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Anyone else's screen like this?

Did anyone else notice how the screen can be kinda grainy? its only really noticable if your kinda close to the screen and most noticible on text in a web page or something thin. Is it normal for OLEDs or is something wrong with my phone

I can at least confirm that compared to the G1, the Nex1 screen is insanely oversaturated and the contrast is really high. You might also be noticing that in many applications lazily designed for smaller screen dimensions, raster graphics are being scaled up, which causes nasty artifacting (text and pure vector apps should be okay, though).
And now that you mention it, if I hold the phone *really* close to my face, the dot patterns are a little more visible than on a non-OLED.
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i know for a fact the oversaturation is normal. OLED displays show much more saturated colors than LCDs because of their design. Im talking specifically about the grainyness meaning how edges look kind of dotty its hard to explain with words lol. Its usually not noticible unless you hold it up close to your face or youre specifically looking for it.

melterx12 said:
i know for a fact the oversaturation is normal. OLED displays show much more saturated colors than LCDs because of their design. Im talking specifically about the grainyness meaning how edges look kind of dotty its hard to explain with words lol. Its usually not noticible unless you hold it up close to your face or youre specifically looking for it.
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Those are called pixels.. put your nose to any LCD screen and you'll see the same..
It's because some things just weren't built for the higher res screen the N1 sports compared to other Android devices, that and the screen has a significantly sharper image than any other phone I've looked at.

Yeah, you can tell some apps and widgets werent designed for hi-res, this phone is blowin me away so far though, I love my G1 and mytouch but they got nothin on this beast

DarkLord7854 said:
Those are called pixels.. put your nose to any LCD screen and you'll see the same..
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i know this but im just saying on my display its noticibley more noticible (no pun intended) than on an LCD. are you guys seeing the same thing?

melterx12 said:
i know this but im just saying on my display its considerably more noticible than on an LCD. are you guys seeing the same thing?
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You're seeing it more because of the nature of the OLED screen methinks, everything is much more pronounced, which is why it creates such a nice picture.

im asking if YOU are noticing it lol

Yea, if I look really really really really close I can sort of see it, nothing to worry about though

like how close? youre making it sound like youre using an electron microscope or something. I can begin to notice it about half a foot away!
sorry if i sound nit-picky I payed 530$ and want to make sure my phone is perfect (especially since im probably gonna void my warranty and unlock the bootloader)

If my nose is almost touching it I can see the pixels somewhat, depends what application I'm looking at though.

i can just imagine all of you guys just stilling there putting this nexus one up to your noses and having someone walk in and yell "WTF are you doing?!"

... blueman did you notice this as well or no

unfortunately my nexus one is still somewhere in between Moutain View and Vegas.

Melt, I can see what you're talking about but I don't really notice it unless I'm looking for it or like someone else said I hold it right next to my face, but I can't tell what you're freakin out about cause as a whole my display looks damn amazing.

why are people so paranoid about things?

cause these things cost 530$ + tax.

the grainyness you're seeing is probably upscaled images from 3rd party applications. Since the Droid and Nexus one both have super high res screens, some applications graphics wont fit properly, and the phone will resize them without re-rendering it.
Kinda like trying to print a 1 megapixel image on a billboard, it will turn into giant pixels.
The stock android apps should look fine though. So far I've been very pleased with the display and how things look.
hope this helps. I work a lot with graphics.

melterx12 said:
like how close? youre making it sound like youre using an electron microscope or something. I can begin to notice it about half a foot away!
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Now you got me curious. I can notice the pixel grain (especially on gradient backgrounds) at about 5" or closer. I am slightly nearsighted, though.
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dills84 said:
the grainyness you're seeing is probably upscaled images from 3rd party applications. Since the Droid and Nexus one both have super high res screens, some applications graphics wont fit properly, and the phone will resize them without re-rendering it.
Kinda like trying to print a 1 megapixel image on a billboard, it will turn into giant pixels.
The stock android apps should look fine though. So far I've been very pleased with the display and how things look.
hope this helps. I work a lot with graphics.
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im seeing the faint grainyness effect everywhere even home screen

Evo's Lack of color depth next to Nexus becoming a dealbreaker

I figure the connection issues will strengthen with updates...but Man these washed out colors are a bummer... bigger for me than capped graphics capacity

rockky said:
I figure the connection issues will strengthen with updates...but Man these washed out colors are a bummer... bigger for me than capped graphics capacity
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Any phone without AMOLED is going to look like that. We're spoiled by the vibrancy of AMOLED, but the switch back to LCD for me is fine. AMOLED has burn in issues, big time.

I agree. The color depth is going to be a deal breaker for me. Photographs just look so unnatural to me on the screen. I noticed it before I knew the phone had a 16bit screen. I thought it was some kind of server side compression degrading the photographs before they made it to the browser. (I have very little experience with android.) I take photography pretty seriously though and most people are probably lucky enough to not notice it.

k2snowboards88 said:
I agree. The color depth is going to be a deal breaker for me. Photographs just look so unnatural to me on the screen. I noticed it before I knew the phone had a 16bit screen. I thought it was some kind of server side compression degrading the photographs before they made it to the browser. (I have very little experience with android.) I take photography pretty seriously though and most people are probably lucky enough to not notice it.
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Im also a serious photographer. However, when you actually see the screen in person instead of in other pictures they look fine. Remember, the Nexus also has a 16 bit screen, it just looks more vibrant because it's AMOLED.

Geniusdog254 said:
Im also a serious photographer. However, when you actually see the screen in person instead of in other pictures they look fine. Remember, the Nexus also has a 16 bit screen, it just looks more vibrant because it's AMOLED.
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I did notice the 16 bit color in person without knowing that it had a 16 bit screen. I've never seen the nexus 1 so I can't compare it to that. Its definitely not the lack of saturation that bothers me. Its that chintzy quality that a 16 bit screen gives photographs that bothers me, unfortunately.

k2snowboards88 said:
I agree. The color depth is going to be a deal breaker for me. Photographs just look so unnatural to me on the screen. I noticed it before I knew the phone had a 16bit screen. I thought it was some kind of server side compression degrading the photographs before they made it to the browser. (I have very little experience with android.) I take photography pretty seriously though and most people are probably lucky enough to not notice it.
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Yeah I noticed it too in the specs & in use but not sure it's a deal breaker yet for me until I see it compared to the upcoming Samsung Android 24bitphones & iPhone4..

k2snowboards88 said:
I did notice the 16 bit color in person without knowing that it had a 16 bit screen. I've never seen the nexus 1 so I can't compare it to that. Its definitely not the lack of saturation that bothers me. Its that chintzy quality that a 16 bit screen gives photographs that bothers me, unfortunately.
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Ahh thats understandable I guess. To each his own.
I don't need my phone to show off my collection or view pictures. I have a Zune HD I use for media & have loaded up with music & my photo collections. OLED and good color depth, so it fits my needs.

Geniusdog254 said:
Ahh thats understandable I guess. To each his own.
I don't need my phone to show off my collection or view pictures. I have a Zune HD I use for media & have loaded up with music & my photo collections. OLED and good color depth, so it fits my needs.
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Fair enough. I wouldn't have posted in this thread if I knew that the nexus one also had a 16 bit screen. I just took the OP's word for the nexus having a high color depth.
for myself, one of my favorite things to do when I'm bored is just browse flickr for inspiration and fun. The 16 bit screen would but a big damper on that pastime.

I don't really note the lack of colors(I am not color blind), I just love how the colors that are there are extremely vibrant.

yeah....guess I shouldda had this view comin in
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Any phone without AMOLED is going to look like that. We're spoiled by the vibrancy of AMOLED, but the switch back to LCD for me is fine. AMOLED has burn in issues, big time.
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I wouldnt get the iphone again....but.... the upcoming screen quality should be extraordinary.
Hey the screen is our interface...its important to me.

rockky said:
I figure the connection issues will strengthen with updates...but Man these washed out colors are a bummer... bigger for me than capped graphics capacity
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after 2 weeks of getting rid of your nexus one you wont notice and the display will look real nice...AND you can see the damn screen in the sun..i hated that so much about my nexus, and the multitouch sensor

There's way too much blue in the screen also - too much blue can give a pink tint also bc it kills the green.
It makes me wonder why you can't adjust color on these $500 (retail) phone yet on a 200 netbook I can.
At first I thought plugged shadow and washed put highlights were bc of contrast. I didn't guess I should have done more homework.

I don't know. I think the screen looks great, and I came from a Nexus One. A friend of mine said the screen looks fake it's so crisp. I like my screen.

Looks amazing to me. Of course AMOLED is going to be better. It's higher quality. The EVO screen is just fine though. A huge step up from my Hero or any of my other devices (sans zune hd)

that's the problem with people like us. i work in printing and color correcting photos all day you just end up noticing things most people don't. we fuss for hours over wheter or not a customer would see if there's too much (name a color here) or not.
it's tough looking at magazines and critiquing the printing instead of the content sometimes, lol.

the color are worst then my Hero.

apollooff320 said:
the color are worst then my Hero.
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You've gotta be kidding me. Either something must be wrong with your EVO or you must have had an amazing Hero because the EVO beats my Hero in screen clarity and color hands down. I gave the Hero to my mother and even looking at it right now, there's just no competition.

sfox8 said:
You've gotta be kidding me. Either something must be wrong with your EVO or you must have had an amazing Hero because the EVO beats my Hero in screen clarity and color hands down. I gave the Hero to my mother and even looking at it right now, there's just no competition.
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I agree, and how you could not love that huge screen. AMOLED is a deal breaker for the majority of the population because it is impossible to see in sunlight, i've seen it myself and it is total garbage. The EVO screen is ridiculously beautiful in my eyes, but maybe that's because i will be upgrading from a blackberry pearl :x. Obviously the colors aren't as vivid as a nexus, but there is sometimes a over-saturation of colors.

apollooff320 said:
the color are worst then my Hero.
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I feel you man, my old Motorola razor screen blows this away!!
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This is really the screen that has everyone so impressed?

I’m not trying to upset anyone here but I have to be honest about my first thoughts on the Galaxy screen. Tonight I stopped by a T-Mobile store and with my iPhone 4G and HTC Evo, I tried out the T-Mobile Vibrant. I had all 3 phones on, side by side and I really was not too impressed with the SGS screen due mostly to that awful screen door matrix.
When I held the SGS about 6 inches away from my eyes, I could clearly see the pixel grid (or whatever it’s called) and was just put off by it. I can honestly say that I feel the best looking screen is the iPhone’s without a doubt and the Evo comes in 2nd. The iPhone’s small screen is a pretty big problem for me but now I’m just not sure which device to stick with.
Am I really the only one who can see the matrix and is bothered by this??? I really wanted to just fall hard for this phone on first contact and I could have. It just drives me crazy that all 3 phones have really nice features and I’d gladly pay double if not triple to have the best of all 3 devices in one device………

You're right, the pixels do annoy me a little, only coz I'm a perfectionist...
The colours are beautiful though; and in normal use I never notice the pixels...

ZacJ said:
You're right, the pixels do annoy me a little, only coz I'm a perfectionist...
The colours are beautiful though; and in normal use I never notice the pixels...
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So I'm assuming you just got used to after a while? I was looking at the notification bar and the battery and other icons seemed to look kind of low res to me. I guess this is what people are talking about when they say it has larger pixels.

AshMa said:
Am I really the only one who can see the matrix and is bothered by this???
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Not trying to be annoying, but you only see the pixels, because steve told you so.
I saw the pixels too, because steve told me to look at them, would have never looked if iphone 4's dpi wasn't so hyped.
I think the screen is very much amazing with full brightness, hope you checked that the one in the store was set to 100% brightness too and not just focus on the pixels.
Next time try to do something real with the phone, like watch youtube HD and then do the comparison to iPhone and you will be all happy again.
Good luck

buddy01 said:
Not trying to be annoying, but you only see the pixels, because steve told you so.
I saw the pixels too, because steve told me to look at them, would have never looked if iphone 4's dpi wasn't so hyped.
I think the screen is very much amazing with full brightness, hope you checked that the one in the store was set to 100% brightness too and not just focus on the pixels.
Next time try to do something real with the phone, like watch youtube HD and then do the comparison to iPhone and you will be all happy again.
Good luck
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I see what you're saying but I guess I'm not really talking about the pixels but rather the type of screen used that gives that screen door look. Remember, I stated that I still have no issues with the Evo screen which I think looks much better in person than it does in photos online compared to the SGS screen.

On the other hand, if you habitually hold your phone at 6" from your face, you should probably consult an optometrist
In practice, the pixels are indistinguishable from those of the EVO, or of the iPhone 3Gs. But, the overall experience is noticeably richer with the Super AMOLED, IMO.
The screen is the biggest thing this phone has going for it, and why I've decided to stick with it.

I don't think you were seeing the sub pixel's pentile pattern. Sub pixels on any device are way too small to see; a camera macro is needed to see them, and you need to press your lense against the screen itself.

The thing is, it had the same leaf and water live wallpaper that my Evo has and yet I could see that grid on it and not the Evo. 6 inches btw' was just to get closer because I thought I started to notice something.

I own the SGS and ive used a Iphone4 a few times, even though the res did look a little sharper, side by side you would have to be really picky to care, the colour of the SGS is much more noticable than the slight res difference.
The iphone4 just looked bland to me.
I have a iphone 3g for work as well, not as fast as the 3gs, but after owning the SGS for nearly 2 weeks i hate having to use the iphone.

I'm used to the pentile matrix since it was also on my Nexus One.
It definitely can give a rough looking edge on some elements but not enough to make me consider ditching the phone even for a moment.
I certainly cannot see the pentile matrix in photos and videos nor in games.
If pentile goes with denser pixels (say 1280x720) I don't think you'd notice it at all on a 4" screen, but it brings the benefits of increased battery life (though this may be marginal?)
Anyway, it can be seen but it really doesn't bother me personally.

miker71 said:
I'm used to the pentile matrix since it was also on my Nexus One.
It definitely can give a rough looking edge on some elements but not enough to make me consider ditching the phone even for a moment.
I certainly cannot see the pentile matrix in photos and videos nor in games.
If pentile goes with denser pixels (say 1280x720) I don't think you'd notice it at all on a 4" screen, but it brings the benefits of increased battery life (though this may be marginal?)
Anyway, it can be seen but it really doesn't bother me personally.
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So you're saying that after sometime, one could get used to the screen and no longer notice the matrix? Unless of course Morpheus comes knocking to wake us up.

Now everyone see the pixel.. because Steve said to watch it!

The screen is probably a net downside to the phone for me - high contrast ratio is great, but I'd sooner give that up than compromise on true resolution and sharpness from the PenTile matrix. It seems I'm in a minority with that opinion!
Unfortunately there's no real choice unless I want to start compromising on the rest of the hardware instead. The iPhone does send to set trends, for better or worse, and I do hope the iPhone 4 starts one for higher DPI phones. Going from QVGA to VGA was immediately a massive improvement.

A little real life perspective here would be nice. 4" screen with 480x800 pixel resolution is one of the highest out there already.

I tend to use my phone from about 18" away, so I care what the screen looks like, not the individual pixels. Plus my Sammy can update those pixels 3x faster than the Evo.

TravUK said:
I tend to use my phone from about 18" away, so I care what the screen looks like, not the individual pixels. Plus my Sammy can update those pixels 3x faster than the Evo.
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Exactly. The monstrous hardware behind the SGS is the real deal here. Even if this "pixelated screen" is a big deal for some people (definitely not my case...), the fluidity, contrast ratio, brightness and colors make more then up for it.

Six inches from your face??! Dude i cant even focus that close. The screen is awesome end of discussion.
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When putting it very close to my face, yes, i can see the PenTile matrix.
But that's complete nonsense- it's visible only if you search for it and the screen is more than sharp enough for reading even small sized text in the browser.
On the other hand, i enjoy the true blacks and amazing colors the screen gives.
The iPhone 4 just can't compare, and while watching videos/playing games/taking or viewing pictures etc. that is a much more important factor.
I won't ever give away better color for some more PPI.

I really like hi-res panels (so much that I bought in 2003 a dell laptop with a 15.4 1920x1200 screen!), but I can assure you that the i9000 res will not be a problem. Of course I would have loved a higher RES - (and 2ghz and and and) but I think that the res is fine for reasonable distance viewing.
I think the real benefit of the screen are the colors, the contrast and the size. After some point the resolution is already good enough that you start focusing on other parameters as well.

dakine said:
Six inches from your face??! Dude i cant even focus that close. The screen is awesome end of discussion.
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this. and the far superior cpu/gpu/contrast/color power
go get steve out of your head

HTC to use SLCD display for future Nexus One!!

It seems there's not enought AMOLED for everyone, so I guess the developer version of the Nexus One that is going to be sold soon will use this lcd?? Here's the press release:
HTC Introduces SLCD Display Technology To Its Portfolio
New Displays to be integrated into HTC Desire and Nexus One
Taoyuan, TAIWAN – July 26, 2010 – HTC Corporation, a global designer of smartphones, today introduced Super LCD display (SLCD) technology into a variety of HTC phones including the HTC Desire and global Nexus One later this summer. The SLCD display offers an exceptional natural balanced colour, clear contrast, broad viewing angles and improved power efficiency.
"HTC is experiencing high-demand for many of our phones, specifically our phones with 3.7 inch displays. The new SLCD display technology enables us to ramp up our production capabilities quickly to meet the high-demand," said Peter Chou, CEO of HTC Corporation. "The SLCD displays provide consumers with a comparable visual experience to HTC's current 3.7 inch displays with some additional benefits including battery performance."
SLCD is the latest generation of LCD technology that offers improved performance from earlier LCD panels including approximately five times better power management. SLCDs also offer an enhanced viewing experience with wider viewing angles that are enabled by Sony's new VSPEC III™ technology.
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Read between the lines. . . This is going to be a more efficient display unit, that is easily manufactured. I don't see anything involving the word "better".
Battery life is already impressive unless you use your Nexus for literally everything.

HighTech216 said:
Read between the lines. . . This is going to be a more efficient display unit, that is easily manufactured. I don't see anything involving the word "better".
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I'm not saying it's better or worse. I'm just posting news. 0_o

maybe samsung just doesn't want to sell any to HTC.. is SLCD "comparable" to AMLCD or whatever used by iphone4..

I'm already thinking about selling my brand new Nexus One in order to get a new one with an SLCD screen.
Goodbye pentiles! Goodbye over saturation!
Hope Sony is NOT going the pentile matrix way, as this is not exclusive to amoleds...

i'm wondering whether the new screen uses a better digitizer for multi touch? a multi touch Vis test would be good on a Super LCD nexus one.

Shahpur.Azizpour said:
I'm already thinking about selling my brand new Nexus One in order to get a new one with an SLCD screen.
Goodbye pentiles! Goodbye over saturation!
Hope Sony is NOT going the pentile matrix way, as this is not exclusive to amoleds...
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what's wrong with pentiles? and why is over saturation not a good thing. it makes things look more vibrant and colorful?

stats101 said:
what's wrong with pentiles? and why is over saturation not a good thing. it makes things look more vibrant and colorful?
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The point is over saturation; ie: things look over saturated. However personally I have not found it to be a problem, and I typically notice these sorts of things being a photographer. But I have different devices for different scopes of work, and they don't all have to be equivalent. I don't have to have "the best" camera in my phone, my work monitor doesn't have to be perfectly calibrated (okay, so it is, I hate bad colours..)
And Pentile sucks. Everything looks dithered. I'm sure it's not exclusive to AMOLED but I can't imagine the purpose of it anywhere else? The main purpose, as I understand it, is to drive most of the luminance from the emitters which have longer life.

exactly. the point is that the colors on amoleds, especially reds and orange colors, are way too saturated. I hate the color reproduction on the nexus one.
And PenTiles are the WORST invention ever, the dithered look distracts the eyes, especially when reading a lot of text. The display is my main complaint woth the nexus one, other than that im completely happy. (ok the stock homescreens are laggy as hell even on android 2.2, but at least there are some replacement apps available).
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The point is over saturation; ie: things look over saturated. However personally I have not found it to be a problem, and I typically notice these sorts of things being a photographer. But I have different devices for different scopes of work, and they don't all have to be equivalent. I don't have to have "the best" camera in my phone, my work monitor doesn't have to be perfectly calibrated (okay, so it is, I hate bad colours..)
And Pentile sucks. Everything looks dithered. I'm sure it's not exclusive to AMOLED but I can't imagine the purpose of it anywhere else? The main purpose, as I understand it, is to drive most of the luminance from the emitters which have longer life.
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If the SLCD is way better under sunlight I hope GoOgLe will give us the choice to replace the screen,this with better battery life will be exellent

I love my n1 and I like the AMOLED when I use it in the dark but I'd seriously consider getting the LCD version if they upgrade the touch sensor.

ChronoReverse said:
I love my n1 and I like the AMOLED when I use it in the dark but I'd seriously consider getting the LCD version if they upgrade the touch sensor.
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Has anyone heard word on whether the touch sensor is getting updated as well?

Shahpur.Azizpour said:
exactly. the point is that the colors on amoleds, especially reds and orange colors, are way too saturated. I hate the color reproduction on the nexus one.
And PenTiles are the WORST invention ever, the dithered look distracts the eyes, especially when reading a lot of text. The display is my main complaint woth the nexus one, other than that im completely happy. (ok the stock homescreens are laggy as hell even on android 2.2, but at least there are some replacement apps available).
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Agree with the PenTile display! For some reason so few people realize just how ****ty it is. I remember commenting on Engadget saying how ****ty it looks compared to my Touch Pro 2 and people just called me a troll even though I owned both devices.
My honest first opinion of my Nexus One after turning it on is "Wow, this screen sucks!" But I kept it despite its ****ty screen and lack of keyboard because I love my 1GHz processor.

Yea I'm curious how this will affect existing users. Sounds like they are trying to use cheaper screens to deepen their pockets, but I'm all for it if the quality is better or on par of our existing screens.... especially if it fixes the multitouch bugs.

if someone got a replacement Nexus One with Super LCD, then could you please test multi touch with MultiTouch Vis Test? thanks

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Agree with the PenTile display! For some reason so few people realize just how ****ty it is. I remember commenting on Engadget saying how ****ty it looks compared to my Touch Pro 2 and people just called me a troll even though I owned both devices.
My honest first opinion of my Nexus One after turning it on is "Wow, this screen sucks!" But I kept it despite its ****ty screen and lack of keyboard because I love my 1GHz processor.
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Yeah, sadly there are many people which don't see this problem and therefore it seems like this cheap approach is paying off for the manufacturers. Even the Touch Diamond 2 had a far better WVGA Display (LCD).
I also had an motorola milestone (droid) testdevice and the screen on the milestone just kills the n1 screen. I can literally read the text on fully zoomed out webpages on the milestone, while on the n1 i can't see the text clearly at all.
The problem is: People who never witnessed a better WVGA screen will be happy as the AMOLED Pentile screens are at least better then old HVGA screens. But anybody who got to experience WVGA on an LCD without Pentile Matrix garbage will know that the difference ist huge.

So would HTC potentially replace existing n1's displays with the SLCD if they are under warranty.
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Lcd and digitizer are separate pieces of hardware, you won't be seeing it upgraded.

What is wrong with your guys that everything turns into a flame fest over something like a display???
Can't you read? The "marketing/promotional" release stated it is better. Therefore, it must be true

i would like to know how SLCD is more efficient battery power. did they mean more efficient over traditional LCD, or more efficient over AMOLED? i'm assuming over LCD.
i know the pentile problems and all, but i honestly still dont mind it. i've seen the EVO and droid and how crisp they look, but it just isnt a huge difference for me. i like the over saturate colors of amoled!

What do you think of the screen?

I've got a Desire and had it since launch but today I bought a Desire HD. I like the phone and I like the bigger screen but I can't help but feel a bit disappointed going from AMOLED to LCD.... the colours... the viewing angles.... even considering sending the phone back and staying with the Desire although the phone seems much faster, I can't help but look at the screen and feel disappointed....
What do you guys think?
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here is one good example desire vs desire hd screan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcEoKim7sCg

scott9824 said:
I've got a Desire and had it since launch but today I bought a Desire HD. I like the phone and I like the bigger screen but I can't help but feel a bit disappointed going from AMOLED to LCD.... the colours... the viewing angles.... even considering sending the phone back and staying with the Desire although the phone seems much faster, I can't help but look at the screen and feel disappointed....
What do you guys think?
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Scott
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I can't really understand what's the point in having 180 degrees viewing angle on a phone. Like I would like to look at the USB port when using my phone . All the time you are using it, you are looking directly at it. And the colors are pretty much a matter of opinion - I've seen the Galaxy S screen and it seems over saturated to me. Daylight visibility is very good also. The one thing that is a real advantage of AMOLED over LCD screens is the black. Other than that there is no real reason for HTC to put themselves in the same PR nightmare as they did with Samsung's inability/unwillingness to provide them with enough screens for the Desire. Yesterday I put an invisible shield on my wife's iPhone 4 and looking at the acclaimed Retina Display the first thought that went through my head was "OMG, it's so small" . I wouldn't give up the DHD anytime soon and definately not because of its screen.

I'm perfectly happy with the screen, it is amazing. I don't care about viewing angles, it is not like I look at it from a 45 degree angle.. It's always pretty much 90 degrees.

As with others here I'm perfectly happy with the screen. Also as pointed out the only real plus of an AMOLED based display is the black level which, honestly, isn't that big of a deal for me. Viewing angles is something that always puzzles me. Do people often try to use their phone from obtuse angles? The only time I can think of when I've done this is a quick glance at the screen but since only the power button wakes it up I don't think that will be an issue.

I think you're over-obsessing over something that in real use is a non-issue. I'd really like all these people who complain about viewing angles to give some valid reasons why they think it's such a problem.
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Im have no complaints what so ever with the screen. A week into the relationship with my DHD and we are still very much in the honeymoon phase.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

I was the same... going from a Desire to the HD I was so disappointed with the 'washed out' appearance of the screen (I don't care so much about viewing angles)
But you know what... after a few days I really didn't notice it and I still have the Desire (awaiting eBay selling) and when I look at it I think the screen is too saturated!!
I miss the black levels a bit but on the whole I am more than happy with the screen colours now.
They are after all on a par with my laptop and netbook screens and I never complain about them!

This is part of a full review I will be posting on here once I have had a bit more time with the phone, any feedback would be appreciated. I'd like to answer any questions people have in the final review.
The screen.... the screen.... Seeing as the size of it dominates the entirety of the phone, this was always going to be an issue for many people! Before the phone was released I was actively following the LCD vs S-LCD debate and owning a Nexus One, had been treated to the 'contrastific' wonder that is AMOLED.
I'll be honest and say I felt panicked when confronted with the fact this maybe a regular TFT and not an S-LCD screen. Not an AMOLED or a SAMOLED in this day and age how dare they??! Considering Samsungs reluctance to part with the SAMOLED and the much reported worldwide shortage of AMOLED screens this was of no surprise and highly understandable.
Now I actually have the phone in my hand, I curse my stupidity in regards to getting caught up in 'the forum debate' and losing track on reality. As technophiles we all feel a twinge of excitement when quoting the relevant technology our handsets contain to our friends and fellow forum dwellers. I'm not discounting the real world benefits of such technology, but sometimes we tend to trust more in the branding terms than the actual real world performance.
After owning an AMOLED Nexus I cannot deny that the contrast levels are unbeatable (Samsung Galaxy S aside). Watching movies on the screen was a joy, especially in dark scenes when the black levels came through in all their glory. Personally, I liked the colour saturation (or over-saturation) which gave the display an eye grabbing brilliance which even next to the iPhone 4's lauded Retina Display (nice branding for what is simply a high res IPS LCD) it managed to hold it's head high.
When switching on the Desire HD after coming from a Nexus, the feeling compares to taking off your shades after a long day in the sun. The colours are not quite the same, the brightness has shifted and you find yourself blinking rapidly as your eyes slowly adjust to what is a different experience. Now to say this is a sub par experience is completely unfounded. Yes some people will instantly wonder whether their phone is functioning correctly, or take a swift trip down to the Opticians questioning their vision. They will finally end up cursing the lack of AMOLED on Xda-Developers, stating washed out colours and poor viewing angles (those who look at there phone sideways all day).
All I can say in response is that while coming from an AMOLED to the Desire HD is like taking off your shades, there are always those who keep their shades on all day long, even in the dark .
As my eyes adjusted to the screen I started to understand what the term 'over-saturated' actually meant! I wanted to apologise to my Iris, Cornea and Retina all at one time. The colours aren't washed out, it's just my eyes were over washed with a false spectrum for so long. The main benefits for this are seen when browsing the web and looking at images, they look REAL. I actually feel as if i'm seeing something in front of me and not looking at a phone screen. The only sadness I feel is when watching videos, it just doesn't look as VIVID, not to say it doesn't look good, but I guess those juicy blacks will definitely be missed.
Another thing is slowly dawning on me, PenTile displays are horrendous. I was duly concerned that having the same resolution on a 35% larger screen would mean the subsequent pixellation would have me screaming for Cupertino's Retina Display to come and save me (sickening thought). Strangely enough it actually feels as though the resoultion is higher. I remembered reading about the Nexus One screen here and feeling it was unfair attack (BTW anyone on here that doesn't read ArsTechnica, bookmark it now). The premise was that the subpixel arrangement on AMOLED screens (Even the SGS has this) meant the effective resolution was less than the 480x800 claimed and more like 392x653, something I now accept to be correct. Comparing the screens side by side it becomes all the more apparent that the resolution cannot be the same, as some images appear sharper on the larger screen which doesn't make logical sense. It is safe to say that for once I agree with Apple and their decision to keep away from AMOLED when many fanboys were demanding it after the 3GS.
Finally, the superior colour depth of the screen has slowly come to the fore. I've read conflicting reports of Nexus creen having 16m vs 65k colours and of being 16bit (Link). I can refer back to one of my earlier statements about technical branding vs reality. Whatever the specs of the Nexus One/Desire screen it falls flat on colour depth compared to the Desire HD. Backgrounds which previously suffered from banding are now brilliant and even the XDA app startup splash, which had serious banding issues on the Nexus now displays colours which weren't even visible before.
Overall, once over the adjustment period, the DHD screen trumps that of the Nexus or Desire and is simply stunning. The size alone renders many of the arguments pointless. I hold my Nexus now and have the same feeling as when I first held the X10 Mini, I feel as though my phone could eat it for breakfast the cute little thing it is. Don't fear the negative comments on here, see it for yourself and if you don't like it, you don't like it.
I certainly do.
Regards.
Some final thoughts....
Did somebody say fully multitouch??
TFT LCD vs S-LCD?? Just in case this is a TFT
HD2 (TFT LCD) Review Endgadget - In terms of colour and contrast, the HD2's screen is a champion. Images and video looked saturated but not drenched, and blacks seemed superbly deep to us.
HD2 (TFT LCD) Review Gizmodo - The 4.3-inch glass display is pure bliss
Comparison Image, Sorry for the poor quality!

very nice analysis of the screens lynx! Im looking forward to your full review! btw i really love the setup you have on your phone in that pic. Stock android looking with HTC's nice clock widget..

Thanks, it's Launcher Pro set up like the stock launcher with the original Fancy Widget. Add the 'Faux Sense' widgets and animations then you're good to go. Regarding the comparison picture, it may seem like the Nexus has more colour but it is simply the unnatural colours that make it seem that way. The DHD image is so real you feel you could pick up a pebble!

tkolev said:
I can't really understand what's the point in having 180 degrees viewing angle on a phone. Like I would like to look at the USB port when using my phone . All the time you are using it, you are looking directly at it.
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I totally agree.
All these comparisons about viewing angles, Touch response when doing swipes in slow-motion is so damn silly.
Way in the world would you like to be able to look at it from an extreme angles anyway?
Use the phone! I say it again: USE the phone!
If you like it keep it, otherwise sell it.
I get the impression that many people here are buying a phone just to impress their neighbour with the best spec-sheet. And then they get "sad like children loosing their favourite toy" when they can't. So damn silly!