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Hero for Sprint

I had to contact customer service for a billing issue and also asked the guy about if the Hero was coming to sprint and he said YES!!! I know it's just a customer service guy and they've been wrong in the past, but I'm hopeful.

I've been hearing that too. The real question (since I firmly believe that the customer service guy has it right for a chance) is when. My guess (for no real reason whatsoever so don't quote me on this) is in August.

That's great news! All I need are answers to my questions I posted in the Hero Q & A forum to seal the deal.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532760

From what I understand, the only company whose bandwidths that HTC has applied for, for the Hero, is AT&T. I was despritely hoping the T-Mobile would be first to launch, but I've heard from many people and sources that AT&T will be the first to carry the Hero.

cl2eep said:
From what I understand, the only company whose bandwidths that HTC has applied for, for the Hero, is AT&T. I was despritely hoping the T-Mobile would be first to launch, but I've heard from many people and sources that AT&T will be the first to carry the Hero.
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I am also desperate for T-Mobile to get this phone. I would get the mytouch 3g, but T-Mo got the lame version with less ram which kinda turns me off that...why not just get a g1 and have a keyboard if it's going to have the same specs? It sucks...I'm due for an upgrade next month, and really want to do it quickly (I'm still using a wing), but I want the Hero. The Touch Pro 2 is awesome but I think I want to get away from windows mobile. Dammit!

I hope T-Mo USA wakes up and takes the Hero...If the Hero is launching under the UK T-Mo then why can't it launch in the states? If they allow another carrier to get their hands on possibly THE BEST Android handset I would be so upset. It doesn't make sense to get the ball rolling with Android and then give up the most prized possession to another carrier.

Verizon Nexus One Officially Dead

http://googlenexusoneboard.blogspot.com/2010/04/update-on-nexus-one-partnerships.html
Nexus One News and Updates
Monday, April 26, 2010
An update on Nexus One partnerships
When we launched Nexus One in January, we announced partnerships with Vodafone in Europe and Verizon Wireless in the US. We have news on both fronts.
Today, Vodafone begins accepting pre-orders for Nexus One from customers in the United Kingdom at www.vodafone.co.uk/nexusone, and on April 30th Vodafone will start selling Nexus One in their UK stores, online, and over the phone. Soon after, they will also begin selling Nexus One in France (SFR), Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Spain. Vodafone is our first European partner to distribute the Nexus One.
In the US, if you’ve been waiting for the Nexus One for Verizon Wireless’ network, head over to http://phones.verizonwireless.com/htc/incredible to pre-order the Droid Incredible by HTC, a powerful new Android phone and a cousin of the Nexus One that is similarly feature-packed. It will be available in stores on April 29th.
We are very pleased with the amazing pace of innovation and strength of the Android ecosystem and to be working with partners around the world to bring the Android experience to more people.
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BOOM.
Verizon Nexus One goes POOF.
My guess? Verizon didn't want the phone due to the 3G issues. Not that it's definitely a hardware issue, but they probably didn't want to take the chance.

Paul22000 said:
BOOM.
Verizon Nexus One goes POOF.
My guess? Verizon didn't want the phone due to the 3G issues. Not that it's definitely a hardware issue, but they probably didn't want to take the chance.
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Why would the CMDA version have the same 3G issues? It would have used a completely different radio than the current N1. I highly doubt that was the reason. My guess it that they either believe the Incredible would take too many N1 sales to make it profitable, or Verizon wants more control of the device than Google is willing to give them.
Regardless, it's not completely dead yet and there's still a chance Sprint will get it. I still don't know how well an unlocked CDMA phone could work though.

Doubtful that the 3G issues had anything to do with it. They most likely didn't want 2 nearly identical models to deal with. It wouldn't make any sense to carry both the Nexus One and the Incredible. On top of that, the Nexus One wouldn't be filled with the Verizon bloatware that the Incredible most likely will be.

Verizon probably wouldn't budge on their programming prices for the phones is the most likely reason.

I'm sure it had everything to do with the fact that why would you buy a phone for 529 when you can get almost the same phone for 199. N1 would have super failed on Verizon worse than TMO and ATT versions

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Why would the CMDA version have the same 3G issues? It would have used a completely different radio than the current N1.
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I believe the issues are with the radio being at the bottom, so the signal dropping by hand covering the bottom would affect it the same way.
I highly doubt that was the reason. My guess it that they either believe the Incredible would take too many N1 sales to make it profitable, or Verizon wants more control of the device than Google is willing to give them.
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Well, the Incredible has no bloatware to be found (see the videos on YouTube, particularly the ones by "jon4lakers"). The device is completely untouched, especially in comparison to AT&T's Backflip.
Regardless, it's not completely dead yet and there's still a chance Sprint will get it. I still don't know how well an unlocked CDMA phone could work though.
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I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.

I don't think they had planned to sell the phone standalone. It would have been subsidized like the t-mobile plan.

It's not too complicated...
Neither verizon..nor HTC would like for N1 to directly compete with their new phone. Google also has mentioned many times that N1 is not a competition to other android phones. they don't want to upset their partners.
Verizon just launched incredible, which is almost the same as nexus one. Verizon can change the name of incredible to match their droid branding.. which is not possbile with nexus one
further, incredible is verizon phone and they get all the profit from it.. not google. when I was talking with t-mobile they told me that T-Mobile has no profit or financial agreement with google.. infact the subsidy on the phone is by google and not t-mobile.
Again.. i can't stress more..but all phones have problems when back is covered. All phones have specific intructions in user manual to avoid covering the back. N1 does not have 3G issues.. it's t-mobile

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I believe the issues are with the radio being at the bottom, so the signal dropping by hand covering the bottom would affect it the same way.
Well, the Incredible has no bloatware to be found (see the videos on YouTube, particularly the ones by "jon4lakers"). The device is completely untouched, especially in comparison to AT&T's Backflip.
I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
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You are correct, CDMA phones cannot be transferred between Sprint and Verizon

arkavat said:
It's not too complicated...
Neither verizon..nor HTC would like for N1 to directly compete with their new phone. Google also has mentioned many times that N1 is not a competition to other android phones. they don't want to upset their partners.
Verizon just launched incredible, which is almost the same as nexus one. Verizon can change the name of incredible to match their droid branding.. which is not possbile with nexus one
further, incredible is verizon phone and they get all the profit from it.. not google. when I was talking with t-mobile they told me that T-Mobile has no profit or financial agreement with google.. infact the subsidy on the phone is by google and not t-mobile.
Again.. i can't stress more..but all phones have problems when back is covered. All phones have specific intructions in user manual to avoid covering the back. N1 does not have 3G issues.. it's t-mobile
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I disagree. I see 0 downsides from having both the N1 and the Incredible available.
- The phone market in both cases is HTC, so they don't care.
- The carrier will be Verizon in both cases, so they don't care.
The only difference is that someone who has a strong preference for the N1 (standard OS, the looks, or otherwise), can get it.
A Verizon N1 will only bring in MORE customers to Verizon and HTC; there's no way it could affect either of them negatively.

I don't get it.
Beyond not trying to screw their partnership with HTC by having both the Incredible and Nexus One on Verizon at the same time this doesn't make much sense. GSM is the way to go for an open platform anyway. It's a lot easier to just switch out the SIM. No need to contact Verizon or Sprint to let them know which phone you're running.

There is overhead such as the per device training on support, stocking, advertising, that come with any handset. On cdma you do not get the advantages of having a sim and on verizon you already have another phone that is very similar but superior in some respects. Most importantly to the average user who does not know about and will never do many of the things that we would call advantages with the nexus one the things like 8 megapixel camera loom larger. It would be my guess that verizon looked at the number of expected sales versus the cost of carrying the handset and decided it didnt pencil out, simple as that. One thing for certain, it always comes down to the money.

krabman said:
There is overhead such as the per device training on support, stocking, advertising, that come with any handset. On cdma you do not get the advantages of having a sim and on verizon you already have another phone that is very similar but superior in some respects. Most importantly to the average user who does not know about and will never do many of the things that we would call advantages with the nexus one the things like 8 megapixel camera loom larger. It would be my guess that verizon looked at the number of expected sales versus the cost of carrying the handset and decided it didnt pencil out, simple as that. One thing for certain, it always comes down to the money.
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Very well said.
Paul,
Verizon and HTC are both together in incredible. Verizon has invested in that phone. They want it to sell more than Nexus One.
Google makes lot of money from N1... they released the revenue this quarter... and none of that went to T-Mobile.

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Google makes lot of money from N1... they released the revenue this quarter... and none of that went to T-Mobile.
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Can you provide a link for this?
I have never seen Google or T-Mobile say anything official about how the profits from the phone are distributed. (And I doubt they would do something like this, as companies usually do not.)

Actually, the article didn't say the Nexus One for Verizon was dead. It just suggested buying the Incredible, similar to how they pointed people to the Droid previously in the "can't wait" link. The AT&T N1 came from nowhere.
Paul, you may be right, but I'd wait for further clarification on this before I'd pronounce the VZ-N1 dead.
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I disagree. I see 0 downsides from having both the N1 and the Incredible available.
- The phone market in both cases is HTC, so they don't care.
- The carrier will be Verizon in both cases, so they don't care.
The only difference is that someone who has a strong preference for the N1 (standard OS, the looks, or otherwise), can get it.
A Verizon N1 will only bring in MORE customers to Verizon and HTC; there's no way it could affect either of them negatively.
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I agree with this. Further, I would think that having a DEV phone on Verizon would be hugely important to Google. Until the Incredible/Desires are rooted, there is no DEV equivalent to the N1.
Like AT&T, Verizon doesn't have to support it to allow it to connect.

If this development is true its things like this make me more and more mad at the so called "premium" companies like Verizon. Always putting restrictions on what their customers can do instead of giving them the options they want.
Isnt that what people hate Apple for too?

krabman is right. you have 2 similar products, verizon backs the incredible though. they must have sat down and crunched numbers out and figured making a cdma verizon n1 wont be worth it vs its projected sales.

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I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
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It has been done before with older phones. However, I'm not to sure about the current smart phones.

Well ****. The Incredible's hardware is impressive, but it is looking to be one closed POS like every other recent HTC phone. It'll also probably have the ridiculous memory protection scheme of HTC that prevents writing to the system partition. Sounds like the deal between Google and Verizon fell through, because there's definitely code in AOSP for the CDMA mahimahi. The problem is that Verizon can decide whatever comes in or out of their network and they are likely none too pleased with Google's new business model.
No fastboot oem unlock = ABSOLUTELY the wrong direction for Android, do not like.

Maybe the outdated TouchPad 2000 that the N1 is using?

Looks like Sprint cancelled the N1 as well...

Jesus, I already have my T-Mobile version and it doesn't hurt me but I really don't like Sprint (and Verizon) giving hopeful N1 customers the finger.
Its not that they just said no to subsidizing the phone... its that since they work off a CDMA network (non sim cards) they will just block the phone entirely off their network. Even if you had a Sprint compatible version and called them up to activate it they would tell you no. Greedy SOB's.
I wanted the N1 to become a smartphone standard across all 4 carriers so that Google would continue to produce it for a LONG time and come out with subsequent versions over time. But with just two carriers supporting it I am scared Google might abandon it long term due to low sales.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/sprint-cans-nexus-one-in-favor-of-evo-4g/

Doesn't matter to you or me. We've got one of 2 current gen standard bearers (other being the Milestone/Droid) and ours doesn't have to go through a carrier to get OS updates.
All the apps will be built with us in mind, so fewer bugs and possibly more apps. We're basically Android Dev Phone 3. Nothing wrong with that at all. This is a loss for Sprint customers only, and the size of that loss is debatable.

Sucks to be a sprint customer. Will the EVO be better than the Nexus One? On paper, yes.. however that has yet to be seen. Most (or some) of us thought the N1 would be overshadowed by the Droid Incredible but that wasn't the case at all.
EVO vs Nexus One .... coming soon.

I wonder who's decision it was to cancel these phones...
Verizon, Sprint, Google, or HTC?
Who's to blame here?

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I wonder who's decision it was to cancel these phones...
Verizon, Sprint, Google, or HTC?
Who's to blame here?
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Good question. If it was Google, I think they bailed just before the vindication of the N1. I am reading about perceived "issues" with the Incredible and Desire similar to those on the N1 regarding 3g coverage. The N1 is a damn fine phone, and Verizon and Sprint users are missing out on an absolute gem with a better forward path than anything else in the hardware queue.

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I wonder who's decision it was to cancel these phones...
Verizon, Sprint, Google, or HTC?
Who's to blame here?
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Its DEF Sprint's and Verizon's fault the phone was cancelled. Google could easily put in a different radio (like they did with the ATT version) but Sprint and Verizon can just refuse to activate the phone on their network like they did. ATT and TMo didn't have a choice since they use sim cards. Sprint and Verizon are evil companies that force their customers into more expensive options instead of giving them choices

Same reason the verizon deal fell through. both spring and verizon are very controlled networks. Googles wants to essentially turn the cell phone system into an europe-esque system where phones and service are seperate entities.
Each nexus phone has to be programs for verizon or sprint. They probably couldn't come to terms with an appropriate price and management. They'd have to have the phones programmed before being shipped out, one more step and one more cost.
Then you have the headaches of pushing out updates. We saw how long it took Droid to get the 2.1 update. If you want to update a sprint android phone you have to take it to a retail store to do it!

thats a damn shame

sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales. why would they chop that by catering to a phone that would only compete with their own sales, but they don't get sales money for? neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
btw, i love my nexus one. i can see why they would worry, lol. incredible is a nice phone, but the chick i'm hanging out with just got one, i played with it, and i prefer my N1, tbh
have to get a sprint phone for clinics though this june, so hoping the evo gets out early june phone n1, but evo for hanging out with and playing

down with verizon and sprint they suck. Everytime I saw a sprint phone on that TV show, heroes I thought.... ugh, fags

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sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales.
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If Sprint or Verizon doesn't want to subsidize the N1 because they want to push their own phone that's fine. But blocking an unlocked N1 from using their network just for the sake of being ****'s and forcing people into more expensive options? That's just bullsh*t and shouldn't be tolerated
Just because customers getting screwed happens in American business doesn't make it acceptable...

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If Sprint or Verizon doesn't want to subsidize the N1 because they want to push their own phone that's fine. But blocking an unlocked N1 from using their network just for the sake of being ****'s and forcing people into more expensive options? That's just bullsh*t and shouldn't be tolerated
Just because customers getting screwed happens in American business doesn't make it acceptable...
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well, i don't want to get too far off topic, because this is all just speculation. however, now htc doesn't have to worry about manufacturing a cdma version at all, so it saves everyone a lot of hassle

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sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales. why would they chop that by catering to a phone that would only compete with their own sales, but they don't get sales money for? neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
btw, i love my nexus one. i can see why they would worry, lol. incredible is a nice phone, but the chick i'm hanging out with just got one, i played with it, and i prefer my N1, tbh
have to get a sprint phone for clinics though this june, so hoping the evo gets out early june phone n1, but evo for hanging out with and playing
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Post a pic of the chick!

timothydonohue said:
neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
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The Samsung Galaxy S would like to have a word with you.

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Jesus, I already have my T-Mobile version and it doesn't hurt me but I really don't like Sprint (and Verizon) giving hopeful N1 customers the finger.
Its not that they just said no to subsidizing the phone... its that since they work off a CDMA network (non sim cards) they will just block the phone entirely off their network. Even if you had a Sprint compatible version and called them up to activate it they would tell you no. Greedy SOB's.
I wanted the N1 to become a smartphone standard across all 4 carriers so that Google would continue to produce it for a LONG time and come out with subsequent versions over time. But with just two carriers supporting it I am scared Google might abandon it long term due to low sales.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/sprint-cans-nexus-one-in-favor-of-evo-4g/
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I partially agree with the OP here, it would be nice to have this across all carriers, but in all honesty, CDMA is just not something that is well supported outside the US. Having GSM is key since it is more the worldwide standard. I don't think not having CDMA is going to really hurt things for this device.

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sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales. why would they chop that by catering to a phone that would only compete with their own sales, but they don't get sales money for? neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
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That makes no sense at all. Even if they didn't subsidize the phone, like AT&T, someone could buy the N1 100% with their own money, and then throw their money at Verizon/Sprint for the voice and data plans. All I could see is a net PLUS of subscribers on their networks. Now if someone reallly wants an N1, they'd be thinking T-Mobile / AT&T; a net LOSS of subscribers for Verizon/Sprint.
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however, now htc doesn't have to worry about manufacturing a cdma version at all, so it saves everyone a lot of hassle
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Except HTC probably already had the CDMA N1, or was FAR into the development of it. It saves hassle for everyone except HTC, who wasted a lot of time and effort.
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The Samsung Galaxy S would like to have a word with you.
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A camera with no flash. 'nuff said.

Verizon and Sprint have a much much more closed network than Att or T-mobile. They wan't entire control of what goes on the network.

I don't think anyone would care because sprint customers would probably be waiting for EVO 4g..

personally, i really liked sprint. i had a heck of a plan with them, i got a lot of free upgrades without contract, and i always had a signal, no matter where i went. i did sometimes have to roam, but i had free roaming, so no big whoop.
i only switched over to tmo for the N1

Lil disappointed with BestBuy :(

On 10/26/10, i PRE-ordered my Sprint Galaxy Tab through BestBuy, especially after seeing a release date of 11/7/10. The only reason i thought that this could be an accurate date is because they do sometimes sell products before the actual carrier does. (Example: HTC Evo 4G WHT was released a few days early.)
Yesterday i received an email from BestBuy stating that there has been a change to the release date for my pre-ordered item! The new release date is 11/14/10.
*disappointed*

sorry, about the news. i was going to preorder with the samethought that bestbuy might ship early, but thanks to your report, i will wait.

tab
go tmobile for the sim slot

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go tmobile for the sim slot
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a) T-Mobile Blows.
b) i currently have (3) lines of service through Sprint (HTC Supersonic, Motorola i880, and a Sierra Wireless Overdrive),all still under contract, so i really do not need a 4th line of service. Purchasing Tab out-right to replace supa slow overdrive.
c) T-Mobile Blows.

Give Best Buy more time. They'll keep disappointing you.

Yep, i haven't purchased anything from Best Buy since 2004. I would avoid it like a plague.
It's not bad. They offer you hands on experience before buying stuffs. But they just have little problem here and there. And I grew too frustrated to deal with it.

Thats weird because i had sprint for 4 days when the evo came out and had no service anywhere.. it was ****ing terrible.. even in big rural areas 45 mins from philly.. and have tmo and havent had no service.. so where i am sprint blows ..
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Any Sprint users?

I received the $100 off email yesterday. But I'm on Sprint. And I can't select Sprint on the pre-order site, so I haven't ordered the phone yet.
Has anyone pre-ordered a Sprint phone yet?

It hasn't even been announced when pre-orders will take place.
Sprint M8

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Me too, contacted Sprint, no tentative date of release. They need to get the ball rolling.

I'm waiting as well.

I must admit, I've been very excited for the release of this device. I've been a big fan of HTC since the Hero days and am still quite happy with and impressed by my trusty M7. The release of the 10 has, in my opinion, been nothing short of dismal. As evidenced by Samsung and even LG, you need to have your product available when the hype is at its peak. I'm really optimistic that the 10 will be worth the wait (despite not being water resistant, which would have put the thing over-the-top) but in this day and age people don't like to wait and with so many other great options available a struggling company can't afford to miss out on even one potential sale...

Totally agree. Should have been available at announcement.

Verizon is the #1 Carrier and seems to sell the most phones for HTC so I have no doubt that they were the first because of that. Back on the M8 sprint got the only harman kardon edition and I am think they didn't sell as many as HTC would have liked. HTC is trying to fix their profit problems in the US and one way to do that is to make Verizon happy. The sprint version will come. We already know a t-mobile phone will come as they did an un-boxing yet no announcement and I would assume its because Verizon rigged the game to be first. ATT won't sell it probably because they don't care to, they know people that want the phone want an unlocked/unlocked bootloader and will pay for it and they are possibly fine with that. Plus I assume they have have a better deal with Samsung and Apple where they make more money per phone sold. I will say it is sad to see that the unlocked version wont work on sprint, I think you can blame Verizon for that. This is only my opinion but verizon is opposed to unlocked bootloaders we all know, but since its CDMA it would be eaiser for HTC to make one "CDMA version" of the phone for both Verizon and sprint. It is still unclear if the unlocked version will have CDMA bands my guess is it wont. If it has CDMA the unlocked version has band 13 and should work on Verizon. That would be a big disappointment for sprint users since it does not have the 25, 26, 41 LTE bands. I am just glad I will be on ATT now...
I should add Verizon always gets their way, I cant wait till they day that stops but until then bye bye.

Really surprised there's not even a sign of when pre-orders are going to start yet. All the hype will be gone by the time that date arrives....
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Yea, I mean I know it's first world problems, but I need a new phone and I want the new HTC.

saw a email (addressed to someone else) from a marketing VP @ HTC which said the sprint option would be available on htc.com on 5/11...take that with a grain of salt...it didn't mention if the option was to buy or pre-order, though you'd think by then it should be the option to buy!

Let's hope so

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saw a email (addressed to someone else) from a marketing VP @ HTC which said the sprint option would be available on htc.com on 5/11...take that with a grain of salt...it didn't mention if the option was to buy or pre-order, though you'd think by then it should be the option to buy!
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5/11....wow. I surely miss the days of the M8 launch. I guess funding is the biggest issue with availability. I hope that the 10 can really help out HTC with their finances.
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I'm waiting, hoping I can get it =P

Waiting (im)patiently as well. Neither HTC nor Sprint will cough up an actual date. Hopefully the 11th is true. Or sooner.

Looks like it's officially released on the 13th for sprint. http://www.droid-life.com/2016/04/29/sprint-gets-htc
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Looks like it's officially released on the 13th for sprint. http://www.droid-life.com/2016/04/29/sprint-gets-htc
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Still too far away, lol. Hopefully pre-orders start soon. Thanks for the info though.

So, no contract renewals for 199$ ?
We are expected to pay for the phone AND stay with Sprint using a phone that cannot be transferred to any other GSM network?
Somehow, GSM carriers are now looking good.
I have been with sprint since they kitted out as Sprint. Hope the above is not the only option.

aviatordoc said:
Somehow, GSM carriers are now looking good.
I have been with sprint since they kitted out as Sprint. Hope the above is not the only option.
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Consider T-Mobile if the coverage works in your area. It's super fast in most big cities, the plans are reasonable and they are modding friendly.

But T Mobile will not have OMJ