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http://www.digitgeek.com/nokia-n97-compared-with-iphone-xperia-x1-g1/
"Final Thoughts:
It is turning out to be a great battle between Nokia N97, Apple iPhone and the T-Mobile G1 but with Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 nowhere in picture due to its ridiculous pricing and other cons."
IMHO this is all rubbish. "iPhone Killer" "Revolutionary" "Intuitive". Anyone remember all the hype for the X1 last march? ringing any bells?
That article complains about the X1 - "The Xperia X1 interface was slow which was its biggest drawback along with its lack of intuitiveness". so I assume they're comparing stock phones, praising Nokia and their now defunct symbian OS without even touching on the thousands of today plugins available for WinMo which totally revamp and customise your phone in any way imaginable. Christ, u can even imitate an iPhone near perfectly, anyone wanna try and do that on symbian?
oh yeh, N97 has 360 x 640 pixels resolution. hmmm great. why have all that screen space when your gonna see the individual pixels?
I'l give it some dues, it does look good and the multi touch is gonna be sweet. but as far as I can tell this phone is perfect for all those toyboys that cant get they're head around what an incredible machine the X1 is, dont know how to customise it to maximise practicality and aesthetics (or cant be bothered), or just want an easy way to look cool. Unfortunatly all of these things add up to one thing, - Nokia selling millions of units.
Lets face it, this will be released in July at the earliest at which time the X2/X5 will be the next 'iPhone Killer'.
Sorry for the rant, just now a little fed up by the amount of 'iPhone Killers' that we're gonna see come and go before people realise that if you want something as good as an iPhone GET an iPhone! if you dont want to go apple then get this N97. if you like fiddling and want the most customisable OS currently on the market go WinMo. Just my 2p, I wanted to rant this for ages and only just had a chance
vygi said:
Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 nowhere in picture due to its ridiculous pricing and other cons
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The X1 was cheaper than the N96 for me on Vodafone. Really doubt the N97 is going to be a less.
What a biased review. You talk about the X1 at a few hidden places and then at the end conclude that it is a bad phone....What about the other great features of the X1. Damn I hated the X1 when I bought it but ever since I have started loving it more and more everyday.
What a crap review though...
Reads very pro Nokia and contra Sony Ericsson.
But the author makes one good point: Out of the box the N97 will be the best of these phones. But the endless possibilities of customizing WM will put the three other devices far behind the X1 and of course other WM phones.
The other thing: the N97 looks kind of retro. Not my style at least. And we will have to see if Nokia can solve their quality issues. Have seen Nokia N96s with dust in the display after 5 days of use ... and this new sliding mechanism as a new possible source of error too. So lets wait, and see how Nokia can stir the phone market.
At least some of the Apple-iPhone-Fanboys will drift to Nokia and S60.
Where the heck is multitouch on N97 like they wrote? I gues not even single touch would not work well. Let's admit that Nokia are kiddies regarding touch screen.
And watching the videos, the interface is sluggish and very very slow, and lacking animation )
What N97 would look if it would have window animation? They are years behind, and they should leave defunct Symbian to WinMo or Linux.
And, from those videos, it seems quite big . And even it's not a good lookin', due to materials that seems cheap, like Nokia Tube.
He he, pro Nokia article.
I wouldn't buy such a brick! At least as there's WinMo devices....
memtronic said:
and lacking animation )
What N97 would look if it would have window animation?
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Thats a big plus for me. I hate the page transitions on the iphone. Its just too much. I'm glad Nokia didn't start to design S60 Touch this way and hope they wont in the future. Of course the same applies for WM.
Yes, the interface doenst look that good, but lets be honest - when did Nokia ever build good looking interfaces? The biggest advantage of Symbian 60 still is the out of the box functionality paired with possible system extension. WM lacks the OOTB experience like S60, but is far better when it comes to customization. The iPhone doens't even play in the same league if you ask me. Display resolution too low, OS too limited, standby too low etc.
my first post
I'm one of those people who don't reply or post...but I just really couldn't stand this......all of you guys are right...it is a biased review..
I LOVE MY X1
For me, the appearance of N97 is just like an copycat of HTC Tytn II.
Tilt Clone.......
jackleung said:
For me, the appearance of N97 is just like an copycat of HTC Tytn II.
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Seconded. Somehow Nokia phones have always been associated with cheap cheap phones. In India every second and third person has a beater Nokia phone. I know that the N-series is of a higher class, but I think I will stick with my HTC WM phone
vygi said:
"Final Thoughts:
It is turning out to be a great battle between Nokia N97, Apple iPhone and the T-Mobile G1 but with Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 nowhere in picture due to its ridiculous pricing and other cons."
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looooooool this is crap
xperia is better of all this devices
I actually think, that the N97 looks pretty interesting.. It offers some innovation to Symbian, which is needed..
I don't think the phone is better than the X1, but they appeal to two different kinds of people..
If nokia made it an E-series model, with metal and high-end material, it would have been more interesting..
I think I'll stick with my X1 and E90 (both wonderful devices)
I'm still using my TyTN II because I haven't seen anything that looks even slightly what I want - that is until now. The Nokia N97's hardware looks interesting. I like the size of the device. If HTC made a TyTN II with a larger screen, WMo, etc, I'd be the first in line.
I have absolutely no desire for the HTC Touch Pro with it's pitiful 2.8 inch screen. It really gives me no advantages over my TyTN II. I want a larger screen, excellent keyboard, and a the standard 3.5mm headphone jack.
I've been waiting for an Xperia but I cannot even find a Black X1a in the states. The $800 price tag is ridiculous and so are the panels. I want a fast, elegant, big screened, flat device that runs Wmo and maybe Android. I like the N97 screen size better than the X1s. It's a little wider.
Also while I'm *****ing, I might as well add that I think even Touch Flo is a waste of hardware. My fingers are so big I cannot even use it on a 2.8" screen. It works OK on my Blue Angels 3.5" screen.
HTC Wake up and build us an US Device for $500 unlocked with a 3.8 screen, querty keyboard, and the following 3G frequencies 850, 1700, 1900, 2100. If you don't there will be MID (Mobile Internet Devices) out shortly which will offer everything you do for a cheaper price.
May the Nokia be a good device, it doesn't matter, but I can't stand the point with the pricing.
The N96 is more expensive than the Xperia now and I doubt, that the N97 will be that much cheaper when it hits the stores
I consider Nokia as the highest priced brand in phones (I won't tell about Apple because Apple isn't a phone but a toy for me. I would never buy anything from Apple because there are dozens of devices that are better, prettier and cheaper). Additional, I had a N95 before -my first Nokia- and I definitely won't buy another phone from them. I was very disappointed with this thing
I had an iPhone, a N95-3 after that, and now an X1. IMHO, the touch experience on the iPhone wins hands down. The simplicity of the UI and the App Store were really great. As a touch screen phone, I couldn't help myself comparing the touch experience on X1 with the iPhone. Don't forget the iPhone came with a very usable web browser out of the box.
To me the X1 (or WinMo in general) is more of a phone for professionals. In regards to apps, you have to look for apps you want all over the places, whereas you are presented with newest apps everyday with the iphone app store all in one place. It's useful, convenient, and fun.
Each has its own strengths and weaknesses. Calling the X1 is out of the picture completely is a bit rubbish. They fail to compare the UNLOCKED price of the iPhone 3G (which is around 700-800) with the X1 pricing.
i am planning to upgrade my X1 to X10...so i am on android platform
but also considering other android phones such as Milestone.
wanted to know how satisfied are u with X10 on a scale 1-10?
did u regret it at all? (unbiased answers pls)
Hows the performance compared to other phones in similar hardware class?
I have had a long list of handsets every single version of blackberry, iphone and this is my first android for about a week now and I'm really happy with it. It's a project phone to me, always finding new things with it and the apps and personalizing it are endless.
Quality of apps are not as great as the iphone but it's still a VERY new platform and getting better by the day.
Hardware wise I'm very impressed, very speedy, impressive camera quality and I'm pretty picky, 9/10 for form factor, could be rounded or something. Robust little device and I hope it's not outdated for at least 8 months.
looks 9/10
quality 8.9/10 - screen scratches easily, voice quality is great
hardware 9.9/10
overall I'd say 9.2/10 compare to an iphone of 8.9/10
i do like the phone a lot. with better software or onceroot is availible it will be worlds better.
camera is great wish it had a flash though. screen is great and big for typing.
not overly happy with battery life but after reading a few suggestions it is better.
once a firmware upgrade is out and an upgrade to a more recent version of android my mind might change more in favor of this device. right now it gets an 8 out of 10
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I have just upgraded from X1 to X10 and I'm very impressed with the device.
Major drawback is low volume during calls.
Pluses definitely outweigh the minuses and the snapdragon 1 GHZ is lightning quick.
My opinion is go for it, you won't be disappointed.
Don't forget we are on first gen firmware which can only improve.
Nocturnal310 said:
i am planning to upgrade my X1 to X10...so i am on android platform
but also considering other android phones such as Milestone.
wanted to know how satisfied are u with X10 on a scale 1-10?
did u regret it at all? (unbiased answers pls)
Hows the performance compared to other phones in similar hardware class?
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Ha~~ You are ask in right place,
I'm also upgrade from X1 to X10
Android is better than WM = =", Even my X1 use custom rom and faster than stock rom a 300%, but WM still lag, still ....ooxx
And My colleague have MileStone, Nexus One, Hero
But all colleagues want to get X10 when they see my X10 and play it a lot
Milestone is best for Rooted use, but slower than X10
Nexus One also have the latest firmware, rooted etc..benefit but is this really important???
Hero... actually not the same grade
I want to said X1 to X10 you can feel much better improve, actually when you jump from WM to Android you can feel it
Milestone VS X10
Outlook: I guess X10 is better but MS not bad, but MS heavy
Phone Feature: MS win, better speaker, clear and loud, also the IM volume is clear and MS have CrystalVoice, X10 speaker low, and the most important is the IM volume is very low.... MW600 is your friend = ="
Stylus: X10 win, the custom of the X10 and UI, Userfriendly is X10, But MS also can improve by Apps
Performance: slower than X10
Nexus One VS X10
Outlook: I think 99% people said X10 win
Phone Feature: I think is draw, Nexus one have Noise Cancel, but in the real world this feature seem not really good as Milestone, and the volume same as X10 still low
Performance: Faster than X10
Conclusion:
My choice is X10, even I played the Milestone and Nexus one and hero also
X10 is a very union product, you can feel this is the Sony phone, not like the MS or Nexus one, just only a Android
When you use X10, you will see many place has been modified and make the stylus in one "Sony Stylus"
Even the outlook and the UI you can see this is the phone which not like just only buy some band, and then the outlook is like a soap and UI alway HTC = ="
The Better Video Play back and the best camera on Android "like DC"
If you want to play the PHONE, you use MS or Nexus One
If you want to show up, use the PHONE, then X10
HA... when I goto street and show off the X10, many people watch my Phone, wow... what is this phone?? the outlook is very good, big screen and slim
Stylus: Still same as MS, it can root and improve the UI from apps
I too upgraded from X1 to X10, the X10 does feel 10 times better than the X1 (hence the name..?)
The reason why I picked X10 is almost the same reason why I picked X1 last year; the looks and the hardware. X1 was quite a powerhouse when snapdragon wasn't available in the market. However as you and I'd agree, X1 isn't a dream machine as we thought. The lagginess and lack of supports from SE quickly turns me off.
Picking the xperia series phone again wasn't an easy decision for me, it feels like I'm going back into the SE trap again. But I reconsider because of the improvement offered in the X10, 1Ghz, big screen, android, and still has the sexy appeal. I have been watching the phone closely for a year ever since there were leaked information on the internet, and reviews after the phone was finally out and eventually, hold my breath and clicked 'Buy Now' on eBay.
X10 is just like the X1, it isnt as impressive as the spec look like. But the difference is its more impressive than the X1, just not as exciting as you might expect. X10 will still give you the 'lag' experience especially at the animations department. To a some people the laginess is unacceptable due to the fact there is a 1Ghz cpu in the house. To me who came from X1 is acceptable because I've seen the worse.
Also believe me or not android isnt as mature as the windows mobile. There are quite a few basic functions the android lacks like task manager etc, and the dialler feels weird (press power button to reject call...?).
So if you still havent made up your mind yet, this is the factors I think you should consider
-are u a physical keyboard person? (I am, but I do not mind virtual keyboard either, I'm currently typing really slow on the phone, and without physical keyboard, u cant do 'blind typing'. I used to type my messages walking on the street without looking at the screen)
-are u a 100% sucker of graphics and animation? sure timescape looks impressive, but not an essential. And u need good looking profile pics of ur friends frm ur Facebook or twitter account to make timescape looks good. Most of my Facebook splines are showing only my friend's nose and lips due to their profile pics, makes my whole timescape look like a joke.
-can you live with android 1.6 until Q4 2010? X10 is my 1st android phone and I have not had the privilege to played with 2.1. So I'm not spoiled from the comfort of 2.1.
-can you live with single touch screen?
-do you expect the phone to perform as fluid as iPhone? IMO I have not seen other phone which can perform better than the iPhone at the animation department (HTC's Sense is pretty close). I personally do not want an iphones cause I've got an ipod touch, apple's control freak, and too many people has it.
And finally my rating! 9/10
Sorry for the long post but I hope I helped, because I have gone through the same decision making ;D
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Nocturnal310 said:
i am planning to upgrade my X1 to X10...so i am on android platform
but also considering other android phones such as Milestone.
wanted to know how satisfied are u with X10 on a scale 1-10?
did u regret it at all? (unbiased answers pls)
Hows the performance compared to other phones in similar hardware class?
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Obviously depends on what features you really care about regarding your mobile phone, but OVERALL I think HTC's Desire is hands down the best phone on the market right now. I firmly believe the X10 could be, but in all honesty it could be until November until its potential is fully realized--pending promised firmware and OS updates.
So if you want the best phone,
Right now--HTC Desire
This year--Evo 4G, Samsung Galaxy S, maybe X10!
Satisfaction -- 7/10 X10 Overall -- 8.5/10
Some regret yes -- high cost, questionable updates from SE, poor battery life
X10's performance is not up to N1 or Desire, but other features and potential is why I bought it.
raundown said:
I too upgraded from X1 to X10, the X10 does feel 10 times better than the X1 (hence the name..?)
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Lol yeah, its 10 times better than mine which I stopped using after a few months, went back to my P1. I gave my X1 to my nephew in Srilanka and he loves it.
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(press power button to reject call...?). ;D
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Ah thats why some callers are gone when I try to get my phone from back jean pocket
Veeeeeery happy thank you !! From what I was using (P1) 10/10 (what doesnt have a couple of niggles anyway ??)
Very, 9.5/10
Pretty damn satisfied, 8.5/10 (but I'm very difficult to satisfy)
Pros: too many to list, it really is an awesome device.
Cons: while I understand SE's philosophy behind the slow software releases, it doesn't make up for how SLOW they are at releasing them: 6+ months for an update to be customised & tested by them is unacceptable for a top-end device. In all honesty I've found no major issues to WANT the software update, but there are enough to make it a desirable thing to happen.
But, overall, it's a damn nice looking device and it works very well.
I'll give it 8.5 from 10.
Battery life is fine after a week or so when you stop pushing the phone limits
I mean, is a smartphone with 1Gig CPU and 4" display... you can't expect the battery to last 4 days like a dumb phone
If you use the smartphone, 12h battery is super.
If you turn everything off and use the phone (but i don't see the point) you can get 2days or more.
Design + UI, 10/10...
I don't care much about mediascape but timescape does the job.
Call volume ... i have no idea i use MW600 100% and is loud enough.
1.6 vs. 2.1 ?
2.1 will be nice but 1.6 will do it.
I was waiting for Galaxy S until after reading hundred of posts about Samsung "upgrades" i gave up.
Yes, will have a better display and divx/xvid support but Samsung has a bad habit to put new phones on market instead of supporting their old models so, pretty much you are stuck with what you buy.
I came from X1
Don´t buy a X10. Take a HTC instead. I give 2/10. I hate my X10. Poor hardware. Bad integrated hardware buttons ( bad to handle ), sad USB ( on the left????) No MT, bad Battery, POOR earspeaker quality and not loud enough, NO Sence.
What i hate most:
The Dialer
The Phonebook
The Call Log
The "Back" Hardware Button. Bad to reach. Need always to keep atention the X10 is not falling out of my hand. Why 3 or 4 hardware buttons? what did Google think when they did Android???? I hate also the iphone BUT there you have everywhere a "back" tab.
Instead of building TS and MS, SE should make a better usable interface like HTC ( Dialer..../ Sense) and EVERYWHERE a "Back/Cancel" tab.
AND i cant stand with the "select text" method in Android. That is bull****. Why not make it like it is on every computer ( and WM): wipe with your finger and the long press on the selected text and choose between cut, copy.....
i am thinking to change my X10 to a HD2 BUT THIS has no trackball
the perfect phone has a Trackball/ DPAD and maybe(!) two (good to handle) hardware buttons: Dial and Dial end/cancel
but there is no such phone on the market....
of course thats just my opinion ( but there are only 2: my opinion and the wrong opinion )
the last 4 weeks i made a list what i love on my X10 and what i hate: 2 things i love, 43 i hate. The list is a 17(!!!!) pages long word document and every page is FULL. The list took me about 50-70 hours, NO CHOKE!!!! I would post it here but its in german and to translate it would cost me again lots of hours.....
Best phone I have ever owned and I have owned the following phones in the last year:
iphone 3G
HTC Magic
HTC Hero
Nokia N900
People talk about lag but I have seen none. Best battery life of the bunch, too.
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Best phone I have ever owned and I have owned the following phones in the last year:
iphone 3G
HTC Magic
HTC Hero
Nokia N900
People talk about lag but I have seen none. Best battery life of the bunch, too.
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iphone 3G - i understand THAT!!!
HTC Magic - ? i think its much better than the X10
HTC Hero - ? i think its much better than the X10
Nokia N900 - i dont know this phone
I'm happy with it I went form the X1 to the X10 and have been a Windows Mobile fan for years. It's taking some getting used to but i'm getting there.
Battery life was a pain until I disabled Timescape and several other services.
well i would say i was very frustrating, waited for so long since the phone advertise, here in DUBAI we don't have marketplace inside the package but you can see the box there is marketplace icon weird!!!!!!!!!!!... the only thing that you can enjoy your android is to get some useful apps in the marketplace.... yet there is a word "debranding"and some of frnds manage to debrand there androids in UK version and they have this apps could MARKETPLACE..... but i want my phone to be a virgin as new with out debranding it!!!
rate 5 out of 10....
i only miss multitouch as i upgraded from hd2 which has very good multitouch ,i now returned to hd2 as my primary phone ,as i also hate android 1.6 i give it (4 out of 10) and hd2 (8 out of 10 )
My previous phone was iphone 3G, but with android phone I´m very satisfied!
Look 9/10
Functions 8/10 (missing camera flash, and divx support and a little MT)
Overall 8,5/10
Cons: low call volume (but I have MW600 and with it its great), for that price X10 can have stereo speakers, speed of releasing future updates (hope that SE will release updates faster... 2.1 in Q4 2010 wtf ??!)
after X1...i feel little apprehensive to buy another sony ericsson phone..the way they ditched their customers..i kinda feel betrayed..the phone feels like crap now...outdated OS...laggy interface, finger- unfriendly.
X panels was a joke
- how useful is timescape/mediascape?
now saw the forum..and X10 also has sufficient amount of bugs compared to other Android phones...infact much more than any other high end android phone
it is a cool phone..looks classy..good to show off.
-but does it perform decently as a phone?...will i have problems making phone calls & texting?
-and will rooting come on X10? ...coz i want a phone i can customize later..and not a phone which becomes dinosaur like X1
Nocturnal310 said:
X10 also has sufficient amount of bugs compared to other Android phones...infact much more than any other high end android phone
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I believe you answered your own question
I'll be honest,
I was fortunate enough to have an HTC Desire for 2 weeks before I got the X10...
I sold the desire because I was under the impression that the only things I didn't like about the X10 were to do with Android 2.1 which would be sorted in the update.
After playing with the X10 I'm starting to miss the Desire - the camera seemed to be better with crisper images (surprising?! YEP!!) but again, I'm hoping this will all change with updates, so I'm kind of relying on SE to sort all this out with updates.
I do like the X10, don't get me wrong, BUT I think I will like it even more assuming that I'm right that the updates will sort out the issues.
You are right to be apprehensive. I jumped on this a soon as it was released in the UK. Even though their was a lot of controversy about the specs I bought this.
I also knew the Desire was about to be released to at around the same time.
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- how useful is timescape/mediascape?
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MediaScape is very pretty indeed but i still find myself using the stock music app from time to time for the best functionality.
With Mediascape I have noticed that it does take a few button presses to get to where you want to go. This is down to both the menu structure and the fact on my current firmware the app doesn't always respond to my key presses. I have also found that the pics that i have tagged regularly revert back to their untagged state. The ability to create playlists using Mscape on the device is also lacking.
I tried setting Timescape as my homescreen but it suffered from serious slow down on launch. The app draw was also affected so I reverted back to the stock android's 3 homescreens and the phone was lightening quick again.
Nocturnal310 said:
but does it perform decently as a phone?...will i have problems making phone calls & texting?
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In short NO. as phone it is hit a miss. The In-Call Volume is far too quiet and and turned up to max volume on 1.6 you get background interference.
In addition to this there are no initiate call\ end call hard keys sometime feels like there too many options/button presses to make and receive calls.
It works but I feel that it's not as intuative as HTC's own design.
Texting.. Again out of the box texting can be quite a task as the SE keyboard doesnt always recognise key presses. However this can be narrowed down to specific keys when it happens.
You can overcome this though by installing the HTC keyboard or by using Better keyboard from the market.
One more thing to note with text is that TimeScape offers full conversation history with images too and it all looks very tidy. However when you want to respond to message you are taken into what looks like different app that looks less impressive. On the plus side the sms app works in landscape.
On the Plus side, the screen is glorious, browsing is a joy, the OS although not 2.1 is still a joy to use (Comparing to my old Hero on 1.5).
Google maps with Nav and the Camera are also great.
I can't say im completely satisfied with the X10 and on occasion I have been tempted to swap for a Desire. However I have this foolish hope that SE will come good and make this device what it was designed to be. I'm sure you will have heard about the planned updates.
Nocturnal310 said:
-and will rooting come on X10? ...coz i want a phone i can customize later..and not a phone which becomes dinosaur like X1
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I think Root will come eventually but at the moment this device isn't as popular as other android handsets because of SE's past record. It's also evident that alot of people are tempted by the x10, but are not sure wether to make the commitment.
HTC is the safe choice (tried and tested) and I thats why they get root first.
don't do my mistake x10 is shi*ty htc rules ,i regretdd leaving my hd2 ,i will threw the x10 into garbage and return my hd2 to be my main device ,or buy a desire . the x10 feels to be a prerelease prototype device ,very un usable
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don't do my mistake x10 is shi*ty htc rules ,i regretdd leaving my hd2 ,i will threw the x10 into garbage and return my hd2 to be my main device ,or buy a desire . the x10 feels to be a prerelease prototype device ,very un usable
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Right... Very unusable and you threw it in the garbage and then returned to WinMo..
Something tells me theres a fair bit of bull**** floating around.
Infact, coming from the HD2 to the X10, the HD2 is much more unusable than the X10. The X10 is FAR FAR more responsive than any WinMo device
Evostance said:
Right... Very unusable and you threw it in the garbage and then returned to WinMo..
Something tells me theres a fair bit of bull**** floating around.
Infact, coming from the HD2 to the X10, the HD2 is much more unusable than the X10. The X10 is FAR FAR more responsive than any WinMo device
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I agree, I came from HD2 to Desire ( for 3 weeks), and now to X10
Desire was a great phone , but lacked that wow factor, was a little bit too boring in design ( personal choice of course)
Reason I want back to the X10 was the screen size, I found the Desire too small.
When we get 2.1 or 2.2 on this phone, it will be the best around, so we need to pray for root as soon as possible. But as usual, in 3 months, there will be something newer out there.
I want to tell you my story : I had the same experience with SE X1 so I was looking for another choice, first thing I decided NO MORE WM , X1 was my first and last windows mobile . I read about Android but never try, I was looking on the net, reading reviews and previews , I found out that the Desire would be the best, but its design was boring not like the fascinating X10.
X10 is the first SE Android experience because of that there might be some bugs, but now after one month using it I can tell you two words GO AHEAD .... that exactly the device which I was looking for, changing from X1 to X10 is like from hell to heaven .
I think a lot of great things will come soon : X10 will be rooted then it will get Android 2.1 (in Q4 2010)
P.S: as an Arabic user I am suffering that the device doesn't support my language, but it's still my favorite
Nocturnal310 said:
now saw the forum..and X10 also has sufficient amount of bugs compared to other Android phones...infact much more than any other high end android phone
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No, that's not true. There's always an over representation of people who have problems on forums! And to tell you the truth, I have no problems at all with my phone. Bug free and lightning fast with the latest update. Mind you that I never use Timescape or Mediascape, but that's me! And the Desire has bugs too.
Hmmm didnt you started a similar thread before?
If you i had given you my opinion there. In short x10 is not a bad phone. If your expectation is high then you're likey to get dissapointed. Desire is a better option. But not the best looking phone imo.
And dont let timescape and medisca
pe affect your decision they are hardly useful
You are right. We cannot habe arabic without rooting so. It is one of biggest problems I had faced
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Hmmm didnt you started a similar thread before?
If you i had given you my opinion there. In short x10 is not a bad phone. If your expectation is high then you're likey to get dissapointed. Desire is a better option. But not the best looking phone imo.
And dont let timescape and medisca
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Why is the Desire a better option? Because it has Android 2.1? Or is it because it displays gray colors as pink? Or maybe because it is unusable in the sun? Or maybe its the poor reception it receives or crappy pictures it takes? The desire has plenty of negatives that people are writing about all over the place, but it's still a GREAT phone. For my money I prefer the X10, some people will prefer the Desire, and that's fine, but my expectations were extremely high with the X10 and it has met every one of them, it's a fantastic phone.
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Why is the Desire a better option? Because it has Android 2.1? Or is it because it displays gray colors as pink? Or maybe because it is unusable in the sun? Or maybe its the poor reception it receives or crappy pictures it takes? The desire has plenty of negatives that people are writing about all over the place, but it's still a GREAT phone. For my money I prefer the X10, some people will prefer the Desire, and that's fine, but my expectations were extremely high with the X10 and it has met every one of them, it's a fantastic phone.
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Agreed, i had my x10 for a day and its been excellent.
I've had a few niggles with the phone, but nothing major.. I love it, such a great bit of kit.. fast, responsive, clear picture, generally very good ui.. have persevered with Mediascape and quite like it now.. just occasionally use the default mail app to make playlist (which irritatingly can't do in mediascape.. )
managing to get a full day out of the battery now too, and that's with quite a bit of use..
so.. onto OS/ firmware - They've already released a couple of minor build changes.. and another bigger one coming out in the next week or so.. then Android 2.1 (probably not 2.2 or later) in Q4 this year.. I'm not bothered about MT, but then I'm not a big gamer.... all things considered though. A1.6 is pretty damned good anyway.. (my missus has a HTC legend which is great.. but I still prefer my X10..!!
I too came from an X1 to an X10, and couldn't be happier. Even with the X1 modded with an HTC interface, this phone is so much more enjoyable to use. Such a smooth and responsive user experience compared to that one.
My friend has a Desire btw, and on the same network, on the same physical spot, my X10 has better signal reception and higher download speeds. Plus, for some reason the X10 both starts and shuts down WAY faster. So the Desire isn't all that much more desireable in my experience.
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Why is the Desire a better option? Because it has Android 2.1? Or is it because it displays gray colors as pink? Or maybe because it is unusable in the sun? Or maybe its the poor reception it receives or crappy pictures it takes? The desire has plenty of negatives that people are writing about all over the place, but it's still a GREAT phone. For my money I prefer the X10, some people will prefer the Desire, and that's fine, but my expectations were extremely high with the X10 and it has met every one of them, it's a fantastic phone.
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Sorry for being blunt, i was actually reading this thread on the phone and couldnt type long.
Our hesitating friend here is looking for something that he/she can show off. No doubt both phones are good looking physically and GUI wise. And the X10 suit my taste more.
However you have to admit the animation on the phone is just questionable. There are noticeable minor lags. The most obvious is when you hold your thumb on the home screen to change wallpapers, the window jerks open. Such a simple animation and yet it cant be done nicely on a 1ghz cpu. Hence I dare to say the desire does a better job at this. The animations are so fluid its almost on par with the iphone. You might say i'm being picky, i admit that, thats prob because my expectation was even more higher than yours.
Look nocturnal, both phones have good and bad points, it all depends on what features both phones offer matter to you most, and what are the bad points you can ignore. I'm a pessimist, I like my things by accepting their cons. Im also a X1 user as I mentioned in your earlier thread. Upgrading from that piece of junk to X10 is definitely a huge leap. I maybe complaining about the smallest details i can find on X10, but that does not mean Im not happy with the phone. I know iphone is the only phone(according to my experience) that can do the most fluid GUI, (HTC second) but can i live with no-multitasking, apple being a control freak etc etc? No
I'd give X10 a 8/10, X1 a 2/10.
Pass
I have only purchased SE phones for the past seven years. My last three were the p900a, p910i, and currently I own the x1i. Prior to SE I only purchased Motorola. When the X10 came out I decided to purchase but also wanted to wait to see want x10 owners were saying. I have been waiting, and waiting, and waiting for enough positives to go ahead a take the x10 plunge. I have learned the hard way that SE gets great hardware out there and is slow to get the software side up and running appropriately, but that is not a deal breaker by itself.
After waiting for several issues to be resolved before purchasing and reading the volume of issues, I have finally decided to give the x10 a pass all together. No, I will wait for the issues facing the x10 to be worked out in the next SE. Like maybe the GX1! That will be sweet when/if it arrives to market.
The reason I have decided to wait: Unlike the p900, p910, and x1, the x10's issues are too involved with the reasons I would buy this ppc.
1) I prefer a hard keyboard and the with the issues facing the on-screen keyboard, the rest of the phone would really have to be superstar to over come this issue for me. Not a deal breaker by itself.
2) Timescape lags, contact photo not clean, issues with google email and facebook functionality, plus doesn't sync'n well and, lack of thoughtfulness with the controls.
3) Battery life is not optimised for the X10's performance. Not a deal breaker
4) Flash 10.1 not released yet and it is not yet known what issues will arise with working on the X10. Current flash players isn't really a proper flash player and video hangs at 50% complete. Issue for me
5) Running 1.6 and given SE track record the phone will get one up date to possibly the 2.1 in NOVEMBER. And, after that x10 owners will be on their own. Plus spring will be the launch of SE's next product. For me this is the biggest issue.
6) Suspicious that the screen protector that is included and shipped attached is really covering up a more serious issue with the actual screen itself. I do not see this as SE being thoughtful. Other wise why not just put it in the box and let the user decide? Some markets even got two screen protectors. One attached and second one to attach at a later time. It smells an awful lot like a screen manufacturing problem to me. Time will tell. But still an issue for me.
These are just a few off the top of my head. None are really deal breakers by themselves, and I know some will be addressed in June with an update and the others will be fixed in November. But why so long? Way too long if SE expects to keep me as a continued long term customers who always buys their flagship products. I also know that some will never be fixed. I would rather wait for the X20 with it's improvements and fixes to the issues facing the X10. Because I know there will not be enough changes to justify trading up from the X10 to the X20 should I buy now. I made that mistake with jumping from the p900 to the p910.
Here is what I would like to see SE and Google under the same roof. This would truly be an international success story. Ericsson's connectivity, Sony's ground breaking portable hardware, Googles OS, and purchase a forth company (purely software) to bring the apps into the 21st century. SE needs to buy a major software developer right now. SE's issues are always related to software and it that take too frick'n long to fix, if they get fixed at all. And, if you decide to get the fix yourself you void your warranty and can't get auto updates any more. Insane!
So unless something seriously ground breaking happens with this X10 I will hold on to my X1 a bit longer.
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I have only purchased SE phones for the past seven years. My last three were the p900a, p910i, and currently I own the x1i. Prior to SE I only purchased Motorola. When the X10 came out I decided to purchase but also wanted to wait to see want x10 owners were saying. I have been waiting, and waiting, and waiting for enough positives to go ahead a take the x10 plunge. I have learned the hard way that SE gets great hardware out there and is slow to get the software side up and running appropriately, but that is not a deal breaker by itself.
After waiting for several issues to be resolved before purchasing and reading the volume of issues, I have finally decided to give the x10 a pass all together. No, I will wait for the issues facing the x10 to be worked out in the next SE. Like maybe the GX1! That will be sweet when/if it arrives to market.
The reason I have decided to wait: Unlike the p900, p910, and x1, the x10's issues are too involved with the reasons I would buy this ppc.
1) I prefer a hard keyboard and the with the issues facing the on-screen keyboard, the rest of the phone would really have to be superstar to over come this issue for me. Not a deal breaker by itself.
2) Timescape lags, contact photo not clean, issues with google email and facebook functionality, plus doesn't sync'n well and, lack of thoughtfulness with the controls.
3) Battery life is not optimised for the X10's performance. Not a deal breaker
4) Flash 10.1 not released yet and it is not yet known what issues will arise with working on the X10. Current flash players isn't really a proper flash player and video hangs at 50% complete. Issue for me
5) Running 1.6 and given SE track record the phone will get one up date to possibly the 2.1 in NOVEMBER. And, after that x10 owners will be on their own. Plus spring will be the launch of SE's next product. For me this is the biggest issue.
6) Suspicious that the screen protector that is included and shipped attached is really covering up a more serious issue with the actual screen itself. I do not see this as SE being thoughtful. Other wise why not just put it in the box and let the user decide? Some markets even got two screen protectors. One attached and second one to attach at a later time. It smells an awful lot like a screen manufacturing problem to me. Time will tell. But still an issue for me.
These are just a few off the top of my head. None are really deal breakers by themselves, and I know some will be addressed in June with an update and the others will be fixed in November. But why so long? Way too long if SE expects to keep me as a continued long term customers who always buys their flagship products. I also know that some will never be fixed. I would rather wait for the X20 with it's improvements and fixes to the issues facing the X10. Because I know there will not be enough changes to justify trading up from the X10 to the X20 should I buy now. I made that mistake with jumping from the p900 to the p910.
Here is what I would like to see SE and Google under the same roof. This would truly be an international success story. Ericsson's connectivity, Sony's ground breaking portable hardware, Googles OS, and purchase a forth company (purely software) to bring the apps into the 21st century. SE needs to buy a major software developer right now. SE's issues are always related to software and it that take too frick'n long to fix, if they get fixed at all. And, if you decide to get the fix yourself you void your warranty and can't get auto updates any more. Insane!
So unless something seriously ground breaking happens with this X10 I will hold on to my X1 a bit longer.
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fm1776, none of those are issues to me especially no. 2 which I completely disagree with, no. 3 is also not the case with my phone, and the Android 1.6 being upgraded late this year ignores the fact that SE allows you to do the same and more that any Nexus 2.1 phone can do. Certainly a hard keyboard, if that is what you require, makes the x10 not the right phone for you. I am kind of shocked that you had the x1 but have passed on the x10 though, it is night and day between these phones, a lightyear leap, really.
the X10 reminds me a lot of the PS3. when the PS3 came out, it was dissed left and right. fans lost faith.
look what happened now? PS3 is killing it. and it too had to get firmware updates. and after some major updates, it was rockin'
i feel almost the same about the X10 as i did when i purchased a PS3 and my friends clowned me for it. now, it's not a laughing matter.
X10 IS getting 2.1 and that is a fact (for now) and i think if SE gives us what we want, it will be a win-win sooner or later.
so far the phone is a let down for me personally.
i don't hate it. patience and time will tell about how i feel about the phone when it's all said and done.
but as a phone, it doesn't do the 'phone' particularly well at this stage. low call volumes, along with a vibration that you can't really feel and a battery life that you can not really depend on is something really bugs me.
This is not a thread to bash or degrade the X10 at all in any way. I really like my X10 it's a great phone, I enjoy using it. Problem is my wife does as well.
So I gave her the phone because she need a good camera and something to watch movies etc with while on vacation.
So now I'm back with my rooted/hacked Magic which I like but not so much after using the X10. I was going to just buy another but wanted to be sure first, so to my question.
Anyone that has tried a different phone and moved to a X10 or has dropped the X10 for a different phone, whats the closest competitor or upgrade?
It has to be usable on Rogers 3g and can't be an Iphone, I will never own an apple product so that shouldn't be a debate.
Thanks for any feedback just want some options, maybe I already have the best one out there.
I would buy it again, I've even turned down an offer to trade mine in for a Desire. Only way I'd switch would be if there was a bigger Snapdragon version of the Legend available.
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X10 all the way
I would buy it again too. I just love the design, the camera, Mediascape and the screen. However I would be really tempted between the X10 and Galaxy S. The Galaxy S has an even better screen then our X10. However the Galaxy sucks design wise, I mean, it's just like an iFart 3G(S), even the menu looks the same. The Galaxy S feels a lot faster though. It just flies through all the different menus and screens.
So if you like me love the design, camera and Mediascape of the X10 , then buy it again. Otherwise I would take a good look at the Galaxy S.
X10 it is a wonderful phone, but this delay about android 2.1 and froyo annoys me...
I was looking through the specs on the Galaxy-S. Actually thought it would be a pretty nice phone till I actually saw it. And the fact it has a AMOLED screen, they seem blurry to me and way over saturated.
How does the Nexus compare, can't seem to see anything else that compares to the X10.
I will only exchange my X10 for a Droid X or dell Streak.
Droid X becuase it has similar specs (camera and bigger screen) and good firmware support. Dell Streak for the screen size and possibly 2.2 very soon.
But love my X10 for its camera, screen, Mediascape, Dialler, TrackID and lack of firmware update. You just cant beat that.
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I will only exchange my X10 for a Droid X or dell Streak.
Droid X becuase it has similar specs (camera and bigger screen) and good firmware support. Dell Streak for the screen size and possibly 2.2 very soon.
But love my X10 for its camera, screen, Mediascape, Dialler, TrackID and lack of firmware update. You just cant beat that.
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Thanks yes that was the other one I was thinking about just couldn't remember. The Droid X looks very nice, not big on the hardware keyboard but the rest of the specs look wicked and the looks itself I don't mind king of industrial. But I don't see that they have one for Rogers 3G bands (same as AT&T) It would be right on the top of my list if they have one that will work Rogers. Streak it very nice but getting into tablet size IMO.
I would buy it again.
I can overlook the 2.1 delay and no 2.2 in the near future.
I'm enjoying my first taste of Android.
The media capabilities are nice, video & audio are clear and smooth.
The processor is extremely quick.
I like the large screen.
I don't need a hardware keyboard.
It is less practical than winmo, but more entertainment oriented.
The camera is excellent.
I think you should wait a couple weeks and see what happens with flashing CM6 on the X10, if things go well then I'd go for another one for sure, otherwise choose something else.
Having said that, if you can't wait an additional few months lol, buy the AT&T Samsung Galaxy S Captivate...geeze mouthful or HTC Desire (which Telus will have in stock real soon and I think will work on Rogers 3G??) still imho one of, if not THE best phones on the market. And come October/November there will be even more great choices on the market...patience is a virtue
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I would buy it again.
I can overlook the 2.1 delay and no 2.2 in the near future.
I'm enjoying my first taste of Android.
The media capabilities are nice, video & audio are clear and smooth.
The processor is extremely quick.
I like the large screen.
I don't need a hardware keyboard.
It is less practical than winmo, but more entertainment oriented.
The camera is excellent.
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Exactly the same sentiments as me. I just wanted an android phone and my carrier only offered X10 at a discounted rate. But I am extremely pleased. Plus it makes my blackberry friends jealous since they try to talk crap about my phone to make themselves feel better.
I would yes, as it's a beautiful piece of equipment, and will happily sit out the wait for 2.1, and who knows, maybe sometime later the devs on here will get 2.2 on it.
4 months ago... yes
today no... i would wait for September or even Christmas.
Yes.....after de-applefying myself from my old Iphone, i love this new bit of Kit. Sure ths OS isnt current and the battery is a little needy. But the hardware/software relationship is great and the device its self is fantastic.
I love my X10
Rooted already, tethering done, since root my batter goes x2 time , great thanks to xda people.
Screen is so great.
Well a lot of things, maybe the Froyo not support is the only thing I miss here, but I'm patient about it
As far as I'm concerned its the best android phone out there, I've tried the nexus one, milestone and the HTC legend and the x10 was the best when it came to reception and battery life. I just wish it came with 2.1 at the very least. I'm on my 3rd x10 btw, I keep going back to it
Thanks for all the opinions guys. Yeah I'm a fan since I bought it that's why it's hard to figure if I want another one or try out the latest and greatest.
Not new to Android I've had a Magic since the day they came to Canada I love to OS no selling me on that. Battery is a none issue I charge every night regardless, had to do it with my Magic as well. (heavy user)
So far I think the only one that looks to be able to grab my attention from the X10 would be the Droid X if I can find one that uses Rogers 3G bands.
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4 months ago... yes
today no... i would wait for September or even Christmas.
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I can't seem to find anything up and coming that would make me wait. Any info on what you think would be worth the wait. I'm not in a huge hurry, but now that I've used the X10 it's hard to use the little Magic again.
I just did as I moved from T-mobile to AT&T. Had X10i in white for a long while now and then purchase X10a in Black. I didn't like the Black X10 as much as the white one. So, purchased a White X10a. Yesterday, I went to AT&T store and played with Samsung Captivate and have to tell you I like my X10a even more. SE came up with a design that can't be beaten for a long while. I wonder how much better can SE do with their X10 upgrade.
Some things they can do to make X10 upgrade even more sexy:
1. Little sleeker or keep same size but fit in bigger and better battery.
2. Sony Ericsson logo on top or Xperia logo at bottom to act like Notification light (battery drainer?)
3. 4 buttons
4. A Glossy Premium Carbon metal body (like Z series Vaio) for the front side.
absolutely i never buy sonyericsson device one more time!
i have just not really happy with T68 (some years ago..) and p900i.
i try SE X10 for the top class hw feature, but i have to admit that this "phone" is not very usefull for me.
battery life is a huge problem.
the touchscreen some time is not responding fine.
the sound quality and volume level is not sufficient (i have Nokia N95-1, is tremendous louder compared to x10 !!) , that's absolutely NOT acceptable from a brand wich contain the word "sony" on his brandname.
plus, the lag of the official software development on this phone.
if this is the top-class device from SE, it must deserve a top-class development , i think
sorry for too many words, but i'm really disappointed with this phone.
I Would yes,
I love the phone , i love the design , x10 feels like a classy phone with very elegant design.
I am very satisfied with the latest updates , my battery life holds more than enough.
And i love the freaking screen !!!
I cant wait to run 2.1
Cheers
Just switched to a Samsung Galaxy S. My conclusion:
- Exchange Sync and Android sucks, while email is ok, calendar sync is buggy
- Battery!!! I got 2-3 days with my Xperia and 2/3 day (LESS THAN ONE) on the SGS
- The Xperia can't do all the fancy android stuff. The SGS can't either because the battery is empty ...
- Xperia is robust! Hard to damage!
- WiMo may not be fast, but android also laggs sometimes
- WiMo is more intuitive for me (as a PC user)
Xperia X1 sure is a great phone, I enjoy mine very much. However, if I could have Xperia's guts in my Universal....
I abolutely agree. There aren't many phones out there I would trade for my X1. Maybe the LG Expo but it's hardly available. The HD 2 surely is a great phone too but without a hw keyboard it disqualifies itself for me.
Im still very pleased to realise day and day again how much can be accomplished with the X1. Especially when you take into consideration that the Xperia X1 have been sold for almost 2 years now.
i love my xperia
and if you want all the fancy android stuff, well then wait a while, android is making great progress!
best of both worlds if you ask me!
I loved my Xperia as well (if it weren't for my constant flex ribbon issue I would still love it). I gotta say the FROYO port to the X1 worked extremely well, even used turn by turn navigation with no problems at all. Sad that HTC Sense version of the Xperia is no longer continued. Hint, hint Jonny4911 I definitely like having multiple operating systems on the phone in addition to having a cool wow form factor of the Xperia. While it was still working, people would still ask me "what phone is that?!"
I think so.....
Two words that really prevent this phone from being the best I've owned and cannot be ignored in my opinion:
Quality issues
Definitely X1 earned to be one of the best Smarties ever.
Honestly I still keep this if something irreversible will happen to my X2.
X2 could be actually X1 improved, but the software mess they made prevented this.
Pity.
The thing is I really admire SE smartphone concepts.
Hopefully WP7 device will be also great....
That's interesting cos I was actually thinking I should go for the Galaxy S. I still love my Xperia and only yesterday a very pretty girl asked me what it was
Hehe, it even gets you chicks!!!
I love my XPERIA X1 TOO (than my X2 and Milestone). Besides of X1's most ellegance mode of my other phones, because it is a present from my dad.
X2 really has a big trouble in its software. It often get lag after a phone call. Why SE make a downgrade of X1 Gosh?!?
Because the review and commercial in my country rate Galaxy S as 4.5 stars , I plan to replace my buggy Milestone to Galaxy S this morning but it's not available yet till next two weeks in my town (In Indonesia, Galaxy S is just about to b launched).
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That's interesting cos I was actually thinking I should go for the Galaxy S. I still love my Xperia and only yesterday a very pretty girl asked me what it was
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Happened to me occasionally too. It was great while it lasted. I used that phone until it literally fell apart.
I'm currently using the captivate (ATT galaxy S). It's a good upgrade imo. Not quite as elegant but it has impressed just as many people (including me) as my xperia did.
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I love to see how people amazed when they see my X1 with Android in it haha.. and they really loved it.. Though they still prefer the smooth scrolling of Iphone.. My phone beats that with multi-user interface
WM 6.1, 6.5, HTC Sense, PointUI roms are already that much.. Almost every few days I'll change my rom LOL.. Let's hope Android sets it foot into becoming a rom for our X1
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Definitely X1 earned to be one of the best Smarties ever.
Honestly I still keep this if something irreversible will happen to my X2.
X2 could be actually X1 improved, but the software mess they made prevented this.
Pity.
The thing is I really admire SE smartphone concepts.
Hopefully WP7 device will be also great....
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Sorry, off topic, but what's the state of the X2 firmware mess? Did they ever iron things out?
x1 is great phone ever.. it have video call other phone xperia have no video phone and its still the best for me
I've been using this phone almost a year now and all the things i need to a person to be mobility and flexible is with this phone. I can used it with my work, traveling, exercise, gaming and even sound tripping. As of now, i haven't found any phone that could replace it.
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Two words that really prevent this phone from being the best I've owned and cannot be ignored in my opinion:
Quality issues
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Totally agree with you man. It's frustrating that with such a great phone we have to be hit hard by quality issues. From cracks to keyboard problems to ribbon issues. It's a shame really.
SE could have almost made a near perfect phone, but they washed it down the drain with quality issues. They hit it spot on with the form factor, the design (sexiest phone I've seen, even till today), the hardware buttons (on which modern phone can you find this amount of hardware buttons even if you exclude the keyboard?), the collaboration with HTC, the OS (WM is still great and will still be great for years to come).
So many thing went so right, but just 1 issue flushed it down the drain. Sigh.
on the middle of 2011 some one wanted to say that he likes and loves his X1 still but will be 100% satisfied if it's more slim!!
The X1 hardware is great, but WinMo really does suck, the only thing it has over iOS and Android is an offline version of Garmin gps software.
I just got an Evo 3D and so far I'm much happier with it than I was with the Xperia for the past year.
the x1 is a greatphone,the standard software wm 6.1 sucks a little bit but there is so much software to tune it up.
spb mobile shell 3.5
resco explorer
r3a camera update
voice command
audio notes
navigon 7
a lot of games etc etc
i buyed it for 150 euro new with 16 gb sd card and a lot more and i am absolutly happy..just miss a better cam and multitouch or a g sensor...