scratched at all. The screen-protector is just a way of helping extend the life of the screen face and I personally thank SE for providing it. Take spectacles for example. Glass lenses are harder wearing, but cost more and weigh more. Plastic lenses are lighter and cost less, but are more prone to scratches. You can still scratch glass lenses by putting them down glass first.
The difference between mineral glass and sapphire glass is interesting. My watch has a sapphire glass face and it has *ONE* scratch after 3 years of being worn everyday. That scratch came from a HARD direct impact (which hurt my wrist). The face is otherwise flawless.
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The watchword here is scratch-resistant.
A glass screen will always be more scratch resistant than a plastic screen, but that doesn't mean that it can't be scratched at all. The screen-protector is just a way of helping extend the life of the screen face and I personally thank SE for providing it. Take spectacles for example. Glass lenses are harder wearing, but cost more and weigh more. Plastic lenses are lighter and cost less, but are more prone to scratches. You can still scratch glass lenses by putting them down glass first.
The difference between mineral glass and sapphire glass is interesting. My watch has a sapphire glass face and it has *ONE* scratch after 3 years of being worn everyday. That scratch came from a HARD direct impact (which hurt my wrist). The face is otherwise flawless.
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Yes if you read my posts further along I do point out that the screen isn't scratch-proof
I do question the decision and still do as my HTC Hero(which I bought back in August 09) has ZERO scratches And they are both supposed to be based on the same mineral-glass technology.
Im testing
Well, I've removed the screen protector and I think it is much better.
It seems so much smoother, and the screen is definitely more responsive.
I will post again in a couple of weekend to keep you all up-to-date.
soo... u guys can confirm the touchscreen is way better without the foil on? ( more sensetive aaand more accurate???)
coz i am thinking of swappin mine 2 the Desire.. but cant test it takin of the protector.. otherwise they wont return it...
I have had my problems with the X10, but the screen and its sensitivity is not one of them.. Without the exception of the edges...
I can almost never type "a".
I added the second protection as well, and love how the screen works / flows...
(with the exception of the left edge )
I haven't seen any mention of this but as the Droid & Dell Mini 5 Streak have it, any confirmation yeah or nay on it for the EVO?
-Go check out the Dell Streak's Gorilla Glass screen: torture tested for your amusement (video) at Engadget if you haven't seen it..I'll link as soon as I'm allowed as a new user here
don't think Evo has gorilla glass
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Too afraid to try stabbing mine with a pen to see!
Too bad Gorilla glass looks awesome, I'd love the EVO to have it..
Was thinking of trying the "Ultimate Screen Guard - Anti Glare" at seidioonline.com-not that it would compare to gorilla glass, Seido products any good?
Kinda cool, i think all phones with a screen bigger then 4inchs should have some type of new screens
heres the link for those that havent seen it Dell Streaks Gorilla Glass Test: By Engadget
That would be pretty awesome on the Evo. Even if it cost an additional $100 (I'm hoping it'd be that cheap) I'd even be willing to have it done aftermarket if that were possible. Kinda like how colorware offers their service
I asked about this in the Q & A forum a while back. It seems that none of the HTC phones are equipped with Corning Gorilla Glass. I still would like to know if the glass that is installed on the EVO has an oleo-phobic coating. That question I just can't find an answer for. HTC is capable of this as the Hero has the coating. The coating made cleaning the screen on my iPhone 3GS soooo easy!
I have the Hero..
I am not sure if it has the Gorilla glass, but it is damn tough!
I have see test on youtube that show it's resistant to scratches. I have tested it out with keys.
Here is a vid with HD2. I say if not gorilla glass, it has something that is the same!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcEaehKWr2s&feature=related
now.. that said.. it is made of Glass and Glass in of itself, is a high scratch resistant material. what i wonder, how does it do against SHATTERING? I have dropped my hero a few times on hard surfaces and it does not show any evidence.
The gorilla glass is great, however, I still managed to somehow get a tiny scratch on my Droid's screen - and I'm anally careful with my phones. If the EVO doesn't have the gorilla glass, I may have to put on a screen protector, which I generally dislike.
I had my iPhone 3GS for almost a year and never had a screen protector or any scratches. Glass is hard to scratch. It has to be something harder than glass to scratch...like diamond. Glass is a "7" on the Mohs scale...diamond is a "10". Quartz, Topaz and something called Corundum are 7, 8 and 9. So, the odds of scratching glass are pretty slim unless you accidently hit it with a ring.
Sand will also screw your phone to hell and back, my friend took his iPhone to a bonfire we went to this week, I didn't touch my Hero all night but he was mingling with his iPhone a lot. He took out his phone the next day to see a bunch of minute scratches everywhere, whereas mine had nothing. Needless to say he was pissed. haha
Yeah, I can see sand scratching glass. Sand is used in making glass. My phone will never be in the sand, but I can see that.
Yeah shattering is the bigger functional concern, also on the 3GS I put the Power Support Anti-Glare to make the screen viewable in sunlight, easier to use with sweaty fingers & minimize fingerprints, so far it's been well worth the expense & for the EVO was considering http://www.seidioonline.com/product-p/spm2hev4.htm, can someone vouch for it or recommend something comparable?
How does a screen protector prevent shattering?
chazglenn3 said:
How does a screen protector prevent shattering?
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Maybe it has some sort of Flubber like qualities? That's the only way I could see that happening, and that doesn't even exist yet.
nyijedi said:
The gorilla glass is great, however, I still managed to somehow get a tiny scratch on my Droid's screen - and I'm anally careful with my phones. If the EVO doesn't have the gorilla glass, I may have to put on a screen protector, which I generally dislike.
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Did the same thing to my Zune HD, so now i'm just waiting for martin fields to make a screen protector for the evo. I've used them on a razr v3, TP1 and TP2, looks and feels just like the stock screens.
The good screen protectors - the ones you install with a liquid - are very rubbery. However, this isn't going to have an effect on shattering, which I agree is the bigger risk than scratching.
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Kinda cool, i think all phones with a screen bigger then 4inchs should have some type of new screens
heres the link for those that havent seen it Dell Streaks Gorilla Glass Test: By Engadget
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Aw damn. I was hoping they were going to take that pen to the Nexus One lying there to show a comparison of what happens when you don't have Gorilla Glass.
SMARTPHONEPC said:
Too bad Gorilla glass looks awesome, I'd love the EVO to have it..
Was thinking of trying the "Ultimate Screen Guard - Anti Glare" at seidioonline.com-not that it would compare to gorilla glass, Seido products any good?
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-PG1
Didn't say it would provide significant shatter protection like Gorilla glass but my question remains about the anti-glare screen protector for EVO?
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Yeah shattering is the bigger functional concern, also on the 3GS I put the Power Support Anti-Glare to make the screen viewable in sunlight, easier to use with sweaty fingers & minimize fingerprints, so far it's been well worth the expense & for the EVO was considering http://www.seidioonline.com/product-p/spm2hev4.htm, can someone vouch for it or recommend something comparable?
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I don't know if the screen on the HTC Hero is the same as the one on the Evo but I've had that thing without any protectors and no scratches. I had a Droid for 30 days (Google IO gift), and that thing already has a scratch. I've been extra careful with that thing knowing that I'm going to sell it and it still got a scratch on it. From the looks of that youtube video, I hope the Evo is the same cause I don't like using screen protectors.
Please hold back your remarks about screen protectors this was a replacement, only the second day I had it, didnt have a chance to purchase one.
Joeriginal said:
Please hold back your remarks about screen protectors this was a replacement, only the second day I had it, didnt have a chance to purchase one.
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Think you could post a pic of the damage? if it's not too deep, i've heard of people using this product called applesauce that is supposed to give really good results. Maybe try that out and see how it works. Good luck to you, hope you get the scuffs out
You could try rubbing compound which is used on watches and things.
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You could try rubbing compound which is used on watches and things.
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Yeah, just thought of this after I read this post but you can also try the stuff that is used to fill in cracks for car windshields.
light scuffs
I've heard that white toothpaste can be used on light scuffs on plastic.
or perhaps Brasso polish?
The screen on the evo is made of gorilla glass, not plastic. Therefore acid based compounds such as applesauce or lcd scuff removers on the market would not work. The famous banana slice/peel trick doesn't work here either. Some compounds for watches only clean the surface of the glass and remove dirt from within the scratches, making the scratch less visible.
Your best bet is to clean the glass to remove all dirt then install a screen protector like invisibleshield to mask the scratches. This will work better since a liquid solution (usually 1 part soap and 9 parts water) is applied to the screen so you can squeegee out all the air during installation. The only downside to this is the texture feels like apple skin and screen clarity is affected...maybe 15-20%.
myenhdl said:
The screen on the evo is made of gorilla glass
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No, it's not. Just regular glass.
myenhdl said:
The screen on the evo is made of gorilla glass, not plastic. Therefore acid based compounds such as applesauce or lcd scuff removers on the market would not work. The famous banana slice/peel trick doesn't work here either. Some compounds for watches only clean the surface of the glass and remove dirt from within the scratches, making the scratch less visible.
Your best bet is to clean the glass to remove all dirt then install a screen protector like invisibleshield to mask the scratches. This will work better since a liquid solution (usually 1 part soap and 9 parts water) is applied to the screen so you can squeegee out all the air during installation. The only downside to this is the texture feels like apple skin and screen clarity is affected...maybe 15-20%.
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Not sure if it's made of Gorilla glass-- not saying that it scratches easily (because it probably doesn't), but I found I had a two very,very slight surface scratches on the screen after babying it for a month (always put it in an empty pocket with no keys/coins/etc, never set it face down, etc).
In any case, I wouldn't try using toothpaste, brasso, or any other solution on the screen except for an eyeglass/electronic screen cleaner as you'll probably end up creating more noticable scratches. Just clean the screen as well as you can, and throw on a screen protector, and you'll probably never notice the scratch-- most very small scratches are only noticable when viewing the screen at a very oblique angle to catch a reflected light source, and the screen protector blocks this.
Also, I wouldn't recommend the ZAGG. I had never used a ZAGG screen protector before, but have heard great things about them, and I'm not particularly picky or sensitive about screen protectors. However, I found the Zagg protector had a horrible rubbery feel to it, and gave the screen a really bad and noticable orange peel effect (actually, the effect seemed more like the screen was behind a 1/4" layer of ice). I put on a cheapo $1.99 screen protector from Gizmo Dorks (on Amazon.com), and the difference was like night and day-- the screen was just as smooth and clear as the original glass.
I have a few too... Leave it be and after a couple weeks you'll forget you even have them.
Can we buy the glass yet for this phone? I replace iPhone 3G and 3GS glass on an almost daily basis at work.
You don't have insurance on it???
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You don't have insurance on it???
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He might... but I'm not sure a $100 deductible + limited further coverage is worth a few small scuffs. I guess it depends on how bad they are, but if they are anything like mine it totally would not be worth it.
You should be more carefull with your EVO.
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Kooper113 said:
No, it's not. Just regular glass.
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No, it is Gorilla glass.
n64kps said:
No, it is Gorilla glass.
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Since the debate is going back n forth about the glass.....what is the difference between the two? Sure i could search but since there's a debate I think it should be explained this thread...
I looked all over and can't find anything confirming it's Gorilla Glass so I assume it's not. Plus I wouldn't find so many people with easily cracked screens if it was...
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http://www.androidcentral.com/evo-4g-screen-scratch-test-isnt-pretty - no scratches
I watched that when I got my EVO back in June but don't have the balls to try it. Some of the pics online of cracked screens still make me wonder and NERVOUS!
community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/android/f/94/t/3672.aspx
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n64kps said:
No, it is Gorilla glass.
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Can you post where you got this proof?
n64kps said:
No, it is Gorilla glass.
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If you are so sure of yourself, why don't you post a video of yourself stabbing the screen with a ball-point pen to prove that it's really Gorilla Glass?
FYI...I don't know if this question (more like debate) was definitively answered...but here it is directly from the gorilla's mouth...
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/featured-products
Um ya... like before epic was even released
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I demonstrated Gorilla Glass to a coworker of mine last week, when I whipped out my keys, attempted to scratch and jab the hell out of my screen while he winced and told me to stop because it was painful to watch.
Side note: I live just an hour or so from Corning, and I've been to the glass museum there. Wouldn't think a museum about glass could be particularly interesting but it's actually worth seeing.
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I demonstrated Gorilla Glass to a coworker of mine last week, when I whipped out my keys, attempted to scratch and jab the hell out of my screen while he winced and told me to stop because it was painful to watch.
Side note: I live just an hour or so from Corning, and I've been to the glass museum there. Wouldn't think a museum about glass could be particularly interesting but it's actually worth seeing.
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O don't care what glass I have I would not be trying to scratch.my.phone with keys.
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I try to scratch my phone every hour.
I have some scratches on my phone already lol
I have scratches too. I have always used screen protectors, love this phone without them, and am still very careful.
However, one day in my purse, got about 3
Do you think this means they would cover the screen under warranty? Definitely did not abuse, so . . .
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I have scratches too. I have always used screen protectors, love this phone without them, and am still very careful.
However, one day in my purse, got about 3
Do you think this means they would cover the screen under warranty? Definitely did not abuse, so . . .
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most likely not a warranty issue. After all, it's not the phone's fault the scratches appeared
/sarcasm
I had someone come into the service dept. once with their nice new honda on the back of a tow truck wanting honda to pay for a new engine. They drove their car into a really deep puddle and ingested some water and siezed it up. They were screaming 'warranty' blah blah... the service manager said as politely as he could "it's not honda's fault your car went into a puddle".. I ran into the bathroom and laughed my ass off.
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O don't care what glass I have I would not be trying to scratch.my.phone with keys.
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Simple science, my friend. Steel, on the hardness scale, ranges between 4 and 5. Our Gorilla Glass is nearly a 7 (typical glass is closer to 6). Unless you go at it with hardened steel (like a high-quality kitchen knife) the glass won't be scratched.
People often wonder why their screens develop small scratches anyhow, and it's usually because of sand in their pockets. Sand tends to contain quartz, which is slightly harder than glass (even Gorilla Glass), and as such, can scratch it.
So while I'll take out my car key and scratch the hell out of my Epic, you wouldn't catch me putting sand on my screen in a million years.
Wikipedia has a pretty good chart of hardnesses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardness_scale
Also, Corning has some documents with plenty of graphs comparing it to standard glass here: http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/literature
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Simple science, my friend. Steel, on the hardness scale, ranges between 4 and 5. Our Gorilla Glass is nearly a 7 (typical glass is closer to 6). Unless you go at it with hardened steel (like a high-quality kitchen knife) the glass won't be scratched.
People often wonder why their screens develop small scratches anyhow, and it's usually because of sand in their pockets. Sand tends to contain quartz, which is slightly harder than glass (even Gorilla Glass), and as such, can scratch it.
So while I'll take out my car key and scratch the hell out of my Epic, you wouldn't catch me putting sand on my screen in a million years.
Wikipedia has a pretty good chart of hardnesses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardness_scale
Also, Corning has some documents with plenty of graphs comparing it to standard glass here: http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/literature
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It's still the best "shock effect" ever seeing the look on the faces of people that have iPhones for sure though HAHAHAHAHA...
"lemme try that with your iPhone ??".. heh..
Electrofreak said:
Simple science, my friend. Steel, on the hardness scale, ranges between 4 and 5. Our Gorilla Glass is nearly a 7 (typical glass is closer to 6). Unless you go at it with hardened steel (like a high-quality kitchen knife) the glass won't be scratched.
People often wonder why their screens develop small scratches anyhow, and it's usually because of sand in their pockets. Sand tends to contain quartz, which is slightly harder than glass (even Gorilla Glass), and as such, can scratch it.
So while I'll take out my car key and scratch the hell out of my Epic, you wouldn't catch me putting sand on my screen in a million years.
Wikipedia has a pretty good chart of hardnesses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardness_scale
Also, Corning has some documents with plenty of graphs comparing it to standard glass here: http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/literature
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would be smarter to use quartz for a screen then lol that way no matter what it cant be scratched
boominz28 said:
would be smarter to use quartz for a screen then lol that way no matter what it cant be scratched
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That should just skip to the end and make our screens out of diamonds
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i would pay for it
Sh0wNuF said:
That should just skip to the end and make our screens out of diamonds
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Augmented superdiamonds bringing the hardness to 10.1, that way no natural substance can scratch our screens! Hahah but nah I have a visibly annoying scratch on my screen and definitely haventbeen near any sand and I don't putmy phone with other things.
there's no point in me being able to resist a canon ball if I can easily get killed by a bullet lol
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Geez can you imagine how much a diamond cut screen would be? it would be interesting to see how it would look
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Geez can you imagine how much a diamond cut screen would be? it would be interesting to see how it would look
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They could just use normal gorilla glass with a 1 micron thick coating of diamond. But yea, would still be expensive as hell, not because of the cost of the diamond but due to the manufacturing process taking forever.
muyoso said:
They could just use normal gorilla glass with a 1 micron thick coating of diamond. But yea, would still be expensive as hell, not because of the cost of the diamond but due to the manufacturing process taking forever.
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Use a Nidoking. Its horns can break diamond. Like clockwork
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The problem with diamond is that it's very brittle. The hardness scale is typically inversely proportional to how brittle it is. I agree that diamond coated something would be virtually scratch proof, but I would think if you knocked it just right, it would shatter.
Going back to keys on the screen. I always laugh when I hear people doing this. I usually ask people how sharp they would have to make their fingernail to scratch glass. It's the same idea. People assume that because something is sharp, it will scratch anything.
Having said that, I would be careful about trying to scratch the screen with keys, not because the keys would scratch it, but there could be something sticking on the keys that could (not likely, but not unheard of).
I have a visible scratch that's about 1 cm long, and it annoys me. I think it was on the night stand, and I slid it off to hit the snooze for my alarm. Later that day, I noticed it, so I must have had some kind of grit on the night stand. Ugh.
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The problem with diamond is that it's very brittle. The hardness scale is typically inversely proportional to how brittle it is. I agree that diamond coated something would be virtually scratch proof, but I would think if you knocked it just right, it would shatter.
Going back to keys on the screen. I always laugh when I hear people doing this. I usually ask people how sharp they would have to make their fingernail to scratch glass. It's the same idea. People assume that because something is sharp, it will scratch anything.
Having said that, I would be careful about trying to scratch the screen with keys, not because the keys would scratch it, but there could be something sticking on the keys that could (not likely, but not unheard of).
I have a visible scratch that's about 1 cm long, and it annoys me. I think it was on the night stand, and I slid it off to hit the snooze for my alarm. Later that day, I noticed it, so I must have had some kind of grit on the night stand. Ugh.
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I thought diamonds were the hardest substance because of the way the molecules interlace? Wouldn't the density of the molecules make it less brittle too? I can understand if there was a lot of space from one to another, but not when its all packed together...
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I thought diamonds were the hardest substance because of the way the molecules interlace? Wouldn't the density of the molecules make it less brittle too? I can understand if there was a lot of space from one to another, but not when its all packed together...
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A diamond is a crystal, and the atoms are in a very rigid structure that has very strong bonds. Because the bonds are strong, it's difficult to separate them, so it is also very hard (i.e. something that has weaker bonds would not be able to break the strong bonds, so the atoms in steel would break apart when rubbed against a diamond and not be able to scratch the diamond). The problem is that these strong bonds make it so it is very inflexible, which in turn makes it very brittle. In this case, the density of a diamond doesn't have anything to do with it.
I heard that the Samsung Focus had corning gorilla glass and hearing this I decided a screen protector wouldn't be needed (gorilla glass is supposed to be scratch resistant isn't it?). I'm the type of person who takes extra steps to protect his gadgets. I always hold my phone with a firm grip, I have a dedicated pocket for it (no keys or coins with it) and I never drop it. Recently I've noticed some scratches appearing on the front screen of my Focus. Most of them aren't very noticeable, but one in particular can be seen plain as day and is infuriating. Like I said, I don't have anything in my pockets, I've never dropped it and I want to know how these scratches appear on "scratch resistant" glass if nothing but my fingers and cloth are touching it.
If the Focus doesn't have the gorilla glass/gorilla glass isn't scratch resistant I will delete this thread in shame of my lack of knowledge
the zune HD has gorilla glass and I have a zune and a focus. I am reasonably sure the focus isnt gorilla glass, taps like plastic and scratches relatively easy. my zune has very little scratches after 8 months of abuse sharing pockets w/ keys; only one day with my focus in my pocket with my wallet i have scratches.
It does really seem like plastic. Or maybe really thin, versatile glass.
I asked Samsung via twitter on November 9th and they confirmed it
"the Focus does have Gorilla Glass. Thanks for reaching out to us, we're happy to help. ^Sab"
Just found this and it says the Samsung Focus does have gorilla glass.
http://www.samsung.com/us/article/get-to-know-the-samsung-focus-with-windows-phone-7
Is it possible I got a bad unit? Or is it possible Samsung is just using the weakest gorilla glass?
EDIT: Dang, same time post
Samsung claims that the Focus has Gorilla Glass, so I guess you can just take their word for it. The Gorilla Glass might be underneath the plastic layer Samsung used. I think the Vibrant and European Galaxy S are the same way.
Here's a link to Samsung's official site Q&A about the Focus and if you scroll down you'll find that they confirmed it has Gorilla Glass. Click here. Also an official SamsungUSA rep on Twitter confirmed Gorilla Glass when he was asked. Click here.
Also, if you want to see a stress test of the Galaxy S' Gorilla Glass, check out this video (not in English but you get the gist of it). Click here.
I bought a silicone case for it and for now I don't have a screen protector but things are going fine for me. The phone probably isn't bulletproof and considering how thin the Gorilla Glass is on the Focus it will do an exceptional job stopping the usual accidents but it won't stop anything more serious. But since you're an 'extra protection' kind of guy you should just get the screen protector and give yourself some peace of mind lol.
OGCF said:
I bought a silicone case for it and for now I don't have a screen protector but things are going fine for me. The phone probably isn't bulletproof and considering how thin the Gorilla Glass is on the Focus it will do an exceptional job stopping the usual accidents but it won't stop anything more serious. But since you're an 'extra protection' kind of guy you should just get the screen protector and give yourself some peace of mind lol.
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Usually I get a case, but I haven't found anything to appealing yet (I like for my phone to look good). Also I try to keep it in the best condition so when I go to resell it I get maximum value
The screen feels identical withmy Captivate...
yes it is gorilla glass... ive put a few in already and can confirm.. plus i called samsung to be double sure...
huh, okey, guess i am wrong.
But my zune seems like its a lot harder. ive babied my focus and I still get scratches easyer
Raptor550 said:
huh, okey, guess i am wrong.
But my zune seems like its a lot harder. ive babied my focus and I still get scratches easyer
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Exactly. I want to know why that is.
glass scratches.. bottom line..
gorilla glass is just harder to scratch and is a tougher glass overall so it can be made thinner than other glass digitizers...
ErikWithNoC said:
Exactly. I want to know why that is.
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They probably have another layer over the Gorilla glass.
The Focus's screen really feels like plastic. It's just not as solid as, say, the iPhone 4 (which is said to use Gorilla glass for the front.) Gorilla glass is supposed to be scratch-proof and you scratched it in a day? Hmm...
I do not have a case or a screen protector on my Focus and don't have a single scratch on the screen and only a few micro scuffs on the plastic battery cover. I am generally careful with my gadgets, but I have carried this phone with me every day since Nov 8th and both of my young children play with it on a regular basis, and still nothing. Thankfully I have not dropped it screen side down on any hard surfaces (knock on wood)!
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Gorilla glass is supposed to be scratch-proof and you scratched it in a day? Hmm...
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It is not scratch proof.. It is much more scratch resistant... No glass is scratchproof
www.corninggorillaglass.com. Its a good read.
I can tell you from personal experience that a Focus screen will not survive a 3 foot fall on its face to concrete. And it is very very much made of glass.
But it seems relatively scratch resistant : )
Have you guys seen the youtube video of a guy testing out the glass screen of the focus? He's literally stabbing the phone with a screwdriver and smacking it with the handle and there was no scratches on the phone afterwards.
kawgirlval69 said:
It is not scratch proof.. It is much more scratch resistant... No glass is scratchproof
www.corninggorillaglass.com. Its a good read.
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It's supposed to be extremely hard to scratch, even with a razor blade. The iPhone is practically invincible when it comes to keys and the like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkXlriABfOo . It's a good watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yNh0N2qbs . This video too is essential for discussions like this. Basically, to scratch the iPhone's glass, you need something that's harder than the glass they used. So diamonds might scratch it. Metal, not so much.
If this guy's Samsung Focus's screen went to hell after one pocket session, methinks the Gorilla glass they used was made in Chinese ghettos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eb17SwyDDU
Although this video makes me think that either this guy had a diamond in his pocket or he's extremely unlucky. Or lying...
SA Spyder said:
It's supposed to be extremely hard to scratch, even with a razor blade. The iPhone is practically invincible when it comes to keys and the like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkXlriABfOo . It's a good watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yNh0N2qbs . This video too is essential for discussions like this. Basically, to scratch the iPhone's glass, you need something that's harder than the glass they used. So diamonds might scratch it. Metal, not so much.
If this guy's Samsung Focus's screen went to hell after one pocket session, methinks the Gorilla glass they used was made in Chinese ghettos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eb17SwyDDU
Although this video makes me think that either this guy had a diamond in his pocket or he's extremely unlucky. Or lying...
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I'm not lying, I have no reason to be. I've also had the phone for about a week (and a half) and I think I might have actually dropped it once on the rubber foot mat of a car, but that was only like a 2 foot drop and it was rubber. I'm still perplexed as to how this scratch got on my Focus. I have some other little "soft" scratches, but those you can't see unless the screen is turned off and its at the right angle. The one I'm referring to is small, but when I use my Focus outside you can notice it (even on the black theme). I tried taking a picture, but it wouldn't come out.
Would it be possible to exchange it for another Focus at AT&T if I'm still in my 30 day trail period?
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I'm not lying, I have no reason to be. I've also had the phone for about a week (and a half) and I think I might have actually dropped it once on the rubber foot mat of a car, but that was only like a 2 foot drop and it was rubber. I'm still perplexed as to how this scratch got on my Focus. I have some other little "soft" scratches, but those you can't see unless the screen is turned off and its at the right angle. The one I'm referring to is small, but when I use my Focus outside you can notice it (even on the black theme). I tried taking a picture, but it wouldn't come out.
Would it be possible to exchange it for another Focus at AT&T if I'm still in my 30 day trail period?
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You'd have to talk to them, but I doubt it. Usually physical wear and tear isn't really covered. But couldn't you return it and then buy another one?
I'm assuming you got the scratch when the phone landed screen-down on the floor mat of the car. There are usually tiny rocks and some are bound to be more solid than the glass, thus the tiny scratch. So 'unlucky' then, I suppose.