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Nexus one display not as advertised?

Secrets of the Nexus One's screen: science, color, and hacks
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/03/secrets-of-the-nexus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars/
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Thoughts
*puts on flame suit*
either way i still love my NX-1

i will say this... every droid user has envy of my N1's screen.... ive yet to find someone who liked their droid screen better and i agree with every single one of them
by the way, this was posted in another thread already

I don't know.
My Nexus one screen looks pretty darned sharp to me.

true. delete this thread pls.

resinous said:
Secrets of the Nexus One's screen: science, color, and hacks
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/03/secrets-of-the-nexus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars/
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Thoughts
*puts on flame suit*
either way i still love my NX-1
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It's a moronic comparison of two entirely different technologies.

Google isn't paying anything to the big techno blogs sites so what do you expect?
I've seen articles ranging from explaining how Google steals all your dataz and kills your dog to how google is bribing carriers and phone manufacturers to adapt android. The only thing you should do is to utilize your own judgement and get used to tech sites being like this. This isn't going to change anytime soon.

As I understand it the phone has the pixels it says it does it just doesn't utilize them properly, it also doesn't utilize RAM properly, I think it could also utilize the 5mp camera and 1ghz processor better.
The point is that the phone seems like it was rushed to the market and I believe a lot of the problems can be addressed with software updates. I just hope Google finishes whatever is taking all of their time so that the issues can be addressed. But I do think that so many of the issues can be resolved and this phone can truly become a "superphone". The nexus is taking a lot of well deserved criticism lately but Android has the ability to respond and improve the nexus/android experience without hardware overhaul, and I believe that's very shiny silver lining...

There's always some problem with every device. The only problem with nexus one is that it has no major issues, just minor ones which are being highlighted by iPhone lovers. AMOLED is a new technology, so things are different.

so he created some stippled greyscale pictures that produce artifacts because of the way the pixels are arranged on the N1 screen.
so what? like who looks at stippled greyscale pictures using their N1 anyway?
I also took a picture of some of the status bar icons using a digital camera in macro mode and my screen does not look like his picture of the 3g icon at all.
Its all about how the eye perceives images, forget that pseudo science. The AMOLED screen on the N1 is the best screen I have seen on any phone, black levels are incredible and contrast is good.
text is readable at a smaller font size than other phones.
If the N1s screen does have faults in the implementation of AMOLED then we can expect even better screens in the future using that technology, but as of today it is the best IMHO

Ha!
"You think your Nexus has a beautiful sharp display? It really doesn't. let me tell you why..."
classic

Beautiful display I could care less how the 480x800 res comes about. Everything looks amazing

scote said:
so he created some stippled greyscale pictures that produce artifacts because of the way the pixels are arranged on the N1 screen.
so what? like who looks at stippled greyscale pictures using their N1 anyway?
I also took a picture of some of the status bar icons using a digital camera in macro mode and my screen does not look like his picture of the 3g icon at all.
Its all about how the eye perceives images, forget that pseudo science. The AMOLED screen on the N1 is the best screen I have seen on any phone, black levels are incredible and contrast is good.
text is readable at a smaller font size than other phones.
If the N1s screen does have faults in the implementation of AMOLED then we can expect even better screens in the future using that technology, but as of today it is the best IMHO
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Can you post up the picture?

And still the UI isn't taking advantage of even that resolution, since the UI is only running at 320x533.

Matt-Helm said:
Ha!
"You think your Nexus has a beautiful sharp display? It really doesn't. let me tell you why..."
classic
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To be fair, many of us do recognize the fuzziness of the text and the article explains why that is happening. Perhaps a better statement (whether or not the tone of the article supports it) would have been "Your N1 has a beautiful sharp display that wows people, but the text seems a little fuzzier than you would expect for such a nice screen. Why the difference?"
I think the text can look a lot better with the right tweaks to the text rendering code, but either they tried and didn't get it right or they simply haven't created AMOLED-specific text rendering routines yet.

I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing this fuzzines of which ye speak.

I don't see the fuzzyness either.... and I got the best vision a human has... I read the bottom smallest lines at the eye doctor....
But whatever
Edit... after closely looking at it I see on the right of words a little fuzzy look, all I got to say is.... Bwahahahaha lame, I don't give a ****... nexus one is beautiful Lmaooo picky people...

Haters gonna hate.

This is so funny. I work in a design oriented field. While I do not plan on designing on the phone (probably would if the right apps come out!), I do use it to show and review design work. This phone does everything I need it to do. If it's good enough for me and my clients I'm guessing it is good enough for most. Hate on.

Evo's Lack of color depth next to Nexus becoming a dealbreaker

I figure the connection issues will strengthen with updates...but Man these washed out colors are a bummer... bigger for me than capped graphics capacity

rockky said:
I figure the connection issues will strengthen with updates...but Man these washed out colors are a bummer... bigger for me than capped graphics capacity
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Any phone without AMOLED is going to look like that. We're spoiled by the vibrancy of AMOLED, but the switch back to LCD for me is fine. AMOLED has burn in issues, big time.

I agree. The color depth is going to be a deal breaker for me. Photographs just look so unnatural to me on the screen. I noticed it before I knew the phone had a 16bit screen. I thought it was some kind of server side compression degrading the photographs before they made it to the browser. (I have very little experience with android.) I take photography pretty seriously though and most people are probably lucky enough to not notice it.

k2snowboards88 said:
I agree. The color depth is going to be a deal breaker for me. Photographs just look so unnatural to me on the screen. I noticed it before I knew the phone had a 16bit screen. I thought it was some kind of server side compression degrading the photographs before they made it to the browser. (I have very little experience with android.) I take photography pretty seriously though and most people are probably lucky enough to not notice it.
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Im also a serious photographer. However, when you actually see the screen in person instead of in other pictures they look fine. Remember, the Nexus also has a 16 bit screen, it just looks more vibrant because it's AMOLED.

Geniusdog254 said:
Im also a serious photographer. However, when you actually see the screen in person instead of in other pictures they look fine. Remember, the Nexus also has a 16 bit screen, it just looks more vibrant because it's AMOLED.
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I did notice the 16 bit color in person without knowing that it had a 16 bit screen. I've never seen the nexus 1 so I can't compare it to that. Its definitely not the lack of saturation that bothers me. Its that chintzy quality that a 16 bit screen gives photographs that bothers me, unfortunately.

k2snowboards88 said:
I agree. The color depth is going to be a deal breaker for me. Photographs just look so unnatural to me on the screen. I noticed it before I knew the phone had a 16bit screen. I thought it was some kind of server side compression degrading the photographs before they made it to the browser. (I have very little experience with android.) I take photography pretty seriously though and most people are probably lucky enough to not notice it.
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Yeah I noticed it too in the specs & in use but not sure it's a deal breaker yet for me until I see it compared to the upcoming Samsung Android 24bitphones & iPhone4..

k2snowboards88 said:
I did notice the 16 bit color in person without knowing that it had a 16 bit screen. I've never seen the nexus 1 so I can't compare it to that. Its definitely not the lack of saturation that bothers me. Its that chintzy quality that a 16 bit screen gives photographs that bothers me, unfortunately.
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Ahh thats understandable I guess. To each his own.
I don't need my phone to show off my collection or view pictures. I have a Zune HD I use for media & have loaded up with music & my photo collections. OLED and good color depth, so it fits my needs.

Geniusdog254 said:
Ahh thats understandable I guess. To each his own.
I don't need my phone to show off my collection or view pictures. I have a Zune HD I use for media & have loaded up with music & my photo collections. OLED and good color depth, so it fits my needs.
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Fair enough. I wouldn't have posted in this thread if I knew that the nexus one also had a 16 bit screen. I just took the OP's word for the nexus having a high color depth.
for myself, one of my favorite things to do when I'm bored is just browse flickr for inspiration and fun. The 16 bit screen would but a big damper on that pastime.

I don't really note the lack of colors(I am not color blind), I just love how the colors that are there are extremely vibrant.

yeah....guess I shouldda had this view comin in
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Any phone without AMOLED is going to look like that. We're spoiled by the vibrancy of AMOLED, but the switch back to LCD for me is fine. AMOLED has burn in issues, big time.
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I wouldnt get the iphone again....but.... the upcoming screen quality should be extraordinary.
Hey the screen is our interface...its important to me.

rockky said:
I figure the connection issues will strengthen with updates...but Man these washed out colors are a bummer... bigger for me than capped graphics capacity
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after 2 weeks of getting rid of your nexus one you wont notice and the display will look real nice...AND you can see the damn screen in the sun..i hated that so much about my nexus, and the multitouch sensor

There's way too much blue in the screen also - too much blue can give a pink tint also bc it kills the green.
It makes me wonder why you can't adjust color on these $500 (retail) phone yet on a 200 netbook I can.
At first I thought plugged shadow and washed put highlights were bc of contrast. I didn't guess I should have done more homework.

I don't know. I think the screen looks great, and I came from a Nexus One. A friend of mine said the screen looks fake it's so crisp. I like my screen.

Looks amazing to me. Of course AMOLED is going to be better. It's higher quality. The EVO screen is just fine though. A huge step up from my Hero or any of my other devices (sans zune hd)

that's the problem with people like us. i work in printing and color correcting photos all day you just end up noticing things most people don't. we fuss for hours over wheter or not a customer would see if there's too much (name a color here) or not.
it's tough looking at magazines and critiquing the printing instead of the content sometimes, lol.

the color are worst then my Hero.

apollooff320 said:
the color are worst then my Hero.
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You've gotta be kidding me. Either something must be wrong with your EVO or you must have had an amazing Hero because the EVO beats my Hero in screen clarity and color hands down. I gave the Hero to my mother and even looking at it right now, there's just no competition.

sfox8 said:
You've gotta be kidding me. Either something must be wrong with your EVO or you must have had an amazing Hero because the EVO beats my Hero in screen clarity and color hands down. I gave the Hero to my mother and even looking at it right now, there's just no competition.
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I agree, and how you could not love that huge screen. AMOLED is a deal breaker for the majority of the population because it is impossible to see in sunlight, i've seen it myself and it is total garbage. The EVO screen is ridiculously beautiful in my eyes, but maybe that's because i will be upgrading from a blackberry pearl :x. Obviously the colors aren't as vivid as a nexus, but there is sometimes a over-saturation of colors.

apollooff320 said:
the color are worst then my Hero.
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I feel you man, my old Motorola razor screen blows this away!!
Sent from my EVO via Tapatalk

This is really the screen that has everyone so impressed?

I’m not trying to upset anyone here but I have to be honest about my first thoughts on the Galaxy screen. Tonight I stopped by a T-Mobile store and with my iPhone 4G and HTC Evo, I tried out the T-Mobile Vibrant. I had all 3 phones on, side by side and I really was not too impressed with the SGS screen due mostly to that awful screen door matrix.
When I held the SGS about 6 inches away from my eyes, I could clearly see the pixel grid (or whatever it’s called) and was just put off by it. I can honestly say that I feel the best looking screen is the iPhone’s without a doubt and the Evo comes in 2nd. The iPhone’s small screen is a pretty big problem for me but now I’m just not sure which device to stick with.
Am I really the only one who can see the matrix and is bothered by this??? I really wanted to just fall hard for this phone on first contact and I could have. It just drives me crazy that all 3 phones have really nice features and I’d gladly pay double if not triple to have the best of all 3 devices in one device………

You're right, the pixels do annoy me a little, only coz I'm a perfectionist...
The colours are beautiful though; and in normal use I never notice the pixels...

ZacJ said:
You're right, the pixels do annoy me a little, only coz I'm a perfectionist...
The colours are beautiful though; and in normal use I never notice the pixels...
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So I'm assuming you just got used to after a while? I was looking at the notification bar and the battery and other icons seemed to look kind of low res to me. I guess this is what people are talking about when they say it has larger pixels.

AshMa said:
Am I really the only one who can see the matrix and is bothered by this???
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Not trying to be annoying, but you only see the pixels, because steve told you so.
I saw the pixels too, because steve told me to look at them, would have never looked if iphone 4's dpi wasn't so hyped.
I think the screen is very much amazing with full brightness, hope you checked that the one in the store was set to 100% brightness too and not just focus on the pixels.
Next time try to do something real with the phone, like watch youtube HD and then do the comparison to iPhone and you will be all happy again.
Good luck

buddy01 said:
Not trying to be annoying, but you only see the pixels, because steve told you so.
I saw the pixels too, because steve told me to look at them, would have never looked if iphone 4's dpi wasn't so hyped.
I think the screen is very much amazing with full brightness, hope you checked that the one in the store was set to 100% brightness too and not just focus on the pixels.
Next time try to do something real with the phone, like watch youtube HD and then do the comparison to iPhone and you will be all happy again.
Good luck
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I see what you're saying but I guess I'm not really talking about the pixels but rather the type of screen used that gives that screen door look. Remember, I stated that I still have no issues with the Evo screen which I think looks much better in person than it does in photos online compared to the SGS screen.

On the other hand, if you habitually hold your phone at 6" from your face, you should probably consult an optometrist
In practice, the pixels are indistinguishable from those of the EVO, or of the iPhone 3Gs. But, the overall experience is noticeably richer with the Super AMOLED, IMO.
The screen is the biggest thing this phone has going for it, and why I've decided to stick with it.

I don't think you were seeing the sub pixel's pentile pattern. Sub pixels on any device are way too small to see; a camera macro is needed to see them, and you need to press your lense against the screen itself.

The thing is, it had the same leaf and water live wallpaper that my Evo has and yet I could see that grid on it and not the Evo. 6 inches btw' was just to get closer because I thought I started to notice something.

I own the SGS and ive used a Iphone4 a few times, even though the res did look a little sharper, side by side you would have to be really picky to care, the colour of the SGS is much more noticable than the slight res difference.
The iphone4 just looked bland to me.
I have a iphone 3g for work as well, not as fast as the 3gs, but after owning the SGS for nearly 2 weeks i hate having to use the iphone.

I'm used to the pentile matrix since it was also on my Nexus One.
It definitely can give a rough looking edge on some elements but not enough to make me consider ditching the phone even for a moment.
I certainly cannot see the pentile matrix in photos and videos nor in games.
If pentile goes with denser pixels (say 1280x720) I don't think you'd notice it at all on a 4" screen, but it brings the benefits of increased battery life (though this may be marginal?)
Anyway, it can be seen but it really doesn't bother me personally.

miker71 said:
I'm used to the pentile matrix since it was also on my Nexus One.
It definitely can give a rough looking edge on some elements but not enough to make me consider ditching the phone even for a moment.
I certainly cannot see the pentile matrix in photos and videos nor in games.
If pentile goes with denser pixels (say 1280x720) I don't think you'd notice it at all on a 4" screen, but it brings the benefits of increased battery life (though this may be marginal?)
Anyway, it can be seen but it really doesn't bother me personally.
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So you're saying that after sometime, one could get used to the screen and no longer notice the matrix? Unless of course Morpheus comes knocking to wake us up.

Now everyone see the pixel.. because Steve said to watch it!

The screen is probably a net downside to the phone for me - high contrast ratio is great, but I'd sooner give that up than compromise on true resolution and sharpness from the PenTile matrix. It seems I'm in a minority with that opinion!
Unfortunately there's no real choice unless I want to start compromising on the rest of the hardware instead. The iPhone does send to set trends, for better or worse, and I do hope the iPhone 4 starts one for higher DPI phones. Going from QVGA to VGA was immediately a massive improvement.

A little real life perspective here would be nice. 4" screen with 480x800 pixel resolution is one of the highest out there already.

I tend to use my phone from about 18" away, so I care what the screen looks like, not the individual pixels. Plus my Sammy can update those pixels 3x faster than the Evo.

TravUK said:
I tend to use my phone from about 18" away, so I care what the screen looks like, not the individual pixels. Plus my Sammy can update those pixels 3x faster than the Evo.
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Exactly. The monstrous hardware behind the SGS is the real deal here. Even if this "pixelated screen" is a big deal for some people (definitely not my case...), the fluidity, contrast ratio, brightness and colors make more then up for it.

Six inches from your face??! Dude i cant even focus that close. The screen is awesome end of discussion.
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When putting it very close to my face, yes, i can see the PenTile matrix.
But that's complete nonsense- it's visible only if you search for it and the screen is more than sharp enough for reading even small sized text in the browser.
On the other hand, i enjoy the true blacks and amazing colors the screen gives.
The iPhone 4 just can't compare, and while watching videos/playing games/taking or viewing pictures etc. that is a much more important factor.
I won't ever give away better color for some more PPI.

I really like hi-res panels (so much that I bought in 2003 a dell laptop with a 15.4 1920x1200 screen!), but I can assure you that the i9000 res will not be a problem. Of course I would have loved a higher RES - (and 2ghz and and and) but I think that the res is fine for reasonable distance viewing.
I think the real benefit of the screen are the colors, the contrast and the size. After some point the resolution is already good enough that you start focusing on other parameters as well.

dakine said:
Six inches from your face??! Dude i cant even focus that close. The screen is awesome end of discussion.
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this. and the far superior cpu/gpu/contrast/color power
go get steve out of your head

Different looking colors on 2 Incredibles?

I've got two incredibles side by side. Both are apparently listed as 'samsung_oled_display' with dmesg.
Right one has a purple tint that is more obvious on low brightness. But colors pop more, more contrast, saturation. On high brightness, whites and blacks look more right.
Left is slightly brighter on equal settings. Has a slight yellowy tint that's more noticeable on high brightness. But nowhere near as obvious as the purple tint.
Any thoughts? What looks more like the typical Incredible display people get?

it looks like maybe some of your LED backlights aren't as bright, or out completely. notice the shadow on the edges of the two sides? i don't notice a difference other than in one of the pictures, though. maybe do a better job taking pictures that aren't as shaky/blurry?

Best I could do, the incredible is my best camera and couldn't use it.
And which picture and which phone are you referring to?
I'm more just wondering why there's such a difference, and which one looks most accurate to what everyone else has?

3rd picture is the one i noticed it on. however, i wouldn't say....with the pictures i have in front of me....that either are too far off from what "everyone else has".
if you're that concerned about it, call VZW.

I had the same problem with a replacement, had to get a new refurb that didn't have a pink screen. Customer service is not aware of the issue, you might have to take it to a store and even the techs might not see it.
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I did, this is my replacement ha... I'm not going to ask for a third, I'm just deciding which one is more like the rest.
And you don't think either are too far from what others have? Between the two there's a decent variation, Samsung amoled manufacturing just vary that much?

Only the first picture can I see a noticeable difference

I'm aware of people reporting a pinkish tint, but I didn't think its the same, since this comes off as purple to me.
And yea the first picture is the most obvious, but if you just look at the color difference in white,gray,black for the other 3 pictures, you can tell they're different tones/shades.
Honestly the left one is 'warmer' in tone and the right one is 'cooler'. Though right has better contrast and is overly saturated.
I think I'll probably keep the left one even though the right one is hands down amazing looking in full brightness, but looks all purplish in low, which is basically the setting I'll be using the phone most in.

Amoleds don't have background leds, the pixels emt the light themselves, as fat as I know
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patches152 said:
it looks like maybe some of your LED backlights aren't as bright, or out completely. notice the shadow on the edges of the two sides? i don't notice a difference other than in one of the pictures, though. maybe do a better job taking pictures that aren't as shaky/blurry?
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OLED doesnt use backlighting

Just pick the one that is easiest on your eyes. Yes colours will vary differently by batch (not usually by this much but really I can't tell a lot by these pictures). Personally to me overall one doesn't appear as bright as the other, so if they are using the same profiles, I'd take the bright one (but that's just me).

I think you are making a mountain out of mole hill. They both look ok, yes different but acceptable. It's a phone, you are not going to be doing Photoshop or high end video processing. If it bugs you, by all means take it back and ask for an exchange.

Oh I did, that's why I have two
And no I'm not, I can easily ask for a third. But like I said I won't.
I just thought I can get some expert opinions from others, -and- start a discussion.
There was a thread regarding evo's @ i6.photobucket. com/albums/y204/blu3g/002and003.jpg
that got some discussion.

gedster314 said:
I think you are making a mountain out of mole hill. They both look ok, yes different but acceptable. It's a phone, you are not going to be doing Photoshop or high end video processing. If it bugs you, by all means take it back and ask for an exchange.
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They get dimmer over time, so yes the brighter one if in newer condition.
I'd prefer S-LCD to AMOLED anyday just for the fact that I dont have to worry about the screen dimming over time or burning in.

My girlfriends is like that. We both got our phones at the same time last June, same screens. She lost hers, and while her new one is AMOLED it's pinkish. It's only REALLY noticeable when the screen dims.

.... Seriously? You're complaining about a tint... A TINT!!!! the phone still works the same right? my replacement has the purplish tint too but who cares nobodies going to look at and say oh man your phone has a purplish tint what a fag lol

He was just asking a question because like most people on this forum, we are intrigued by how tech works, and we like to ask why do gadgets so the things they do, he wasn't complaining. Everybody who is saying that he needs to stop complaining needs to calm down, this isn't 4 chan. If you don't know why the screens are different colors, then there's no point in you commenting on this thread, especially if its to talk down to somebody under false accusations like some of you are.
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i jsut got a replacement in the mail a week ago and i saw the same differences between my old one and new one. And i've heard of this happening to other people. Here is a thread all about this. I havent taken the time to read it but im sure it has the answer http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656128
P.S. Garrett, you sound like a real douche

I've seen similar in my phone. I had to turn it in for a replacement and the first thing I noticed when I booted the new phone up was "hey, that white looks more pink than the original phone." Just to make sure I wasn't insane, I showed my wife the new phone and she immediately pops out "hey, that looks pink."
It's not bad enough that it's really a problem, just a little different, and the difference only really pops out at low brightness. I'm not going to re-return over it. At least this one doesn't have the spazzed out and possessed optical joystick that my first Inc did.

SAMOLED+ Pixel Response Time and Touch Screen Discussion & My Review of These Parts.

SAMOLED+ Pixel Response Time and Touch Screen Discussion & My Review of These Parts.
Hey all, I wanted to start a thread to have a discussion about these two things that are my only disappointments in this phone.
Let me start by saying I think this phone is awesome, and yes I feel there are a few other faults on the phone (lockscreen delay when running off the battery due to the CPU taking a second to kick in, weak GPS/wifi signal sometimes, heavy banding on gradients etc) But those are software issues and I know in the near future Samsung/Devs will sort this out.
But I had some big complaints that aren't (still I hope not) software issues. Firstly;
- Response Time.
By this I mean when you buy a new monitor and the response time is listed as 4ms or whatever. This is the time the pixel takes to make a full change. A slow response time will cause ghosting. And that's exactly a issue that the Samsung Galaxy SII faces. Ghosting.
I've gone through 4 replacement SII's for various reasons, and on all of them they ghosted. So it's not just my phone. Samsung bizarrely states the response time is 0.001ms which would be there would be no ghosting at all. However there is, quite a bit actually, by my testing the screen is actually around 6-8ms.
I want to see if anyone else notices it. I know there's been a couple of threads on this but I want to see if the majority of people notice this. Here's how to test, go onto white page with black text on, and then scroll down the page at a moderate pace, not to fast not too slow, try it at different speeds as well just in case you don't get it right.
The easiest way I find to do this is use the inbuilt stock news app, load up any story and it'll give you a long white page with black text you can scroll through. As you may notice if you got a decent set of eyes on you, the text will leave a trail. Also known as ghosting. To me, I find this absolutely unacceptable on such high end device.
- Colour
Also, as it's been widely reported and has been noticeable on all my GSII's, the colour temperature is very 'cool', nowhere near the perfect 6500k. As a result, white's look very blue. This is fine and you hardly notice it on it's own, however when I'm using the device at my PC, which I use on a 32" IPS panel TV I professionally calibrated, the whites on the GSII look more blue than the ocean! Technically this is a software problem and can easily be sorted when custom roms come along but jeez, this is some bad stock colour calibration.
Also when you tilt the display, the viewing angles are generally very good, however tilting the display by pretty much any angle adds an extra blue tint to the screen on an already blueish screen.
I'm an absolutely screen quality perfectionist so these points really get to me. Especially considering this is such a high end device.
Overall I'd give the display a 6.5/10.
After the colour temperature has been sorted, I'll give it a 7.5/10.
If the ghosting can get minimized somehow even slightly through software on top of that, I'd give it an 8.5/10.
Secondly;
- Touch Screen
Now we all know about the movement deadzone/threshold on the touch screen which is massively annoying, but hopefully that'll get fixed in the near future. But What I'm going to complain about is the low sensitivity of the touch screen is the best way I can describe it.
On my HTC Desire, I can tap the screen ridiculously lightly and quick, and the device will register the input, absolutely no questions asked. Absolutely brilliant.
However on the GSII the sensitivity seems to be a lot lower, I can tap the screen lightly and quickly and the screen won't register the touch at all. This is pretty damn annoying as sometimes I just tap the screen lightly normally and I have to retap things. Not very often but still. I wish the device was as sensitive as the HTC Desire.
In it's current state I'd give the touch screen an 8/10.
If the movement deadzone and sensitivity got fixed, it'd be a 10/10.
Now I'm sure I had more to write about but I've forgotten now. I'll edit it into the post if I can think of the other things.
Now as I said, I think the GSII is a smashing phone, sure there are a lot of niggles at the minute, but I know they'll get sorted soon. Just the points I've outlined in this thread are things I'm scared won't get sorted. But you never know, I'm really hoping they can get sorted/do get sorted.
As I said I've had 4 Galaxy S2's all had the above issues, and I've used 2 other S2's from friends who also have these issues, so it's widespread, I'm just curious if people actually notice it.
I've added a poll to the thread regarding these issues. Please don't lie to yourself about this stuff, if you notice it, please answer honestly

I honestly hadnt noticed any of this stuff, i even watched a video of the deadzone and couldnt replicate it myself. I also think the touch response is fine you must have a very light finger/thumb!
The ghosting i hadnt noticed probly because i dont read text as im scrolling i tend to go a page at a time and the fact that im too taken back with the smoothness that pages do scroll.
The blue tint you guessed it i hadnt noticed but then again its not often i hold my phone up to specially tuned monitors.. Then again maybe theres a reason for it maybe it helps reduce glare in sunlight, then again maybe im talking aload of ****e!
no offence but you sound like you could moan for england! chill out and focus on the things it does do well and you may notice the negatives less

Personally....I think your nuts. This is the best screen ever on a phone. I have none of those issues, the touch screen perfectly responsive, my whites are white as white can be. You keep getting your phone from the same supplier and that leads me to be what the problem is. mine is perfect in every way. lucky me I guess

rojdag said:
I honestly hadnt noticed any of this stuff, i even watched a video of the deadzone and couldnt replicate it myself. I also think the touch response is fine you must have a very light finger/thumb!
The ghosting i hadnt noticed probly because i dont read text as im scrolling i tend to go a page at a time and the fact that im too taken back with the smoothness that pages do scroll.
The blue tint you guessed it i hadnt noticed but then again its not often i hold my phone up to specially tuned monitors.. Then again maybe theres a reason for it maybe it helps reduce glare in sunlight, then again maybe im talking aload of ****e!
no offence but you sound like you could moan for england! chill out and focus on the things it does do well and you may notice the negatives less
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Haha I could moan for england ;P
Nah it's just I'm very picky when it comes to screens. And I definitely expect the best on such a high end device, unfortunately the SGSII falls abit short on this.
It's still a great device. Really wish I didn't notice this sort of stuff haha.
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Personally....I think your nuts. This is the best screen ever on a phone. I have none of those issues, the touch screen perfectly responsive, my whites are white as white can be. You keep getting your phone from the same supplier and that leads me to be what the problem is. mine is perfect in every way. lucky me I guess
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Best screen on a phone possibly. It's not the best screen ever though, it's good don't get me wrong, but not the best.
And I assure you, your device has everything that I outlined in my original post, it's just down to the user if they notice it or not. When I used my friends Galaxy SII's (who both got it from different places to me and each other) I asked them about this stuff and they had no idea what I was on about, so I thought my phone was faulty and I had a look at their GSII's and theirs have the same problems aswell, they just don't notice them. (They did after I pointed it out though muwhahah)

I must not have a sgs2. Maybe its because mine is from first batch but I have none of your listed issues. After 4 devices, it cant be samsungs fault.

Heh, guys every SGSII have these issues, I'm not arguing that, was merely checking to see how many people notice these issues (not many in the grand scheme of things apparently) there's quite a lot of reports of these problems so it's just down to the user
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I guess I have horrible standards. No shadowning on my phone.

The ghosting and blue-ish colortemperature I noticed right from the start. But to be honest: I really dont care. At least the ghosting is nothing which stands out of the crowd... all of them have it ... HTC, LG, Apple. The only reason you don't notice it as much, is the lower contrast on the other displays.
As for the sensitivity: It's a little lower than with my htc hd2, BUT I'm actually glad it is. The sensitivity on the HTC phones is ridiculously high. You don't even have to touch the screen and you end up clicking something, which can be quite annoying sometimes. On the SGS2 I never had any missclicks, nor did I have any non-responsivenesses. Perfect setup for my taste.

I think all of the average joe out there probably doesn't care about all this minor issues. You must have the intention to find the fault of the phone in order to get what you want to find but do you think most of us would be doing this? Haha.. Tbh I don't really care as long as the phone does what I want without falling apart. lol..

Yeah I was a bit surprised by the ghosting, having seen the response time claims, but neither that nor the colour temp (on 'movie') have really bothered me so far.
What has irked me a bit is the image sharpness. On a site like m.engadget.com the coloured text on white background has a dark outline all around it, which to me looks horrible. Anyone else noticed that?

I think the ghosting issue is due to the low fresh rate of the touch screen.It's lower than 60HZ.
When you scroll the screen,the animation is not smooth enough,so you see the ghosting.
It's more of a visual persistence issue.
I remember when some choppy animation showed in CRT,I can see ghosting.
Never the less,when your finger leave the touch screen,let it scrolling itself,you can see the "ghosting" would be less noticible.
But you can still see it,that's because of 60HZ refresh rate of the Display.
I just wondering if there is any way to change the fresh rate of the touch screen.

What are you doing that's causing ghosting issues? There is a definite color temp issue but that's how every amoled screen has been so far. I would take a little bit of blue tint over the black color performance

The thing that causes the ghosting, as I said in my original post, it fast movement. The screens pixels can't change fast enough so things leave a trail.
As I said the best way so see this is to loadup a long page with a white background and black text and then scroll down at a moderate pace, fast but not so fast you eyes your eyes canty follow the line of text. If toy do it right and you've got a decent set of eyes you'll see that the text leaves a trail.
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hi,
You are not the only *nut* i noticed that on my device the grey sux big time,... specially on rgb 100 100 100 have a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084543
My white is ok, but the grey goes magenta,
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if u go to 160 dpa u will see the effect better on greys and gradients which involves grays!

nongrata23 said:
hi,
You are not the only *nut* i noticed that on my device they grey sux big time,... specially on rgb 100 100 100 have a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084543
My white is ok, but the grey goes magenta,
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if u go to 160 dpa u will see the effect better on greys and gradients which involves grays!
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Yep, there's a lot disappointments with the screen on this phone. However as the poll is so far proving, majority of people don't care for quality as much as us. Only a few others care/notice about the things we're complaining about.

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no offence but you sound like you could moan for england! chill out and focus on the things it does do well and you may notice the negatives less
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Thanks .. Thats the funniest **** i have read all day...
Theres nothing wrong with my sgs2 and ive owned Hero's Desire's Nexus One's and even an LG2X.. This phone is superb.. This dude does sound a bit anal..

Hey. I can definately notice ghosting on this screen if i purposely try to but as others have said, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. When watching films or playing games it's non-existant.
As for the whites, you yourself stated you can't really notice until you hold the device against your professionally calibrated screen. How are the blacks in comparison? Out of interest, how much was that screen/calibration.
I think the main problem with alot of peoples gripes is focusing on only the weaker aspects of the phone rather than the device as a whole. People want perfection which unfortunately doesn't exist in the world of electrical consumer tech.

now i see this horrible grey everywhere i cannot even look at my phone any more!
I hope that this issue would be enough to change my device!

Hey drm111, as you know I have those problems too.
Did you have them on all your 4phones?
1) As you know I have this topic in wich one screen had this blue ish coat on the screen, noticable from the angles you talk abouth. But the other one does not have it.
So maybe not everyone has that blue coating? Did you investigated that further?
2) As you also know there is this yellowish/darker 1/3 of the left screen, probably some don't notice it. You have to be in a dark room or in a light one really looking for it. You read abouth this huh?
But I you didn't post it here. Aren't you having this problem? And did you have it on al of your 4 phones?
3) Ghosting, yes i notice it to. No sharp text when scrolling,is that the ghosting too?
I have this first generation ipod touch, text stays sharp when scrolling. Should be the case here too.
4) Than you have the grey tints, wich turn pink. You can see it in the topic of nongrata23. But some phone don't have it it seems. Software or hardware?
We need to figure out what is 'normal' and what isn't. As I don't want to send my phone back if it is normal at this point for all the gs2 that are on the market.

Let me start by saying i used to work for a PC magazine and was among those who blew the whistle on the nVidia texture replacement fiasco surrounding the Geforce 5800. I can see a single texture out of place in a high FPS game, so my eye is VERY keen.
The colour of the SGS2 is slightly blue yes, but mine is no worse than the average LCD, including the Retina display.
Response time is seemingly slower than the previous AMOLED screens ive seen, but again is more than a match for the LCDs out there.
I would say samsung have made a trade off between the sub pixel density and other factors. It works for me just fine.
The 16bit thing is interesting. It looks to me like the screen isnt 16bit, but it is using 16bit at times. Thats a driver issue.