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basic flashing with roms from the threads.

Well after much reading and skimming....I was able to brick, unbrick, and finally flash a rom that i like....
I took a while but the way i figure whats spending your whole day off learning about your phone in the scheme of things.
Ok. So, the T MOBILE WING is also known as the Atlas a variation of the original Herald model. This is very important to know because there are very many roms scattered about throughout the threads. IF YOU FLASH THE WRONG DEVICES ROM YOU MAY PERMANENTLY BRICK YOUR PHONE REQUIRING SERVICE OR A NEW UNIT!!!! So, be sure you know which device you have and which rom is for that device. Most you will find in a thread will more than likely tell you which model family it is for.
What I did was began with the HardSPL which you can find in the forums along with many different ways of installing it....
Then I installed a rom not designed for my device....VERY BAD....or so I thought. Much to my amazement because I read so damn much before I began I jumped back to some old thread and realized since i couldn't get the computer to connect properly i could still use my sd card to flash. I flashed the TMO original wing rom to the phone and viola` back to square one....
Next I called T MOBILE. I asked them to unlock my wing. They were very helpful and told me they would email me the info necessary. ***IN LESS THAN 24 HOURS I RECIEVED AN EMAIL TELLING ME EXACTLY HOW TO UNLOCK MY PHONE**** Do not waste your money on one of those websites that unlocks your phone your service provider will do it for free if you are past the trial period.
finally i found a rom I liked (open touch final ) installed it via sd card and haven't had a problem since.
Don't know who's ego I need to stroke but let me say that everything you need to learn how to do whatever you want with your wing is right here in these forums. Thanks to all the contributors and the guys who asked the dumbest questions I was far too cautious to ask. There is a plethora of information here I just wish it was more organized it was a lot of reading. But once again thanks to those who answered the tough questions.
Greg
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Annoyed with Samsung and lack of partitioning SD Card support

As you all know if you've used this phone for a while, it lags a bit going from app to app or opening them.. In the development section they have roms and flash-able fixes but you have to partition your sd card a certain way and it so annoying that this double phone storage on the vibrant makes it difficult or not accessible at all to partition the external sd card. Ive been looking for ways to do this but I keep getting the run around to download these programs on the pc to partition it and even the direction for dummies doesn't work for me, so I guess i need directions for idiots in which im truly not. I wonder why links for each program or even a video on you-tube isn't made for this. Why in the heck did samsung make the sd card unable to partition. Im so use to my nexus and how videos were out how to partition. Maybe i need to purchase a partitioned sd card from someone in Philadelphia or just wait for froyo and hope they fix the speed. I looooove this phone but im not use to the slow transitions to apps.
don't consider my a crying baby lol Just put yourself in my position and know that Ive been all around trying to partition this new 8gb class 4 sd card. I guess if someone has an easy way, let me know. I would appreciate it.
I know how to make my pc recognize my phone, I have a card reader and Im rooted. Just need help partitioning external sd card

LOL.... I won't flame, but perhaps Samsung is not at fault... perhaps partitioning the card is not going to help.... and perhaps a little searching will show you the commands to key in Terminal Emulator.
Just saying..... wow.

Wow is right, h.t.t.p://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=535914... Is it really that hard to look.. And this literally to 5 sec's it was the first thread to pop up
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App

stepinmyworld said:
As you all know if you've used this phone for a while, it lags a bit going from app to app or opening them.
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I have issues with Touchdown, thats about it. I switched to Launcher Pro and have very rare lag issue. Certainly not nearly enough to go all ago about trying to partition the card and such, the phone works great the vast majority of the time. So to make a broad generalization like that is not accurate.

both of yall and the sarcasm will be paid no mind. I just said ive looked through that stuff and nothing is very clear. If yall wanted to help, you could have messaged me. and you right, what's the need of flamming? anytime someone post something, people come in with sarcasm because they aren't having problems. If yall know it all, try explaining.. i mean it doesn't hurt to type.

bildo said:
Wow is right, h.t.t.p://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=535914... Is it really that hard to look.. And this literally to 5 sec's it was the first thread to pop up
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and smart allick, that's not a link you posted. Let me know if you can click on that.,......

bildo said:
Wow is right, h.t.t.p://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=535914... Is it really that hard to look.. And this literally to 5 sec's it was the first thread to pop up
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KerryG said:
I have issues with Touchdown, thats about it. I switched to Launcher Pro and have very rare lag issue. Certainly not nearly enough to go all ago about trying to partition the card and such, the phone works great the vast majority of the time. So to make a broad generalization like that is not accurate.
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It's my opinion. If you don't agree that's ok. I'm not hear to offended anyone's vibrant. Is it ok to give my experience with it?

I have spoon fed you twice, what did I get? You reported me for cussing (when I typed "F'ing") and a moderator got on to me because I pointed out you made two threads for the same thing, one of which was in the development section. Apologies if I'm not dying to assist. I DID answer your question though, again. I'm not sure why you feel you are entitled to being spoon fed every time you make a thread.

stepinmyworld said:
It's my opinion. If you don't agree that's ok. I'm not hear to offended anyone's vibrant. Is it ok to give my experience with it?
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Just download paragon partition manager and format the sd card as a FAT32, then put 1-2 GB partition of ext3 on the sd card (ext4 is you understand kernels, which I do NOT).
Should be simple. Paragon costs a couple of bills, but is a useful tool. Also, if you are really that desperate I sure there are ways to "acquire" that software for free. But I recommend paying the hard working developers for their thoughtful work.
If you need step-by-step on how to use paragon to make an ext2/3/4 partition, go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=512873

MTC44 said:
Just download paragon partition manager and format the sd card as a FAT32, then put 1-2 GB partition of ext3 on the sd card (ext4 is you understand kernels, which I do NOT).
Should be simple. Paragon costs a couple of bills, but is a useful tool. Also, if you are really that desperate I sure there are ways to "acquire" that software for free. But I recommend paying the hard working developers for their thoughtful work.
If you need step-by-step on how to use paragon to make an ext2/3/4 partition, go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=512873
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thank you. I will ignore the people that continually say smart things. I appreciate you being kind. I downloaded pargon manager and even tried to purchase it and guess what, it says my transaction couldn't go through loool.. i called pargon and they said it may be a hold from purchasing international things. i called my card company and they said it should work. but no working. o well, i guess this partitioning isnt for me lol. thanks so much though. I got all the way to partitioning ext 3 and it said i need to purchase the program. i have no luck lol

stepinmyworld said:
and smart allick, that's not a link you posted. Let me know if you can click on that.,......
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ummm... I don't know why he put the periods in http, but here's a link without that since cut-and-paste seems to be too hard.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=535914
That thread is as easy as it gets for DIY.
If you really want it, I could probably script fdisk in recovery and give you a flashable ZIP. I haven't done that because I don't want to listen to people complain that it deleted everything on their external SD card that they didn't backup even though I told them that would happen.
If you want the easy to use mods like the G1 has right now, you're going to have to wait a bit. We're all still getting up to speed on the Samsung way of doing things. It took the G1 almost 2 years to get where it is for that stuff. Look back a year or so, and you will see posts about how to partition the SD on a computer and such.
When you post, please keep in mind that the entitlement attitude has driven a number of rather good developers away from XDA in the past. Even Cyanogen got irritated for a while there and that guy is a saint. Nobody here owes you anything. Figure that out and you will be happier.
Now, if you really feel I should owe you something, here's my offer. Ship me your phone, with $100USD + return shipping costs and I will apply the current ext4 mod at the time I receive it. Including partitioning your SD card and full testing to ensure it's working properly before sending it back.
That's my going contract rate, so if you want to make demands on my time, you can pay me what my clients do. Keep in mind that the current mods I have posted for free, and my time here posting helping people out, also for free, would amount to about $1000 of my time were I charging for it. That's just for the Vibrant, not counting the tons of time I spent on the G1 forums. This is time I take away from my free time, which I have very little of. I do it because I enjoy tweaking my stuff. It would save me a lot of time and aggravation to not post about it and not share. However, I have benefited from other developers here and I want to contribute back to the community. Making people like me regret doing that is not a good way to get help.

stepinmyworld said:
and smart allick, that's not a link you posted. Let me know if you can click on that.,......
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stepinmyworld, by no means am i trying to flame or insult you. However, if you don't know how to copy and paste above URL into your address bar and remove spaces, you should not be trying flash anything on your phone as you stand a very good chance of bricking it or doing more harm than good.

@ttabbal
thanks for the reply and I understand. Patients is the key I im sure. I just don't like when people get offended and I really didn't mean it like owe us attention etc. Im only saying that people do contribute to donating and such for devopement and the kindness of their heart for devloper's good work... so because we have questions, we are called idiots, dummies, etc. That's not fair. But THANK YOU. it's all appreciated. Clearly you can see that there are some evil people within XDA and people shouldn't be allowed to just say what they want to someone because they *know it all*.
And you are absoulutely right about the G1 and it's production lol.. took a while. Im going to be patient.

Best thread ever.

MTC44 said:
Just download paragon partition manager and format the sd card as a FAT32, then put 1-2 GB partition of ext3 on the sd card (ext4 is you understand kernels, which I do NOT).
Should be simple. Paragon costs a couple of bills, but is a useful tool. Also, if you are really that desperate I sure there are ways to "acquire" that software for free. But I recommend paying the hard working developers for their thoughtful work.
If you need step-by-step on how to use paragon to make an ext2/3/4 partition, go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=512873
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mrxela said:
stepinmyworld, by no means am i trying to flame or insult you. However, if you don't know how to copy and paste above URL into your address bar and remove spaces, you should not be trying flash anything on your phone as you stand a very good chance of bricking it or doing more harm than good.
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Non Taken.. but you try to copy and paste this, even removing the dots at the end and see where it gets you
h.t.t.p://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=535914...
he typed h.t.t.p:
you can post XDA links to other XDA threads for reference on XDA if im not mistaken. So there was no need to do the h.t.t.p .. i only realized that after looking a 3rd time.
take a look before being sarcastic

I'll look at it, but no complaining when it erases everything on your SD. I will not care.

stepinmyworld said:
he typed h.t.t.p:
you can post XDA links to other XDA threads for reference on XDA if im not mistaken. So there was no need to do the h.t.t.p .. i only realized that after looking a 3rd time.
take a look before being sarcastic
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I'm going to point out thr painfully obvious, because I'm feeling generous. Remove the dots in h.t.t.p..... Making it http.... And therefore a valid link. The guy that posted that probably isn't allowed to post links yet and he added those to try to help you despite this restriction. And in your ignorance you attack him.
I'm saying this in all kindness and honesty, for your own good... Judging from what I've seen of you in this thread, and only this thread, I'm going to say you probably shouldn't be rooting or flashing your phone, as you are going to be far too likely to brick it.
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Alright fine, the things I do for you people. I'm still copying all the data back to my SD card, but flash with with clockwork/ROM Manager and you will get a 1GB ext3 partition set up properly. I didn't do ext4 because it requires a new kernel. If you can make Odin work, you can use adb shell and paste a couple commands into the terminal.
Note that by itself, this won't do anything for you. You need to apply one of the data/cache to SD hacks from the userinit thread in the development forum. My latest in my thread over there won't work without the new kernel, so don't try it unless you have updated the kernel. If you ask what Odin is, you haven't upgraded the kernel.
This will NOT work with the stock recovery, it's not signed with the right keys. It will also not do your laundry or create world peace. If you want more than 1GB, edit the script.
And yes, THIS WILL ERASE EVERYTHING ON THE EXTERNAL SD CARD.
It uses a modified version of the sdpartd script from the G1 forums, GNU parted, and e2fsprogs pulled from Amon-RA 1.7 along with some scripting by me. Tested on my Vibrant. I'll also post a copy in my thread in development for people looking for one-stop shopping.

ttabbal said:
Alright fine, the things I do for you people. I'm still copying all the data back to my SD card, but flash with with clockwork/ROM Manager and you will get a 1GB ext3 partition set up properly. I didn't do ext4 because it requires a new kernel. If you can make Odin work, you can use adb shell and paste a couple commands into the terminal.
Note that by itself, this won't do anything for you. You need to apply one of the data/cache to SD hacks from the userinit thread in the development forum. My latest in my thread over there won't work without the new kernel, so don't try it unless you have updated the kernel. If you ask what Odin is, you haven't upgraded the kernel.
This will NOT work with the stock recovery, it's not signed with the right keys. It will also not do your laundry or create world peace. If you want more than 1GB, edit the script.
And yes, THIS WILL ERASE EVERYTHING ON THE EXTERNAL SD CARD.
It uses a modified version of the sdpartd script from the G1 forums, GNU parted, and e2fsprogs pulled from Amon-RA 1.7 along with some scripting by me. Tested on my Vibrant. I'll also post a copy in my thread in development for people looking for one-stop shopping.
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I think he is wanting to try the rom here :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=743506
Hence the reason for wanting the partitioned card, I tried to help over in that other thread but he was making it harder than it really is. I was even going to write a step by step guide using GParted complete with pictures for him. But then someone linked that same thread above and I felt I'd just be re-inventing the wheel.
Thanks for hooking him up, I've got my fingers crossed it goes well for him.. Having spent 3 hours on my wife's phone after a failed flash I'm praying he doesn't have a problem. Odin is NOT a user friendly experience hehe.

Download and burn a GParted Live boot CD. Stick in your PC's drive and boot.
Completely free. Completely open source. And simple. I've used it many times to partition my SD card for my G1.

Whole HEAP of noob questions (sorry, but my head is hurting!!!)...

I have been playing around with SD builds since they first came along on the HD2. I have done a lot of skinning (and a really small amount of coding!) in WinMo/CHT. I am an intelligent guy, but I am beginning to think that everyone who's really into Android is speaking a different language to me! I have searched and read and searched and read, but really hope there is someone out there who knows what they are talking about to answer these few utterly basic questions which I can't find simple answers to
1. Are all of these builds that are being cooked for HD2 already rooted (I did say basic!)?
2. If not, how do I tell and what do I need to do?
3. Does Magdlr allow you the option of retaining WinMo on device and booting into an SD/RAM Android build?
4. What is ADB and does it do anything I can't already do on my phone with ESExplorer/Root Explorer/Titanium Backup?
5. What does mount/unmount SD card mean?
6. How can I tell what mods from other device threads can be safely applied - is it basically whatever device the HD2 ROM is based off is a safe bet for mods (framework.res, etc)?
7. Why is it all the devs never answer reasonable questions in their own threads and everyone in the Android forums treats you like a total idiot if you don't know EVERYTHING already! (Don't need an answer to this one, just blowing off steam )
So please, if anyone can stoop low enough to offer me answers in my quest for a basic understanding PLEEEEEASE do. And if we can make this thread a safe haven for fellow idiots to ask blindingly stupid questions of their own then so much the better

Dunc001 said:
I have been playing around with SD builds since they first came along on the HD2. I have done a lot of skinning (and a really small amount of coding!) in WinMo/CHT. I am an intelligent guy, but I am beginning to think that everyone who's really into Android is speaking a different language to me! I have searched and read and searched and read, but really hope there is someone out there who knows what they are talking about to answer these few utterly basic questions which I can't find simple answers to
1. Are all of these builds that are being cooked for HD2 already rooted (I did say basic!)?
2. If not, how do I tell and what do I need to do?
3. Does Magdlr allow you the option of retaining WinMo on device and booting into an SD/RAM Android build?
4. What is ADB and does it do anything I can't already do on my phone with ESExplorer/Root Explorer/Titanium Backup?
5. What does mount/unmount SD card mean?
6. How can I tell what mods from other device threads can be safely applied - is it basically whatever device the HD2 ROM is based off is a safe bet for mods (framework.res, etc)?
7. Why is it all the devs never answer reasonable questions in their own threads and everyone in the Android forums treats you like a total idiot if you don't know EVERYTHING already! (Don't need an answer to this one, just blowing off steam )
So please, if anyone can stoop low enough to offer me answers in my quest for a basic understanding PLEEEEEASE do. And if we can make this thread a safe haven for fellow idiots to ask blindingly stupid questions of their own then so much the better
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1. Most of them are, if not, you read the 1st post and it's most likely being mentioned there.
2. Read 1.
3. No. You can check the Android Development Section (non NAND) to use builds running from the SDcard so you can keep your WinMO)
4. It's a piece of software where you can edit/copy/add files and scripts to your connected Android device. Personally I don't use this.
5. IT mounts, or unmounts your sdcard. (Please do a google search)
I'll leave the other answers for what they are... as you are blowing off steam.
The only thing i can tell you is to read before you start. There are topics for first time users that explain how everything works. Read these topics and i doubt that anything can go wrong.
Sorry if this is not a satisfying answer, but there are more and more of these threads piling up with questions where answers easily can be found on XDA and if not, Google a little bit. I've been answering so many questions from people that or "can't find" the answer or simply are too lazy to do some homework before they take the plunge into Android.

1. They are supposed to be but sometimes the end up not been rooted properly.
2. Just install z4root from market.
3. No, it was suppsoed to have this feature originally but not sure if they changed mind or posponed it.
7. Because devs get far too many questions that have already been answered in abundance. 90% of questions can be answered if you do research. If you serach and cant find a answer then ask in the relevant questiosn forum unless the question specifically relates to a specific build. Plus devs dont always read all posts because teher is far too many retarded ones liek "hey thanks" (which is why the thaks button has now been added).

KrewsialNL said:
Sorry if this is not a satisfying answer, but there are more and more of these threads piling up with questions where answers easily can be found on XDA and if not, Google a little bit. I've been answering so many questions from people that or "can't find" the answer or simply are too lazy to do some homework before they take the plunge into Android.
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Faith in XDA members duly restored, thanks. Like I said, I have read and read, and have been resisting asking these questions because I can easily find the answers to the bigger more complicated ones so though I must be missing the basics everywhere I looked. So thanks for taking the time to answer, sorry if anyone thinks this thread is unnecessary (mods please delete it if you think it needs to go).

Dunc001 said:
Faith in XDA members duly restored, thanks. Like I said, I have read and read, and have been resisting asking these questions because I can easily find the answers to the bigger more complicated ones so though I must be missing the basics everywhere I looked. So thanks for taking the time to answer, sorry if anyone thinks this thread is unnecessary (mods please delete it if you think it needs to go).
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I do admit sometimes it's a big pile of nonsense where you have to read through to get a straight answer, though with persistence and the will to know Android and setting it up, it will get you somewhere.
Next to that, I am very happy i've restored your faith in all XDA members

dual boot Win 6.5 & Android 4

There are several old threads about dual-booting, and using this particular phone. I want Windows 6.5 or less and/or a desktop version of windows (because of certain apps)... and Android 4.0+ Is it possible? Would this phone be too slow... Is there a better phone that could do it? Is there no phone that could do it?

robertkjr3d said:
There are several old threads about dual-booting, and using this particular phone. I want Windows 6.5 or less and/or a desktop version of windows (because of certain apps)... and Android 4.0+ Is it possible? Would this phone be too slow... Is there a better phone that could do it? Is there no phone that could do it?
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I'm not sure about desktop Windows but as for Android just place the ROM folder on the root of your SD card then run CLRCAD and HARET and it should work just fine. No other phone can do it as well as the HD2 (if they can do it at all).

Nigeldg said:
I'm not sure about desktop Windows but as for Android just place the ROM folder on the root of your SD card then run CLRCAD and HARET and it should work just fine. No other phone can do it as well as the HD2 (if they can do it at all).
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Thankx for replying... I've posted on a few forums and haven't received anything till now. Anyway: So what you are saying is buy this HD2 phone preloaded with the Win 6.5 OS... Then put Android 4.0+ on the SDCard and boot into that. I would really want to run Android most of the time. I would connect the Android OS to my AT&T and make calls with it... and only use Win 6.5 rarely.
Questions:
1) Are there examples of people actually doing this? recently?... or just back in the days of 2.2 which as I mentioned in the 1st thread, i found many google links/forum threads on.
2) Can I still get to the Android market and all normal apps, and not have other DRM issues?
3) Since the OS is actually on the SDCard, and I hit the reset, would it automatically go to Windows, when I reset?

robertkjr3d said:
Thankx for replying... I've posted on a few forums and haven't received anything till now. Anyway: So what you are saying is buy this HD2 phone preloaded with the Win 6.5 OS... Then put Android 4.0+ on the SDCard and boot into that. I would really want to run Android most of the time. I would connect the Android OS to my AT&T and make calls with it... and only use Win 6.5 rarely.
Questions:
1) Are there examples of people actually doing this? recently?... or just back in the days of 2.2 which as I mentioned in the 1st thread, i found many google links/forum threads on.
2) Can I still get to the Android market and all normal apps, and not have other DRM issues?
3) Since the OS is actually on the SDCard, and I hit the reset, would it automatically go to Windows, when I reset?
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Come on, you don't even have to search to get your answer, just browse to the SD Android development forum. You're just being lazy now.

Nigeldg said:
I'm not sure about desktop Windows but as for Android just place the ROM folder on the root of your SD card then run CLRCAD and HARET and it should work just fine. No other phone can do it as well as the HD2 (if they can do it at all).
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Come on, you don't even have to search to get your answer, just browse to the SD Android development forum. You're just being lazy now.
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From Star Trek: Sarek said: "It is difficult to answer, when one does not understand the question." Or in my case, it was difficult to go looking for the answer, when not understanding how supposedly easy it was to find. Us IT people are in the business of making others feel stupid often, but we don't have to flaunt it.
Yes this is a good link, that now you have so eloquently pointed out: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1986437

robertkjr3d said:
From Star Trek: Sarek said: "It is difficult to answer, when one does not understand the question." Or in my case, it was difficult to go looking for the answer, when not understanding how supposedly easy it was to find. Us IT people are in the business of making others feel stupid often, but we don't have to flaunt it.
Yes this is a good link, that now you have so eloquently pointed out: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1986437
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There's a difference between not knowing/understanding and simply not trying. This was quite obviously the latter. I'm not trying to make you feel stupid at all, in fact you're probably the opposite since you're going to buy an HD2 . I'm just saying that you weren't exactly trying to find the answer and just wanted to be spoon fed, and as someone who's new to this you're probably going to have a lot of questions along the way and it's better to learn how to find the answers yourself than to just get given them because it's faster and better for everyone.

Nigeldg said:
There's a difference between not knowing/understanding and simply not trying. This was quite obviously the latter. I'm not trying to make you feel stupid at all, in fact you're probably the opposite since you're going to buy an HD2 . I'm just saying that you weren't exactly trying to find the answer and just wanted to be spoon fed, and as someone who's new to this you're probably going to have a lot of questions along the way and it's better to learn how to find the answers yourself than to just get given them because it's faster and better for everyone.
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If you wish to keep noobs as noobs, and turn them away, then continue to use sarcasm. But if you wish to turn noobs into contributors, and receive more thanks, than you treat them with respect. --- I've been looking for weeks for the right place. I wish to upgrade my phone soon, but not in that big of a hurry.
You wish me to defend myself? OK. Your XDA site is huge with a vast array of forum links. I was not aware I would need to look under HTC development'. I didn't know it had anything to do with Development.... Sorry (why am I apologizing to you?). To me software development is when someone programs an application that runs on a Win-mobile and/or Android device better known as an 'app'. Or what I do... I am a software developer for the asp.net environment. When searching for dual-booting as I said in the 1st thread I get tons of threads from years ago about Android 2.2. The same happens when searching from google. Is it really that easy to find as you say? Unless like you, you know exactly where to look. 'It is easy to find the answers, when you know right where to look', 'you understood the question'... but I did not know where even to look!

robertkjr3d said:
If you wish to keep noobs as noobs, and turn them away, then continue to use sarcasm. But if you wish to turn noobs into contributors, and receive more thanks, than you treat them with respect. --- I've been looking for weeks for the right place. I wish to upgrade my phone soon, but not in that big of a hurry.
You wish me to defend myself? OK. Your XDA site is huge with a vast array of forum links. I was not aware I would need to look under HTC development'. I didn't know it had anything to do with Development.... Sorry (why am I apologizing to you?). To me software development is when someone programs an application that runs on a Win-mobile and/or Android device better known as an 'app'. Or what I do... I am a software developer for the asp.net environment. When searching for dual-booting as I said in the 1st thread I get tons of threads from years ago about Android 2.2. The same happens when searching from google. Is it really that easy to find as you say? Unless like you, you know exactly where to look. 'It is easy to find the answers, when you know right where to look', 'you understood the question'... but I did not know where even to look!
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There was no sarcasm in my post at all, but now I'm going to be quite blunt. You're acting like an idiot. I understand why you may think software development is to do with apps but when there are two separate forums for NAND and SD then it should be obvious that it's not. I was 14 and I managed to figure out how to install SD Android without any help whatsoever, I refuse to believe that a software programmer couldn't figure it out. You wished to dual boot WinMo and Android on your SD card on an HTC HD2:
1. Find XDA
2. Find the HD2 forum
3. Oh look, it has a section called 'Android'. The answer's probably in there somewhere
4. I want to boot Android on my SD card. Conveniently, there's a forum dedicated to SD Android. I wonder if there are modern ROMs there
5. Whoa, threads with ICS and JB ROMs as well as guides on how to install them. I guess I've found my solution.
Yes, it's just as easy to find as I say if not easier. Steps 1, 2, 3 and 4 could have been solved with Google.
I couldn't care less about thanks, they're not a very good reflection of... well, anything really. I've seen people with 0 thanks post amazingly useful guides (in fact I think the guide I first followed to flash NAND Android was someone's first post) and people with thousands of thanks ask 'best ROM' questions. Whilst it would be great to turn more people into contributors it'll be impossible for you to become one if you don't put any effort in yourself.

Because this thread went off the rails I am going to close it, but here's the quick rundown:
if you want to dual-boot WM6.5 and Android, you can do so using the haret method mentioned. Yes it is fully featured (market etc.) and yes when you restart you boot back into WM6.5, but you can boot into Android really fast after that if you want.
You can also dual-boot WP7 with Android, put Android on NAND or other options.
Searching really is the key, I know the HD2 forums can be a bit daunting and some things are going to be a bit hard to find but generally speaking if it has anything to do with Android (like dual booting from WM6.5) you will find it stickied in the Android forum.
Check stuff out here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=743

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My apologies if this is a stupid suggestion.
It seems reading a lot of threads, especially about(at least my own tablet,yoga 2)that quite a few members have one way or another "broken" a normally working tablet, either by updates not taking correct or flashing the wrong files to their tablet.
Would it be an idea to place all the relevant files in one place, such as in what files will go to which model and how to identify which file to use eg-bios versions and how to tell which one a member is on (kitkat or lollipop),and what ROM to use.
I know ionioni answers a lot of questions and I have noticed quite a few repeats, would it take the strain off of him and other members if the answers were already there in one place.
Only a thought(I'll now go back to sleep)

corasman said:
My apologies if this is a stupid suggestion.
It seems reading a lot of threads, especially about(at least my own tablet,yoga 2)that quite a few members have one way or another "broken" a normally working tablet, either by updates not taking correct or flashing the wrong files to their tablet.
Would it be an idea to place all the relevant files in one place, such as in what files will go to which model and how to identify which file to use eg-bios versions and how to tell which one a member is on (kitkat or lollipop),and what ROM to use.
I know ionioni answers a lot of questions and I have noticed quite a few repeats, would it take the strain off of him and other members if the answers were already there in one place.
Only a thought(I'll now go back to sleep)
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such a place exists already (not to say about new threads opened right after a thread named 'this is how you solve your problem')
if i recall you are the guy that asked for help, then ignored the advice, sent the tab to lenovo, got it back unfixed weeks later, then asked again for help, received the same advice etc...
maybe you should start a new thread and make it the way you think is better... (a good title would be 'Lenovo - for those who don't read')
consider also that most of the 'i need help' owners are neither in the tech stuff (installing some driver is maybe the most that one can ask from) nor familiar with xda

Point taken ionioni.
When I first came here I admit I knew absolutely nothing,but I have done a lot of reading (I really mean a lot) and I am more confident about what to do and what not to do.
I thought maybe to help people like myself that start out knowing nothing, a single place of reference might help instead of asking repeated questions (like I myself did).
I did not post to offend anyone, just trying to help.

so make one, i was serious. theres also a how to root made by some androguy that is filled with good stuff