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Would having a thicker screen protector allow us to make the screen more flush to the trim? I have read that the screen is only recessed 1mm. It seems that we could easily compensate for that with a protector, essentially making the screen flush already?
Is the screen further recessed than I have read--and has anyone had issues hitting the screen perimeters? Scroll bars, X/OK, start menus, outter letters on on-screen keyboards... et al?
I want this (the x1a) to be my next phone, and I think I can deal with the screen, but I would like to make it as close to my original Touch as possible--which has the best recessed touchscreen I have ever used. I can easily hit all the extremities, and scroll, and when I draw on the screen using the Notes application, I can easily draw to all the borders, using my thumb.
With the speediness of this phones rotation, I worry less about the on-screen keyboard, but I find myself wanting to use it a lot... like, for quick messages, and entering data into programs, like a web browser. I use the hardware keyboard for longer emails, texts, or modifying documents.
How has the recessed screen affected you guys?
makes it more difficult to be a one hand touch phone. you need to use the stylus to make selections more accurate. im always using a stylus anyways but it would be a better phone if the screen wasnt recessed.
Well sometimes it is indeed an annoyance but not really all that great. For multiple reasons though. I'm often having hard time using controls on the borders with my finger, I found out it's better to just kind of push at the border itself and thus let only part of the finger on the screen than trying to push it in the border and selecting something farther from the border. Furthermore it makes the screen harder to clean.
Also I've noticed reduced sensitivity around the borders even using the stylus (in Pocket Artist to be exact), is this normal? I have to push a bit more to draw, etc.
However, I can imagine a flush screen wouldn't really fit the design of the phone
Wow, these comments are very disconcerning to me... If the screen is annoying to use, and they keyboard is not as good as the Pro, then why would anyone pay 3x the price to get this instead? I took my Pro back because the Sprint model overheats--the AT&T model has crappy GPS, that AT&T locked down...
I really like what I see in the X1, but if critical WM functions are hard to use without a stylus then that would be a deal-killer for me
to me, i dont think the phone is worth the 800 i paid because i kind of was expecting more. a phone that is an all in one for me. phone, wifi, browse, tethering..... and compact.
dont get me wrong, it does all that i want so far but i think the screen is a little to small. great resolution but screen could of been a bit bigger. i bought the phone on line and so i never really got to physically see it before i bought it. i just went with what was on the specs alone.
also i was expecting more out of the browser... its okay but i just wished it had a full browser with complete flash and java support.
its my first wm device and so i was also expecting more out of the os.
sliding keyboard was one reason i bought this also and so again i was expecting better.... keyboard is okay but i wish it had more key mapping options and key functions. it seems when using the keyboard, i also have to use the stylus.
i guess i was just expecting better for my 800 bucks but then again i havent really tried customizing it such as trying different third party apps or the other cab files.
i think the htc hd would of been a better phone for me but they dont make it for the u.s high speed band. i got what i got and so ill try and make the best of it and see if i can make the most of it.
Yeah, right now, we don't have that many great options in the U.S.
We have the CDMA Omnia, but it's screen is pathetic compared to the HD. It's also quite unresponsive, and very awful around the edges...
We have the CDMA Diamond, which overheats, and has similar screen issues. No SD slot either.
We have the CDMA Pro, which overheats, has similar screen issues, and more defects than you can shake a stick at.
We have the AT&T Pro, that has crippled GPS...
So what the hell is the best phone out there right now or in the near future? It sounds like the X1 just isn't worth it... Maybe if it was $299 with a contract, like the Pro...
I really don't get your complaints. What's the problem with the screen?
The recessed display is the best idea SE had with this phone. I won't even think about the scratches I had on the screen if it were plain like the TouchHD.
By the way, the Xperia has the same price as the Touch Pro here in Austria and it's far the better choice. For me it's all in one and everything I want from a PPC works fine.
skycamefalling said:
I really don't get your complaints. What's the problem with the screen?
The recessed display is the best idea SE had with this phone. I won't even think about the scratches I had on the screen if it were plain like the TouchHD.
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How does the recessed screen help with scratches
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How does the recessed screen help with scratches
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The frame is protecting the screen. When the unit is faced downwards on a flat surface it won't let the screen touch it directly, that way you save a lot of scratches.
Also I find the recessed screen very handy with sliders, with my thumb nail I can scroll as fast as I want without worrying loosing the slider. The only problem with the screen so far is the "x" button on the right corner, but I am getting used to it.
A minor advantage is that screen protectors can be fitted more easily and accurately. Of course non-recessed screens have other advantages but nonetheless I am very happy X1s screen.
XavierGr said:
The frame is protecting the screen. When the unit is faced downwards on a flat surface it won't let the screen touch it directly, that way you save a lot of scratches.
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Thank you for explaining, that's exactly what I meant to say
If the screen were plain it would be scratched by the zipper of my pocket all the time. So the zipper just touches the frame and this doesn't matter.
however it protects the screen from scratches...
skycamefalling said:
I really don't get your complaints. What's the problem with the screen?
The recessed display is the best idea SE had with this phone. I won't even think about the scratches I had on the screen if it were plain like the TouchHD.
By the way, the Xperia has the same price as the Touch Pro here in Austria and it's far the better choice. For me it's all in one and everything I want from a PPC works fine.
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Here in the US, the Pro is $199 or $299 with 2-year, and the X1 will be $799. Also, if you put a screen protector on your device, your screen looks perfect. My Touch has zero scratches on the screen, but has one or two on the screen protector..
May I ask why you would ever want to lay your phone down on it's screen? I have never done that on any phone I've owned, PDA or not.
XavierGr said:
The frame is protecting the screen. When the unit is faced downwards on a flat surface it won't let the screen touch it directly, that way you save a lot of scratches.
Also I find the recessed screen very handy with sliders, with my thumb nail I can scroll as fast as I want without worrying loosing the slider. The only problem with the screen so far is the "x" button on the right corner, but I am getting used to it.
A minor advantage is that screen protectors can be fitted more easily and accurately. Of course non-recessed screens have other advantages but nonetheless I am very happy X1s screen.
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I'm glad to hear you are happy with the screen--but you really have to use your fingernail with the scroll bars? That's pretty weak... like we are going back to the days of the Apache...
You guys can verify that the screen is really only recessed about 1mm? If so, wouldn't putting a screen protector on there make the screen flush again?
ScrapMaker said:
You guys can verify that the screen is really only recessed about 1mm? If so, wouldn't putting a screen protector on there make the screen flush again?
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Well it's really recessed only a little and I guess it does protect it a bit. I actually had both the touch pro and X1 in hand and then actually chose to go with the X1, they are priced the same here too.
MagNetCZ said:
Well it's really recessed only a little and I guess it does protect it a bit. I actually had both the touch pro and X1 in hand and then actually chose to go with the X1, they are priced the same here too.
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Do you think that if we had a thicker screen protector, could it make the screen flush, and have the same effect as, say, a Touch--with a true flush screen, unlike the Diamond and Pro...
the screen protector would have to be pretty thick to make up the recessed area. not worth the effort.... i think if you buy it, youll just have to try live with it. its really not that bad but would have been more touch screen friendly if it was flush. not a deal breaker for me and the more i use my phone, the more i am getting to like it more... but still not worth the 800 bucks (no phone is worth 800 bucks, i just bought the phone on a whim).
Sorry to say that but the idea is flawed.
Imagine having to handle complex equipment with 3 gloves on your hands... it will be a mess.
Anyway I don't really understand the fuss about flush screens, the only problem I find on XPERIAs recessed screen is the 'x' button on the top right corner and a bit of the 'Start' button. The scrollbars are way too thick to be a problem to operate.
Both problems are solved with time and experience with the device. Imho the protection of the recessed screen outperforms the advantage of easy access on the 'x' button, not to mention that you can just press the ok button to have the same effect.
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not to mention that you can just press the ok button to have the same effect.
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Exactly. And I can imagine the sensitivity going downhill with protectors that thick anyway.
Oh, it has an OK button?
Iiinnnnttteerrreseting!
Happy New Year All!
I am buying a Fuze today and am now ordering all my accessories on ebay.
I have a question about the stylus, and I hope you can help:
Do you know if the stylus is magnetic, or if the Fuze is magnetic?
Some ebay sellers mention that the HTC Touch Pro Stylus is "magnetic", but others do not mention this.
If you can point me in the right direction, that would be great. I'd hate to buy one that isn't 'magnetic', and have it slide out.
...Or, is that nonsense, and the magnet is in the device itself.
Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks!
I do believe that all touch pros have the magnetic stylus...
Uh...I don't know how to explain it...
Well, this guy who did the review is sort of an idiot about it so don't listen to too much of what he says, just watch what he does. I hope it will explain it better:
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=CZlsH4I43xw
At 2:23 it starts to talk about the stylus. The magnet is there to keep the stylus in the device, since the guy doesn't have a clue.
Oh, and the Touch Pro is essentially the same as the FUZE just a different keyboard layout, I believe.(If you didn't already know that...)
Michael_514 said:
Happy New Year All!
Do you know if the stylus is magnetic, or if the Fuze is magnetic?
Thanks!
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Both are..................................
The stylus is magnetic.
There is also a sensor that can detect stylus removal. Some people have it so it launches "Notes" or whatever else they want.
Removing the stylus turns the screen on...
Really all sorts of stuff. The phone will react differently in some cases vs having it seated. Pretty neat.
Do you know if the stylus is magnetic, or if the Fuze is magnetic?
Initially thought it was a situation where a strong magnet in the stylus bay Magnetized the actual stylus if you pulled it in & out a number of times.
Now tend to accept the idea that there is some magnetic properties to each: just for kicks tried placing an Appropriately Sized nail into the stylus bay, and while it DID seem to be attracted to the bay it certainly did NOT "snap" in the way the Fuze stylus does...
BTW, why do you feel you need an extra Stylus right away? The Fuze shipped with 2, and with the magnetic bay it does seem likely that they would get lost in a hurry....
I concur, the stylus seem to me that the stylus has the stronger magnet of the two, but both are magnetized.
Also like it was mentioned, the systems work quiet well and I don't see how you would loose the two stylus in a short period of time, unless you drop it or something...
i dont know if the phone itself is magnetic but the stylus is for sure..and its quite strong too...i put it on my pc's case and it needed quite some force to remove
i dont know wether this is with all touch pros, but with mine you can screw off the black upper part of the stylus with a longer inner part, then you can see the magnet in the inner part...
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After losing my stylus I bought a couple of new one on ebay; but all of those were pieces of ****.
I finally bought the official pack (with 3 stylus, way more expensive) and those are far better. Too bad that HTC didn't bundle a spare stylus with the touch pro as they did with the tytn II =/
I can also confirm that the stylis is magnetic and not the phone.
the stylus conveniently sticks to the side of the phone so you can have an extra hand on the fly
Anybody tried any stylus pens?
Was thinking of Acase
And using it with Tabnotes and/or Sketchbook??
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Wrong section.
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I picked up a Targus stylus from Best Buy, and it works fine for sketching. Taking notes is another story, though. Capacitive screens are just not as accurate as a dedicated digitizer, so handwriting often looks awful.
If you're serious about notes and sketching, you'd probably be better off with the HTC Flyer, which has an actual pen digitizer and is reasonably more accurate.
Tried the Acase cos my mate had it for his iPad. It was pretty good and its only a fiver on Amazon so I was thinking of buying one.
I bought the rubber nub stylus from bbuy, expensive, but was impulse buy. It works pretty well.
For note taking, I use Handrite, and for drawings and sketches, i use an XDA member's app called Fresco. It's by far the best drawing app i've tried.
Stylus works fine, slight lag as expected, but learning curve is very short.
I just bought the Kensington Virtuoso Touch Stylus & Pen, which is of course both a Stylus like those mentioned above, and a Pen. So far, I'm really happy with it.
Some of Z2 users (or say many) still doesn't know that our device responses with any ordinary pencil (or pen).
Not only responses it works well and even without enabling glove mode or any extra system level mods. (Added some clicks)
However, this features is not announced officially by Sony for our devices, which was one of the major & unique feature earlier introduces to Xperia Z Ultra.
And they discontinued this with further Z series line-up phones (as also it doesn't work with Z3 and perhaps later)
So...somewhere the question arises- should we continue to use that feature in our phone, or we will end up damaging our display screen or touches?
Any idea, if there were any such problem with Z Ultra?
Please comment on that.
It was a silly idea
-Drawing with a pencil on your phone? Why can I just use a stylus? The pencil damage the screen.
-Actually you can use other electric conduction items. But why?
-Terrible accuracy, even worst than S pen
-Why can't just make a stylus? like Samsung S pen? MS surface pen? Why pencil? Why pencil?
TONYTONYAU said:
It was a silly idea
-Drawing with a pencil on your phone? Why can I just use a stylus? The pencil damage the screen.
-Actually you can use other electric conduction items. But why?
-Terrible accuracy, even worst than S pen
-Why can't just make a stylus? like Samsung S pen? MS surface pen? Why pencil? Why pencil?
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Ok I agree...!!
But still I would say what's wrong if any device supports pencil in addition to a stylus, especially when the phone has no space to keep a stylus?
In that case it seems using just any pencil will be more handy (for lite use)
And say good for college going students or people works in art or architectural fields.
But offcourse not in the cost of damaging your screen, if it really makes then.
yes, it responds. i've tried... i'd suggest you to put a tempered glass protector before you use the pencil on the screen..... with a tempered glass like screen cover, i really felt more and accurate response... So if you want to use your pencil as a stylus without damaging your screen... using a tempered glass is the best solution.. hope i helped,
ashishkr said:
Ok I agree...!!
But still I would say what's wrong if any device supports pencil in addition to a stylus, especially when the phone has no space to keep a stylus?
In that case it seems using just any pencil will be more handy (for lite use)
And say good for college going students or people works in art or architectural fields.
But offcourse not in the cost of damaging your screen, if it really makes then.
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Pretty sure you can fit a stylus in the phone/phablet like Z ultra
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Samsung Galaxy Note
TONYTONYAU said:
Pretty sure you can fit a stylus in the phone/phablet like Z ultra
E.g.
Samsung Galaxy Note
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Galaxy Note styluses doesnt work on normal screens. I tried Note 4 stylus on HTC One M7, Galaxy S5 and Xperia Z2 and it doesn't work, because Note has a special technology for its S-Pen. It recognizes coordinates and touch of stylus and that's how it works. It won't work on non-Note phones, because of lack of this technology.
But universal styluses or pens are working very fine - this I can confirm.
Siva Mk said:
yes, it responds. i've tried... i'd suggest you to put a tempered glass protector before you use the pencil on the screen..... with a tempered glass like screen cover, i really felt more and accurate response... So if you want to use your pencil as a stylus without damaging your screen... using a tempered glass is the best solution.. hope i helped,
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It's not about getting screen scratched, it's already scratch resistant (you can search for such testing videos) and even so I am also using similar screen protectors (nilkin 9h screen protector recommended mostly).
Here the question is about such damaging of screen, resulting touch issues, abnormal behaviours or dead screens.
BTW Thanks for suggestions
TONYTONYAU said:
Pretty sure you can fit a stylus in the phone/phablet like Z ultra
E.g.
Samsung Galaxy Note
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Yes sure they have.
Check my reply, I already have written "...especially when the phone has no space to keep stylus. In that case..."
Found an old link, Sony confirming stylus/pencil support for Xperia Z2
i like to use pencil to read pdf files and highlight the words . has been a year using it ..cant see any scratches due to pencil ...
napyaninja said:
i like to use pencil to read pdf files and highlight the words . has been a year using it ..cant see any scratches due to pencil ...
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Nice to hear that, let's hope will not lead to any trouble, to any screen functionality further :thumbup:
Sony has changed to Synaptic driver from Z3 (Z1, ZU and Z2 use Maxim driver), I think that is the problem, but it seems to be strange since my friend own a Z1 with Synaptic driver and get working with pencil.
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Sony has changed to Synaptic driver from Z3 (Z1, ZU and Z2 use Maxim driver), I think that is the problem, but it seems to be strange since my friend own a Z1 with Synaptic driver and get working with pencil.
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Though for Z1 there are some workaround available to enable that, perhaps this mod works for Z1
Has anyone found a fully functional alternative stylus? The included Realpen feels like a $0.50 toy and does not include any buttons or an eraser tip. I've tried two alternative styli, a Toshiba tablet PC model and a Samsung Note stylus. These both work fine on the drawing pad, but do not work using the "Anypen" feature on the screen. Is there a stylus out there that works on the screen and drawing pad?
Also looking for an alternative. Only found some for the digitizer, not for the screen.
Good Stylus
Hey,
I found a review on couple of different stylus. Just Google Lenovo Yoga Book Stylus Pen. By Arthur Walker. It is a Tumblr link. He goes in full details with his experience on different stylus
I actually went out of my way and bought the one he suggested which was Lenovo Tablet 10 4X80F22107. I purchased it on NewEgg for $107 CAD. (Might be cheaper in US)
I have been using the stylus for a year.
So far, I feel its a lot better than the Real Pen. It is a lot lighter and feels like a real pencil because it uses two times more in pressure sensitivity than the Real Pen. The stylus is not too big or heavy as I can be taking notes up to two hours. It comes with two side buttons, and an eraser button that I actually use as an eraser when I'm taking notes.
Only down side of it so far is the nib is made of plastic. I notice that the nib appears to be wearing out the more I use.
If you have some money to spare and want to feel more comfortable
ruanw92,
Does the Tablet 10 stylus work on both the touchscreen and the keyboard area?
Anyone found replacements? Cause i don't know how but the point of my pen broke off (this is unacceptable) I only have 3 ink pens now. Might check the Lenovo Tablet 10 4X80F22107.
take a Samsung Note 4 Stylus, its selling for under $5
xda-graphite said:
take a Samsung Note 4 Stylus, its selling for under $5
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The Note Pen have replaceable pointers, are they compatible with the yoga pen ?
the galaxy note pen is much smaller and also the pointer. I use it for write directly on the keyboard surface and when i write on paper I take the yoga pen, and so I don't have to change the pointer of the yoga pen. BTW the note 4 pen only writes on the keyboard surface, not on the display
stylus from the galaxy tab works perfectly on yoga tablet