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Ok first and foremost this is not just another post of someone complaining, in no way am i trying to offend or criticize this new device...these are simply observations made by a previous HTC owner (MDA/Herald/Wing) me...
I understand that the open source to "create" applications is fairly new not to mention all us G1 owners (ive had mine for lil more then a month). My concern is why are we seeing such "simple" programing in applications and things tht in reality none of us would ever use? Not to mention graphics what is going on...Look i have not created any nor have taken the time to even try to create applications, and if you or someone you know has, then my hats off to you, i envy you for knowing how and taking the time to...what im saying is why do all these new applications have so many bugs and in my opinion (cause that is all it is) are sub-par...i know its not really fair to compare to any other device on the market since it is the first of its kind, but im getting a little skeptical...am i alone in this? i find myself checking the android market every hour hoping for some sign to motivate me, but nothing so far aside from the obvious winners (youtube,maps,imeem,wheather channel etc...)...ill shut up now i sincerely was not trying to stir things up, and know/knew when i purcased the G1 it was the first of its kind and would probably take time to show its full potential, i just thought there were some things google had up its sleeve that were ready...does anyone have any insight or knowledge of better things to come...?
timace said:
Ok first and foremost this is not just another post of someone complaining, in no way am i trying to offend or criticize this new device...these are simply observations made by a previous HTC owner (MDA/Herald/Wing) me...
I understand that the open source to "create" applications is fairly new not to mention all us G1 owners (ive had mine for lil more then a month). My concern is why are we seeing such "simple" programing in applications and things tht in reality none of us would ever use? Not to mention graphics what is going on...Look i have not created any nor have taken the time to even try to create applications, and if you or someone you know has, then my hats off to you, i envy you for knowing how and taking the time to...what im saying is why do all these new applications have so many bugs and in my opinion (cause that is all it is) are sub-par...i know its not really fair to compare to any other device on the market since it is the first of its kind, but im getting a little skeptical...am i alone in this? i find myself checking the android market every hour hoping for some sign to motivate me, but nothing so far aside from the obvious winners (youtube,maps,imeem,wheather channel etc...)...ill shut up now i sincerely was not trying to stir things up, and know/knew when i purcased the G1 it was the first of its kind and would probably take time to show its full potential, i just thought there were some things google had up its sleeve that were ready...does anyone have any insight or knowledge of better things to come...?
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Personally, I find the plethora of apps encouraging, yes, some are more useful than others but the wide range of effort is fan-flippin-tastic.
MY biggest observation is that the Market place needs some severe MODERATOR intervention... the one star "i is first u goons" and "this app suks (because I am too stupid to read the intro to figure out what it is for) really really really needs to be cleaned up/out. (A perfect example is the UTC clock... it does EXACTLY what it says, true, the numbers in the display look like they are from a missile silo, but hey, it is a tribute to the UTC heritage...anyway, people bag on it because they have no idea why, what, or anything else about it... morons)
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Personally, I find the plethora of apps encouraging, yes, some are more useful than others but the wide range of effort is fan-flippin-tastic.
MY biggest observation is that the Market place needs some severe MODERATOR intervention... the one star "i is first u goons" and "this app suks (because I am too stupid to read the intro to figure out what it is for) really really really needs to be cleaned up/out. (A perfect example is the UTC clock... it does EXACTLY what it says, true, the numbers in the display look like they are from a missile silo, but hey, it is a tribute to the UTC heritage...anyway, people bag on it because they have no idea why, what, or anything else about it... morons)
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i agree "first" comments are riduculous, and if you dont like the application from descrption then dont install it...positive criticism is more then welcome but "this sucks" is getting on my nerves...
timace said:
Ok first and foremost this is not just another post of someone complaining, in no way am i trying to offend or criticize this new device...these are simply observations made by a previous HTC owner (MDA/Herald/Wing) me...
I understand that the open source to "create" applications is fairly new not to mention all us G1 owners (ive had mine for lil more then a month). My concern is why are we seeing such "simple" programing in applications and things tht in reality none of us would ever use? Not to mention graphics what is going on...Look i have not created any nor have taken the time to even try to create applications, and if you or someone you know has, then my hats off to you, i envy you for knowing how and taking the time to...what im saying is why do all these new applications have so many bugs and in my opinion (cause that is all it is) are sub-par...i know its not really fair to compare to any other device on the market since it is the first of its kind, but im getting a little skeptical...am i alone in this? i find myself checking the android market every hour hoping for some sign to motivate me, but nothing so far aside from the obvious winners (youtube,maps,imeem,wheather channel etc...)...ill shut up now i sincerely was not trying to stir things up, and know/knew when i purcased the G1 it was the first of its kind and would probably take time to show its full potential, i just thought there were some things google had up its sleeve that were ready...does anyone have any insight or knowledge of better things to come...?
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i agree with you; even though i love this phone there are a lot of things i dislike about it. the only advice i can give to you is to be patient. the phone has 'officially' been out for a little under a month and there is already so much improvements to it:
- 2 updates have already been rolled out,
- we have found a Root and a way to manually update it.
- we are beginning to see system folders moved to sdcard to save space(even though the phone should have came with more memory)
apps on the market are getting better i don't if you have seen the app "bubble". bubble is a basic bubble level that uses the accelerometer to see if something is level and changes as the phone changes orientation it may seem like a simple app but it shows that Google came come out with an update that uses the accelerometer to change orientation.
- first signs of on screen keyboards like akeyui, a7email and a7sms.
all of these improvements in about 3 weeks and tons more to come idk what anybody can complain about besides hardware issues
just wait come Jan 2009 the G1 isnt going to be anything like it is today.
demontefixo said:
Personally, I find the plethora of apps encouraging, yes, some are more useful than others but the wide range of effort is fan-flippin-tastic.
MY biggest observation is that the Market place needs some severe MODERATOR intervention... the one star "i is first u goons" and "this app suks (because I am too stupid to read the intro to figure out what it is for) really really really needs to be cleaned up/out. (A perfect example is the UTC clock... it does EXACTLY what it says, true, the numbers in the display look like they are from a missile silo, but hey, it is a tribute to the UTC heritage...anyway, people bag on it because they have no idea why, what, or anything else about it... morons)
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yeah there need to be some serious clean up in th commenting sections, some of these comments might discourage people from developing apps for the G1, i think comments should strictly about the apps and not about being 1st or 151st, or bashing other commenters, and people definitely should not comment on an app the don't know how to use.
however developers should include directions on how to use their apps so people do not have to rely on commenting to try and figure out what it does and how it does it.
The point is the development muscle that has been put in the device is minor.I feel like the market is made by kids or teenagers that stopped uploading on youtube and are writing apps using ready made lego kits (APIs). The apps in the market are all basic stuff. There is not even a Divx player for this device available but 5 Video players using the Google provided APIs to play mp4 which only play SOME mp4 files not all.
I love the sliding, bubble and Gmail on it but I cant name too many more things I love. Not even a Navi that works properly. I really cant think of anything else I love about it. No office, word, excel, PDF, flash, divx. The SMS system is grouped together. The actual phone keyboard is beyond basic with no options. There are simply too many bugs on the phone operation itself like bluetooth etc.
Time flies google, we need apps that have more than 10 man-hours of software programming spent on it. Lets stop the growth of many timers and alarms in the market and get some real stuff out there. Microsoft has probably put in millions of development hours into WM and it was not until now that I realized this.
brooklynite said:
The point is the development muscle that has been put in the device is minor.I feel like the market is made by kids or teenagers that stopped uploading on youtube and are writing apps using ready made lego kits (APIs). The apps in the market are all basic stuff. There is not even a Divx player for this device available but 5 Video players using the Google provided APIs to play mp4 which only play SOME mp4 files not all.
I love the sliding, bubble and Gmail on it but I cant name too many more things I love. Not even a Navi that works properly. I really cant think of anything else I love about it. No office, word, excel, PDF, flash, divx. The SMS system is grouped together. The actual phone keyboard is beyond basic with no options. There are simply too many bugs on the phone operation itself like bluetooth etc.
Time flies google, we need apps that have more than 10 man-hours of software programming spent on it. Lets stop the growth of many timers and alarms in the market and get some real stuff out there. Microsoft has probably put in millions of development hours into WM and it was not until now that I realized this.
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muscle...DiVix...kids...office...flash...basic...bugs
words that stood out and i DEFINATELY agree
as i said before patience is the key here
the reason why there aren't many good programs out right know is because they are still in development, there are some apps that won google's app contest that are not on the market because they are still under development. developers take their to try and come out with a bug free app and you criticize them for taking to long however if they rush it and get it out with SOME bugs people crucify them. how long did you think it took for divx or flash to be developed for other phones?
why do people expect a phone thats been out for under a month to have the same capabilities as phones that been out for years?
how many phone do you know had divx support right out of the box or even one month after release? i estimate that divx support will be out before the end of the year.
i agree that apps on the market are going the the hole, especially with millions of the same type of apps, c'mon how many different weather apps do we need, how many background apps is necessary. but you got to admit out of the hundreds of apps on the market there are some good ones.
I'm waiting with great anticipation on the games for the g1. Sure i want cut copy and paste, document reader, full video player, full file manager and task manager as well as others but i'm dying to play nes games and others on this phone. The market is pretty lame in the games department but hey i got pacman, solitaire, and a few others free so i'm not gonna complain. I think the apps are very promising and there are a wide variety of them. Granted none of the crucial apps are out yet but i have quite a few on g1 that i love and got em all for free!!! We just have to be patient, i knew going in i would have to be.
All the apps are free. The hardware has only been in people's hands for a few weeks (at most). A serious developer, wanting to create the exact apps we're all hoping for, needs a heck of a lot more time. The SDK was fine, but any serious developer is going to want to log a lot of hours with a physical device (or several) to finalize the product.
And they're not going to do all that, for free.
This device has huge potential, and the reason we're seeing amaturish apps is because the only people who are willing to play around with creating apps for free are mostly hobbyists who want feedback to further their skills.
I predict that once the payment system is set up for the Market, the apps you're all stomping your feet about are going to show up.
The programs we're talking about are complex, writing them and testing them is time consuming, and I assume that they're going to be larger than the apps we're seeing now. It's entirely possible that some of these apps are almost finished, but are waiting for SD card loading to be added to the functionality before they can release them. Some may even be delayed by the announcement of the virtual keyboard -- they may want to integrate that for the launch of their apps.
I think two things need to happen before we're going to see the apps we all want.
-Pay system on Android Market
-The Ability for Apps to be installed and run from the SD card.
Until those two things happen, the App Store is going to be like it is. And it's also time you guys thought about something. The apps that are "missing" were never a secret, most of the complaints I see are about things that were known well before launch, or discovered the first week people had it in hand. If you didn't read up, that's your fault. If you read up and assumed things would be taken care of within one to two months (something no one promised you) that's also your fault.
I'll predict something for you right now, in light of the economy and everything else, it'll be 6 months to a year before HALF the apps we want are available and working. Now, that's just my estimate, but if that sounds "too long" to wait, then I'd invest in another phone rather than spending the next 6 months posting complaints like "why isn't _____ done yet? And where's the ______ app?!!"
Just my 2 cents
I have already heard many apps have been developed but the developers are waiting for the pay system which has already been annoucnced and is coming 3 months after launch.
I am similar to you... give it time and you will see the best things you have ever seen. I mean look at Linux... they have some awesome apps on most linux flavors that make me dual boot into linux just to have. I think this device will be the same as this was the entire purpose.
Google is updating features all the time in the git directory and it won't be long before they fix the main issues and then the developers will be looking at new things to give us.
So far the barcode readers alone seem like such a huge advantage as I haven't seen them on mobile devices before(at least none that worked)
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The point is the development muscle that has been put in the device is minor.I feel like the market is made by kids or teenagers that stopped uploading on youtube and are writing apps using ready made lego kits (APIs). The apps in the market are all basic stuff. There is not even a Divx player for this device available but 5 Video players using the Google provided APIs to play mp4 which only play SOME mp4 files not all.
I love the sliding, bubble and Gmail on it but I cant name too many more things I love. Not even a Navi that works properly. I really cant think of anything else I love about it. No office, word, excel, PDF, flash, divx. The SMS system is grouped together. The actual phone keyboard is beyond basic with no options. There are simply too many bugs on the phone operation itself like bluetooth etc.
Time flies google, we need apps that have more than 10 man-hours of software programming spent on it. Lets stop the growth of many timers and alarms in the market and get some real stuff out there. Microsoft has probably put in millions of development hours into WM and it was not until now that I realized this.
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Well you said my answer in your own post. The device has been out less than a month. That's nowhere near enough time to make those killer apps you're talking about. To google's credit they did put in things like street view with the compass mode and there are those apps you've talked about. It takes MONTHS to do real software developement so you're going to keep seeing more and more alarms and stuff until then.
seriously, does ANYBODY give a ratsass or even use streetview?
They should have made sure all the media stuff and the email was topnotcxh.
I agree 100% with the first post! Google should have prepaired Android better. There is a lot of competition out there and I would say by what I've seen so far they are light years behind. I did not expect that with all the money in the world Google couldn't release product that was better polished. I have put my G1 back in its box and I'm back to my unlocked Tilt, what sucks is going back to the old screen and Edge but its functinality that I need. I wish they made some kind of task aplication that I can put on the screen kind of likr thr picture frame that would display my tasks for the day. I have a Motorola ROKR E2 that runs Linux and there are more useful stuff for it out there. I desagree we have to wait untill we start paying for apliications, I believe Google can afford providing us with free functional software as more and more people will be using their services.
i love my g1, but i agree with these people that google didn't do enough...and i hope they're working to fix it.
i think that their whole "leave it in the hands of developers" approach was probably a mistake. they should have made all the basic applications like they did but also gone a step further to spice up the phone. i hope that google, in the new few updates, incorporates some more stuff, like OUTLOOK SYNC (i wuld love it if they changed the google calendar sync for windows into just google sync and have it sync everything with outlook....funambol right now sucks i have like 80 of each contact!)
they also should have made a GOOD video recorder / player, and even a better music player. they're trying to beat apple at multimedia, and are failing miserably.
they should add a decent on-screen keyboard and maybe even a task manager...or make it only have like 4 open tasks in the backgroudn...because i've noticed my g1 slowing down a lot after having a few apps open.
google should add a manual update button...i'm still on RC28 because i dont feel like installing the modified rc30 or plugging it in to update. have a freaking "UPDATE" button in the system info thing or something.
i think google needs more than 3 home screens...i've already filled all of mine up. they also should have added more widgets, like the guy above me said.
SELECTING TEXT SUCKS. i have to use the trackball to select a ltter of a word...on my windows mobile i could just tap on where i wanted it to be and at least it would get me within 1 or 2 letters...if i tap on a word on the g1 nothing happens!
we need to be able to install stuff to the sd card!
i think i'm missing a lot of things but i've only had the phone for 2 days and i've noticed all that...i hope developers DO step in if google is too stupid not to add more basic functionality.
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Look at it this way currently there is no way to charge for apps that are developed. This is why we are seeing nothing but apps programed by independant programers some of which are good and some of which are useless. Once companies can charge for apps then it will make sence to put money into the development of better more porfessional apps. My suggestion is to just hold off on passing judgement untill the market is finished to where people that spend money in development can recoup those losses. I do think that the market place should have been finished before launch but what can you do.
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Look at it this way currently there is no way to charge for apps that are developed. This is why we are seeing nothing but apps programed by independant programers some of which are good and some of which are useless. Once companies can charge for apps then it will make sence to put money into the development of better more porfessional apps. My suggestion is to just hold off on passing judgement untill the market is finished to where people that spend money in development can recoup those losses. I do think that the market place should have been finished before launch but what can you do.
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Agaqin, super lame of google.
We can get a bunch of usless wank programs, but not proepr ones, becasue they don't have the pay market ready.
Also, I think that certain things like exchange and a proper email client shoudl have been included.
And remember most people are new to development, don't know how many "this is my first try" apps I have seen. When you get that one that charges 20 bucks for the app... you will get another developer who will release it free and just ask for donations... I suggest donating whatever you can to the one that gives it free.
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Agaqin, super lame of google.
We can get a bunch of usless wank programs, but not proepr ones, becasue they don't have the pay market ready.
Also, I think that certain things like exchange and a proper email client shoudl have been included.
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google isnt the one entirely in charge of the market... tmobile is the one wanting money
neoobs said:
google isnt the one entirely in charge of the market... tmobile is the one wanting money
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No, but it was google who shoudl ahve made sure that the basics were coveredf well.
The Camera I'm sure can take greta pics, but the controls suck.
The email is severly lacking.
No streaming video.
And they shoudl ahve elarnt form the iPhoen release, that push email fro MsExcahnge should have been there fromt he getgo.
Or the should have built a BB app, just like you can get for WinMo.
No, they focused on teenagers, not professionals.
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google isnt the one entirely in charge of the market... tmobile is the one wanting money
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no....google is not taking any money but is giving 30% of all apps sold to the carriers...tmobile might be the one "wanting" money but they have no control over the app store at all.
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signed up for the beta hope that our androids have full flash support next
This is a TERRIBLE thing.
Flash should be boycotted.
Its only effect is to hinder the advancement of open web standards and keep us locked in 90's type content.
Flash appeared in 1996 to take advantage of missing web functionality and provide more interactivity (not to play videos). Nowadays, it doesn't actually provide anything useful -- videos can be played by MEDIA plugins and don't need to be flash-packaged. Interactivity can be provided by TONS of different mechanisms. There is NO USE for flash.
The only reason why ANYONE still uses it is because certain websites are TOO STUPID to ditch it! I.e., they got used to using it when it *was* useful, and never bothered to learn the RIGHT WAY to do things when it became possible to ditch it!
I VERY VERY STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT use flash plugins. LET FLASH DIE!!!
lbcoder said:
This is a TERRIBLE thing.
Flash should be boycotted.
Its only effect is to hinder the advancement of open web standards and keep us locked in 90's type content.
Flash appeared in 1996 to take advantage of missing web functionality and provide more interactivity (not to play videos). Nowadays, it doesn't actually provide anything useful -- videos can be played by MEDIA plugins and don't need to be flash-packaged. Interactivity can be provided by TONS of different mechanisms. There is NO USE for flash.
The only reason why ANYONE still uses it is because certain websites are TOO STUPID to ditch it! I.e., they got used to using it when it *was* useful, and never bothered to learn the RIGHT WAY to do things when it became possible to ditch it!
I VERY VERY STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT use flash plugins. LET FLASH DIE!!!
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I think that is pretty much along the same thing that Steve Jobs said about not implementing Flash to iPhone/iPad/iTouch devices. Although I agree with it but like you said yourself there are so many websites that won't ditch it. When something better comes around (not saying that there isn't already) then I'm sure that they will look forward to that as well. Until then... I want HULU!
Plus, I know that Netflix is wanting to implement their movie streaming services to Android sometime soon too! Can't wait!
I will be notified when its up
lbcoder said:
This is a TERRIBLE thing.
Flash should be boycotted.
Its only effect is to hinder the advancement of open web standards and keep us locked in 90's type content.
Flash appeared in 1996 to take advantage of missing web functionality and provide more interactivity (not to play videos). Nowadays, it doesn't actually provide anything useful -- videos can be played by MEDIA plugins and don't need to be flash-packaged. Interactivity can be provided by TONS of different mechanisms. There is NO USE for flash.
The only reason why ANYONE still uses it is because certain websites are TOO STUPID to ditch it! I.e., they got used to using it when it *was* useful, and never bothered to learn the RIGHT WAY to do things when it became possible to ditch it!
I VERY VERY STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT use flash plugins. LET FLASH DIE!!!
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LOL. Calm down. I do agree with you that flash slows down web browsing with ads but that is why I downloaded AdFree from the market. HTML-5 is slowing taking over and Android 2.0+ is compatible with that already (or just need a simple plug-in). Anyway, we can use our phones to enjoy the FULL internet experience.
Signed up and ready!
And flash can die when I can have the ENTIRE web experience given to me by something else.
Until then, LONG LIVE FLASH!!!
This is a TERRIBLE thing.
Flash should be boycotted.
Its only effect is to hinder the advancement of open web standards and keep us locked in 90's type content.
Flash appeared in 1996 to take advantage of missing web functionality and provide more interactivity (not to play videos). Nowadays, it doesn't actually provide anything useful -- videos can be played by MEDIA plugins and don't need to be flash-packaged. Interactivity can be provided by TONS of different mechanisms. There is NO USE for flash.
The only reason why ANYONE still uses it is because certain websites are TOO STUPID to ditch it! I.e., they got used to using it when it *was* useful, and never bothered to learn the RIGHT WAY to do things when it became possible to ditch it!
I VERY VERY STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT use flash plugins. LET FLASH DIE!!!
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Finally, someone in the android community that understands this. Flash is not only guilty of the above, it also murders puppies.
lbcoder said:
This is a TERRIBLE thing.
Flash should be boycotted.
Its only effect is to hinder the advancement of open web standards and keep us locked in 90's type content.
Flash appeared in 1996 to take advantage of missing web functionality and provide more interactivity (not to play videos). Nowadays, it doesn't actually provide anything useful -- videos can be played by MEDIA plugins and don't need to be flash-packaged. Interactivity can be provided by TONS of different mechanisms. There is NO USE for flash.
The only reason why ANYONE still uses it is because certain websites are TOO STUPID to ditch it! I.e., they got used to using it when it *was* useful, and never bothered to learn the RIGHT WAY to do things when it became possible to ditch it!
I VERY VERY STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT use flash plugins. LET FLASH DIE!!!
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Flash isn't gonna die any time soon.
It's like mp3. It's an awful lossy format that sounds terrible, yet, because it's so small everyone uses it, despite the fact formats such as OGGVORBIS give much better sound quality in a smaller file. Also, it's completely open source, which is always nice
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Flash isn't gonna die any time soon.
It's like mp3. It's an awful lossy format that sounds terrible, yet, because it's so small everyone uses it, despite the fact formats such as OGGVORBIS give much better sound quality in a smaller file. Also, it's completely open source, which is always nice
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mp3 is open source.
flash, though the specifications are free, is NOT OPEN.
It is closed -- only decodable by a piece of proprietary garbage.
mp3 does NOT have this problem.
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... not if complete **IDIOTS** keep using it!!!
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... not if complete **IDIOTS** keep using it!!!
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Are you a anti-flash movement or something? geez leave it alone.. one guy on a XDA forum will not make a piece of software die so stop crying.
Too many people use it so instead of being close minded and say it's terrible blah blah open your mind and think, why not have flash AND others like plugins so everyone can enjoy or chose to use what they want. It's called best of both worlds.
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mp3 is open source.
flash, though the specifications are free, is NOT OPEN.
It is closed -- only decodable by a piece of proprietary garbage.
mp3 does NOT have this problem.
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"If you decide to sell your music in MP3 format, you are responsible for paying Fraunhofer a percentage of each sale because you are using their patents."
OggVorbis is completely free, which is what i was trying to explain
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... not if complete **IDIOTS** keep using it!!!
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I'm not sure if that was aimed at me, but if so, well done for completely missing the point of my post...
lbcoder said:
This is a TERRIBLE thing.
Flash should be boycotted.
Its only effect is to hinder the advancement of open web standards and keep us locked in 90's type content.
Flash appeared in 1996 to take advantage of missing web functionality and provide more interactivity (not to play videos). Nowadays, it doesn't actually provide anything useful -- videos can be played by MEDIA plugins and don't need to be flash-packaged. Interactivity can be provided by TONS of different mechanisms. There is NO USE for flash.
The only reason why ANYONE still uses it is because certain websites are TOO STUPID to ditch it! I.e., they got used to using it when it *was* useful, and never bothered to learn the RIGHT WAY to do things when it became possible to ditch it!
I VERY VERY STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT use flash plugins. LET FLASH DIE!!!
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Translation:
" Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh. :'( "
A few people on a forum not downloading flash for Android will change absolutely nothing.
We are accessing the content, not publishing it........
Meltus said:
"If you decide to sell your music in MP3 format, you are responsible for paying Fraunhofer a percentage of each sale because you are using their patents."
OggVorbis is completely free, which is what i was trying to explain
I'm not sure if that was aimed at me, but if so, well done for completely missing the point of my post...
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YOU are missing the point. This ISNT ABOUT distributing. This is about USING. MP3 encoders and decoders are available, FOR FREE. *ANYONE* can use it. Distributing commercial content in that format is subject to licensing fees. So what?
The point is that ADOBE is TERRIBLE at supporting their product -- flash. They took the better part of a DECADE TO SUPPORT AMD64, and that is only on linux.
Their software is terrible and buggy.
Only a MINORITY of web users are *ABLE* to use flash content (whether due to use of a platform adobe doesn't support, or due to DEFECTS in flash plugin).
It is also a HORRIBLE resource hog!
And to top it all off, there is NO REASON to use it! Everything it does can be done BETTER with things that are STANDARD. And FYI: These standard things actually WORK and use VERY LITTLE RESOURCES.
So please explain HOW it is to anyone's benefit to keep using this CRAP!
To kill it requires that EVERYBODY DOES NOT USE IT. Already right now MOST PEOPLE do NOT USE IT.
The more people do NOT use flash, the more web developers will realize that they are shooting themselves in the foot by using it!
If developers use the SUPERIOR ALTERNATIVES, then those sites will work for EVERYBODY, and flash will finally die.
Which means that people won't need to wait for adobe to support new platforms (without exception, this takes YEARS), or fix bugs (again, typically takes YEARS).
Also realize this: flash sites ***ARE VANISHING***. I can't think of ONE SINGLE SITE that still requires flash, except for youtube -- and it is going to vanish from there very soon... as soon as they decide on the appropriate video format (going to be ON8, theora, or h264).
Flash runs amazingly for me, until something better can do everything it does and better, Ill keep using it.
End of story.
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Also realize this: flash sites ***ARE VANISHING***. I can't think of ONE SINGLE SITE that still requires flash, except for youtube -- and it is going to vanish from there very soon... as soon as they decide on the appropriate video format (going to be ON8, theora, or h264).
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So you're saying that only YouTube uses Flash? Are you on crack?
One word... PORN. There are millions of sites out there that uses Flash based content too.
Then there are other sites such as Hulu. Huge site that is generating revenue off of their adds and soon as a paid membership service.
There are streaming sites like local news stations that deliver real time content to your hands.
Then there are Flash games as well.
Many cell phones are beginning to support Flash content because it is so common on websites. The more people that stare at their cell phones the more hooked they are on the service that their cellular company provides. Which mean more customers, more money, more profit. Notice that many of the phones these days are getting thinner but the screens are getting wider? Do you think it's because people just want to have a nice bright 4" screen on their hip or in their pocket? People use these new devices for multimedia and web browsing and not just for texting and making phone calls. Web browsing isn't complete if you can only browse wap and mobile friendly web pages. Flash is also a smaller file that is easy to stream... which is cheaper for cellular providers. Sure they may have to upgrade their network for the 34,000,000 subscribers that are watching last nights episode of Lost on their phones (hypothetical)... but they are investing in all of that anyway. Why do you suppose that is? For situations such as this. Should Flash disappear it would be an awful waste of research, development, sales and technology. Yes, there are alternatives... but are they more convenient than what we already have in place that works? If it's not broke, don't fix it. If Flash was going to become obsolete it'll more than likely be replaced by mp4. I can see your point of view but I can see how this multimedia evolution is progressing.
text> html colors > jpeg > gif > flash > mp4? > 3Dmp4 > Virtual Reality > Brain Implants
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YOU are missing the point. This ISNT ABOUT distributing. This is about USING. MP3 encoders and decoders are available, FOR FREE. *ANYONE* can use it. Distributing commercial content in that format is subject to licensing fees. So what?
The point is that ADOBE is TERRIBLE at supporting their product -- flash. They took the better part of a DECADE TO SUPPORT AMD64, and that is only on linux.
Their software is terrible and buggy.
Only a MINORITY of web users are *ABLE* to use flash content (whether due to use of a platform adobe doesn't support, or due to DEFECTS in flash plugin).
It is also a HORRIBLE resource hog!
And to top it all off, there is NO REASON to use it! Everything it does can be done BETTER with things that are STANDARD. And FYI: These standard things actually WORK and use VERY LITTLE RESOURCES.
So please explain HOW it is to anyone's benefit to keep using this CRAP!
To kill it requires that EVERYBODY DOES NOT USE IT. Already right now MOST PEOPLE do NOT USE IT.
The more people do NOT use flash, the more web developers will realize that they are shooting themselves in the foot by using it!
If developers use the SUPERIOR ALTERNATIVES, then those sites will work for EVERYBODY, and flash will finally die.
Which means that people won't need to wait for adobe to support new platforms (without exception, this takes YEARS), or fix bugs (again, typically takes YEARS).
Also realize this: flash sites ***ARE VANISHING***. I can't think of ONE SINGLE SITE that still requires flash, except for youtube -- and it is going to vanish from there very soon... as soon as they decide on the appropriate video format (going to be ON8, theora, or h264).
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Wtf are you having a go at me for? i agree with you.
My point was, that like flash, there are better audio formats available that can do the job much better than mp3s, but because the majority of people don't really care and are not very knowledgeable on the subject, they see no reason to change. It's the same with flash. They don't know that there are any alternatives and, so they see no point in using anything different.
For developers, flash may not be the best thing to use, but EVERYONE has heard of it. From a marketing point of view, it's best to use a brand that you have heard of than one you haven't.
Why are you actually getting so worked up about this? You seem to be the ONLY person who actually cares, and next time, please actually READ my posts before you have a massive rant at me when i actually ****ing agree with you.
Also, only a minority of web users can use Flash? wtf? I'd quite confidently say the majority of web users are either on Windows or on a Mac. Both of which have fantastic flash support.
Flash won't be replaced till there is something to replace it with. Please don't say HTML 5 cause thats a complete joke. As hulu just said in a press release. HTML is nice and cool but for our statistics and our video quality HTML 5 is many years behind flash. Just take a look at youtube and thier HTML5 experment. With the power and money of google behind them their HTML5 site looks like crap compared to their flash site.
Also HTML 5 severly lacks in vector graphics which was the main selling point about flash for years. Then take into account cross platform bugs and development and HTML 5 is just gonna be a flashy form of HTML 4. Flash is so powerfull it will always have a home. Hell now you can make iphone and ipad apps with it, even after Stevo gave the no no.
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Flash won't be replaced till there is something to replace it with.
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That is just the point... there is NO NEED to replace it. It doesn't do ANYTHING USEFUL!
Please don't say HTML 5 cause thats a complete joke. As hulu just said in a press release. HTML is nice and cool but for our statistics and our video quality HTML 5 is many years behind flash.
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Are you trying to say that VP6 is better than h264 and VP8? Because that just makes you look like a flashtard.
Just take a look at youtube and thier HTML5 experment. With the power and money of google behind them their HTML5 site looks like crap compared to their flash site.
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Based on your statement here, I just took a look, and you know what? It is EXACTLY THE SAME. The ONLY difference is that when you come across a webm/VP8 or h264 transcoded video, they don't need to load that flash bloat garbage.
Also HTML 5 severly lacks in vector graphics
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How does this apply to html5 at all? If the image is a vector graphic, it is up to the browser to handle it. If YOUR browser doesn't handle vector graphics properly, don't whine about html5, whine about your browser, or better yet, CONTRIBUTE to it.
which was the main selling point about flash for years.
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Which remains unnecessary. Vector graphics are cool and all, but hardly worth subjecting yourself to the intense BLOAT.
Then take into account cross platform bugs and development and HTML 5 is just gonna be a flashy form of HTML 4.
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Huh? You seem to be SERIOUSLY CONFUSED.
Multi-platform support has ALWAYS been one of the MANY MANY SERIOUS weaknesses of flash. They take YEARS TOO LONG to support new platforms -- if EVER (see apple). Their new platform support is always buggy and slow. The multi-platform nature of HTML5 is its STRENGTH and will ENSURE that it is selected more consistently than that terrible flash thing.
Flash is so powerfull it will always have a home.
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Now you're REALLY dreaming.
Flash is NOT powerful. It is WEAK. It is SLOW. It is UGLY. It brings about INCOMPATIBILITY. It never did ANYTHING useful for ANYBODY. The ONLY reason why anyone uses it now (or has EVER used it) is because they don't/didn't know any better.
Ok, seriously. I have just spent about 2 hours searching (googleing, and binging) the world wide webernet looking for a legal way to download movies to my wm6.5 phone. I must be retarded, i can find about a million file converters and then the special software that you have to install on your phone, and even a few places to download converted movies from other users, but GOOD GRAVY!!!!! I have been a windows mobile user since my first htc "star trek" flip phone, then the 8520 then the tilt , the tilt 2 and the pure, and for the life of my i couldnot figure out why so many people bought into the whole iphone thing. I mean, as back assward as that company is run there is one thing that they can do right, give people the big things that they want! We've been gloating about our copy and paste for the last three years, why the apple people have been downloading music and movies and surfing the net with out having to do a soft reset every 4 hours. I am really frustrated tonight, and that has been made worse by my fruitless search for somewhere to download a movie that i can watch while on the road tomorrow.
Does anyone out there have any solutions, ideas, or and iphone i can borrow??? I dont mind to download to the computer and then sync to the phone, i just cant find anything?!?!?
If u use Coreplayer u can download .avi files to play on the phone without any converting
Rock player or yxplayer is also good.
YxPlayer can play any video format including .mkv without converting.
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Thats the point, i dont want to have to download another player, I mean thats not the end of the world i guess, but where do the movies come from???? Why dont we have an "itunes" or some sort of website where we can go to rent or buy movies that will play on our devices? Windows mobile has been around for a long time now and maybe im the only one who is willing to pay for a service like that, its just occuring to me why the ipod/iphone is so popular inspite of the way apple does business. Thanks for the replys though.
You can download the movies via Usenet or Torrents
or stream Hulu and the likes through Opera or PIE.
I would prefer to legally own the movies, and Hulu was a great solution, but they shut down all mobile units a year ago. Although i heard that there is, or is soon to be an iphone app to watch hulu movies for a 10$ monthly fee. Which wouldnt be to bad, but again, im gonna need the damn iphone!
you can use hulu if you use skyfire web browser, plus skyfire is the best browser for flash.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/14/qualcomm-promises-netflix-streaming-support-on-future-android-d/
Anyone read this yet? I mean, the HD7 (which has a netflix app) is running the same snapdragon processor as the Nexus One and Evo. This seams like a load of BS to me...
Netflix has issues with DRM on Android. Many game developers have also cited similiar concerns. The next version of snapdragon will handle DRM through hardware making it independent of OS.
Put attention to the blue part:
... meet all of the DRM requirements for Watch Instantly. ...
CPU power isn't the culprit and never was.
so if it isnt a harware issue, then why has it taken them so long to implement these "DRM securities". WP7 had netflix on launch day, why didnt android get these back when iOS got them?
Errrrrrm... because they all use a different software OS?
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Errrrrrm... because they all use a different software OS?
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Once you create the program, its pretty easy to port it from OS to OS
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Once you create the program, its pretty easy to port it from OS to OS
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Not if a key component of your program relies on a feature one of the OSs doesn't support.
I think the problem is the way android handles DRM - or that's why Netflix has issues, at least...
Netflix appears to be happy with iOS and Windows, and the way they handle DRM.
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Past post from Netflix seems to indicate they ate not happy about this either. This is a requirement of their licensed agreement with studios; not something Netflix wants. Same reason Netflix is not on Linux either.
Still, Netflix have an app on the Logitech Revue, so all is not lost...
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And that's the story of how I canceled my Netflix subscription. Thanks for the rips, but I can no longer justify the monthly fee, especially since the N1 just got **** canned as ever getting the app.
Pretty lame IMO. I can log on to my bank's website from my phone, paypal has an app, there is an app to accept credit card swipes with the phone and the square reader... yet Netflix can't figure out how to stream a movie or tv show to it safely. STUPID.
This has more to do with the movie and television studios than netflix. They've said to netflix that this is the only way to protect the mobile streams that they will accept. Netflix has to comply because no studios == no content deals.
If the only reason you had a netflix account was so you could watch it on a small 4 inch screen I would cancel too. That seems like a waste of netflix lol.
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On a related note, has anything relating to the rumored Amazon Streaming service materialized yet? I'm itching for a reason to drop my Netflix for a more Linux friendly solution. Really tired of being treated like a second-class citizen for using a better OS.
yeah, I don't get it? i mean,.. if you was to download the app you still have to log in right? So is not like you can hack it. Unless they're afraid of long press save video option but honestly who wants to save low quality videos like that?
Yeah I don't understand the DRM thing either. You have to log in, therefore a DRM is already in place.
Maybe there can be some video capture software on the Android. "Great! Now I can capture a crappy quality mobile optimized video and throw it on a torrent website great!"
Hell, people probably already have Bluray rips up. It's not like Netflix gets their content in a timely manner...
yeah if your logged in than what does it matter, people have faster way of going around the whole drm thing on a pc/mac so why would too many people bother with a cell phone.
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yeah, I don't get it? i mean,.. if you was to download the app you still have to log in right? So is not like you can hack it. Unless they're afraid of long press save video option but honestly who wants to save low quality videos like that?
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Umm, what? You can still hack things you have to log into... They may know which user did it, but you could set up an account with fake information... The "hacking" netflix wants to avoid is people downloading full movies from them. People could make a fake account, download a bunch of movies from netflix, and then distribute them on the internet.
We all know that there are already better blu-ray rips available on the web, but the movie studios don't care, and unfortunately, they hold netflix by the balls on protecting their content. Its dumb, but its not Netflix's fault.
I'm as annoyed as anyone about this, but Netflix obviously wants to be on Android, its a giant platform.
The problem is, they are required by studios to use hardware encryption built into the processor on the device, but every processor is different and not all phones actually have the libraries needed to access that encryption (they said this, and I can see how that would be true). So Netflix says they are doing as much as they can. From all outward appearances, we can't know if they really are working as hard as they can or not, but its not unreasonable to think they're being truthful when they say that. It very well could be tough for them to implement.
I do think that if they don't figure out something at least for Tegra 2, and fast, they're missing a big opportunity, but lets not blame them yet. If its not out in a few months, then they're a bunch of ****ers, but lets give them time. If they get Netflix for Xoom before Adobe gives it flash, I'll consider them "fast enough". I don't think they will, but lets hope!
-Taylor
I don't see the big deal of having Netflix on your phone. But I guess people really want to watch their favorite episode of Cake Boss on a 3.7 inch screen.
Canceled my netflix today.with no foreseeable future of n1 support, the stream library is just not worth the 8 bucks a month.
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I don't see the big deal of having Netflix on your phone. But I guess people really want to watch their favorite episode of Cake Boss on a 3.7 inch screen.
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Yeah I'm with you, I can never find the time to watch videos outside of short youtube clips on my phone, I don't see how people can watch a movie on it. I much prefer my netflix through my Xbox 360 on my 42 inch HDTV.
It's easy to get caught in the excitement of a new device and/or other purchase. I too became the victim of setting unreal expectations and have a love hate relationship with my new XOOM.
Day 1: This thing is great!
Day 2: I am returning this thing tonight.
Day 3: Wow, this thing really does a lot of things very well.
Day 4: TBD
So what have I learned:
1.) DO NOT get consumed by everything you read on any forum or review site. Example: yesterday when I read a few threads about the possible video limitations I was immediately returning the device that evening. Then I took a breath, went home, converted a few videos and you know what...I was more than pleased with the results. Get Handbrake, adjust the settings properly and the videos look & sounds exceptional.
2.) The XOOM is a damn fine reader and web browser. Sure a few things are annoying and missing (Flash & User-Agent) but they are minor and there is a solution to get around these temporary limitations. The Kindle app, Pulse and Google Books are excellent. I waited for flash on my DroidX and I will wait for it here.
3.) Sure there are not many "Tablet" apps but you know what there are plenty of "Phone" apps that work just as well. Skype, PDF Readers, Mail, Maps, Twitter, Facebook, etc., etc., etc.. There is still a lot there. You can only have so many first choice apps anyway. I am pleased to use the apps that are available and will await the upgrades when the change to Android 3.0.
4.) This battery is AMAZING; at least for me. Three days now, after quite a bit of web browsing, watching a few movies, trying quite a few apps, etc., etc. The battery is still ~ 35%. I can only browse the web over wifi for maybe an hour before the batter is ready to roll over on my DroidX. This battery life has exceeded my expectations by leaps and bounds.
5.) I could go on. Rather than taking a look at the shortcomings I am trying to take the opposite approach. This is a nice device and I find it especially exciting because if this is a rushed product I cannot wait to see what is coming in time. I have been in software development and product development for over 10 years and I have seen truly "rushed" projects...this may have been "pushed" but by my standards not "rushed". There is a lot to like here.
Anyway, take a breath and enjoy what this device does well; which is many things. Everyday, it seems to get a little better.
Thank you.
I'm extremely sick of the "IT DOESN'T HAVE FEATURE X THAT I KNEW IT DIDN'T HAVE???? RETURNING NOW!"
It's not a magic steve jobs reality distortion machine so people immediately fault everything about it.
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2.) The XOOM is a damn fine reader and web browser. Sure a few things are annoying and missing (Flash & User-Agent) but they are minor and there is a solution to get around these temporary limitations.
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The User-Agent thing isn't the Xoom or Honeycomb's fault. Rather, it's websites that do not distinguish between the "Android" UAString and the "Android Mobile" UAString.
If it bothers you for a particular site, why not try brining it to the attention of the site's admin so they can fix it on their end?
Great post! And the battery life really is awesome (didn't quite expect that coming from an overclocked Droid 1, although being able to swap out batteries has made up for that)
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The User-Agent thing isn't the Xoom or Honeycomb's fault. Rather, it's websites that do not distinguish between the "Android" UAString and the "Android Mobile" UAString.
If it bothers you for a particular site, why not try brining it to the attention of the site's admin so they can fix it on their end?
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Here is an article describing what I am talking about and how to get around it. Just need to use about:debug.
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Here is an article describing what I am talking about and how to get around it. Just need to use about:debug.
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Yes, I know about that already but it is a work around. The permanent "fix" is for websites to treat the "Android" UAString differently than they treat the "Android Mobile" UAString.
Good post. The initial shock is due to it being an unfinished product. The potential is definitely there. They gave promises and then didn't deliver on those but said i promise a little bit later. Having the devices we know the potential and will get to see it come to fruition. It's not "early adopter" it's unfinished retail product that we paid for later promises. They will come have to be patient, but we can surely ***** in the meantime
The hardware is capable, just need software finished to utilize it properly.
Once we start getting more honeycomb apps it will help quench our desire while waiting for system updates.
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Yes, I know about that already but it is a work around. The permanent "fix" is for websites to treat the "Android" UAString differently than they treat the "Android Mobile" UAString.
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Correct, sorry misunderstood what you wrote.
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Correct, sorry misunderstood what you wrote.
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Not a problem. I just didn't want the idea perpetuated that this is a Xoom/Honeycomb problem.
Well it is, kind of. Google just made up a new user string (afaik) and now everyone expects that all webmasters jump into their cars to get to work to adjust the website for it...
Just give it some time...
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Well it is, kind of. Google just made up a new user string (afaik) and now everyone expects that all webmasters jump into their cars to get to work to adjust the website for it...
Just give it some time...
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Wrong. The user string just happens to say Android... as it should. Websites grab the word android and redirect to the mobile site.
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For me there is really only one complaint, no Flash. I know most people say that you don't need it and it's really not that useful but PlayOn is an app that lets you stream Netflix and Hulu if you have Flash. So right now I could be watching Hulu and Netflix if only the Xoom had Flash. UGGG!