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I'm wondering what the experience has been for people using Opera 8.6. I installed the free beta version months ago, which is working, and I'm wondering if it is worth it to buy the latest retail version.
Any Opera users care to comment on their experience?
Generally I find this a good browser but there a few problems which I must mention:-
1) One cannot configure it to store its Cache to SD card. There are ways around this but nothing out of the box.
2) For large web pages with graphics and annimations vertical scrolling becomes really painful as the page does not scroll smoothly with the vertical bar. This gets really really annoying at times.
3) There is a slight lag between pressing of a link and the browser responding. You tend to press the link repeatedly thinking the browser has not responded and then it hangs. However this is something you soon get used to so not that much of a problem.
4) Quite often it does not load the page fully and gets stuck towards the last bits of the page. This is more so for pages with annimations. The progress bar gets stuck when the page has almost been downloaded and only a small percent is left. You then have to refresh the page and usually the 2nd attempt gets you through the full page.
4) The worst problem for me which has really limited its use is that once you have used this it stops some other programs to start and you have to soft-reset. Typical examples are Netfront, Planmaker and Textmaker. After using Opera and having killed it these programs will often not start without a soft-reset.
As I said at the start it is still a good browser and so I am not mentioning the good things but these are just the glitches which seriously mar the user experience of an otherwise good product. In fact though I have a registered version I find myself using it less and less and prefering Netfront over it simply of some of the annoying bugs I mention.
Regards
I agree with smrz completely, and have suffered from the issues outlined, but I'd like to add:
- Opera 8.6 can't handle some pages very well (I'm thinking of the Yahoo pages where you need to log in). It just doesn't render them in any sort of useable fashion.
Having said this, I still use it as my main browser, and find that in combination with PIE, then I can do pretty much everything I want on the web.
Cheers,
Steve.
are there any differences between the beta version and the retail version?
1) One cannot configure it to store its Cache to SD card. There are ways around this but nothing out of the box.
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Here a post I wrote on moving cache of Opera on SD card...
http://www.planete-htc.com/index.php?mod=forum&ac=voir&cat=101&id=5514
Open opera.ini file, go to [User Prefs]. At the end of that paragraph, write that ligne
Cache Directory4=\Storage Card\x with x the folder you choosed for cache on your SD.
For french roms, Storage Card must be replaced by Carte de Stockage
Opera is not perfect, but is largely better than other mobile browers...
Thanks for the input. I'm not sure I will pay for the retail version at this point.
Re: the difference between beta version and latest retail version, I'm sure there are many and would depend on the beta version. Main one that comes to mind is that I understand the retail version has a tabbed browser interface while my old beta version does not.
I wonder if Opera mobile will ever support Java?
opera 8.5/8.6 does not support java & javascript?
what about vbscript?
Where do we copy the opera.dll
I am running a trial version. Have the cracked opera.dll file. Where do I copy this to in order to prevent the 30 days to run up?
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I am running a trial version. Have the cracked opera.dll file. Where do I copy this to in order to prevent the 30 days to run up?
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Here's an idea: how about *paying* for it? I mean, it's only $24 or about 2% the RRP of an HTC Universal. Don't try to kid yourself that circumventing anti-piracy measures is anything other than stealing. If you use a cracked copy, you are a theif.
I agree I always buy software. I have 50+ apps on my IIs and all are paid for you, shouldn't try and steal money from hard working developers who are trying to make a living.
I am finding Opera 8.60 retail to be AWESOME!
In fact, I ditched the JasJar some months ago and have been using a JAM for some time. I only bought a new JJ cos of Opera on VGA. It's rendering most pages such as my online banking (which PIE cocked up completely), it zooms perfectly, and it's just amazing! If WM5 had come out with a decent broser on day one it would have driven operator ARPU's and internet usage. Now I have google with me wherever I go. I kind of had it on my JAM, but not really with that crappy low res screen.
This is a no brainer app and worth every cent!
Piracy
Nice thinking and have no objection. But if you got something for the first time you simply dont go about splashing money around. It is only fare that I want to make use of it, see & decide. If you check 8.6 is not the latest version it is an old version. By paying I would now be getting v9 (see I checked it and am planning to) but need to see if it is what I need / want.
Stereotyping aint really good. Peace anyway....
PS: Besides doing this kind of stuff is always the best way of learning the logic, structure of how a device works. And that is my main interest in these stuff. Not getting all for free. Thanks for your comments anyway...
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Nice thinking and have no objection. But if you got something for the first time you simply dont go about splashing money around. It is only fare that I want to make use of it, see & decide. If you check 8.6 is not the latest version it is an old version. By paying I would now be getting v9 (see I checked it and am planning to) but need to see if it is what I need / want.
Stereotyping aint really good. Peace anyway....
PS: Besides doing this kind of stuff is always the best way of learning the logic, structure of how a device works. And that is my main interest in these stuff. Not getting all for free. Thanks for your comments anyway...
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yust for info...8.6(with the bug correction version 8.6u1) is the last and the only opera for ppc version ever done. Version 9 is for PC...if I'm wrong excuse me and tell me were you find the ver 9 for ppc...
Regards
Massimo
bbaytu said:
Nice thinking and have no objection. But if you got something for the first time you simply dont go about splashing money around.
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I'm using Opera on the trial. 30 days is plenty of time to make your mind up. If you don't really use it enough to make up your mind in that time, then don't buy it. If you do, buy it. $24 really is next to nothing for a product. That wouldn't a decent sandwich, cake and a cup of tea!
It is only fare that I want to make use of it, see & decide. If you check 8.6 is not the latest version it is an old version. By paying I would now be getting v9 (see I checked it and am planning to) but need to see if it is what I need / want.
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They provide a trial for that purpose. If they didn't, I still wouldn't agree. Afterall, I can't try out a holiday before I buy it and if I don't like the terms, I can simple boycott the product.
Stereotyping aint really good. Peace anyway....
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I'd hardly call it stereotyping. Stereotyping is painting a group with a broad brush and, in doing so, encompassing more than rightfully fit the description. However, calling all pirates theives is not stereotyping as all piracy is theft.
PS: Besides doing this kind of stuff is always the best way of learning the logic, structure of how a device works. And that is my main interest in these stuff. Not getting all for free. Thanks for your comments anyway...
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I know I'm on a very high horse here, but I cannot and will not tolerate piracy. It *does* hurt people (developers, distributers, support staff, everyone in the chain and their families) and they only reason why it's not as widely regarded as wrong is because everyone knows they will more than likely get away with it. Steal Opera is no better than stealing a wallet or an item of jewellery or anything else. It's ALL theft.
I'm using an early beta that does not have the 30 day limit.
Am I stealing?
The reason I posted the question is because I am not averse to paying for a good finished product. It seems craigiecraig4 (if I have the name spelled right) would say that Opera 8.6 is a good finished product.
That is the type of opinion I was soliciting.
I think anyone who has a beta version of software on there device have in a way paid for it because they put there device on the line to test the product.
xda_guy said:
opera 8.5/8.6 does not support java & javascript?
what about vbscript?
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It does support JS but doesn't support Java.
ALL: Please DO read my web browser reviews. The vast majority of the questions asked in this thread have already been answered / explained in there.
bonisalive said:
Here a post I wrote on moving cache of Opera on SD card...
http://www.planete-htc.com/index.php?mod=forum&ac=voir&cat=101&id=5514
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An English tutorial is at http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=916&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
Menneisyys said:
It does support JS but doesn't support Java.
ALL: Please DO read my web browser reviews. The vast majority of the questions asked in this thread have already been answered / explained in there.
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Dude - your articles are GREAT! Going thro many of your past posts now...keep it up!
sorry guys just trying to be helpful to thoes seeking more information about the phone... someone on that site has there hands on the phone already! and is willing to answer any questions you guys might have!
who vincent?. who has it
I have one if anyone has any questions..
Memory leak
The person who has the G1 phone on androidcommunity says it has a bad memory leak and he has to reboot often. Have you seen the same thing?
He also said there was no file folder system and it was hard to find files. Is this true?
Thanks,
Tim
and they have more everything
2 different app stores for android?
there is the android market..and maybe im crazy , but isnt there another app store for android?
can sum1 provide info ?
thanx
yeah they do have alot of stuff there. but ill be coming here for my apps and OS upgrades/ roms
cookzitall said:
there is the android market..and maybe im crazy , but isnt there another app store for android?
can sum1 provide info ?
thanx
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lol no its the android market goto http://androidcommunity.com you will find everything android there have fun.
There's also http://www.trackdroid.com and http://android-freeware.org
I've noticed that using Android Market on different ROM versions, different apps show up in the Android Market.
i dont have all the apps on my market app, really sucks
Found new app site!
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i dont have all the apps on my market app, really sucks
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Guys i found a new site with apps...and it seemd very well designed and have some short of application that u install and then u download what u need.
Nice to see some other places ecxept google market
www.slideme.org
wizzo65 said:
Guys i found a new site with apps...and it seemd very well designed and have some short of application that u install and then u download what u need.
Nice to see some other places ecxept google market
www.slideme.org
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I'm going to wait to read reviews on some of these non-google sponsored android marketplaces as I think that's where the malware is going to show up. The user is always the biggest hole in any security plan.
http://www.android-freeware.org/ Do Not attempt
DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FREEWARE ON OTHER SITES. Thier is a reason that it is not in the android app store. I downloaded a program from http://www.android-freeware.org/ and it crashed my device and since T-Mobile will not support it yet, its useless at the moment.
Be patient wait for all the apps to load in the market.
Hope this saves someones device
Ok so I tried:
Took sim out and booted up in Safe mode. Was able to actually open the menu and go into settings. I went into applications and the error came up again.
So I had to master reset the device and it is now working back to normal
It's a bit blanket to say to not download any apps from a site just because a beta app crashed your device.. There are many apps there from many different developers, and while some may be quite unstable, some may also be fairly good..
It was my understanding that the Android Market would be similarly unregulated, so I honestly think you'd have the same chance of finding a app that has some issues there as you would at another site.
It would help to know which app you were trying to use that crashed, so we know which app to avoid.
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It's a bit blanket to say to not download any apps from a site just because a beta app crashed your device.. There are many apps there from many different developers, and while some may be quite unstable, some may also be fairly good..
It was my understanding that the Android Market would be similarly unregulated, so I honestly think you'd have the same chance of finding a app that has some issues there as you would at another site.
It would help to know which app you were trying to use that crashed, so we know which app to avoid.
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Here is my take on this. Google has never said that the Android Market would be unregulated. They would be idiots to say that and even bigger idiots to actually follow through on that. They've made a huge investment in Android and intend for it to grow. To protect their investment I am positive that there is a team of android employees who's job it will be to regularly download and test new apps, especially from new/untested developers to make sure that 1. it's not malware 2. it doesn't crash the OS or cause any other problems. This is protecting their investment.
What I have heard as regards to the android market is that it will not be heavily regulated like the apple market. For example Apple refuses to let you sell apps that compete with one of their own products, or a product they have in development.
Thus my thought is this. The most amount of regulation that Android apps on google's Android Market will undergo will be minimal. Most legit developers will not have a problem setting up space on the market, and getting their apps out to users. So, given that, what are you likely to find elsewhere? Apps that don't even meet the basic requirements of the Android Market. Apps that are malware, or will crash the OS, or snake oil salesmen trying to make a quick buck, and thus can't/won't be allowed on the Android Market (or will be removed quickly) That equals problems in my book, and there is no way I'm going to download anything that's not at the Android Market, at least not for a very long time. If it's legit, it should be at the Android Market where I can trust it.
thanks for the tip, will trust your experience and leave apps that aren't in the market alone. Thank god you got yours working again!!!
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DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FREEWARE ON OTHER SITES. Thier is a reason that it is not in the android app store. I downloaded a program from http://www.android-freeware.org/ and it crashed my device and since T-Mobile will not support it yet, its useless at the moment.
Be patient wait for all the apps to load in the market.
Hope this saves someones device
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Which app did this?
thanks,
jason
yeah, i was looking at that site and some of those apps look pretty cool, what app was it that crashed your phone?
Hi guy's
I've started a thread over at tvcatchup.com's forum to gather support for a windows mobile application or at least access to the tv streams that the iphone uses as they have a special portal that doesnt use flash.
Just wondered if it would be possible for you to show your interest in this thread too and bring tvcatchup.com to WM
Thanks
+1 ________________
Cant believe there arnt more people out there who want this working on WM!!, maybe its my fault for just making this post in the Leo section of the forum.
I've tried seting my user agent in Firefox to iphone 3.0 UA and managed to get the page to load where for bbc one it has this url
http://84.234.22.109:1935/iphone/iphone_bbcone.sdp/playlist.m3u8?stream=bbcone
which downloads a playlist, if you open the playlist in notpad you get this
#EXTM3U
#EXT-X-STREAM-INFROGRAM-ID=1,BANDWIDTH=100000
http://84.234.22.109:1935/iphone/ip...t.m3u8?wowzasessionid=431120102&stream=bbcone
But after that I have no idea what to do to make it stream on the phone
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But after that I have no idea what to do to make it stream on the phone
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It's the m3u8 file format that's the problem there. It's not something we can play on WM devices.
I've tried to sign up to the site so I can post words of encouragement and support on the thread, but it just keeps throwing an error, so i can't
Good luck with this - I'd love to see this on WM.
Surely the playlist just directs the iphone to some H.264 stream, Im sure something like coreplayer would be able to play that? but as you say the playlist doesnt open.
I tried renaming the .m3u8 to just .m3u (as that's what coreplayer recognises) but no luck after that,
Can I ask a mod to move this to a more appropriate section to get more exposure.
Thanks
made a post on tvcatchup thread. lets wait and see if they show any interest.
Well it looks like there's been a response from them
Their are 12 versions of Windows Mobile operateing system.
Id hate to guess how many different phones are useing the variaty of Os's.
Their are massive compatibility issues within each and every OS version and Mobile Phone Type.
iPhone was chosen as our first step onto the mobile market as their is ONE operateing system and specifications between each iPhone are the same. Its one of the most sold new phones on the market and its keep selling. It was highly feasible for an iphone application.
Windows Mobile on the other hand would be very complex. It would cost TVCatchup to develop such application, and we have not yet finished the iPhone which is in Beta.
One step at a time im afraid, we can not jump into every handset from day one.
If theirs a skilled windows mobile developer reading this that uses TVCatchup, we do have an API.
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No idea where they got the 12 versions of WM from but its the last sentance that perked up my ears, They have an API for a budding xda developer to use!!!
DMAND said:
Well it looks like there's been a response from them
No idea where they got the 12 versions of WM from but its the last sentance that perked up my ears, They have an API for a budding xda developer to use!!!
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Yep... i read that and replied also (im ukbreakbeat on there)
Come on XDA Devs... you know you want to get on this!
Cheers mate, I've contacted a certain dev on here with a well know tv app, hopefully they give him the goodies
Anyone know about any progress? Is FryWalker working on it?
He let me know he had been in contact with their lead developer, and that they were very helpful, I belive he's working on it
I thought I'd bump this as Fry seems to be getting the cold shoulder from the tvcatchup guys apparently, I thought anyone interested in the development would like to know and of course let them know that us WM owners still want an app developed!
Surely all that would be needed is a codec for core player to allow it to play the m3u8 playlist??
I have done a bit of sleuthing and there is a program called pocket player that claims to be able to play m3u8 files but I've had no luck with this so far.
I just use Skyfire to watch.. and it works fine. Looks perfect especially in landscape mode.
Yeah Skyfire works but it's frame rate is low
Hi,
I'm using skyfire on t-mobile UK and get an error on the stream stating it is non-UK - has anyone else seen this and does anyone know a workaround ?
Ta,
Inclement
inclement_weather said:
Hi,
I'm using skyfire on t-mobile and get an error on the stream stating it is non-UK - has anyone else seen this and does anyone know a workaround ?
Ta,
Inclement
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If you check on the TV catchup forums, this is because you downloaded the US version of the software and not the UK version.
DMAND said:
I thought I'd bump this as Fry seems to be getting the cold shoulder from the tvcatchup guys apparently, I thought anyone interested in the development would like to know and of course let them know that us WM owners still want an app developed!
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I thought they were all on board for Fry to develop his MyPlayer app to include TV Catchup streams?
SteveI said:
If you check on the TV catchup forums, this is because you downloaded the US version of the software and not the UK version.
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Hi - thanks for the tip - I checked around and had to change my DNS settings to a UK server then reinstall Skyfire so it'd pick up a UK farm. Done that and it connects fine !
Only thing (there's always something) is now that the picture is great but there's no audio - any ideas why no sound is coming through and if there's something I need to change ? I checked the IP settings and there's no compression set - not sure what else to check.
Thanks for any help,
Inclement
Karlos G said:
Yeah Skyfire works but it's frame rate is low
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Agree. Installed it last night, and it works albeit a bit choppy. I only tried it due to a dedicated iphone freak at work going on about tvcatchup, and that the HD2 can't do it. Can't wait to see him later
Got a Vibrant yesterday to "try out" the android world for the first time. Must say I'm impressed by the phones performance out of the box even with all the bloatware and crap on it. I've been a windows mobile guy for quite some time now, so the people that know both platforms well, know they are two completely different monsters. My two options were the hd2 (since i know the WM world pretty well) or learn a whole new platform with the vibrant.
I like it so far, but also miss some of the things from WM (or rather miss knowing my phone well). I guess i just have to start from zero and get acquainted with it first.
Any suggestions on getting the bare down scoop of the platform and such as far as learning it from the ground up? The sticky explains how to do these things, but I need something more basic...I just wanna become proficient in the android world as I am in the WM world starting from zero.
Its hard to say where to start, the best thing about android is the customization. Playing with phone is the only way you are gonna learn, I have been an android owner since day one and am still learning new things everyday. If there is something I don't know I simply come here since this is the best android community on the web. Hope you enjoy IMO the best android phone on the market.
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Yeah, really not that much to help with...everything seems pretty intuitive to me. When in doubt, long press or press menu.
My first questions were always like:
Sweet I have Avatar on here, what else Can I put on?
Oh damn, there's only a 2GB Card, and if I remove it, I lose Avatar.
WTF is amazon kindle for? I don't need this? How can I remove Bloats?
That's where I started off, you're most likely going to want to root it. Search the forums around. There's some great stickies to follow by and just go with that.
Can't wait for CM? Learn to make your own APP to have fun with ;p
phragg said:
My first questions were always like:
Sweet I have Avatar on here, what else Can I put on?
Oh damn, there's only a 2GB Card, and if I remove it, I lose Avatar.
WTF is amazon kindle for? I don't need this? How can I remove Bloats?
That's where I started off, you're most likely going to want to root it. Search the forums around. There's some great stickies to follow by and just go with that.
Can't wait for CM? Learn to make your own APP to have fun with ;p
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Well, kindle isn't that bad considering you can get a ton of free books for it.
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phragg said:
My first questions were always like:
Sweet I have Avatar on here, what else Can I put on?
Oh damn, there's only a 2GB Card, and if I remove it, I lose Avatar.
WTF is amazon kindle for? I don't need this? How can I remove Bloats?
That's where I started off, you're most likely going to want to root it. Search the forums around. There's some great stickies to follow by and just go with that.
Can't wait for CM? Learn to make your own APP to have fun with ;p
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Well, you could always copy Avatar onto a larger card and then go wild! That's what I did, it will play lots of 720p mkv's that you might have laying around no problem!
Long press and menu are your friends. Other than that look here on xda and use the search function. The stickies typically have the most current info.
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phragg said:
My first questions were always like:
Sweet I have Avatar on here, what else Can I put on?
Oh damn, there's only a 2GB Card, and if I remove it, I lose Avatar.
WTF is amazon kindle for? I don't need this? How can I remove Bloats?
That's where I started off, you're most likely going to want to root it. Search the forums around. There's some great stickies to follow by and just go with that.
Can't wait for CM? Learn to make your own APP to have fun with ;p
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what is CM?
I am a programmer by profession. Maybe I could look into the world of android programming too while im at it
phragg said:
My first questions were always like:
Sweet I have Avatar on here, what else Can I put on?
Oh damn, there's only a 2GB Card, and if I remove it, I lose Avatar.
WTF is amazon kindle for? I don't need this? How can I remove Bloats?
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I didn't have those questions. I mean the first thing i did was move avatar to my 16gb msdhc into it and go wild with my music, photo, and videos...which I'm amazed how good of sound/video quality i get on this.
I thought more of like where do how do I view flash websites, how do i stream live .pls live music streams, or smaller things like hiding apps from the notification area at the top left when they are running, or resizing certain widgets, removing some of the applications that came with the phone from t mobile, mapping buttons to do different things based on holding them down or tapping a certain amount of times, things like that that aren't explained in the user manual. Or even like right now, I'm trying to make a call and it says: "Call not sent"...well? whyyyyyyyyy? so many questions!
I don't know, I guess all this is just part of the familiarization process and will sooner or later find them out whether by experience or hunting down resources why certain behaviors and actions happen.
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Long press and menu are your friends. Other than that look here on xda and use the search function. The stickies typically have the most current info.
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what is long press?
^ you should read the sticky. A lot of the things you mentioned, are addressed in the sticky.
Also, flash is only on Android 2.2, which we do not have yet.
achild said:
Got a Vibrant yesterday to "try out" the android world for the first time. Must say I'm impressed by the phones performance out of the box even with all the bloatware and crap on it. I've been a windows mobile guy for quite some time now, so the people that know both platforms well, know they are two completely different monsters. My two options were the hd2 (since i know the WM world pretty well) or learn a whole new platform with the vibrant.
I like it so far, but also miss some of the things from WM (or rather miss knowing my phone well). I guess i just have to start from zero and get acquainted with it first.
Any suggestions on getting the bare down scoop of the platform and such as far as learning it from the ground up? The sticky explains how to do these things, but I need something more basic...I just wanna become proficient in the android world as I am in the WM world starting from zero.
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Congrats on your new phone. Let us know how your GPS works, since that seems to be a hot issue. you can test using google maps, google navigation and GPS Test downloadable from the Android Market.
SamsungGalaxySVibrant said:
Congrats on your new phone. Let us know how your GPS works, since that seems to be a hot issue. you can test using google maps, google navigation and GPS Test downloadable from the Android Market.
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haha that seems to be a problem with any gps enabled phone nowadays. Happened with the fuze and after months and months of tweaking and tweaking we got a hang of it. I tried the GPS yesterday on my way home from work yesterday and did not get a lock, i went ahead and downloaded gps test today to see if that will unlock it before using the gps software. We shall see! Thanks for the heads up tho!
edit: I guess gps test on android works differently than on WM. On WM it scans through your COM ports and gets a fix for you to then use your gps navigation software.
achild said:
what is CM?
I am a programmer by profession. Maybe I could look into the world of android programming too while im at it
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please do!
we could always use more programmers.
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what is long press?
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Instead of tapping on something you hold your finger down for a few seconds. A menu will pop up giving you options like copy and paste.
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If your phone won't play a video format, try RockPlayer
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I would recommend the market as the first place to go. Just start searching and downloading apps and play with your phone. You'll get accustomed to it very quickly!
Droidicus said:
I would recommend the market as the first place to go. Just start searching and downloading apps and pay with your phone. You'll get accustomed to it very quickly!
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Yeah thats what ive been doing. Thats another thing that amazes me about android, soooo many apps, and they are all centralized into one easy, convenient location. In wm you would find a few in the marketplace, and the rest u had to hunt down either on the forum or the web. This is slowly growing on me
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Coming from WM myself, (and just recently and very reticently turned over my beloved Wizard to my mom) the fun and unfun I have with Android:
Apps are so dratted cheap. Have at it.
Cloud connectivity. I use Picasa all the time now. It took me a while to get used to Google contacts, especially first name alphabetization, but I like it now.
You might want to look at subscribing to CompanionLink. It reliably syncs everything Outlook with your Google account (thus your phone).
Almost nothing was built into Android 1.0. Not much was added through 1.5. Some stuff has been added since, like Facebook sync, but custom ROMs don't add stuff. There's an app for everything. There has to be.
The app drawer is a hassle. I use FolderOrganizer (and ADW Launcher) to quell my addiction to organization beyond alphabetical.
It's fun to watch a few things catch up with WinMo and hear all the Android users brag about how great it is. Like app-specific auto-rotation. There's an app for it out now, but it actually costs something you'll think about, and it eats a hunk of RAM. They're just getting into animated GIFs. Lists and their apps aren't anywhere near ListPro, but they almost all have some way to sync to the cloud.
Office documents created on a PC don't always work with the Office apps that are out there. Don't bother with DocumentsToGo, but Sheadspreet is good (you have to convert first) and I'm trying OfficeSuite, and it seems the best. 30-day trial, $15. It's still not WinMo, though.
For those things you don't sync with the cloud, you can't just throw stuff in your My Documents Folder and rely on that backup. DropBox is a good app/service, and GoogleDocs is your friend. Most apps back up thier specific data to your SD, but on this phone, it's on the internal SD. You have to manually handle your backups, or do Nandroid backups (another worthwhile Google).
You have to install an app to install apps not from Market. Instead of exes their apks.
There's no Total Commander. I like Root Explorer. Astro is feature-filled. There are a million file explorers, and every one of them will have its advocates.
Flashing ROMs is tons easier, but you have to root first.
The Android world moves a lot faster. If you're off the forums for a week you'll feel like you've been in a coma for months. On the flip side, if you're waiting for something to get developed, waiting a few days feel like eternity.
Android devs work harder for a lot less, or no money; it's truly inspiring.
Before you go buying the first app that does what you want, check Market for more that do the same thing. I've found that there's a free alternative to almost everything. The paid versions/apps are more luxurious in one way or another, usually, but a little research can save you a bunch of regret.
Widgets suck RAM. Before you know it you've got 25 and you're wondering why your Home screen is lagging. Phones are finite. Even these.
CM is CyanogenMod. Google it, it's worth it. They started on XDA and it got out of control, so they have their own site now, although the threads still hanging on XDA re CM are a much more interesting read. It seems to be the most popular set of ROMS for a variety of devices. I follow and flash them (the ROMs, that is. I dont want the devs to hate me).
Double entendres are rampant. It's Google.
Once you get your apps organized, you'll be surprised at how smoothly your phone useage goes. Frankly, it's just more fun, and much cheaper, to play with.
SamsungGalaxySVibrant said:
Congrats on your new phone. Let us know how your GPS works, since that seems to be a hot issue. you can test using google maps, google navigation and GPS Test downloadable from the Android Market.
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Tested it. Google maps got no lock. However, gps test gave me 3 satellites, when I held it in front, under the windshiels it jumped to five satellites, but it wasn't enough for google maps to lock or get my location.
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I want to ask if we can get wm7 in HD2
after week, month
Please can you answer me Is it possible to run wm7 in HD2
And when we can get
and What is the difficulty of it
Thank you
m_mansour2 said:
I want to ask if we can get wm7 in HD2
after week, month
Please can you answer me Is it possible to run wm7 in HD2
And when we can get
and What is the difficulty of it
Thank you
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Unfortunately not and probably not for the foreseable future. Everyone is still waiting for NAND Android which appartantly was beleived that a fully working NAND ROM would be released near the end of September. Looks as tho its taking alot longer than they thought it would. However Android seem to be the main focus and not much is known about the development of WP7 on the HD2 apart from somebody has done it but it can't be released yet probably not much is working on it so just keep looking out every week or so as It won't be out anytime soon
why would you want it? it is inferior to WinMo 6.5 in most key areas
1. tethering (while it does support it, most of if not all of the harware is locked so the functionality is not exposed)
2. copy paste (yeah yeah we hear it's coming but it should have been there from the get go)
3. functionality as removable storage is not present nor is it supported by wp7 if you hack it to work (requires a hack on eacj host PC you connect the phone to)
4. UI customizing (WTF were they thinking?)
5. multi tasking for third party apps (they have appearantly reversed decisions on this)
6. BT functionality is limited.
No.
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anhyeuemmaimai said:
why would you want it? it is inferior to WinMo 6.5 in most key areas
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for me, cause i want a fast and stable system (sense isnt this rock stable and standard ui gives me not enough informations)...
anhyeuemmaimai said:
1. tethering (while it does support it, most of if not all of the harware is locked so the functionality is not exposed)
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never needed
anhyeuemmaimai said:
2. copy paste (yeah yeah we hear it's coming but it should have been there from the get go)
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i used it a couple of times and it was always hard bull
anhyeuemmaimai said:
3. functionality as removable storage is not present nor is it supported by wp7 if you hack it to work (requires a hack on eacj host PC you connect the phone to)
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pain in the ass...realy, hope ms will support this in future....but the main thing i need this, the media player didnt support playback my folder structure...so i dont care
anhyeuemmaimai said:
4. UI customizing (WTF were they thinking?)
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dont care
anhyeuemmaimai said:
5. multi tasking for third party apps (they have appearantly reversed decisions on this)
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dont care
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6. BT functionality is limited.
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dont care
0711 said:
for me, cause i want a fast and stable system (sense isnt this rock stable and standard ui gives me not enough informations)...
never needed
i used it a couple of times and it was always hard bull
pain in the ass...realy, hope ms will support this in future....but the main thing i need this, the media player didnt support playback my folder structure...so i dont care
dont care
dont care
dont care
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tHUS,
We DONT CARE
0711 said:
for me, cause i want a fast and stable system (sense isnt this rock stable and standard ui gives me not enough informations)...
never needed
i used it a couple of times and it was always hard bull
pain in the ass...realy, hope ms will support this in future....but the main thing i need this, the media player didnt support playback my folder structure...so i dont care
dont care
dont care
dont care
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Firstly visit www.htc.com and make sure you're running the latest ROM.
Then install SPB Mobile Shell 3.5, it's available via the MS market place as a free trial.
Also install S2P, it's a great music player which you can direct to monitor specific folders rather than adding every mp3 on your phone. Also re-size or replace your album art to 480x480 as it can take advantage of this.
I've done the above and have a fast, efficient and most importantly, stable Leo.
You can give it a go for no more than what? 30 minutes of your life? Do it next time you're sat on the toilet.
0711 said:
for me, cause i want a fast and stable system (sense isnt this rock stable and standard ui gives me not enough informations)...
never needed
i used it a couple of times and it was always hard bull
pain in the ass...realy, hope ms will support this in future....but the main thing i need this, the media player didnt support playback my folder structure...so i dont care
dont care
dont care
dont care
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fast stable OS? rally? reports are wp7 is slower at launching apps than it's predcessor....
just because you don't need it does not mean it is not a significant shortcoming
you have issues if you can't use copy and paste (you know something that has been a staple of windows since it's inception over 25 years ago)
no way to change the UI to your liking? YAY! I get the same crappy look as everyone else..
Multitasking is essential unless you love having those long delays in WP7 when launching apps over and over again because you are using an app and you get a ph call.... better hope your developer wrote that app correctly so it saves your state......
BT file transfer something from your friend's phone to yours? Opps you are SOL.....
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fast stable OS? rally? reports are wp7 is slower at launching apps than it's predcessor....
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Seriously, forget any report or review you read. Play with it yourself. I was VERY skeptical about WP7 and was utterly overwhelmed by it when I had a go with a HD7 recently. Seriously, it really is the smoothest and fastest UI I've ever seen, and it all makes sense when you're actually using it and not just watching a video.
anhyeuemmaimai said:
Multitasking is essential unless you love having those long delays in WP7 when launching apps over and over again because you are using an app and you get a ph call.... better hope your developer wrote that app correctly so it saves your state......
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That's exactly the point... it's down to the developers to correctly code their apps to save state when required. That means Microsoft have put in place a way to handle multiple applications being used asynchronously.
I cant wait for WP7 to work properly on the HD2 because I really want to start playing the xbox live games on it. But I doubt itll be fast and stable lol, I imagine it will be quite slow and crappy. + very ugly
anhyeuemmaimai said:
why would you want it? it is inferior to WinMo 6.5 in most key areas
1. tethering (while it does support it, most of if not all of the harware is locked so the functionality is not exposed)
2. copy paste (yeah yeah we hear it's coming but it should have been there from the get go)
3. functionality as removable storage is not present nor is it supported by wp7 if you hack it to work (requires a hack on eacj host PC you connect the phone to)
4. UI customizing (WTF were they thinking?)
5. multi tasking for third party apps (they have appearantly reversed decisions on this)
6. BT functionality is limited.
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7. It will rape your SD card. WP7 actually uses the "secure" in secure digital.
Callumpy said:
I cant wait for WP7 to work properly on the HD2 because I really want to start playing the xbox live games on it. But I doubt itll be fast and stable lol, I imagine it will be quite slow and crappy. + very ugly
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Don't hold your breath for any of those features seen as WP7 has a private key which bonds the hardware and software so i can't see the HD2 ever accessing any of the main features of WP7 (online anyway).
johncmolyneux said:
Seriously, forget any report or review you read. Play with it yourself. I was VERY skeptical about WP7 and was utterly overwhelmed by it when I had a go with a HD7 recently. Seriously, it really is the smoothest and fastest UI I've ever seen, and it all makes sense when you're actually using it and not just watching a video.
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I've posted about it before, I wouldn't say I found it slow, more long winded.
Rather than opening the apps instantly it seemed to want to make a song and dance about everything when really I just wanted to get going.
The HTC hub and weather for instance takes it to the extreme (not recomended for people who suffer travel sickness!)
Ok it's not "go away and make a cuppa" time (or go away and read War and Peace like when a BB reboots), but I did find it frustrating. It may indeed be quicker than on the HD2, but it certainly didn't feel it.
I kept wanting to open task manager to see how many apps were running and slowing it down.
xaccers said:
I've posted about it before, I wouldn't say I found it slow, more long winded.
Rather than opening the apps instantly it seemed to want to make a song and dance about everything when really I just wanted to get going.
The HTC hub and weather for instance takes it to the extreme (not recomended for people who suffer travel sickness!)
Ok it's not "go away and make a cuppa" time (or go away and read War and Peace like when a BB reboots), but I did find it frustrating. It may indeed be quicker than on the HD2, but it certainly didn't feel it.
I kept wanting to open task manager to see how many apps were running and slowing it down.
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Yeah, I do agree that a lot goes on when you run something. There's always some transition or other taking place, and I can see that this would annoy some people instantly, and everyone else eventually. I didn't dig around looking for any customisation options for the UI, so I don't know if it can be tidied up in any way (like Android's animation options in display settings).
The HTC stuff was way more excessive than just regular apps though. Totally!
H3ALY said:
Don't hold your breath for any of those features seen as WP7 has a private key which bonds the hardware and software so i can't see the HD2 ever accessing any of the main features of WP7 (online anyway).
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Holy crap, that sucks. Time to save up for a HD7 then.
This thread makes good points. I can now say I can wait for WP7.
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H3ALY said:
Don't hold your breath for any of those features seen as WP7 has a private key which bonds the hardware and software so i can't see the HD2 ever accessing any of the main features of WP7 (online anyway).
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If you can jailbreak an iphone something similar will appear for this. I have high hopes for the future of this but probably won't have picked up enough for me to want it until next december when my contract finally ends lol
Jammie_1989 said:
If you can jailbreak an iphone something similar will appear for this. I have high hopes for the future of this but probably won't have picked up enough for me to want it until next december when my contract finally ends lol
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Think of it like xbox live on the 360 with the hacked firmwares. The chefs can do as much as they like to keep spoofing the phones so users will be able to use Zune, Windows Live, Xbox Live and other cloud services but either way Microsoft are not stupid and will keep putting a stop to it it will be short lived attempts. I would like WP7 on my HD2 myself but you have to be realistic MS have worked on a new OS and they will want to protect their new investment. IF WP7 is ported i'm pretty sure we wont have the online features for long and if anything WP7 on the HD2 will be more of a ZUNE player (offline). Don't compare the iPhone to the HD2 the iPhone is jailbroken to make use of the features it "has" this is a totally different kettle of fish porting an OS then expecting full features.
about the online cloud service, i think it is too early to say it can not be unlocked.
MS always do not want other people to crack the system. but, as you can see, windows 7 has been cracked perfectly.
just give developers more time to do their work. time will come
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about the online cloud service, i think it is too early to say it can not be unlocked.
MS always do not want other people to crack the system. but, as you can see, windows 7 has been cracked perfectly.
just give developers more time to do their work. time will come
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How is a desktop/Laptop/Netbook/Tablet operating system anything like an OS for a smartphone that is locked to hardware and tied with a private key to the software. I've not said they won't get it running no doubt they will get the OS to run but the key features probally not be something that will be avaliable (online).