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I have been using IE with the pocket plus features like tabs, smart scrolling, etc. but have been hearing a lot about the other browsers. I put Opera on for a couple days, but I think I was doing something wrong. Here are my questions:
1. How much space do they all take and can IE be removed if I go with one of the others?
2. Which is better on speed (any proof, or does it just feel faster?)
3. Do Picsel & Opera both have thumb scrolling & extra tabs without 3rd party app?
I would add NetFront 3.5 in this comparision as well.
Ghost26 said:
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I have been using IE with the pocket plus features like tabs, smart scrolling, etc. but have been hearing a lot about the other browsers. I put Opera on for a couple days, but I think I was doing something wrong. Here are my questions:
1. How much space do they all take and can IE be removed if I go with one of the others?
2. Which is better on speed (any proof, or does it just feel faster?)
3. Do Picsel & Opera both have thumb scrolling & extra tabs without 3rd party app?
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1) IE can be removed, but some of the files are used by system programs, and it is minute anyway.
2) PIE is the slowest, and the least accurate at page rendering, although I haven't used Picsel that much so I can't comment... Opera Mobile is brilliant! (Opear Mini, the one that runs in Java is great for not eating your data allowance).
3) Opera Mobile has thumb/finger scrolling, and tabs, not sure about Picsel though... Opera mini doesn't have tabs, and may not do thumb scrolling although I don't use it that much...
Out of those three, Opera Mobile is probably the best, but NetFront 3.5 SMOKES Opera Mobile.
yeah but netfront uses to much resources. if you even have it minumized it would slow down your device
what are the differences between opera mobile & opera mini?
Can they be used effectively without esmertec java [over 2MB] ?
For the record I did read the wiki on web browsers, but I had some more specific questions that I cant find the answers to and you guys have always been helpful
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opera mini == a java applet which is made to run on all phones with java
from nokia to htc phones with touchscreen
opera mobile is a native windows mobile application which only runs on that platform
native apps in general are better intergrated with the os and is often faster
pie is in the rom and if one removes it one have to cook a rom without
it and as said other programs depend on the files being there
and removing stuff from the dedicated rom space dont give more storage
Netfront CPU issues have been resolved with build 519, just redownload from the Access Website. PIE is the slowest and renders the worst, proof is in the testing done by the great Menneisyys here
You should read up on all his articles and Bibles, there's so much information he offers. Btw, trash Picsel. Just trash it.
Take your pick between Opera Mobile, Opera Mini, NetFront, and possibly SkyFire .
In general
Opera Mobile - high CPU usage, good compliance, speed varies greatly depending on device (so you'll have to try it for yourself). Grab the MAXSD cab of build 1126 to test.
Opera Mini - FAST. Can't do stuff like select text. Must use through a Java Manager (using Jbed, you can create a direct link to Opera Mini, so it's okay.)
NetFront - Even with the fixed CPU usage of build 519, still a memory hog. This one versus Opera Mobile is a pretty close race, it's up to personal preference.
SkyFire - Perfect rendering of everything (even YouTube videos), but that's because this is essentially a VNC app, meaning everything is rendered somewhere else, and you're just viewing a constantly refreshed image of a webpage. I don't like it, personally, but some love it.
They are all scrollable with your finger (pagepan), although only Opera Mobile and NetFront have flick-scrolling.
aahh yeaah opera mini also go passed opera's server which compress stuff and pass it on to the devices
which is why it is fast
but guess if opera's server goes belly up as does it
i personaly use opera mobile but then on pc i also use opera so ..
Azimuth21 said:
Netfront CPU issues have been resolved with build 519, just redownload from the Access Website. PIE is the slowest and renders the worst, proof is in the testing done by the great Menneisyys here
You should read up on all his articles and Bibles, there's so much information he offers. Btw, trash Picsel. Just trash it.
Take your pick between Opera Mobile, Opera Mini, NetFront, and possibly SkyFire .
In general
Opera Mobile - high CPU usage, good compliance, speed varies greatly depending on device (so you'll have to try it for yourself). Grab the MAXSD cab of build 1126 to test.
Opera Mini - FAST. Can't do stuff like select text. Must use through a Java Manager (using Jbed, you can create a direct link to Opera Mini, so it's okay.)
NetFront - Even with the fixed CPU usage of build 519, still a memory hog. This one versus Opera Mobile is a pretty close race, it's up to personal preference.
SkyFire - Perfect rendering of everything (even YouTube videos), but that's because this is essentially a VNC app, meaning everything is rendered somewhere else, and you're just viewing a constantly refreshed image of a webpage. I don't like it, personally, but some love it.
They are all scrollable with your finger (pagepan), although only Opera Mobile and NetFront have flick-scrolling.
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thank you very helpful. I have read almost all that stuff and it is good info, but i like to have it confirmed. sometimes there is so much hype that a better option gets downplayed because it isnt as cool. All I have been hearing about is skyfire. Is it out yet?
Skyfire and Opera Mini 4.1, those are the two best ones I've come across.
Is there a way to get opera to download files other then mpeg ones? I can download avi's or almost anything else for that matter...or is opera just a browser in the literal sense?
Rudegar said:
aahh yeaah opera mini also go passed opera's server which compress stuff and pass it on to the devices
which is why it is fast
but guess if opera's server goes belly up as does it
i personaly use opera mobile but then on pc i also use opera so ..
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Yes I know OperaMini goes through opera servers, but the difference is Opera servers compress the webpage, which is then downloaded onto the phone. With Skyfire, the webpage is never downloaded, so it is constantly using data to view the webpage being rendered on a Skyfire server. Therefore, Skyfire wins initial draw speed of a webpage, but loses during any interaction with said page (it must load when you zoom, for example.) Personally I use Opera Mini for the pure speed, but Opera Mobile when I must do something secure (logging into emails, PayPal, etc), because it never passes through a separate server.
@bartybet
I don't know why you can't download anything else with Opera (i'm assuming Opera Mobile), since Opera Mobile's download capabilities are very powerful. Check Menneisyys and his blog, he has a post about mobile browsers and their download abilities, with Opera Mobile topping the list.
So it sounds like it is between netfront and opera mobile.
would you recommend opera 8.65 or the 9.5 pulled from the diamond?
Skyfire id the best to me. That's the only one that you can play videos in.
Ghost26 said:
So it sounds like it is between netfront and opera mobile.
would you recommend opera 8.65 or the 9.5 pulled from the diamond?
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9.5 all the way... way nicer to use, faster, supports flash...etc..
dieKatze88 said:
Out of those three, Opera Mobile is probably the best, but NetFront 3.5 SMOKES Opera Mobile.
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Lol you funny netfront sucks opera 9.5.1126 owns it
Rudegar said:
aahh yeaah opera mini also go passed opera's server which compress stuff and pass it on to the devices
which is why it is fast
but guess if opera's server goes belly up as does it
i personaly use opera mobile but then on pc i also use opera so ..
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Same here, cant wait for the bookmark sync thing to work, Opera Link or something....
On a slightly different note, do you think opera will
a) Update the diamond to the newest version of opera for free
b) Ask Flar to take down all links to opera beta cabs.
These are both if/when a proper version is released.
Rory
ChInEsE ChIcKeN said:
yeah but netfront uses to much resources. if you even have it minumized it would slow down your device
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The CPU usage bug is stated to be fixed in the new (current) version.
steb0ne said:
Skyfire id the best to me. That's the only one that you can play videos in.
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you have a lot of alternate, REALLY superior means of playing back videos - see my YouTube Bible.
I'm having problems with opera mobile - after using it for about 20 seconds or so, scrolling, or clicking links, it freezes and I have to close it. This is really inconvenient because now i have to use pocket ie . Alternatively, is there a hack to make the arrow buttons/d-pad scroll the page instead of the links? Or even better, grab and scroll like in opera? thanks
Why not just use opera mini? I pefer that to opera mobile personally
wshader said:
Why not just use opera mini? I pefer that to opera mobile personally
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same, plus opera mini works really well with teh herald.
Well i've never really been able to figure out mini, plus I don't like how it always brings up another window if you want to type in a website address...I've also found that mini unnecessarily takes up a lot of space on the screen and has unusable scroll bars. Also, when I go to live.com on mini, it also shows up in danish or something...
It all depends on the website loaded... My Titan slows down on pages flooded with a zillion images and the like...
That is with a 400Mhz chip...
Thing is, it slows down no matter what you're doing - it froze when I clicked on the address bar to type something a couple times...
also, is there a way to make PIE not scroll by links?
After paying for Opera mobile, I no longer use it. Its just too slow. It's a shame that pIE is faster than OM.
dkb218 said:
After paying for Opera mobile, I no longer use it. Its just too slow. It's a shame that pIE is faster than OM.
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Well i use Opera MObile 9.5.1 beta its very good and its free. I uploaded the cab for you guys.
EDIT: hmmm...upload is not working so i gave the link to the file instead.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401643
I have been running the opera 9.5 that has been floating around these forums that was ripped from the diamond (not the beta from opera's website as it is much buggier), and running it on my wing works great without any lockups at all.
I do have my wing oc'd to 286, but I have tried it at 200 mhz and there wasn't much of a slow down.
Hi does anyone have any tips on speeding up web browsing on the touch hd??
Im experiencing VERRYYY slow webpage loading on opera browser...
I have a 20meg broadband connection and is no quicker at loading pages on 3g or wifi!! My girlfriend has a omnia and webpages load instantly!!!
Is there a better program for web browsing? ive tried i explorer. still the same.
many thanks for any tips or info.
kindly search for f**ks sake. its only the hundreth post about this....
Noticed the same. Omnia seems to be faster renderung the webpage. But HD resolution is higher. Even my diamond is faster.
*Try the cache optimising tweak to improve performance if not already done.
*Type Opera:config into your url then set mininum overview zoom to 85%. This does not speed up Opera but allows you to click on links without zooming so in a sense does speed up your browsing experience.
RE: Slow opera browserArrow
well, maybe because your browser and windows system are not compatible, you'd better change your browser or maybe youcan try the software tuneup360, which can help you solve all the computer problems.
anyone has been able to connect to the HSDPA network ??? And which rom are you using... My wifey's G2 connects to the HSDPA and I ran it aganst my HD2 and the best my HD2 can muster is 768kbps while my wifey's G2 did 11080kbps...
I'm using Josh's Rom and on a 2.50.14 radio
RippSpeed said:
anyone has been able to connect to the HSDPA network ??? And which rom are you using... My wifey's G2 connects to the HSDPA and I ran it aganst my HD2 and the best my HD2 can muster is 768kbps while my wifey's G2 did 11080kbps...
I'm using Josh's Rom and on a 2.50.14 radio
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somebody correct me if I'm wrong... but I'm pretty sure the HD2 isn't a true HSPA+ phone. It will certainly get a benefit from connecting to an HSPA+ network... but it will not get a full benefit.
G2 is HSDPA+
HD2 is HSDPA
Your not going to get the same speeds especially if your in a T-Mobile 4G area. Your wife will get 4G speeds but you wont.
When using Opera Mini I get speeds ranging from 2000 to 8000+ but when using opera 9.5 or 9.7 or even Pocket IE I get 200 to 300+. Not sure why this would be, perhaps someone can shed some light on this or test to verify
bradecrain said:
When using Opera Mini I get speeds ranging from 2000 to 8000+ but when using opera 9.5 or 9.7 or even Pocket IE I get 200 to 300+. Not sure why this would be, perhaps someone can shed some light on this or test to verify
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I run my test @ mobilespeedtest.com
Could be this
bradecrain said:
When using Opera Mini I get speeds ranging from 2000 to 8000+ but when using opera 9.5 or 9.7 or even Pocket IE I get 200 to 300+. Not sure why this would be, perhaps someone can shed some light on this or test to verify
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While you can turn server based "compress & send" browsing on in 9.x and 10.x, by default it does "full rendering on device" So instead of the pages being rendered on Opera's servers, compressed and sent to your phone for decompression and display, you are hetting raw HTML, scripting, graphics & soound files, etc which all get put together right there on the phone. You need a fast connection, and a decent processor for this way to work well.
Opera Mini does not fully render the pages, but rather just delivers them, so the speeds you are reporting are fudged possibly (not sure what you are using for measurement.) It could be that that much data is what you have after decompression at the phone, but not that much data is coming over the connection, I would imagine.
The main difference is what goes on behind the user interface.
Opera Mini always uses Opera’s advanced server compression technology to compress web content before it gets to a device. The rendering engine is on Opera’s server.
Opera Mobile 9.x or 10.x is a full Internet browser for mobile devices. The full web-rendering engine – Opera Presto – is run on the phone using the phones’ hardware to download and display webpages.
I get hspda with kumars..also when I use hyperdroid on my hd2
Sent from my HTC HD2 using Tapatalk
I am running the OZDROID ROM and running Android 2.2 with the iphone skin and am consistently pulling down 2MB/s (2048 KB/s) and up 1 MB/s (1024 KB/s) here in Salt Lake City. Tmobile just launched HSPA+ here about 2 weeks ago... on top of all of this.. I am still using my Tzones - MobileWeb $5.99 plan.
i have been using opera mobile 10 and windows explorer as my main browsers and i was getting between 50- 450kbps at mobilespeedtest.com, but today i downloaded opera mini 5 which is great by the way, and ran the test and came up with 1958kbps & 1978kpbs, is this the actuall speed or is opera mini causing it to spike like that.
last time i run the test using IE on my touch pro2 i got 7+MBps.
opera mini fetches the page on their server then sends to your phone, so the speed u got is actually their sever to mobilespeedtest, not actually your phone to mobilespeedtest
The only browser that gives accurate speed test results is Opera Mobile. This is the only browser for WM that does not compress packets or manipulate data links in any way before sending it to your device. All processing is done on the device end. IE compresses data packets before they get to your device giving fluctuating results. Opera Mini, Uzard, and previously Skyfire all render pages remotely and then pass the rendered page onward to the device.