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Pissed off about the 2.2 delays? Yeah me too.
DK28 not stable enough for you? Yeah me too.
Have had it with neither firm taking responsibility or communicating the status of the project? Yeah me too.
Take action:
Comment on: https://www.facebook.com/sprint and tell their social marketing team that you want an answer, an eta, a statement of responsibility. Hit them up at http://twitter.com/sprint too.
Or even: http://investors.sprint.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=127149&p=irol-contact
Do the same for https://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobile
Both firms are more likely to see your voice and respond to it then they would trolling the xda forums.
Do the same for https://twitter.com/samsungmobileus
Or even: https://contactus.samsung.com/customer/contactus/formmail/mail/MailQuestionGeneral.jsp?SITE_ID=76&PROD_ID=2088
I like this idea. I'll be bugging them as soon as I get home from work.
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Hey guys, this is my first post and I'm a long time reader, so bear with me . Anyways, I toyally agree with you except, I just got off of the phone with samsung and according to the lady 2.2.1 was already released to sprint on the 17th of december. So if she is correct, it would be way more effective to call sprint instead because they are the ones with the ball in their court now (IMO). Yeah, samsung took long, but I think we must now pressure the carriers bcause it WAS already released to them (idk about AT&T) and that's maybe why the galaxy s phones were listed as 2.2 on Sammy's website. The sounded like she thought we had it by now, but maybe she's just... DUMB? Again I may be totally wrong about all of this sooo.... that's just my current thoughts on the update drama.
*edit: but hey, I guess it wouldn't hurt to talk to samsung while you're at it xD
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Put messages on both twitters and FB pages.
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Hey guys, this is my first post and I'm a long time reader, so bear with me . Anyways, I toyally agree with you except, I just got off of the phone with samsung and according to the lady 2.2.1 was already released to sprint on the 17th of december. So if she is correct, it would be way more effective to call sprint instead because they are the ones with the ball in their court now (IMO). Yeah, samsung took long, but I think we must now pressure the carriers bcause it WAS already released to them (idk about AT&T) and that's maybe why the galaxy s phones were listed as 2.2 on Sammy's website. The sounded like she thought we had it by now, but maybe she's just... DUMB? Again I may be totally wrong about all of this sooo.... that's just my current thoughts on the update drama.
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The strategy here is not to directly go to one or the other but to both in hopes that one will pressure the other to make a statement or take direct responsibility.
Although I am glad that this is the case and we now have an official statement from Samsung.
Did anyone who posted ever receive a response?
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Did anyone who posted ever receive a response?
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they never respong back dude... i've been posting **** on Samsungs page for ages now about it and they dont give a crap.
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they never respong back dude... i've been posting **** on Samsungs page for ages now about it and they dont give a crap.
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Well what are the chances they will respond to that kind of language? Come one now. How can they respect the vocabulary of a middle schooler lacking in eloquence?
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I've posted on all of the links twice now and even added @SamsungService to my tweets. Its odd. I hate twitter and I've refused to tweet after trying it once but if to get these corporations to respond to our community I must break my personal ban then I'll install the damn app on my phone.
Don't forget to hassle http://twitter.com/GalaxySsupport too.
Posted and tweeted. Let them hear our voices united.
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Don't forget to hassle http://twitter.com/GalaxySsupport too.
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Added to my harrass list. Will note however that I doubt this will bring about anything. They could care less how we the minority of users savvy enough to know the difference feel. They've sold near 10 million SGS phones.
Personally I think they should have froyo out a long time ago, HOWEVER if it's unstable, why release it? DK28 is close to stable but not for prime time. I'm running it and need to restart the phone about once or twice a day.
I suspect it was a management decision to not release it because if there are big issues and they release it around xmas time, who is going to be around to fix it or support all the end users complaining? Most of the people take vacations around mid December until January for holidays... Most likely they have short staff.
I think we'll see something in January when they have developers ironing out the last bugs and have a full support team. Maybe for CES??
On another note, I think they "leaked" 2.2.1 out for a reason.. let's beta test on the hard core folks... Lots of people complained about GPS and some other issues, so best to fix it first from their perspective. These leaks happen to go to typically more advanced users that can figure out how to revert back to stock without needing to call support...
Is there a such app that would do the same as an app called sms bomber but it would do emails or tweets lol then you could blow them up literally.....sprint
Viper Rom
Done and Done!
Gladly... thanks for the links!
Was reading around the pages and you guys are doing it wrong...
If your posting on a Sprint page, blame sprint, no matter what others say blame sprint and give evidence that its sprint..(if people blame samsung prove that is sprints fault)
(for those wondering international sgs did get froyo updates..it is official..not a rumor...the ones in canada were taken down but they were reinstated a week later and everything works)
If your on Samsung's page blame samsung and if people blame carriers prove that its samsungs fault...
This may sound contradicting but if your posting about how samsung sucks on a Sprint site..sprint does not need to defend samsung..they can let them take the blame..
same way the other way..
*evil grin* lol
I'm not sure of the timing but this was posted to phandroid after we started:
http://phandroid.com/2010/12/30/epic-4g-2-2-delayed-you-dont-say/
It would be nice for a carrier or manufacturer to give an official response instead of pushing the responsibility off to the retailers or customer service reps at the bottom.
Keep it going. Maybe we'll see something next week when the big whigs come back from their holiday vacation.
Oh and if you were looking key people:
http://www.dailyfinance.com/company/sprint-nextel-corporation/s/nys/key-executives should help you out.
Been doing tweets to @samsungservice, @samsungmobileus, @galaxyssupport and @sprint every couple hours now. Added @samsungtweets as well. Been doing facebook ones too but not gotten any official responses.
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Been doing facebook ones too but not gotten any official responses.
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That makes sense. No one is going to be around on their digial marketing team this time of the year. Hopefully when they return next week they'll respond.
Keep the chatter going though. The more attention the problem gets the more likely a response will be given.
Hopefully that means the Epic isn't far behind.
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Hopefully that means the Epic isn't far behind.
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I saw the acclaim getting in for Us Cellular but nowhere does it say that the Fascinate has it.
http://ars.samsung.com/customer/usa...ID=2&PROD_SUB_ID=557&PROD_ID=561&AT_ID=363167
Link for Fascinate.
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http://ars.samsung.com/customer/usa...ID=2&PROD_SUB_ID=557&PROD_ID=561&AT_ID=363167
Link for Fascinate.
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The DL09 update is not Froyo
http://bit.ly/eVbIJm
no froyo for fascinate
lol better close this thread before it gets out of hand hahahahah
I am trying to debunk that rumor that just got started lol
My bad. The tweets were right after another so I assumed it was a Froyo update as well. Ironic the smallest of all the Galaxy S carriers gets it first. Probably because they don't force as much bloatware on to it as the others.
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I edited the subject to save any further confusion.
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Hopefully that means the Epic isn't far behind.
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The interesting thing is that it isn't an OTA upgrade.
android central just posted the fascinate froyo release story.. sorry but i can't link yet =P
and yes the open source link does list the froyo zip for the supplied model #SGH-T959D
Believe it or not, US Cellular probably has almost as many developers responsible for "Android Stuff" as Sprint does... I'm guessing 2 or 3, vs 4-6 for Sprint. People would be shocked if they knew how few actual developers are responsible for so much of what we use daily. There are dozens & dozens of employees involved with QA, logistics, liasing between management & Samsung's own developers, etc... but actual individuals with the official source in their Eclipse workbench personally working on raw sourcecode? Very, very few. The main advantage *they* have over devs @ XDA is the email address of someone at Samsung who *might* be able to help them if they get stuck on something. And, of course, the latest source ;-)
You *always* need at least two devs who can touch the code if necessary, but beyond that, the number grows very slowly beyond the first 3-6 and their supervisor. In a very real sense, NoobieNL + one or two other Epic devs basically doubles or triples the number of development man-hours dedicated *specifically* to the Epic's destiny if you also count Sprint's devs. Samsung *itself* probably has 1 or 2 devs who spend all day with the Epic, 1 or 2 more who deal mainly with "CDMA Galaxy S" stuff, and a much bigger group responsible for Touchwiz & platform apps in general.
That's why unauthorized leaks are frowned upon here. If the 2.2 source for the Epic gets leaked without tacit authorization, Sprint doesn't have an army of faceless drones to blame... they have one or two managers who'll get reamed/threatened, and those managers probably have a pretty good idea who did it before they even leave the VP's office.
At the end of the day, regional carriers are a mixed bag. They have more developers per capita than Sprint or Verizon, and probably less internal bureaucracy & complications like SprintTV, but less/no individual "pull" with HTC, and even less with Samsung. If Sprint locks horns with Samsung, they'll probably reach a compromise they can both deal with. If US Cellular, Fido, MetroPCS, etc locks horns with Samsung, they'll probably be tactfully told to take it or leave it.
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That's why unauthorized leaks are frowned upon here. If the 2.2 source for the Epic gets leaked without tacit authorization, Sprint doesn't have an army of faceless drones to blame... they have one or two managers who'll get reamed/threatened, and those managers probably have a pretty good idea who did it before they even leave the VP's office.
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Do we even know that Sprint and/or Samsung are upset about the leaks or that the ones we have weren't authorized from someone higher up? I would say that having leaked Froyo out in the wild takes a lot of heat off of them. Sure people are upset about not having the "official" version with source and all, but imagine how upset they would be if we had no Froyo at all. Is there any evidence that these leaks weren't intentional?
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Is there any evidence that these leaks weren't intentional?
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There isn't any evidence either way, so it's all conjecture. I'm excited to point out that your question demonstrates one of the few logical fallacies whose names I remember from a rhetoric class I took in high school. I swear I'm not trying to be a jerk. I just love it when I remember something I learned so goddam long ago.
Using the absence of evidence against a hypothesis to suggest that the hypothesis is true is called "argumentum ad ignorantiam". It's used rhetorically to place the burden of proof on the skeptic and in extreme cases can lead to paranoid conspiracy theories. "You can't prove it's wrong; therefore it must be right!"
I'm not suggesting that you're doing that at all. I really am just spouting some crap I learned in high school because I think it's fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w5JqQLqqTc
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
^^^ Actually, I wasn't referring to any specific leak, recent or otherwise... just reminding everyone that if they ever get contacted by someone at Sprint someday with info they need to make something work, but they're asked to keep it under wraps until some date, don't assume that it's a thinly-veiled "okay" to go ahead and post it immediately, or that he/she's safe because nobody at Sprint will be able to figure out who secretly helped you. Thank them profusely, and respect their request (if only out of enlightened self-interest and hope that they might share more info with you in the future).
Is the LG Ally seriously getting a froyo update before the fascinate. Yet another reason why I hate Samsung & Verizon
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-ally-about-get-froyo-update
You can rant with frustration & disappointment below. lol.
I gave up on samsung updating us a while ago. I know this doesn't mean much, but I was at a verizon store the other day so for the hell of it I asked when we were getting our froyo update. He blatantly said "you're not getting it." At least I know I can count on the awesome devs to unleash the true potential of this phone. Thank you kaos, jt, birdman, geeknik, adrynalyne, sonofskywalker, and anyone else I forgot. You guys are awesome
EDIT: I forgot....THANK YOU IVORY for donating the fascinate to kaos!!
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Is the LG Ally seriously getting a froyo update before the fascinate. Yet another reason why I hate Samsung & Verizon
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-ally-about-get-froyo-update
You can rant with frustration & disappointment below. lol.
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Not sure why you mention Verizon, since they're the ones pushing the LG update. Shouldn't is just be Samsung?
I can only keep a poker face so long....the recent cd rom bug is pushing me over the edge.
adrynalyne said:
I can only keep a poker face so long....the recent cd rom bug is pushing me over the edge.
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I'm thinking I'm glad I'm standing pat on... umm... whatever the hell was before DL09... DJ05?
I just picked up my morning coffee.
The Ally was released in May, they have been waiting a lot longer...
(Though some of the other US SGS phones were released in June.)
Well, some of them were promised 2.0 and their updates stopped at 1.6.
"Enhanced browser performance for faster loading of Java Script pages. Note: Adobe Flash browsing will not be supported on this device"
Did you guys MISS that line ???? No Flash browser, might as well not be 2.2....
Yes, we totally are kidding!
Verizon released Froyo for the Fascinate yesterday, but they just won't give it to you. Why? We're not sure. Maybe you didn't pay your bill on time, or maybe they're prejudiced against people with {insert your hair color here} hair. They can be pretty capricious that way.
The rest of us are rocking it, but nobody has posted here about it because we all like keeping secrets and making you angry.
Toodles!
Samsung charges providers with the update, verizon does not want to pay for it since its open source. Therefor we wont see it unless samung gives it for free or someone here can make it happen. my bet is on XDA not Verizon. Next phone will be motorola seems they are happy in bed with verizon and get all the updates and fixes.
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Samsung charges providers with the update, verizon does not want to pay for it since its open source. Therefor we wont see it unless samung gives it for free or someone here can make it happen. my bet is on XDA not Verizon. Next phone will be motorola seems they are happy in bed with verizon and get all the updates and fixes.
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Please don't spread rumors. There are enough in the blogosphere to do it for you.
pvgomer said:
Samsung charges providers with the update, verizon does not want to pay for it since its open source. Therefor we wont see it unless samung gives it for free or someone here can make it happen. my bet is on XDA not Verizon. Next phone will be motorola seems they are happy in bed with verizon and get all the updates and fixes.
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You hit this one right on the head! Sammy needs a lesson on what "open source" is. Although I think Verizon could be a little more vocal, in the end it all comes down to Sammy.
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I can only keep a poker face so long....the recent cd rom bug is pushing me over the edge.
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Agreed and there web site is down so I can't download the media recovery and was unable to find the toolboot exe
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pvgomer said:
Samsung charges providers with the update, verizon does not want to pay for it since its open source. Therefor we wont see it unless samung gives it for free or someone here can make it happen. my bet is on XDA not Verizon. Next phone will be motorola seems they are happy in bed with verizon and get all the updates and fixes.
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Please don't perpetuate unverified rumors.
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"Enhanced browser performance for faster loading of Java Script pages. Note: Adobe Flash browsing will not be supported on this device"
Did you guys MISS that line ???? No Flash browser, might as well not be 2.2....
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Actually, I would gladly take 2.2 without flash to get JIT and chrome to phone, not to mention some apps are coded to only work on newer versions.
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Actually, I would gladly take 2.2 without flash to get JIT and chrome to phone, not to mention some apps are coded to only work on newer versions.
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I would, but the majority of the tools and noobs in here only care about Flash. I'm actually most excited about JIT and the ability to upgrade integrated apps independent of software updates (like Gmail for example)
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I can only keep a poker face so long....the recent cd rom bug is pushing me over the edge.
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Really? Don't leave us Adrynalyne. It's making me mad too. I was forced to update to DL09 since I got my phone replaced today, and I went back to DJ05. And then the CD bug happened. It's such an awesome phone, crippled by poor carrier/manufacturer support.
Im not leaving...its just the OCD in me kills me on things like this.
We got it resolved yesterday, anyway.
I'm new to this forum and still trying to find my way around it, so could you point me in the direction of the usb situation fix please? Thank you.
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to fix problem with modem(radio) issue relating to CDMA RADIO, signal bars, gps, voice audio, multimedia, 2g and 3g firmware and some power management issues with s5pc110( hummingbird) and modem (radio hardware)
if you have a odin flashable tar, PM me..
noobnl ( cyanogenmod epic team)
Newer than dk28?
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Is there a modem newer than dk28 that anyone has? I thougt the source for the leaks didn't want to risk it again.
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Thats why a source should PM a trustworthy Dev like Noobnl instead of just releasing it outright and getting backlash. I'm certain that Noob will insure anonymity and find a way to best put it to use.
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Thats why a source should PM a trustworthy Dev like Noobnl instead of just releasing it outright and getting backlash. I'm certain that Noob will insure anonymity and find a way to best put it to use.
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10-char!!!
n00b,
I love your work. You're an amazing developer, you're a nice guy, and you contribute a lot to these forums. Everyone likes you and you're somewhat of a legend around here.
However, to have someone to leak you unpublished work from a huge corporation is incredibly risky. The NDA's that people sign are pretty iron clad that if they leak information, they won't be able to have a job anymore. Their trust is completely lost if they get caught and they'll have trouble finding work elsewhere. They might even face jail time and fees. That's how serious this stuff is.
I'm as anxious as the next guy in order to get the new modem, froyo, and other mods. However, if you're REALLY interested in developing... why not join the machine? AKA try to get a job with Sprint, Samsung, Motorola, HTC, etc.? You can use all of us for references! Seriously, why not turn your hobby into real money with a career with them? To program for Android in the Bay Area would net you atleast over $100K a year!
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I'm as anxious as the next guy in order to get the new modem, froyo, and other mods. However, if you're REALLY interested in developing... why not join the machine? AKA try to get a job with Sprint, Samsung, Motorola, HTC, etc.? You can use all of us for references! Seriously, why not turn your hobby into real money with a career with them? To program for Android in the Bay Area would net you atleast over $100K a year!
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As someone who works for a large corporation, I can tell you that the companies in question probably have people just as good as n00b employed with them (not to take anything away from n00b since his work around here has been awesome). The problem in these large companies isn't talent (IMO) as much as it is the RED TAPE. Some of the red tape is needed, but probably like 5% of it.
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Thats why a source should PM a trustworthy Dev like Noobnl instead of just releasing it outright and getting backlash. I'm certain that Noob will insure anonymity and find a way to best put it to use.
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Last time noobnl tried to keep a lid on things, it kinda blew up in his face. There was a whole lot of drama about it. I do hope someone can help him out on this, though. It would be nice to see some more progress from our community. We've kind of stalled out while waiting on Samsung and Sprint.
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Thats why a source should PM a trustworthy Dev like Noobnl instead of just releasing it outright and getting backlash. I'm certain that Noob will insure anonymity and find a way to best put it to use.
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I would think that any reliable source that cared would have given it to him a long time ago. If they are willing to leak a new modem then why not just leak the kernel sources while they're at it..
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DK28 was not leaked to devs. Our devs got their hands on it because someone with hardware version .4 got an OTA and worked with them to dump it to a useful format. The update.zip was also temporarily available on Google's servers.
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DK28 was not leaked to devs. Our devs got their hands on it because someone with hardware version .4 got an OTA and worked with them to dump it to a useful format. The update.zip was also temporarily available on Google's servers.
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it was a tar leak.. and a ota leak too
Noob talk talk to me! I know you are a sly dog what's going on? You always have the inside track so I take it this is a hint. I hope ll is well.
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You know, you could probably just edit the CDMA parameters and be done with it... I know that my radio problem is that it picks up towers that are too weak into the "active set" and that it is a recent common Samsung problem on several models. They tweak it so that it will utilize too low a signal level in order to decrease the number of "out of service" states as well as decreasing its apparent time to ready.
I just don't know how to do this on the Epic, and am waiting to see if the official 2.2 update fixes this. I know it started with the DI18 update, and persists with DK28, and disappears when flashed back to DI07. My brother's Epic which for some reason has never updated from DG17 (and he doesn't care to do it manually) and does not display this behavior.
On the A900 years ago it was easy with QPST. Actually, come to think of it, my Sanyo 8500 did it too, and I fixed that one as well.
... bump....
Do u know if the newest modem was leaked and know who would get it? Sorry i cant help i was just asking if it was leaked somewhere?
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Do u know if the newest modem was leaked and know who would get it? Sorry i cant help i was just asking if it was leaked somewhere?
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Obviously not or this this thread wouldn't be here.
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Obviously not or this this thread wouldn't be here.
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well he must kno something we dont know, maybe somepne got a leak and thats y hes asking?
Sources would be 10000x harder to leak than a phones zimage, modem, and /data/. Soure is held in a source control mechanism (git) internally usually, and unless the leaker is a dev, they probably don't know what to get. And if the leaker is a dev, they probably only have access to their piece of the project. Places I've worked in the past have been so anal bout what parts of source I see/have access to that I couldn't even tell what other features other devs were working on.
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There's a January leak in somebody's hands, he knows it. I do too.
He wasn't asking for a source. He asked for the new modem which is out
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Un-root And update download the file from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=975888 and apply. This will give you stock and S-on.
That simple!
Thanks for the info, but the fun is just beginning. This is always good to have just in case you have to return it.
You should be able to load any stock RUU. As long as the hboot and the recovery exist in the RUU, it should return you to a stock condition.
Jaywan, how about a simple root and s-off?
It's simple to make a app run the commands needed to make a one click rooter. And easier to edit a already working rooter to work for this phone. Idk why he don't want the one click released. Took me 30 minutes to root.. maybe he only want people to root using his method. I not gonna step on his toes by posting one tho...
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ok ok, I hear yah. I will just bite the bullet and type in all 90 of the commands tomorrow when I get off work.
BTW, I left the MT4G and came over to verizon also. I went to the SGS4G before I left tmobile. Lack of dev support for that phone made me give it up. Thanks for coming over to the Thunderbolt.
also, take a look at this thread I started. Somethings up with this one click unroot deal.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1004567
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It's simple to make a app run the commands needed to make a one click rooter. And easier to edit a already working rooter to work for this phone. Idk why he don't want the one click released. Took me 30 minutes to root.. maybe he only want people to root using his method. I not gonna step on his toes by posting one tho...
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I heard him meantion he wants people to learn adb so if something happens further down the line they can use it
Seriously I'm with him, the hardest part about adb for me was getting it installed. The root was easy and took 30 min
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For what its worth, he said feel free to post the one clicks, just give credit. I dont honestly care however, copy, paste, seemed simple enough. Was no where near as hard as the original root method for the DInc.
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The only legitimate reason I could buy about not wanting a one click released, is if SOMEHOW it would make our phones vulnerable to some sort if attack.
As background, I've ben using custom roms since my old g1 was new and JesusFreke was just getting started and I dont ever recall ANY dev with holding something that would make the users lives easier. In recent history I've done a ton of flashing roms with both mine and my wifes old vibrants and the only time I used adb was if I wanted to push a file to the phone without mounting it on my computer.
PERSONALLY, this whole mess sounds of ego and elitism. I am incredibly greatful to the devs who have paved the way, but fearful of what they are trying to do. No one should have the right to prevent another from releasing something, it's in gross violation of the gpl. If a dev wants to code something under a different license, fine. However it needs to be clearly annotated as such, and devoid of any gpl work itself. In other words, it basically can't contain anything related to android unless it was developed 100% blind through an emulator.
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Can't step on my toes, I got stealtoe boots...
I want a chance to review any one clicks before release. I REALLY want new users to understand what they are doing BEFORE they try one clicking.
I want proper md5sum verifications, I want proper warnings, etc.
I already stopped the release (until fixed) of one 1click root that would of been REALLY bad for the community and anyone using it.
Ppl need to stop blaming me for this crud.
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The only legitimate reason I could buy about not wanting a one click released, is if SOMEHOW it would make our phones vulnerable to some sort if attack.
As background, I've ben using custom roms since my old g1 was new and JesusFreke was just getting started and I dont ever recall ANY dev with holding something that would make the users lives easier. In recent history I've done a ton of flashing roms with both mine and my wifes old vibrants and the only time I used adb was if I wanted to push a file to the phone without mounting it on my computer.
PERSONALLY, this whole mess sounds of ego and elitism. I am incredibly greatful to the devs who have paved the way, but fearful of what they are trying to do. No one should have the right to prevent another from releasing something, it's in gross violation of the gpl. If a dev wants to code something under a different license, fine. However it needs to be clearly annotated as such, and devoid of any gpl work itself. In other words, it basically can't contain anything related to android unless it was developed 100% blind through an emulator.
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Are you a troll or do you really believe all that crock you just posted?
The issue with one clicks was an increased risk of bricking with this method. And where does the GPL even come in here at, any GPL code we used as released before the root was even up.?
I stopped a one click from being released today that not only left your phone vulnerable to an attack, but also left you with an outdated, faulty radio and other faulty firmware.
Either you are a troll, have a personal issue with me, or have a seriously problem.
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Can't step on my toes, I got stealtoe boots...
I want a chance to review any one clicks before release. I REALLY want new users to understand what they are doing BEFORE they try one clicking.
I want proper md5sum verifications, I want proper warnings, etc.
I already stopped the release (until fixed) of one 1click root that would of been REALLY bad for the community and anyone using it.
Ppl need to stop blaming me for this crud.
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omfg most of us been rooting since g1 came out THE FIRST DAY come on if modaco was working on this aka paul. like his app visionary he would have it out.... who cares most of us know adb... but i dont want to turn s off i just want root access to remove **** and do a couple mods. why is this such a big fuc88ing deal just release the app and we will all be grateful of who release one click root
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omfg most of us been rooting since g1 came out THE FIRST DAY come on if modaco was working on this aka paul. like his app visionary he would have it out.... who cares most of us know adb... but i dont want to turn s off i just want root access to remove **** and do a couple mods. why is this such a big fuc88ing deal just release the app and we will all be grateful of who release one click root
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o.m.g.
Dude it doesn't work that way on this phone. It is not the G1, z4/visionary/anyonphoneroot does not work, root REQUIRES adb (even with one click).
Fact is, you can't root this phone, temp or perm, one click or not, without ad.
If you can find a way, please do. We are awaiting your one click, root that does not use adb, and is not dangerous.
fyi one click has been released, hours before your post.
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I'm going to cut out all your attacks, because you've clearly missed my point in its entirety and decided to get defensive.
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The issue with one clicks was an increased risk of bricking with this method. And where does the GPL even come in here at, any GPL code we used as released before the root was even up.?
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I brought the GPL in because like it or not, you don't have the right to say who can and cannot release anything regarding "one click" roots UNLESS you yourself made an essential piece of the current rooting method, that is in its entirety your own. To make an analogy, you can't patent (and thus control the distribution) to a Toyota Carolla, simply because you assembled the whole thing from spare parts. If you were to completely design and fabricate a motor vehicle without using off-the-shelf parts you WOULD have that right.
There is nothing personal in my view of this against you, I don't hold any grudges against anyone; but its the mentality here that irritates me, and it just happens that you're the one that posted it:
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I want a chance to review any one clicks before release. I REALLY want new users to understand what they are doing BEFORE they try one clicking.
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I understand you want people to learn; I really do. I've done enough work with computers that I too get really irritated at people who demand answers to questions answered much faster by doing a quick search. I also understand why you want to avoid screw ups because of a poorly made one click. HOWEVER, just because you WANT people to get them cleared through you first; does not mean they HAVE to or that you have a right to demand that they do.
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I stopped a one click from being released today that not only left your phone vulnerable to an attack, but also left you with an outdated, faulty radio and other faulty firmware.
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And thus you've found the wonder of open source software. Sometimes crap gets released. But guess what? Every one of us here are supposed to be adults, or at the very least the authorized users of our phones; which means that if we screw something up, or use something that screws up; its our own damn fault.
The whole purpose of OSS is to allow freedom of ideas and development. I don't know how old you are, or what your experience with OSS outside of Android phones are; but I personally have seen PLENTY of OSS software that started out as utter crap, turn into wonderful software packages. Maybe you're old enough to remember KDE2 vs KDE4, or how about pre v1 Mozilla vs modern versions of Firefox.
I'm not some OSS nutter; I've got no problem with closed source or proprietary software; just a problem with others trying to control things they have no right to.
All that having been said, maybe you DO hold software rights related to some piece of the current rooting method. If so I've seen nothing indicating so, nor anything indicating that any part of the rooting method is not OSS; however if you DO, then you have my apologies, as you would indeed have control over distribution of that specific piece. You still would not be able to prevent distribution of any one click that were released provided they simply had users download your piece separately.
You are missing the point, and obviously did not read anything. This will be my last time wasting time with you until then.
I never said THEY CANT release, I asked them not to, until we had a safer way and time to check it out. Big difference. I stopped one from going out today that would of more or less ruined phones until someone fixed them.
Fact is, MOST of the one clicks I have seen lately, violate the GPL, why don't you go after them, or hell even better we could really use you to go after HTC (in all seriousness).
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I'm going to cut out all your attacks, because you've clearly missed my point in its entirety and decided to get defensive.
I brought the GPL in because like it or not, you don't have the right to say who can and cannot release anything regarding "one click" roots UNLESS you yourself made an essential piece of the current rooting method, that is in its entirety your own. To make an analogy, you can't patent (and thus control the distribution) to a Toyota Carolla, simply because you assembled the whole thing from spare parts. If you were to completely design and fabricate a motor vehicle without using off-the-shelf parts you WOULD have that right.
There is nothing personal in my view of this against you, I don't hold any grudges against anyone; but its the mentality here that irritates me, and it just happens that you're the one that posted it:
I understand you want people to learn; I really do. I've done enough work with computers that I too get really irritated at people who demand answers to questions answered much faster by doing a quick search. I also understand why you want to avoid screw ups because of a poorly made one click. HOWEVER, just because you WANT people to get them cleared through you first; does not mean they HAVE to or that you have a right to demand that they do.
And thus you've found the wonder of open source software. Sometimes crap gets released. But guess what? Every one of us here are supposed to be adults, or at the very least the authorized users of our phones; which means that if we screw something up, or use something that screws up; its our own damn fault.
The whole purpose of OSS is to allow freedom of ideas and development. I don't know how old you are, or what your experience with OSS outside of Android phones are; but I personally have seen PLENTY of OSS software that started out as utter crap, turn into wonderful software packages. Maybe you're old enough to remember KDE2 vs KDE4, or how about pre v1 Mozilla vs modern versions of Firefox.
I'm not some OSS nutter; I've got no problem with closed source or proprietary software; just a problem with others trying to control things they have no right to.
All that having been said, maybe you DO hold software rights related to some piece of the current rooting method. If so I've seen nothing indicating so, nor anything indicating that any part of the rooting method is not OSS; however if you DO, then you have my apologies, as you would indeed have control over distribution of that specific piece. You still would not be able to prevent distribution of any one click that were released provided they simply had users download your piece separately.
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I agree!! If anyone is in violation of GPL license it is HTC.
And once we have that kernel source in the hands of the community amazing things will happen!!
Once the custom kernels start flying you will see the TB doing crazy things. I can only imagine 2GHz speeds or insanely efficient battery life (to name a few)!
ShanDestromp says "And thus you've found the wonder of open source software. Sometimes crap gets released. But guess what? Every one of us here are supposed to be adults, or at the very least the authorized users of our phones; which means that if we screw something up, or use something that screws up; its our own damn fault. "
This has got to be the stupidest statement I have read in a long time, I can guarantee, If you used a 1-click method and it bricked your phone you would be screaming " where's the oversight in this forum, I cant' believe that that mods would allow faulty programming to be posted."
Jcase I for one am glad you are stepping up and doing what needs to be done to prevent a potential $750 brick, thank you sir.
jcase said:
I never said THEY CANT release, I asked them not to, until we had a safer way and time to check it out. Big difference. I stopped one from going out today that would of more or less ruined phones until someone fixed them.
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I'm not privy to any private conversations, nor do I read every thread here on XDA, so my general impression, which I'm sure is shared based upon what others have said, was of a more explicit "No you cannot," not a "do you mind if I take a peek first". Furthermore, I did not name any one individual "responsible" for any blockade; I only began to interact with you once you brought yourself into the thread. Beyond that, if you go back to my original post, I explicitly thank the people who made root possible at all.
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Fact is, MOST of the one clicks I have seen lately, violate the GPL, why don't you go after them
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For starters I don't know much, if anything about them other than they exist. Unless I personally see something that I think is in violation, I assume good faith. I certainly don't seeking violations.
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or hell even better we could really use you to go after HTC (in all seriousness).
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I'm guessing you're referring to the fact that they didn't release the kernel source as expected this week? I'd mentioned it in another thread, though I don't recall which anymore; but from what I recall of GPLv2 developers have 60 days from the "official" binary release to provide source. To expand on that, HTC has 60 days from when the phone officially went on sale, to provide upon request the source code to any GPL licensed software, however it is version specific. That is to say 60 days from March 17th to make available the source to the firmware that was on the phone when released (since to the best of my knowledge there have been no other OFFICIAL firmware versions released).
Of course any such source will inherently exclude any third party proprietary software, for example if HTC used a closed-source bluetooth stack (not saying they did, just a hypothetical example). Additionally, there isn't any specific method to release stipulated. If HTC wishes they could mail out copies of the source on 3.5" floppies and still be within the rules; and all this assumes GPLv2 is how Android is licensed. If its v3 then I honestly have no clue if any time provisions exist.
I just want to reiterate, I have no ill-will to you nor anyone else. It appears as though the whole issue stems from miscommunication.