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Hi all,
Yeeeah, so the Leo was finally announced at the major/best 3G network in Denmark, the worldwide operator "3". And thats awesome, so of course I hit my wallet and cashed out and got the phone yesterday. Brilliant.
Got the phone in my hand, my god, its beautiful and all, its my first PDA phone so I'm very noobish and overwhelmed by everything, but I'm lovin' it so far! Okay, well I started looking around on the big www and came across this fantastic site and now I'm thinking, I wanna get involved with this shizzle and start cooking - or at least start looking at the menu!!
But I realize that I don't know anything about how to do all this, so started looking around in the Leo Wiki, Tips and Tricks sticky and so on but I feel that its all very comprehensive and I simply don't know where to start, and I don't think the (otherwise awesome) guides are as extensive as could, at least not for my understanding. I haven't come across a newb forum/thread where all the very, very basics are introduced/discussed, so I'm thinking: any noobs out there? or post-noobs? who wanna share some of their mighty wisdom and experience with me? (yeah, I want some Leo-friends)
Okay, so I found a few things I wanna try:
From Leo hints and tricks sticky:
7. Get the old Task Manager Back
To be able to really close programs using the X instead of just 'minimizing' the program and leaving it in memory,
install Duttys HTC Task Manager (attached below), restart and the X is back. Also in Settings you can configure its function.
8. Add Task Manager to Home Screen Quick Links
Copy the hidden TaskMgr.exe file from your Windows folder to your Start Menu/Programs folder. Now it's possible to place a shortcut on your Manila today and you can open/close running programs with ease.
So how do I install this dutty cab? I mean I downloaded it, but where do I unpack it, and how do I run it on my phone?
Okay, next thing:
The location on "my today" is wrong, I saw in the tips and tricks that a lot of users had issues with this, but how can that be? There isn't any way to fix it, cause mine is showing that i'm about 15 clicks away from where I really am, but the navigator works fine? :S
3rd thing:
My network only provided me with a 2gb sdhc card, so if I want to tuck in a 16gb baby how will it work because the OS is stored on the sdhc card, or is it only in the ROM?
Another thing, I see the ROM upgrade from the danish HTC website is newer than the one installed on my phone, but do you think that I should upgrade to the 1.6 which is leaked here, or should I start with the HTC official rom from the website?
WARNING: some danish might appear when clicking here (this is the danish HTC ROM link, look at bottom of page)
I have about a zillion other questions, but my mind is empty right now. I really hope that I'm not out of line when posting this topic, and I hope to hear from some friendly HTC lovers Please let me know if this topic is not appropriate and I'll edit/delete it. (yes I did read the RULES)
Kind Regards
Welcome and Hello
I`ll take 5 minutes to write a reply seeing as no one else can be bothered.....
Welcome to the forum, you`ll find all you need here, My advise would be to READ READ READ , and if you have any questions SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH, you`ll get flamed if you post something thats been posted before, even though if you do post, it moves from the first 2 pages so fast hence no answers......
16gb sd card will work fine,
Read carefully the goldcard method for updating ROMS and only if you feel confident enough would i recomend it...I`ve flashed 1.61 no issues....
Richie
same as i am......i am currently waiting for my beast and been reading and reading and reading this forum all this while........but the problem is.....i am a really3 noobie person on IT....some topic that were discuss here i can understand but some of have no idea at alll...hehehheh hopefully can get some knowledge from u guys.......[please forgive my english...heheheh]
Hi WildL,
I understand the noob feelings. Although this site has a wealth of information, it's not the noob friendliest place.
.cab files are like .exe files for your pc. You don't unpack it anywhere, simply copy/download to your device and run (click on it through file manager) it from where ever you saved it. It will unpack itself and install. Your only option generally is to install directly onto your device or onto your SD card.
Not sure on the location thing as I haven't experienced it.
For your SD card, there is nothing on there you have to worry about. The ROM is stored on the device and the card is simply additional storage. Feel free to shove a new one in there.
As for changing ROMs. As a noob, stick to stock updates for now. You're on the newest device with all the newest features so custom roms won't offer much except little tweaks (but the phone is fast enough already) and additional apps you can just install yourself. Some MAY be more stable but current it's not worth the risk of bricking your device. Read read read and when you feel comfortable and think your ready, then start looking into cooked roms.
Good luck!
WildL said:
7. Get the old Task Manager Back
To be able to really close programs using the X instead of just 'minimizing' the program and leaving it in memory,
install Duttys HTC Task Manager (attached below), restart and the X is back. Also in Settings you can configure its function.
8. Add Task Manager to Home Screen Quick Links
Copy the hidden TaskMgr.exe file from your Windows folder to your Start Menu/Programs folder. Now it's possible to place a shortcut on your Manila today and you can open/close running programs with ease.[/I]
So how do I install this dutty cab? I mean I downloaded it, but where do I unpack it, and how do I run it on my phone?
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I'd recommend you use this instead...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=584415
It means you have the X which you can configure to close apps or minimize them (you can open settings for it by tapping it on the sense ui and going to the wrench). You can also list open apps from the sense ui by clicking it and simply switch to or close anything in the list. Have a play - it's the best all-round solution.
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Okay, next thing:
The location on "my today" is wrong, I saw in the tips and tricks that a lot of users had issues with this, but how can that be? There isn't any way to fix it, cause mine is showing that i'm about 15 clicks away from where I really am, but the navigator works fine? :S
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At least your location works! lol
It uses your provider's network to get your location - not GPS. It's always going to be within a mile or 2. Since it's only meant for general info, it doesn't really matter much. I doubt the weather 2 miles down the road is much different than it is where you are
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3rd thing:
My network only provided me with a 2gb sdhc card, so if I want to tuck in a 16gb baby how will it work because the OS is stored on the sdhc card, or is it only in the ROM?
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The SD card is purely for storage. You can take it out and the phone will still function properly. This obviously changes if you install software on the card. Unfortunately, the HD2 has a pitiful amount of internal storage memory, so I'd actually recommend using the card to install stuff on. With this in mind, I got myself a 16GB SD card and use that, treating it as if I'll never remove it. I'd obviously recommend this, cos it's what I do
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Another thing, I see the ROM upgrade from the danish HTC website is newer than the one installed on my phone, but do you think that I should upgrade to the 1.6 which is leaked here, or should I start with the HTC official rom from the website?
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If your phone is pretty new and you've not done much setting up, it's probably the best time to make sure you've got the most up-to-date ROM. If you got the phone from a provider then you can officially only upgrade using ROMs that they supply. If you got it completely SIM free, then you can use the HTC ones that are out there. The current new one (1.61) is actually an official HTC one, so it will be as risk free as flashing a ROM can ever be. It's just not officially released yet. (I believe HTC "leak" their ROMs so that this community can beta test for them, before they release to the general public, but that's just my belief )
Since the phone is still so new though, I don't really think that it makes much difference. The ROM upgrades seem to be doing so little at the minute that you may well not notice any benefits.
Either way, if it's official, you've at least got some comeback if it bricks your new phone!
Basically, this is just a preference. Do what you think feels right. Just bear in mind that a ROM flash means a hard reset, which means setting EVERYTHING up again, from scratch.
WildL said:
I have about a zillion other questions, but my mind is empty right now. I really hope that I'm not out of line when posting this topic, and I hope to hear from some friendly HTC lovers Please let me know if this topic is not appropriate and I'll edit/delete it. (yes I did read the RULES)
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Well you're in the best place to ask your zillion other questions. This is the right place to ask this kind of question, and I'm sure that there'll be plenty of people to follow me in welcoming you here. I've been a member of this community for just over 18 months now, and it's been great. There's a lot of good people on here who are more than happy to show off their knowledge er... I mean be helpful! lol
Have fun with your new toy
Well first off it sucks that I only have 23 mb left after owning the phone for about 30 hours T_T but how come it says theres only 181mb left? is it just because windows can't see some of the files (like the windows folder)? because Im supposed to have 512mb right? :/
The rest is used by the system (ROM). You can only access those 181MB.
Yes, it really sucks that there's so little storage left, especially with the Album, Youtube and browser cache growing so fast that they eat the whole storage withing just a few days. The Marketplace, that only installs to the internal memory, enforces the problem even more. This is a HUGE problem for non-powerusers, who get their applications from there and don't know how to delete the caches.
- delete the Opera executables (\Windows\Opera9.exe and OperaL.exe)
- delete the Youtube cache (located in \Windows\Youtube\),
- search the forum about how to relocate the Album cache
- install all your programs to the storage card, when possible.
I have a feeling that this is "design" faulty. HTC should not provide 512MB ROM. The ROM "image" is taken 300MB already.
If HD2 taken so much of "Total Storage", why in the first place HTC decided 512MB ROM? Might as well give it 8GB right away.
There's something not right with HD2 initial first batch. Camera, SMS, storage, ghost-screen, hyper-sensitive touch, etc. Too many problems....
They should have at least provided enough so that non-powerusers would not run into problems.
And Microsoft should finally make the Marketplace install programs to the storage card.
It doesn't make sense to sell a phone that has an application store but not enough memory to buy applications from it.
Other than that, I don't have any of the problems you mentioned. It's a pity that there have been so many issues, but on the other hand, I can't think of any smartphone that was flawless from the day it was released. It shouldn't be like that, but unfortunately it is, it's a sad truth and HTC is no exception.
But at least we didn't have to wait any longer for the phone... I personally prefer some small issues to having to wait forever...
with so many models HTC has established, this is the "wierdest" model they have ever made..."design" failure issue...I would certainly advice potential buyers to wait for next batch (any idea when) to come out or wait for their super-android model(s) (Nexus One...?)
The next batch won't have more memory and the rest of the issues is software, so waiting doesn't make much sense.
pray hard so that the next batch will have less "image" ROM. 300MB is too high for 512MB ROM. So the next batch "will" be shipped with fresh new stock ROM having much more stable system.
As of now, we have to play around with current situation.
There's nothing wrong with the design, per se. There's just a lot of bloatware and the pagepool setting (normally high for stock ROM) that take up the majority of the memory.
Talk about PagePool, what's the default PP for HD2? 8PP?
lude219 said:
There's nothing wrong with the design, per se. There's just a lot of bloatware and the pagepool setting (normally high for stock ROM) that take up the majority of the memory.
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I think ClearTemp should help you delete some ofthe cache and temp files...
Thanks everyone, annoying though that its not just me, that its the problem with all the HD2
When a hardspl comes out Im sure if I flash my device with a cooked rom, it will be alot better as they wont have so much crap on... am I right?
...Till then, use sk tools 4. something something .15 (better HD2 compatability) AutoClean clears youtube and album cache. If you don.t use copilot delete the folder located in program files, it saves aprox 18mb of storage.
Why is there a thread on this? all the info here can be found in the wiki.
1: Internal memory of the phone is used for the rom
2: why does it matter when the price of memory is insanely cheap
3: there is a thread like this in EVERY device forum
on top of this why are you all moaning about the internal memory of the HD2? personally, i would never install ANYTHING to internal memory as this is the "dedicated space" for your cooked rom when they become available and they will get bloated and all of it will be needed!
just because you get a cooked rom it doesnt mean that "there will be less crap on it" it just means that the rom chef has put the crap they want into it.
you can get a 1-32Gb storage card from ebay for about £6.99, buy one and put it in, install everything (other than system installs eg manila files & stuff that needs to be in the windows dir) to the SD card!
this is the most advanced handset on the market yet people are moaning about it for every/any reason under the sun!!
MG
on top of this why are you all moaning about the internal memory of the HD2? personally, i would never install ANYTHING to internal memory as this is the "dedicated space" for your cooked rom when they become available and they will get bloated and all of it will be needed!
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The "average consumer" soes not know about cooked ROMs and has no idea how to buz applications from outside the Marketplace, which always installs to the internal memory.
This means the low internal memory is a HUGE problem. Not for us, but for most HD2 users, who are not powerusers.
You're right, it is the most advanced handset on the market and all the moaning is annoying, but this really IS a huge issue (and actually it is the ONLY real issue). They are advertising this device to consumers but fail to make it useable for the average consumer, who has no idea about deleting caches, flashing ROMs and installing to the storage card.
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The "average consumer" soes not know about cooked ROMs and has no idea how to buz applications from outside the Marketplace, which always installs to the internal memory.
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Err, no when you install an app you get the option to install to internal or SD card!
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This means the low internal memory is a HUGE problem. Not for us, but for most HD2 users, who are not powerusers.
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Adding an SD card is not a power user addition to the device! HTC even provide one of roughly 2Gb size in the HD2 box...put it in the device. this is not poweruser, any chimp can do that.
seed_al said:
You're right, it is the most advanced handset on the market and all the moaning is annoying, but this really IS a huge issue (and actually it is the ONLY real issue).
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No, go on ebay and buy an SD card!
seed_al said:
They are advertising this device to consumers
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Incorrect again, this is a quote from the HTC website:
Storage
ROM: 512 MB
RAM: 448 MB
Expansion slot: microSD™ memory card (SD 2.0 compatible
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It clearly states memory available. and the words "EXPANSION SLOT" are a give away as to what that is used for.
seed_al said:
but fail to make it useable for the average consumer, who has no idea about deleting caches, flashing ROMs and installing to the storage card.
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ok, firstly, take a look at your HD2, if you dont know anything about these devices or at least are not prepared to read, why do you have it?
Second, i have been using these devices for 6-7 years, NEVER deleted cache in my life!!
Thirdly, if a user installs an app, gets the options: "Install to Device" or "Install to Storage Card" and then does not know what this is, then they probably also cannot tie their shoe laces.
A lot of people (stupid ones unfortunately) have got HD2's in the last few weeks and the XDA-Dev forum has been flooded with retarded posts like this asking stupid questions which are answered in the wiki or elsewhere in the forum.
XDA-Dev is THE HOME FOR POWERUSERS of HTC devices SO naturally I would assume that people are here because they know, or are looking to learn, and below i have quoted the forum rules:
12aon said:
A few things you should keep in mind before posting to XDA-Developers forums:
Check if your question has been asked beforeSome questions just keep popping up over and over. Please use the 'search function' in the menu above each and every page in the forum. Try entering a few keywords to see if your question has been asked before. If it has, please read the topics and see if you can figure it our from there. You can also search inside a topic if it has too many comments by using the search function (CTRL+F) in your browser. If you don't find the answer, please post a comment to the relevant thread instead of starting a new one.Use the Leo Wiki
The Leo Wiki Thread will point you to some of the more common pages in the wiki site, ALWAYS take a look there before posting anything since ALL members are encouraged to use and update the wiki as necessary. The information SHOULD be up to date. If information you think is important is not in the wiki, add it RTFW, or Read the WikiChances are your question is already answered on the wiki: Make sure you browse through the FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) before you start a new topic. If it's an obvious or common question, chances are someone has already put the answer there.ETFW, or Edit the WikiInformation stored in the wiki is dynamic: The wiki makes it easy for anyone to contribute or edit pages, and link them together, it is the best way to keep all information current and accurate. If you ask something in the forum which you didn't find on the wiki previously, please take 5 minutes of your time to EDIT the wiki and add the information there when you get an answer. This is the only way to avoid tons of new threads asking the very same questions over and over and over again.
Don't be afraid of editing the wiki if you don't understand the wiki syntax: Formating may seem a bit complicated at the beginning, but you don't have to care too much if you just want to add content, add it as if you were writing a text document and sure someone more experienced with wiki syntax will edit it after and correct the bad formatting mistakes.First time here?If it's your first time here, we encourage you to read general XDA-Developers guidelines too, which is an extended version of what has already been said here.
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this is from Flar
New forum rules, please read!
1. Search before posting
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
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The problem is these "New" people dont do any of the following:
1: Read the Manual of the device
2: Read the forum rules and abide by them
3: Use the search button
4: Use google
This forum is getting ruined! this was once the home for power users, it is now the home for every dribbling idiot that wanted a phone better then the iphone but they cannot be bothered to do simple things like reading.
Err, no when you install an app you get the option to install to internal or SD card!
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No, Marketplace only installs to internal memory.
Which makes all the rest of your post obsolete. Sorry but you missed the point completely.
And I'm not talking about forum members, I'm talking about average consumers who buy the HD2 but never had a WM device before. They have no clue how to get applications from outside the marketplace. Thus, they buy everything from there, install it to internal memory and wonder why it's full after installing only a few things and watching a few youtube videos. They don't know how to install something to the SD card and they don't know how to delete youtube and other caches to free internal memory. Those are the people who then return their HD2 and buy an iPhone, because they think they can't install more than a feww applications - and this is a HUGE problem. If HTC wants to sell a consumer device, they need to make it useable for average consumers, who have no clue about gettimg applications from outside the market and freeing internal memory.
It's not a problem for me and not a problem for most of the users here, but we are only a minority among the people who buy the HD2.
Hi
Not trying to hijack the thread but.....
I have virtually no ROM mem left, and was trying to install some more games and apps, i was given coice of device or card so selected card, however the apps / games would not install saying not enough mem on device, for some reason even tho i was selecting mem card, it would try to default to the device mem.... any words of wisdom or ideas, is there there any way i can force the install on to a memory card??
Thanks in advance
Well I dont have a problem, and I have **** loads install on my phone, maybe its because im not a chip as said above, fitting an sd card is simple
Yes you're not a chip. Most users of the forum aren't. But there are users you don't have a clue and if HTC wants to sell the device to regular consumers, who in general don't have a clue, they need to make it idiot-proof. That's why the iPhone sells so well: It's a crappy device but it's idiot proof.
The HD2 is already very easy to use but the storage thing is a huge problem for people who don't have a clue - and that's the majority.
seed_al said:
It's a crappy device but it's idiot proof.
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To call the iPhone a "crappy device" is just ridiculous. It's one of the most popular pieces of publicly available technology.
seed_al said:
The HD2 is already very easy to use but the storage thing is a huge problem for people who don't have a clue - and that's the majority.
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The majority of people who get this phone get it because they know the brand and know windows mobile. YES, there are lots of people that don't fit into those categories (as you can see by the influx of new people on this forum), but they are simply a louder voice because the people who are in the majority don't need to keep asking simple questions.
Anyone who doesn't think that an expansion slot is a way to extend the overall capable size of their phone should buy a simpler phone, with less capabilities, OR spend the time and effort to learn how to use it correctly, without spitting their dummy every time it does something that they do not understand (or doesn't do something that their iPhone or Nokia did previously).
This forum is to help people, and to share knowledge, not for wingeing and moaning.
I formatted my disk not knowing it would clear the mobitv guitar hero & the transformers movies a tech support rep said that I could get it back here please help need step by step instructions on how to do this
told you that you could get it back here at xda? i doubt that. they wouldnt suggest xda as its against customer service rep policies. i would know i used to be one for AT
Prime Minister said:
I formatted my disk not knowing it would clear the mobitv guitar hero & the transformers movies a tech support rep said that I could get it back here please help need step by step instructions on how to do this
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You're SOL my friend. Legally no one can give you the Transformer movies back. Here is the link for the TMOUS HD2 cabs for MobiTv. Haven't seen Guitar Hero since it is the full game. Really you're only other option is to go into a T-Mobile store and see if they have a return or extra phone that they can swap out the SDCard for you.
Your best bet is to have a friend with an HD2 and copy their card to a PC and then back to your formatted drive. If you don't have any friends with an HD2, then go to the HD2 Themes and Apps forum and the first sticky is for a thread called "T-Mobile US Stock Apps + Game DEMOS + Fixes - GET THEM HERE - NEW 2.13 REQUESTS!!". They have most, not all, of the apps for the stock disk located there.
Hi all,
Im new to blogs so please be kind, i know this is probably something really easy to do, but im having problems doing it.
Im trying to run the darkstone hd2 froyo rom through harret.exe. I've downloaded the rom and have placed it on the root of my memory card aswell as harret.exe the media folder to fix sound and the other random files that i was told to download with harret.exe.
I have tried to run harret.exe but it just stops about 5 lines in when its trying to "boot" the "karnel"
Can anybody help me get it working. I've regretted buying this phone from day one when i realised how **** windows actually is and theres finally a fix (although not complete, or perminent)
If someone could just show me how you do it from start to finish on a video or something id really appreciate it, ive tried looking on youtube, but everythings either fake, or it misses steps out.
Many thanks
Jamie
ahh, especially the part, I regret this phone from day one, broke my heart..
I'll offer you my help, but not on this thread ok?? The Mods dont like it if you open up a new thread with a problem that has already been answered 20 times... So I'll offer my help through private messages because i know how it feels if you want something and can't get it to work, I'm online for 5-6 hours a day on XDA .. so you'll get it working soon.
So message me.. wel'll talk on MSN or whatever and i'll help you out
So Mods you can close this if you like...
I am a newbie to this forum. I have had my HD2 for a year. I'm on my third phone and I hate Tmobile. However, since I can't do anything about changing my phone for awhile, I decided to actually try to learn about it.
1. I'm illiterate to software, hardware, etc.
2. It seems like you need to be an engineer to understand all this stuff
3. I'm trying, writing notes, looking up definitions, etc.
4. I'm struggling
Anyways I was wondering if any of you people were in my area of Pittsburgh? I would love to meet up and discuss phone stuff and improve my literacy and ability. I'm slowly getting better, but alas, I'm still an idiot....
Thank You Friends
man....i wish i was in PA.....
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I am a newbie to this forum. I have had my HD2 for a year. I'm on my third phone and I hate Tmobile. However, since I can't do anything about changing my phone for awhile, I decided to actually try to learn about it.
1. I'm illiterate to software, hardware, etc.
2. It seems like you need to be an engineer to understand all this stuff
3. I'm trying, writing notes, looking up definitions, etc.
4. I'm struggling
Anyways I was wondering if any of you people were in my area of Pittsburgh? I would love to meet up and discuss phone stuff and improve my literacy and ability. I'm slowly getting better, but alas, I'm still an idiot....
Thank You Friends
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Best advice I can give you is just keep reading.....
Even if you dont understand what your reading, read it anyway....*
Things will start to come together sooner or later. Sure it all seems confusing at first but trust me, it does all start to make sense.
Try reading the stickie threads first, the wikis contain good info too.
If theres something in particular your having trouble with then dont be afraid to ask over in the Q&A section...... try searching first though
Theres usually somebody around who'll be able to help.
Remember to try and include as much information as possible in your question though, helps to provide a more clear and concise answer.
Oh yeah..... welcome to XDA
*I stole that advice from samsamuel... (credit where credits due)
Thank you I will try to look first, but sometimes I don't even know what the heck I'm looking for!
Point in case: I can't figure out how to tether my phone with my computer?
Downloaded and have app working
Computer doesn't recognize it
No idea how to work around this
Just an example...if i can't do this I can't imagining partitioning an SD card to run android and windows 6.5....
Hmm the tethering is not an area Im too sure about, from what I've heard, a lot of the American networks require you to pay to be able to use tethering. Its available by default on my phone so I've never had to worry about it.
I would imagine that flashing a custom ROM would allow you to tether just by connecting to your computer.
As for android, if you want to run WM and Android from your SD card then theres no need to partition the card.
You just download the ROM you want.
It will be in a .zip file when you open that theres a folder called "Android".
You place that on your SD card.
Click one of the files inside. (clrcad.exe)
Then click another (haret.exe) and your off........
All the SD card android builds contained instructions in the thread how to get it running.
Like I said before, It may all seem very confusing at first but as long as you read up on what you want to do first, you'll be fine.
One thing I think is important to mention though, as your bound to have the US version of the HD2 (green and red call and hangup buttons).....
NEVER NEVER NEVER flash a radio with .51. in the name of it......
Even if you dont know what that means right now. Keep it in mind. Its the most common cause of people "bricking" their phones. 99% of problems can be fixed so dont worry but that will kill your phone instantly.
If you get to the point where you need to flash a radio, remember to check if its a good one.
Happy reading