I'm a current tmo touch pro2 user, and am thinking about upgrading to HD2. However I'm not so convinced about this after watching the HD2 browser vs Iphone browser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmDmH8lEQJE
It looks like for a phone with this advanced hardware specs and still doesn't perform as well in internet browsing then it's not worth the money for upgrade. Right now I rely heavily on opera mini 5 on touch pro2 but I want to know the opinions from the current HD2 owners.
What browser do you use? And why do you prefer this one?
I am a former iPhone owner and I have an HD2 now. I love it and I would never go back. Mobile Safari is better than Opera 9.7, but the better screen resolution and screen size make the whole internet browsing experience much better on the HD2.
Opera Mobile 10 all the way. Runs fast, looks good. No pinch to zoom; sure, but I never used 9.7 so don't miss it.
Seems like Opera Mobile 10 runs better on HD2 due to the better hardware. I've heard so many complaining about Opera Mobile 10 runs slow and eats too much memory on Touch Pro2 so that's why I stick to Opera Mini 5.
I don't want to stick to Opera Mini 5 as it's kinda made for "dummy phones" and doesn't really show the real potential of the WM device.
By the way, how many of you find the lack of hardware keyboard a problem?
I just installed Opera 10 on my HD2 and I have to say that I was very disappointed. Websites do not render well, much worse than on Opera 9.7. Am I missing something here? I have Opera Turbo disabled, Zoom is by 100% and Mobile version is off..
Try going to www.engadget.com or even www.ppcgeeks.com
Compare Opera 9.7 to Opera 10...big difference and much better on Opera 9.7
Been using Opera 10 last few days, runs like a dream & has built in flash support. Best WM browser I've used so far.
I tried skyfire, but when I learnt that the page is actually rendered on their server, and not on my device, and when they failed to answer a simple question about my credentials when I sign into a secured site,
I stopped using it.
(failed to answer meaning - no one from skyfire team even bothered to reply the question)
So the bottom line -
I would not recommend using this software, as it might actually be spyware.
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Been using Opera 10 last few days, runs like a dream & has built in flash support. Best WM browser I've used so far.
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Apart from flash, can you please enlighten me, what is so much better than Opera 9.7? I tested many websites I regularly visit and all of them rendered much worse than on Opera 9.7
2 reasons im not using opera 10:
My keyboard doesn't work with it (weird...)
and no pinch to zoom... Kills me!
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Apart from flash, can you please enlighten me, what is so much better than Opera 9.7? I tested many websites I regularly visit and all of them rendered much worse than on Opera 9.7
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I find it looks better, layed out better, easier to use with my fat fingers and I think it seems slightly quicker to load pages too.
My main reason for using it is that it is allot easier to use for me with a non stylus device.
Has no pinch to zoom, but if you tap the screen it zooms anyway. And I could never get 9.7 to zoom how I wanted anyway, it always seemed to zoom back out slightly again anyway.
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I find it looks better, layed out better, easier to use with my fat fingers and I think it seems slightly quicker to load pages too.
My main reason for using it is that it is allot easier to use for me with a non stylus device.
Has no pinch to zoom, but if you tap the screen it zooms anyway. And I could never get 9.7 to zoom how I wanted anyway, it always seemed to zoom back out slightly again anyway.
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Yes but what about the layout of web sites? Opera 10 doesn't seem to render pages correctly..There are so many issues with it, I really hate it.
I don't know, I can't say I've noticed it not rendering pages properly here.
Not on the pages I've visited anyway.
using opera 9.5
too lazy to upgrade to 9.7 or even 10
works really fine.
ie is some crap no pinch-to-zoom..thats a no-go
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I'm a former iPhone user too, and the browsing experience on the HD2 is far better than the iPhone. The screen is bigger and allows you to view more of the page at once, and the processor allows it to browse much more briskly. ie: The HD2 browses faster over 3G, than my iPhone does over WIFI. On the iPhone, I usually have to view mobile versions of pages. The HD2 is big and fast enough, to load full-pages, with full flash support (with Skyfire).
I primarily use Opera 10 as my main browser. Its super fast, has a nice interface, and renders pages really well. The only downside is that it lacks pinch to zoom, but I honestly don't ever need it. I hardly ever used pinch to zoom on my iPhone. Double tap to zoom is easier to use, and can be done with one hand.
If you can't live without Pinch to zoom, you can always use the Opera 9 browser that comes stock with the HD2. It isn't quite as fast as Opera 10...its probably just a little bit faster than the iPhone's Safari browser.
When I find myself wanting to view pages with flash, I use Skyfire, which have full flash support. Lack of flash support is the iPhone's biggest draw-back IMO, and Apple doesn't seem interested in ever bringing it to the iPhone....even the iPad (which is an oversized iPhone anyway) doesn't support it. You can also tweak Opera 9 with flash lite, which gives it limited flash support.
The HD2 wins in the browsing department IMO, if only because you have choices.
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Yes but what about the layout of web sites? Opera 10 doesn't seem to render pages correctly..There are so many issues with it, I really hate it.
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I agree with HTC_Junglist - Opera 10 renders web pages fine for me. I can only guess that you're talking about the fact that it does not use text reflow, and has blocks of text set to fit the zoomed in display, rather than the full screen one. That's so that you can zoom in on a part of the page and actually get that part of the page, unlike previous version of Opera (that had text reflow). Also, the zoomed out view is for moving the page round, not for reading it. That's why it's only 1 touch to zoom in to read, and 1 touch to zoom out again. It's by design and if you get into it it's way better than any previous versions. I hated it at first, but after a few days I grew to love it and could now not revert back to the sluggish and fiddly 9.7.
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I'm a former iPhone user too, and the browsing experience on the HD2 is far better than the iPhone. The screen is bigger and allows you to view more of the page at once, and the processor allows it to browse much more briskly. ie: The HD2 browses faster over 3G, than my iPhone does over WIFI. On the iPhone, I usually have to view mobile versions of pages. The HD2 is big and fast enough, to load full-pages, with full flash support (with Skyfire).
I primarily use Opera 10 as my main browser. Its super fast, has a nice interface, and renders pages really well. The only downside is that it lacks pinch to zoom, but I honestly don't ever need it. I hardly ever used pinch to zoom on my iPhone. Double tap to zoom is easier to use, and can be done with one hand.
If you can't live without Pinch to zoom, you can always use the Opera 9 browser that comes stock with the HD2. It isn't quite as fast as Opera 10...its probably just a little bit faster than the iPhone's Safari browser.
When I find myself wanting to view pages with flash, I use Skyfire, which have full flash support. Lack of flash support is the iPhone's biggest draw-back IMO, and Apple doesn't seem interested in ever bringing it to the iPhone....even the iPad (which is an oversized iPhone anyway) doesn't support it. You can also tweak Opera 9 with flash lite, which gives it limited flash support.
The HD2 wins in the browsing department IMO, if only because you have choices.
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Your post is completely in contrast from what the youtube video is suggesting... I'm glad I can get different opinions here. Thank you!
I tried using Opera 10 with my favorite sites and it really doesn't work well for me. Try for example www.kicker.de
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I tried using Opera 10 with my favorite sites and it really doesn't work well for me. Try for example www.kicker.de
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Looks fine to me. I take it you see something different?
petvas said:
I tried using Opera 10 with my favorite sites and it really doesn't work well for me. Try for example www.kicker.de
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Here is how it looks for me, this is one tap zoomed too.
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A little Hate To Everyone!
I'm very disappointed to every web browser for PDA
1. IE I Sucks! Big Time nothing more to tell everyone knows
2. Minimo SUCKS! not full web browser
3. Opera Mini ummm Java to bad if you have a WM Phone we need more power
4. Opera Mobile 8.5 kind of sucks... 9.5 ummmm to many laboratory rat versions... ummm tacking to long to solve Flash Problems pure render phones like mogul with less ram get stock and run out of memory in big pages....
5. Skyfire **** that People I once think that they can do it well nop taking to long to have nice fully working fully open to everyone **** subscribing
6. and last but not least FIREFOX ummmm over promised under delivered we have not seen up today any cab file...
Sorry I have not seen yet any full browser that can run flawless in a mogul with full flesh flash 9 and beyond and nice frame rate with video....
I have a 400MHZ processor 64 MB of RAM come on I have less power on some linux servers and they can pull it out a nice web experience...
Can your Linux server call people? wirelessly and can you put it in your pocket thing is if we put a 2.4ghz CPU in there the Battery wouldnt last the first second PIE Plus is ok i like it thats what i use
Opera Mini supports my needs just fine. I can access EVERY site even online banking and it's fast. What's your gripe about it? Seriously there really is no END-ALL to mobile browsers, maybe YOU should create one? Not only solves your problem, but you'd probably become extremely famous. Sounds like a win-win, no?
It's just a damn shame that Apple will never release Safari for windows mobile. On my ipod it works pretty damn nice. But I can't see Jobs ever being that nice to us windows guys.
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It's just a damn shame that Apple will never release Safari for windows mobile. On my ipod it works pretty damn nice. But I can't see Jobs ever being that nice to us windows guys.
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haha - just had a revelation - Us Windows guys want the IPhone interface (think SPB shell, Winterface etc) and the Apple guys want Windows stuff (more apps that work better, ability to sync with computers running Windows, Microsoft exchange support and copy/paste).
If you're really that bitter about all the mobile web browsers then maybe you should carry a laptop around with you. IE is my browser of choice and it serves my purposes well. Learn to work with what you have.
I share your frustration. Mostly it lies with Microsoft. They haven't done any major upgrades to PIE since WINCE 4.2 (and probably before that). It took Apple to show get them to even start working on it.
If someone does come up with the perfect solution, I'll buy it (or subscribe, if I must!).
Rob
Safari Wins By long shot
Safari wins by a long shot when it comes to mobile Internet Browsers. In as much as I am pissed, I just dont browse the net anymore on my phones. Its too stressful.And just far from doing the job. I only like Opera Mini, the rest can go to sleep.
Netfront
Have you tried Netfront 3.5? I use it almost exclusively, and I think it's better than every browser you mentioned, including skyfire (bleh) and Opera Mobile 9.5 (double beh).
Mobile Safari doesn't support flash either, this guy needs to CREATE his own solution.
yep, apple's browser is also crippled without flash support. the interface is slick though.
I use mostly Netfront and Skyfire, depending on what I need to do. Skyfire is very promising, but its still beta, and takes too long to render simple mostly-text pages like forums (since each page is basically a rendered screen shot).
Netfront seems to be the quickest for me for most things otherwise, and is the most versatile with tabs and such.
But its not like I expect my phone to be a laptop, so I know it has shortcomings.
To the OP,
Why spread all that negativity? To each it's own, obviously there's different browsers b/c people have different preferences. Sounds, like you'd be better off with carrying a laptop or UMPC.
Me personally, Opera 9.5 works for me and for those sites it doesn't work on, Skyfire does the job for me. Opera mini, is set as my default browser and is fast enough for me.
i personally dont mind pocket IE with PIEPLUS 2.2 it adds the save link as option i always needed. opera mini works as a backup when some text feilds are unavailable in PIE. like this reply box
I agree 100% with the OP. Browsers on WinMo DO suck. Opera makes things a little better, and Skyfire isn't that bad, but IMHO it is the responsibility of Microsoft to fire the entire PIE team and hire some real developers. People who understand usability, interfaces and performance. It's saying something when HTC need to turn to Opera to get their hands on a better browser.
PIE is a total piece of crap, and has been for years. They keep making us thing that the next version of WinMo will have an improved browser, but it never does. Phone CPU speeds and transfer speeds have been increasing for years, but that turd PIE still chugs along at a snails pace.
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haha - just had a revelation - Us Windows guys want the IPhone interface (think SPB shell, Winterface etc) and the Apple guys want Windows stuff (more apps that work better, ability to sync with computers running Windows, Microsoft exchange support and copy/paste).
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This would be the true convergence.
NetFront
I am not sure if I got a bad version of this (mine said 3.5 I thought) from this link here. . My filename was NFB35EN_WMPRO_R007CV.CAB. Post your version if you have something else.
I have been running this for a few now, and there is certainly something funny with the fonts coming up in Courier (goes away if you choose Tahoma), I don't like the way it looks.
I must be missing something with the encrypted page popup, but I cant get many of my "tough" pages to load. Please let me know if this is something I have wrong in my setup, or if there are workarounds.
Played around with Skyfire and it is much better for my difficult pages and seems to be the only browser that runs Chaperone online version. Though it is a little slower than Opera, it is much more user friendly than NetFront at least from the five minutes I played with it. I hope I am wrong.
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Have you tried Netfront 3.5? I use it almost exclusively, and I think it's better than every browser you mentioned, including skyfire (bleh) and Opera Mobile 9.5 (double beh).
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Hi PhilR8,
I've tried in the past to acquire NetFront with no luck. Is it only available exclusively?
Fennec is our best hope I think (the WinMo version of Firefox) that is still in development. It exists, they're working on it, and I'd expect to see it this year. The Firefox guys know what they're doing and their goals for the platform are what we need.
Hey everyone,
Let me start off by saying that this is not a promo or hate post for the iPhone.
I was always a WM user, had a Trinity for a few years and loved it. I went to the iPhone and I must admit it is much better than the WM in many ways. Months later I heard about the HD, I have it now but after using the iPhone I feel such a diconnect with WM. I used the HD with a few various ROMs but went back to the iPhone due to the superior integartion of software and hardware, everything just seems to work so much better. Now my HD is just collecting dust. I know that the HD is a much superior device in hardware (except for the touch screen-I am not talking about resolution). There are a bunch of little things that annoy me about the HD and I know it is just software realated. For instance, I can't even go on the Facebook site with Opera Mobile, looking at pictures just does not work properly. Youtube video are not as smooth or high quality partly due to lack of 3G, I am in Canada. I know this can't be changed but still a bit of a bother. The camera is 5mp but I can't even take pictures of my 1 year old son without blurring due to the shutter speed. I read many threads and hacks but it is just overwelming. Can you guys make a few suggestions as I really like the HD and want to use it instead of the iPhone. How can I get faster browsing on EDGE? I don't care about streaming Youtube but is there at least an option to download Youtube videos in HiDef to watch at a later time? I don't want to ramble on and I hope you understand what I am asking, any help is appreciated.
Yes, I do like and I don't mind tweaking my phone.
If you really like the IPhone's simplicity check this out: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=473116&highlight=finger+friendly
to download youtube vids look at this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427702
for facebook just set your browser to iphone.facebook.com (isntead of m.facebook.com).
Other browsers are faster than Opera but I have a 3G Touch Pro and an Edge Touch HD and the speed difference actually isn't that much - just a few seconds no a full page. You can try to use Iris Browser (it is based on webkit so it looks iPhony) or NetFront or SkyFire (fastest but not high resolution yet).
Also have a look at Opera Mini not Mobile that comes installed on our THD. This browser is fast.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469469&highlight=opera
I recommend Opera Mini v4.2.13216 if you don't want to do any tweaking.
Concerning the camera: I recently compared it to the iPhone camera under daylight conditions and the HD camera really is about 10 times better. The pictures are very sharp, there's no grain and you can zoom in 4 times and still see details.
The iPhone pictures were blurres, zooming in was useless and they were grainy even in brigt daylight.
I suggest you disable the shutter sound and set the picture quality to 'super-fine'. I took photos with the HD while skiing, which makes it impossible to hold the phone still and the pictures were perfect nevertheless.
Concerning Facebook, try using another browser like Iris, Internet Explorer or Skyfire (which is not yet released but will definitely be able to display any website, including video).
Next, I have to say that my HD recently annoyed me a lot and I already thought of getting an iPhone (again).
I tried to replace all the Windows Mobile applications with finger-friendly alternatives and was quite successful (see the video bugsykoosh posted earlier).
However, Winterface caused crashes and could not make me happy at all (in fact, I was even more annoyed by the crashes and the lack of beutiful animations like the ones on the iPhone).
Then I made a WAD2 skin using bluemetalaxe's realize iconset and the iPhone-like launch animations. Now, everything runs smooth again. No crashes anymore, an interface that's completely customizable and beautiful and launching applications is fun
I then installed FingerMenu and replaced all the horrible green with a nice blue and now I love my HD again!
OK, that's my story... please excuse my any bad grammar in my story as I'm not English
i looked up bluemetalaxe threads and i ended up with huge sets of icons and i have no idea how to assigne them or how they would look like on my hd :S can you please post screens for your hd and how it looks like now and direct us to the thread with the instructions to follow ? please.. this sounds so interesting to my and i am actually bored with the touchflow style and capabilities :\
There is nothing wrong with wanting the iPhone if you don't need to switch in spare battery during the day, do not require GPS, and do not keep important excel, power point, and word document on your device.
iPhone is an extremely attractive product. The user interface, smoothness of operation is way ahead of winmo devices'.
However, if your need could only be met by HD, like in my case, you would have to sadly give up the extremly sexy user experience.
To mimic that interface, if you really really like iPhone's UI, I recommend using Vito's Winterface. It is as close as you could get to program launching and navigation. Without complication.
Then, start replacing and looking for finger friendly software to replace the older ones that you had collected. For example, replace the standard contact application with Inesoft Phone 4, may be also use its fovourites (althernatively you can use Winterface's). Use Vito's SMS Chat to replace the SMS. Opera browser is good, but check out Opera mini (It's fast, and scrolling is just as good as Safari's). Use ThumbCal for Calendar for example. Use Google Map with Street View to beat iPhone's standard google map. Use Vito Audio NOtes Touch for voice and call recording. Have you tried Web Video Downloader? It lets you watch not just youtube but every other type of flash websites too, with better video quality downloaded or watched instantly. Try out Panaromic Calc Pro for calculator
GPS applications is the area that winmo devices really shines over iPhone. I have TomTOm7, Garman, Mapking, and iGO8 on my devices. In Australia, I use only TomTom but I use others while travelling overseas.
DOn't forget SoftMaker for desktop class functionality in word processing, spreadsheet and presentation. Or use it just to open attachments without losing any formatting.
The day before yesterday, I was using TF3D, customized with wallpaper on every tab and applications changed with SSMaPa. Today, mine desktop is based on Winterface. Tommorrow? May be SPB Mobile Shell again. This is so much fun playing with all types of software. It makes my toy brand new again each day. Yes, it can be a little laggy at times with tons of software installed. It may also freeze my device once in a while. But, I get to play, and the device serves my need.
Its not just the iphones UI which is better, its the quality of its apps. Developers make more efort with the iphone. Just compare shazam on WM to shazam on iphone, and also lastfm, facebook etc.
Commercial developement for WM has stopepd, everyone develops for iphone now.
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Its not just the iphones UI which is better, its the quality of its apps. Developers make more efort with the iphone. Just compare shazam on WM to shazam on iphone, and also lastfm, facebook etc.
Commercial developement for WM has stopepd, everyone develops for iphone now.
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Not to mention a iPhone app is 2-3 USD/EUR, while WM apps are like 20 USD.
SO WTF !!!?!? why should we pay more, how more supperior is WM apps against iphone. with NOTHING, in fact, i have 4-5 apps for HD that actually use the HD capabilities (screen res and accelerometer) while, ALL applications on iPhone look better, work better and are cheaper.
There is a commercial product i looked at last days (can't remember, something like a chat program), WM version was 19,99 USD, while iPhone was 3.9 USD .. so again WTF ?!
THAT is why iPhone gains so much momentum. (and because of the capacitive screen )
As an ex-HD2 owner who sadly had to abort the handset due to call and text problems *but loved it other than that, can those who have used the iPhone 3GS tell me how web browsing compares? I know the screen is smaller and the resolution isn't as good, but how is the speed? Does the larger processor in the HD2 render websites faster or is the iPhone just as good (or maybe even better) in this respect? Thanks in advance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOV7PH3J0j0
iphone 3GS is fast enough, but HD2 is faster and the websites look much better.
I think iphone handles links better.
I'd say about as good, but in a different way. I prefer the HD2 due to the much better screen, but there are some annoyances with Opera.
Advantages of the HD2 are:
- bigger, higher resolution (=much better) screen
- text reflow
- more powerful browser (e.g. no hacks needed to download files and save them anywhere)
- much faster page loading with Opera Turbo turned on and faster rendering in general
Annoyances of the HD2 are:
- though text reflow is nice, I find it particularly annoying that Opera always jumps to different locations of the site instead of where you actually zoomed
- pinch zooming is too slow (i.e. the zoom rate should be higher, it should follow your fingers like on the iPhone)
Why don't you get an HTC Bravo in March? I think that one will beat both the HD2 and the iPhone for web browsing (and beat the iPhone in pretty much every aspect and the HD2 in some aspects as well).
(and it won't have a text messaging problem, since that was caused by HTC trying to replace the stock Windows Mobile messaging application - a stupid decision)
Hd2 is faster and bigger screen on opera mini but get a good full screen browser on the iphone like the Atom web browser or Perfect browser and you wont miss much.
GSM comparison confirms that the hd2 and mini is fastest!
http://www.gsmarena.com/browser_shootout-review-448p2.php
Iphone is easily the best single handset though in my opinion. WM dont give a crap about its userbase.
Iphone is easily the best single handset though in my opinion. WM dont give a crap about its userbase.
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Yeah, sure
Its inferiority in almost every aspect certainly makes it by far the best handset you can waste your money on...
But let's close this, before people start to burn you, shall we? Cause thanks to your (off-topic) post, this thread is now destined to go down in flames, anyway.
It's not particularly wise to voice a fanboyish opinion, infused by the Apple reality-distortion-field, on a Windows Mobile/Android forum.
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Guys,
The OP has asked a perfectly reasonable question and is looking for sensible answers.
Can we please make sure that comments like this "WM dont give a crap about its userbase" which will result in the thread being ruined, are not used.
Rule is simple: if you have nothing to offer the OP that is constructive then don't post at all.
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Hi Freyberry.
In your post a bit earlier you mentioned Opera is much faster with Opera turbo turned on.
How do i turn it on?
Thanks
EDIT: No worries. Just found it under config. Thanks
Overall the iPhone is a better web experience, despite the smaller screen. This can easily change though as it's not a hardware issue, rather just the fact Safari is better than anything currently available for the HD2 or any Windows Mobile device.
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Overall the iPhone is a better web experience, despite the smaller screen. This can easily change though as it's not a hardware issue, rather just the fact Safari is better than anything currently available for the HD2 or any Windows Mobile device.
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lol... thats a very subjective comment.... having used both an HD2 and an iPhone 3Gs extensively i completely disagree. In my opinion... the browsing experience on the HD2 far outweighs the 3GS in pretty much all aspects.
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... the browsing experience on the HD2 far outweighs the 3GS in pretty much all aspects.
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Except for the annoyances I mentioned above. Safari is definitely a lot smoother in general.
But of course, the larger screen, text reflow etc. make up for that.
With the bad screen, you also need to zoom a lot more on the iPhone. Thus, it should be smoother, cause otherwise, with all the zooming you have to do, it would get really annoying.
Again, why an iPhone for web browsing?
I think the HTC Bravo (Nexus One) offers easily the best browsing experience, with a screen almost as good as the HD2's and a browser almost as smooth as the iPhone's.
And like the HD2, it's better than the iPhone in pretty much every aspect (and even better than the HD2 in some):
Hardware comparable to the HD2 (no crappy camera, low res screen and low quality materials like the iPhone), software almost as customizable as the HD2's, but at the same time almost as smooth as the iPhone's, plus a huge application market, like the iPhone.
if you use skyfire you get the best match to desktop browsing which the iphone cannot come close too. Proven to be the fastest as well
Is there any specific reason why people don't include latest Opera 10 Mobile in their ROMs?
Thank you.
I'm about to switch back to 9.7. I think it's faster and smoother than O 10. A lot of people (myself included) don't like the "pinch to zoom" in O 10. Or lack thereof i should say. It's not "true" pinch to zoom. But primarily, I think 9.7 is smoother and faster and uses lest memory...(i think)
Frankly, because 9.7 is superior in most ways.
I prefer 9.7 over 10, It's faster.
It's strange, because I have never found that 9.7 was faster than 10 in anything.
The only thing that 10 does not have is "pinch to zoom," which I don't use often enough to miss, because it requires two fingers instead of one.
Can some of you 9.7 die hard fans please explain why (other than pinch to zoom) you feel that 10 has less desirable features? I just don't see it that way after comparing the two, I always find myself gravitating back to 10 as my default browser. I find that it renders faster, scrolls faster, etc. and that is all I need.
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I can honestly say that Opera 10 was much slower than 9.7. That's what turned me off from it. Also I never had any use for Flash either so thats another reason for myself
The final version?
Did you use Opera Turbo in v.10?
I'm just really trying to wrap my mind around this, because no matter what sites I try, I cannot get 9.7 to outperform 10. It's always the opposite.
I preffer opera 9.7 because, no matter what you try, 10 won't draw the pages pixel-correct (you can notice it in slanted edges in pictures). In 9.7, all you have to do is go to opera:config, and under Adaptive Zoom, change Default Zoom to 100 and Virtual Screen Width to 1024 (this last one is because most pages online are created around a 1024 screen width, which opera uses for some reason to decide page layout, and this value is used when viewing the full page at default (non zoomed-in) zoom). When you double-tap, the default screen zoom is 100%, and images are drawn pixel perfect.
Opera mini 5 also draws pages correctly, and, were it not that it's not really a browser, is a better browser than 9.7 or 10 in terms of page layout. 10 just doesn't work... Guess I'll just wait for Fennec or (oh, please, please) Chrome for WinMo.
You do realize that development on Fennec for WinMo has halted, right? They are only developing for Android now.
i don't get what's the big deal about people not including it in their roms...
you can get it via opera's website anytime anyways...
For me 9.7 just feels more polished and renders pages better than 10. 10 always felt a little more sloppy than 9.7 but thats just me.
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i don't get what's the big deal about people not including it in their roms...
you can get it via opera's website anytime anyways...
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Cause most of us prefer 9.7 to 10! If you want 10 it is available in many flavors in cab form. Why is that so hard to understand.
I suppose it matters more for Euro users, because I cannot imagine being able to fill up the 1GB ROM on my TMOUS HD2. I have installed every app I use to the internal memory and I still have over 600MB left in the internal storage. With the Euro version, I got as low as 90MB, which is still not bad.
I never use 9.7, but I guess I don't mind having it cooked into the ROM. I still install 10 and make it my default browser, just because I like the UI and it feels more comfortable to me.
You know after a couple days flip flopping between the 2, 10 with turbo is very fast. I am consistantly getting pages loading quicker in 10. Cnn for instance loaded up much quicker for me images and all on 10.
Also the swipe scrolling is as smooth as webkit with very little checker boarding. My only gripe is how it looks at full page on certain swipes before zoom. Specifically, the way the page wraps a little tight on full page view.
To each their own I guess.
Opera 10 is crap, that's why it's not included, and I'm a huge opera fan (Windows). 9.7 is pretty good, not up to Android's webkit browser's level though.
Not using Opera 10 because of the zoom, not sure about the speed, but i do like the tabs with pictures on the Opera 10
What I don't like about Opera, is that it doesn't make the sites mobile. I mean with Iphone's safari and android browser, when you go to, say Gmail, it has a fancy mobile design. With opera - not.
How can this be turned on?
a5med said:
What I don't like about Opera, is that it doesn't make the sites mobile. I mean with Iphone's safari and android browser, when you go to, say Gmail, it has a fancy mobile design. With opera - not.
How can this be turned on?
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Settings > Display
Nope didn't help, still that ugly google and facebook and everything.
a5med said:
Nope didn't help, still that ugly google and facebook and everything.
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did it change at all? or it did change but it looks ugly?
Im planning to buy a DHD, and the web browsing experience is one of the the most important factor for me. How good is it? im a fairly tech savy guy so im willing to root/install custom roms/OC/remove bloatware whatever to improve the performance of my phone.
Im looking for speed and usuability( i heard android is really laggy when pinching to zoom, scrolling etc ).
Please make comparisons to other flagship android devices, iphone 4 and wp7.
android offers the same high quality web expirence as every other device if anything its better because you also get embedded flash elements that work HOWEVER!
if you are on a page with lots of flash advertisments and other flash content it can lag but this is fixed by changing the settings so that it only loads these elements on demand or not at all
so to close it is as fluid as all other platforms it is not laggy, slow ect unless you have flash enabled, and are on a page full of ads (i dont think flash is properly hardware accelerated yet)
now lastly the DHD however is surprisinly fast with full flash enabled ive only had slowdown when running a 720p video off of the desktop youtube page
Agree with noobdeagle.
I can only compare to my last device, a HTC HD2 - the Opera browser and default browsers yield a much smoother browsing experience (however I could not get Opera to force desktop versions of web pages).
At the moment DolphinHD is my browser of preference on my DesireHD.
So far I haven't noticed any lag on any of the browsers or any of the websites I frequent. Realistically, I know not to expect a 100% equivalent desktop browser experience but it's been great so far.
On my old Touch HD I used Opera as my main browser and I was thinking about getting it on my new DHD.
However, since I started using this default browser on DHD I don't think I'm goning to change it to anything else. This browser gives you a lot of flexibility in zooming pages + it always reformats all text so it fits in the screen and Opera can't do that as good.
Same time it works fast and smoothly so I'm very happy with browsing experience.
Best I've known on mobile device, without getting to silly extremes like the dell streak, the galaxy tab or the iPad. Personally I prefer it to all of those. If web browsing is one of the main things you will do with the dhd I don't think it will let you down.
read any desire HD review and the browsing will be praised and then more for what the big screen offers in readability
the Desire HD also features improved font definition
for flash i use the default browser on demand, flash especially flash video is much faster than old old desire/nexus one
for normal non flash sites i use opera mobile beta, that thing is butter smooth
pretty much browsing speed + bigger screen is the highlight of this phone