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Does anyone know where i could get the apk for the htc smart dialer and contacts applications found in the rogers build?
Android Market. 3 day free trial and then £2.99
Thanks, but that is not what i mean. What i am talking about are custom applications made by htc that only appear on their custom builds, not in the market. I wanted to see if there was a way of obtaining them similar to the way of obtaining htc's custom keyboard.
screen shot or a link would be helpful
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screen shot or a link would be helpful
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sorry, couldn'd find a big enough screen shot, but click this link:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/overview.html
click the "take quick tour button" and you will see exactly what i am talking about.
You could download a Roger's ROM from the dream forum and extract the .apks from there.
@thefoss
could you explain how that is done; just from the point where you extract the rogers rom.
Well I tried installing the HTC Contacts and Dialer APK from the hero build but no success says it will NOT install on This Phone. Even tried the Smart Dialer from the Market and does the same thing.
OH by the way I tried to install them on my Mytouch 3G with no success Someone help us out on this Plz
chuco469 said:
Well I tried installing the HTC Contacts and Dialer APK from the hero build but no success says it will NOT install on This Phone. Even tried the Smart Dialer from the Market and does the same thing.
OH by the way I tried to install them on my Mytouch 3G with no success Someone help us out on this Plz
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Your def not moving over htc dialer and contacts to mytouch with out root. Its not just not happening right now. And superdial from the market installs just fine
That app is SLOW :/
If you really want all HTC stuff simply install HTC image...
The problem is that you'll need to install lot of HTC stuff with that dialer...
The idea is cool but... slow :/
HERO applications will NOT work on NON-HERO ROM's.
The HTC Smart Dialer and Contacts is NOT A HERO APPLICATION
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@thefoss
could you explain how that is done; just from the point where you extract the rogers rom.
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Go here and download the Rogers-Wiped Nandroid image. When you unzip that package there will be a collection of .img files. Go here and download Unyaffs (I have only used it on Ubuntu and I have no idea how it will work on Windows) and put it in your android-sdk/tools directory (assuming this has been added to your PATH). Make a directory called system and cd into it. Use unyaffs to extract the system.img file that you downloaded
Code:
unyaffs system.img
In that system folder there should be a bunch of folders and a few files. Look in the app folder. You will see the .apk files there.
Hope this has helped a bit!
i guess the mytouch has to be rooted for this to work on it. they wont install via appmanager, but why does htc_ime.apk work and these wont. im guessing because they are system files. yeah im a noob
Make sure you have the install from "Unknown Sources" checked... Then try again. It is in the APP manager under settings.
ive rooted my mytouch, and the apk's wont install on cyanogen 32B 3.9.9.1
i would really like to know about this as well. my mytouch doesnt have a rooted rom on it but i do have superuser permissions. can i push it using adb? i wouldnt know what commands to use.
I wanted to bring back this thread because I have the same question as the above 2 posters.
Does anyone know why the apk installer wont install the contacts apk (my phone is rooted, and I pulled the apk from a rom that I've used on this phone)?
those HTC utilities are not open source, hence they are not included in any of the cyanogen mods. the HTC framework that is needed for them to work is simply not present.
your only option is to get a rom for the rogers/tim etc which does include them..
Extracted htc_contacts.apk
I've extracted the file htc_contacts.apk and I've opened with Archive manager under Ubuntu.
I've found many many XML files, some certs... I think the installer check the phone model and then says You cannot install the apk. But if the apk is the only source for installatione, we could find the controls in it.
Am I wrong?
hey,
I wanted to extract "Torch" application from "Azure" Rom and few other applications. as Torch is the only working app which did really enable the LED for HTC Legend.
I actually opened the ZIP package to path \azure-1.0.1.zip\system\app where the applications are stored, every app comes in APK and OBEX files. I extracted few APKS, non of them worked.
I am seeking some help for extracting the application from the ROM.
Thanks in advance!
lamppu is a good LED torch. You need root to use it, look in market
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lamppu is a good LED torch. You need root to use it, look in market
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I have looked in market, but it doesnt seem to exist there. However, do you know anyway to extract the application as working APK file?
Any other LED torches that works with LEGEND?
*EDIT: well, I found it, its named Lamppu. but anyway it didnt work, although my phone is rooted! why is that?
Try Extended Controls, there is a Torch Widget which worked on my HTC Legend. (NOTE:Root access Required For this very Widget)
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hey,
I wanted to extract "Torch" application from "Azure" Rom and few other applications. as Torch is the only working app which did really enable the LED for HTC Legend.
I actually opened the ZIP package to path \azure-1.0.1.zip\system\app where the applications are stored, every app comes in APK and OBEX files. I extracted few APKS, non of them worked.
I am seeking some help for extracting the application from the ROM.
Thanks in advance!
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If you find a ROM that has both .apx and .odex in the app-folder you will not get it to work by only extracting the .apk file.. You need both of the files in order to include them in another ROM..
Use a backup program like Titanium backup or MyBackup pro: they will extract for you.
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Try Extended Controls, there is a Torch Widget which worked on my HTC Legend. (NOTE:Root access Required For this very Widget)
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I already tried using Lamppu, but it didnt work on my rooted phone!
Have any idea what might be the reason?
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If you find a ROM that has both .apx and .odex in the app-folder you will not get it to work by only extracting the .apk file.. You need both of the files in order to include them in another ROM..
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That makes sense...but who would I merge the .apk and .obex together to be in one .apk file so I can install it?
Or maybe you know some way I can install these files?
Help would be really appreciated.
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Use a backup program like Titanium backup or MyBackup pro: they will extract for you.
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You mean like after loading the custom ROM, I backup the application I want then restore them after I load the custom I want?!
This is just long process of backing up your data then load custom rom, then back to the old rom, then root then restore...
I thought there might be easier and shorter ways?!
Any help would be appreciated. Gracias!
Anyone to help?????
try the kitchen method.
Scout around in the .zip to find the package you want, copy the .apk to your ADB directory and then, with the phone plugged in:
Code:
adb install [I]path-to-package[/I].apk
I actually opened the ZIP package to path \azure-1.0.1.zip\system\app where the applications are stored, every app comes in APK and OBEX files. I extracted few APKS, non of them worked.
I am seeking some help for extracting the application from the ROM.
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To be honest you've answered your own question. What you've done is the easiest way to pull an app from a ROM. So if your issue is something else it may be an idea to re-write your question (again, I know. Sorry).
I also apologise for mis-interpreting your question the first time 'round. I hope my help in this post is better.
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Scout around in the .zip to find the package you want, copy the .apk to your ADB directory and then, with the phone plugged in:
Code:
adb install [I]path-to-package[/I].apk
To be honest you've answered your own question. What you've done is the easiest way to pull an app from a ROM. So if your issue is something else it may be an idea to re-write your question (again, I know. Sorry).
I also apologise for mis-interpreting your question the first time 'round. I hope my help in this post is better.
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Your help so much appreciated mate!
Well, the last conclusion I got to is, the .apk and .obex files are actually one file but they were divided to 2 files just to make them work better, so if you take the .apk file only it wont work as it will be missing the other .obex file.
Anyway, I am also guessing there is a way to merge the 2 files back, I read a little about "de-odex" but I couldnt really get the best help I could get. I will post the solution once I get to it.
Thanks again for your help mate!
omar.elhelw said:
Your help so much appreciated mate!
Well, the last conclusion I got to is, the .apk and .obex files are actually one file but they were divided to 2 files just to make them work better, so if you take the .apk file only it wont work as it will be missing the other .obex file.
Anyway, I am also guessing there is a way to merge the 2 files back, I read a little about "de-odex" but I couldnt really get the best help I could get. I will post the solution once I get to it.
Thanks again for your help mate!
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You will have to use the kitchen do deodex the files.. Search the entire forum for "Chefs Central"
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You will have to use the kitchen do deodex the files.. Search the entire forum for "Chefs Central"
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I tried the "de-odexing" method of the Android Kitchen, but it didnt seem to be working fine. Error message of "There is a problem prasing the package." ???
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I tried the "de-odexing" method of the Android Kitchen, but it didnt seem to be working fine. Error message of "There is a problem prasing the package." ???
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I know it's a pain, but de-odexing the whole rom might help. Unless you already did this, in which case something is wrong with your download I imagine.
Swyped from my HTC Legend
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I know it's a pain, but de-odexing the whole rom might help. Unless you already did this, in which case something is wrong with your download I imagine.
Swyped from my HTC Legend
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I havent tried deodexing the whole rom actually. I will certainly do this and try.
I have another question to you though, from where can i get Swype? lol
I know it's a pain, but de-odexing the whole rom might help. Unless you already did this, in which case something is wrong with your download I imagine.
Swyped from my HTC Legend
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I havent tried deodexing the whole rom actually. I will certainly do this and try.
I have another question to you though, from where can i get Swype? lol
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Search, I might post the link when I'm home. Swype HVGA
Swyped from my HTC Legend
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Search, I might post the link when I'm home. Swype HVGA
Swyped from my HTC Legend
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Thanks!
heres the DL link
http://goo.gl/xKSk
Hi,
I live in China and got an already rooted legend from a super friendly little shop in the neighbourhood here, but it came with a horrendous goapk.com rom which severely locked down my ability to install anything from the market - instead, it tried to force me into this relatively useless Chinese goMarket thing. So, waiting patiently, I finally installed the MoDaCo custom ROM last week and everything is running sweetly.
Only now I find I actually miss a couple of the customisations the Chinese ROM had on it. In particular, the htc_cime was very useful to me because it supported handwriting input - the Google Pinyin IME is less useful to Chinese noobs like me who can't read the sound of the characters and need to input the handwriting.
I have had a http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7276627 rummage around these threads and found lots of htc_cime packages, none of which work on Legend under Froyo. Does anybody have a solution? The apk's that do install die immediately when I try to input text, and I don't know what to do with the zip files available on that site - I can extract them, but then it says "Application not installed" without any further help.
Cheers and thanks! Maybe the IME will turn up when 2.2 finally comes out for stock Legends, which will surely happen any minute now
So, a few hundred reads and no replies. Seems like a difficult issue, and obviously not many people are interested in using Chinese handwriting. Should I post this on the development thread? Can anyone at least give some advice on how to install these .zip distribution packages? I know how to install a .apk using the file manager, is some other app necessary to install the .zips?
strophy said:
So, a few hundred reads and no replies. Seems like a difficult issue, and obviously not many people are interested in using Chinese handwriting. Should I post this on the development thread? Can anyone at least give some advice on how to install these .zip distribution packages? I know how to install a .apk using the file manager, is some other app necessary to install the .zips?
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I just downloaded the .zip file from your link and it had the .apk file inside it and another zip (?).
A zip file is a zip file, they are not android specific, have been around at least 20 years now, it is a compressed file, windows or whatever os you use should be able to open it no problems and then just extract/copy the apk inside to your phones sd card and install it, you also need to open the other zip file INSIDE the zip file (yay recursion) and extract/copy the folder to your sd card as well.
I didn't install it myself as I am still on éclair.
It may be that ZIP files are not Android specific, but to install one you should flash it with ROM Manager or from Clockworkmod Recovery. I don't know if extracting the zip and installing the .apk is working like that. The reason for doing this is mainly because some files cannot be written or replaced when phone is in normal use. From that link I saw it is a signed package (by the name) and it should be installed via ROM Manager or recovery
Hi again,
I tried unzipping the .apk file and installing it, but also no luck. I am fairly sure the .apk installer references the "zi" folder ("zi" means character in Chinese), as that folder seems to contain a lot of files describing the metrics and probably recognition of each character as you write it. Still no luck though.
Using the ROM manager to install packages seems a bit like overkill though - if the Google IME can be installed as an apk without rebooting, surely any IME can be installed like that?
I might ask htc about this when the official 2.2 FOTA comes out, if I claim I had it before and it wasn't in the update they might just send me an .apk that will sort this out once and for all. No big hopes on that one though.
Cheers,
Leon
Hi Guys!
Now that finally the devs arrived with some amazing ROMs, I change these ROMs a lot every day. But I experienced some problems because I often do that at work where I don't have adb shell available. So I created an xRecovery zip-file to install Android Terminal Emulator before booting into the ROM the first time.
That gave me the idea to offer you some zip-files with useful (free) applications you perhaps want to have pre-installed on any ROM before booting it.
I also attached two blank zip-files where you can easily add your own apps, perhaps a preferred keyboard in your language or whatever you want to push onto your phone via xRecovery.
If somebody's interested we could turn this into some kind of collection for universally usable xRecovery files.
How to use the blank zip-files:
To use this method, you need to have the app available as an apk-file, of course.
If you have the app already installed on the ROM you're looking to replace, you can just use a root file manager like Root Explorer to copy and paste the apk file from \data\app\ to your SD card.
If you cannot get the apk file, you can request it here or send me a PM and I'll try to prepare the zip-file for you. Don't ask me to do this with paid apps! This whole method is meant to be used with free apps and I will not add or support warez in any form!
Okay, now let's start. As you can see, I attached two blank zip-files: blank_data-app.zip and blank_system-app.zip. Why two of them?
There are basically two locations where you'll want to install your own apk's:
\data\app\ --> contains all non-system-relevant user apps and should be your choice in most cases. If you install here, you can easily uninstall the apps later if you don't need them anymore.
\system\app\ --> contains system-relevant and pre-installed apps such as vending.apk / phonebook.apk / Email.apk / Gmail.apk / Calender.apk / etc.
Only install here if you want to replace one of these apps with a themed one or if you want to force-update market for example! It's not possible to uninstall anything you installed here the usual way! You'll have to use Titanium Backup or another third-party app.
Only overwrite existing apps in this folder if you know what you're doing!
So, just choose where you want to install your app, open (NOT extract!) the corresponding file with a zip-file manager of your choice (I'd recommend 7Zip or WinRAR) and drag the apk-file you want to install into data\app\ (for blank_data-app.zip) or system\app\ (for blank_system-app.zip. pretty obvious, huh? ). Confirm to copy the file there and close the zip file.
That's it. Now you just have to give your zip-file an appropriate name and push it onto your SD card to install it via xRecovery-->install custom zip-->choose custom zip from sdcard.
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Some comments on the zip-files attached:
- Android_Terminal_Emulator.zip:
This is useful if you installed a new ROM and experience problems like flashing homescreen or no GSM/data connection. In that case, open ATE and type the following:
su (confirm SuperUser rights)
busybox killall servicemanager
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This will restart the phone and hopefully solve your problems. (I know this mini guide seems not to fit here, but perhaps someone reads it before spamming the dev thread with questions that were answered a thousand times )
- JIT_Enabler_v2-zdz.zip:
all KUDOS go to zdzihu. Make sure you visit his thread to always get the latest version of JIT Enabler.
Note that you only need this file on 2.1 ROMs where JIT Enabler isn't pre-enabled! On 2.2+ ROMs JIT is always included.
- New Market V2.2.11.zip:
Make sure to sign into your google account and open market once (accept licence agreement) before you update to the new market. Many people experience problems if they don't do this!
- TitaniumBackup-3.6.7.1.zip:
You can also create this file yourself. If you open TB and tap on Settings-->more... there's an option to create an update.zip
- XDA_app.zip:
Useful for any kind of problems of course
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So, not much of a collection at the moment, but perhaps there's interest for something like that. If you know something that will come handy to have it preinstalled, just tell me!
Cheers
qwer23
very nice idea, but i was wondering if there is a guide to how to make .zip files for xrecovery
"instead of giving me a fish to eat for a day, teach me how to fish!"
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mezo9090 said:
very nice idea, but i was wondering if there is a guide to how to make .zip files for xrecovery
"instead of giving me a fish to eat for a day, teach me how to fish!"
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i like that point of view! well i only found one for creating a whole update. zip for a rom with android kitchen I can explain some of the basics inside this zip file this evening after work. a zip just for installing apps is created quite easily. it gets more complicated if you have to set permissions and things like that.
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good idea!
thanks
Great! thanks a lot for this useful guide, I will use it.
Just one question in the same line like mezo, If I already have a rom zip file and I want to add to this rom the apps, would it be possible? and Could you explain us? or its just copy the files inside the \data\app\ folder?
Thanks again for your help.
Great idea, thanks!
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770G said:
Great! thanks a lot for this useful guide, I will use it.
Just one question in the same line like mezo, If I already have a rom zip file and I want to add to this rom the apps, would it be possible? and Could you explain us? or its just copy the files inside the \data\app\ folder?
Thanks again for your help.
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As long as the apps aren't system-relevan, it's as easy as that, yes
For all of you willing to learn more: I'm quite a noob, too, but I'll try to make a tutorial on how to create recovery zip-files as soon as I can.
Won't be today though, because I'll go out to party into my birthday this evening
So long,
qwer23
mezo9090 said:
very nice idea, but i was wondering if there is a guide to how to make .zip files for xrecovery
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You can use the Android Kitchen to create custom zip files, I use the Cygwin method as it makes file management a little easier imo.
Great idea man, a lot of thanks!
1 zip - several apps
Is it possible to create one zip to install several apk's?
Maybe I have a few "stock" apps, the ones that I always need, and want to install all in a single step.
Can this be done or I have to install one by one even using xRecovery?
Thanks!
Great tuto and thank you for sharing
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Is it possible to create one zip to install several apk's?
Maybe I have a few "stock" apps, the ones that I always need, and want to install all in a single step.
Can this be done or I have to install one by one even using xRecovery?
Thanks!
Great tuto and thank you for sharing
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you can throw as many apps as you want into the zip file. everything inside the data\app folder will be installed
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Hello all. Ihave a problem with xRecovery 0.2 (the last release) when I reboot my phone holding the back button a few moments after the SE Logo appears, it doesn't work. I've installed it with the xRecovery installer and with the FlashTool with BusyBox 1.17 installed. I'm on a X10 2.1 Generic . Thaks
Gugoo said:
Hello all. Ihave a problem with xRecovery 0.2 (the last release) when I reboot my phone holding the back button a few moments after the SE Logo appears, it doesn't work. I've installed it with the xRecovery installer and with the FlashTool with BusyBox 1.17 installed. I'm on a X10 2.1 Generic . Thaks
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Firstly, the xRecovery depends upon its version of busybox. In the version I use it is 1. 15. 3
So re-install xRecovery(just in case).
Secondly, u don't hv to keep the back key pressed but tap it a few times repeatedly during the screen with "Sony Ericsson" logo.
Hope this helps.
Regards
kLouD™
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thanks for the info!
kloud_ said:
Secondly, u don't hv to keep the back key pressed but tap it a few times repeatedly during the screen with "Sony Ericsson" logo.
Hope this helps.
Regards
kLouD™
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Thx but that doesn't working =(
it works ! thx
bro i need your help... im using froyo custom rom on my x10.. now i need to install backup & restore apps but it said apps cannot installed. so how to install it using xrecovery... i have the apk as well.. but i think the apk is for Eclair.
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bro i need your help... im using froyo custom rom on my x10.. now i need to install backup & restore apps but it said apps cannot installed. so how to install it using xrecovery... i have the apk as well.. but i think the apk is for Eclair.
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sorry, backup and restore only works with stock se rom and mods based on it (like kx10 or blue sparks,...). it's impossible to install on any 2.2/2. 3 or 2.1 AOSP rom.
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in deed ..you only have to press twice.. (press one..wait one sec then press again and release...and wait for the terminal to popup) voilà!
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hey im having a problem.
I know that you will say "this belong to another thread" but since this way i can trick the thing and install again the system apps like the Package administrator etc, i need to know what to do in mi case with this method:
mi BETA3 was working smooth!
iv been using the BETA3 a long time but some days ago, suddently i couldn't install apps anymore (thouse that are in mi SD or frome the market...not even Applanet...nothing)
The screen shows the "barber shop black and white" bar rolling and rolling and never stop.
Mi USB detection is not working, that means that mi PC is recognazing the phone (it sound like a UYSB is been conected) but never apear the folder of the SD. nto even options of debugging usb etc in the notification bar of the device.
and when i get in Settings> runing aplications, all aplication are in "calculating..." mode. so they say 00 mb. and never stop triying to get the numbers. its so odd.
the other aplication (that came installed with the BETA) works fine.
I have tryed, erasing the firmwares and isntalling them from the beginning and everything worked fine with old firms like 2.0 and 2.1 update1. too!
then i do the root (first z4root, then busybox, then xRecovery) and make xrecovery work. install the beta 3, and again i can't do anything.
i triyed installing the BETA4 but never stop rebooting so i just yield and stick with BETA3.
any idea..plzzz!!! i really don't whon't to use Eclair...it's just so ugly!!
it's not working on mi xRecovery. i put the apps insinde app folder of thwe .zip and put it in a random folder of mi SD, then do >the Recovery > install custom.zip>Choose from SD card>confirm install the selected "blank_data-app.zip".
and it say:
Finding update package.....
opening update package.....
E i asume E means Error!) can't open blablabla/blblabla folder/blank_data-app.zip (bad)
installation Abnorted.
i asume iv done something wrong...!?!?
PS: BTW can somebody sen me the original .apk of FROYO bwecasue i can't find them , to use the system-apps.zip
thanxxx!!!
After installing new rom(s) we should install a file manager. Is there any way to install one by default, in order to reach the apk files at sdcard. (Any other solution is also appreciated.)
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Srsly, delete it yourself before mods do and more member rage because you're simply not abled to use any of the 239087 fileexplorers from the market/preinstalled ones in almost every rom.
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Srsly, delete it yourself before mods do and more member rage because you're simply not abled to use any of the 239087 fileexplorers from the market/preinstalled ones in almost every rom.
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What are you talking about? all file explorers work fine for me.
hilmiabi said:
After installing new rom(s) we should install a file manager. Is there any way to install one by default, in order to reach the apk files at sdcard. (Any other solution is also appreciated.)
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A file explorer comes installed with every single ROM... its called "File Manager"....
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What are you talking about? all file explorers work fine for me.
A file explorer comes installed with every single ROM... its called "File Manager"....
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Thanks for repeating what I already wrote, seems like you haven't understood anything, just read it again (;
hilmiabi said:
After installing new rom(s) we should install a file manager. Is there any way to install one by default, in order to reach the apk files at sdcard. (Any other solution is also appreciated.)
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i request you to shoot yourself to the moon...
hilmiabi said:
After installing new rom(s) we should install a file manager. Is there any way to install one by default, in order to reach the apk files at sdcard. (Any other solution is also appreciated.)
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google for file manager apk and download it from the web
Thank you all for your nice (!) answers. I am aware of downloading an app from the market or can google for it too. What I have asked was to preinstall one in order not to loose time everytime for searching android market. If there is one preinstalled, why can I not see it? Where is the so called "file manager" hidden? If you answer it I will delete my thread and shoot myself to Pluton
Okay guys be nice... This is the kind of thing I hate when I log in first thing in the morning... A new guy getting his ass ripped apart for asking a question just because you don't like the question or because it's posted in the wrong forum... It's not necessary and it only depreciates the quality of the site...
Not ALL ROMs come with a file manager so it is a legitimate request. Albeit I wouldn't have opened a new thread in Development just to ask for it.
Adao File Manager is a good free file manager that can/should be included in EVERY ROM. I concur that chefs probably should include this since it's very small size-wise and is extremely functional.
That being said, it is entirely the chef's choice.
Now... This thread is located in the wrong section so I'm going to close it but I'm not going to delete it.