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AT&T fixing HSUPA but capping N1 users?

Well supposedly AT&T is rolling out a software fix to fix upload speeds.
Funny thing is... for a few days my upload speed was fixed.
Now all of a sudden I can't break 200kbit up again.
But iPhone4 users around me can hit 1.4Mbit up all day long.
For those of you that can not hit HSUPA speeds, I wonder if you have iPhone4 friends you can check with.
If AT&T is indeed disabling HSUPA by device or IMEI, then I want to know about it.
It seems they gimped the Captivate so it couldn't do HSUPA (read the forum) so why not screw the Nexus One users too.
I know some of you will post that your HSUPA speeds are great, but you are people that are probably not served by Lucent equipment.
If you did have upload issues, and they are now fixed, I'de like to hear about that too, maybe AT&T is doing something else funky on a per market basis where it's prioritizing crying iPhone users where it doesn't have enough HSUPA capacity or something.
EDIT: My location is Salt Lake City
-James

i suggest you also post your location as well so it ads the detail necessary to make a conclusion. of course my speeds are fine here in socal with a nexus one. no cap or upload limitation or anything yet.

Location is Salt Lake City

I test all the time with a friend of mine, we generally have the same results.
louisiana, att 3g.

Yesterday here at work in Central KY I was seeing 2/.2 mbit in Speedtest, today I'm getting 2.2/1mbit.
What's odd is 2-3 days ago, I was seeing the typical HSUPA speed but yesterday was horribly slow. Only reason I really noticed was because I was messing with wifi sharing and seeing how fast it was. Heh, just did wifi sharing, 3.7/1.2.
I've done it several times, uplink still seems weird.. One time it'll hover around .5mbit, then jump up to 1.2 for a few seconds, then back to .5. Next time I ran it it stayed at 1.2 the whole time. Next time .5 the whole time.
100% sure I'm not jumping towers, mine is very close to work. However, there's lots of folks on AT&T here at work so never know what the utilization of the tower is.

To be fair, I have to say that all of a sudden, I just posted 1405kbit up... But I doubt it will last. I would hope that whatever fix is happening will be for all users, but I am still doubting AT&T sincerity.
But I still think it's a valid question... are these AT&T upgrades targeted to fix certain devices in waves? Are others, like iPhone 4's being prioritized?
Seems weird that my phone won't break 200k, when an iPhone 4 will still break 1mbit all day long.
Could there still be prioritization going on based on device? Like say iPhone users made the news so they are getting bandwidth priority?
-James

I'm not certain why, but I've been getting abysmal upload speeds for the past few days.
I'm located near Milwaukee, WI. Last few speed tests averaged out to 1.6mbs/.34mbs.

EarthsiegeTA said:
I'm not certain why, but I've been getting abysmal upload speeds for the past few days.
I'm located near Milwaukee, WI. Last few speed tests averaged out to 1.6mbs/.34mbs.
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You could just be a victum of the HSUPA bug that AT&T claims they are in the process of fixing.
Are their any iPhone4 users around you having the same difficulty?
-James

Realistically, the only device that truly needs that fast HSUPA on at&t's network is the iPhone 4. The reason I say that is, it's currently their only device with video calling where that upload will really make a difference (besides data sticks and netbooks of course). Maybe they are randomly capping other devices uplink speed.

Mi|enko said:
Realistically, the only device that truly needs that fast HSUPA on at&t's network is the iPhone 4. The reason I say that is, it's currently their only device with video calling where that upload will really make a difference (besides data sticks and netbooks of course). Maybe they are randomly capping other devices uplink speed.
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Well that's certainly one way to look at it but consider something else.
iPhone 4 users, and all other smartphone users who pay that $30, or $25, or $15... would then not be treated fairly.
Why do I get less service for paying the same $30/month the iPhone4 user pays?
This is blatantly wrong in my opinion. I'm paying for a service the same as iPhone4 users. In fact it's suppose to be the same service, that's why I started this thread in the first place.
There are apps like Fring on the Android Market that can make use of that higher upload speed, and let's not forget that the iPhone can't make Face Time calls over 3G as of yet unless it's jail-broken.
Now if it was clearly advertised that as an iPhone4 users you were going to receive preference, then I would have had a fair chance to make the decision as to which device would provide me the best upload, all the while paying the same $30 per month.
I don't think AT&T deserves to be allowed be deceptive in such a way.
Don't you want your service you're paying for?
In fact look at AT&T's website... it clearly states...
"typical upload speeds of 500 Kbps to 1.2 Mbps on compatible devices for our current 3G network*"
and...
"*Referenced speeds require an HSDPA 3.6Mbps/HSUPA capable device with Receive Diversity and/or Equalizer. AT&T is deploying HSUPA throughout the 3G footprint, HSUPA may not currently be available in all 3G areas."
It doesn't say... "Only for special people who worship Steve Jobs", it says for HSUPA capable devices.
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/built-for-business/network.jsp
-James

I highly doubt they are capping anything.

The video calling on the iPhone is WiFi only unless you jailbreak.
That said, I've been having the same issue. In fact, I went to return my wife's Aria because she wants to see if a high end phone comes for AT&T and while there, the sales guy saw my Nexus One and we talked about it. He said if I gave him my IMEI it would communicate better with the cell towers. My phone was fine but I figured what the hell, let's try it. And **** has been unstable ever since. I do speedtest and I get 64kbps down, 1.6megs up. Or they're both under 200kbits. It's driving me crazy. I work in downtown Chicago and it's pissing me off because I'm the IT Manager for my company and I need to get emails immediately. I've come back from lunch to find out **** happened in the office but my phone's data was so slow that it couldn't sync emails.

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I highly doubt they are capping anything.
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I'm not 100% they are capping anything, but I'm putting out my observations and seeing what others experiences are.
AT&T has my IMEI number and as of this afternoon my upload has stabalized over 1mbit.
I would like this to be for all N1 users of course. Sure is wierd that my iPhone friends saw the improvement before I did.
-James

Memnoch30 said:
The video calling on the iPhone is WiFi only unless you jailbreak.
That said, I've been having the same issue. In fact, I went to return my wife's Aria because she wants to see if a high end phone comes for AT&T and while there, the sales guy saw my Nexus One and we talked about it. He said if I gave him my IMEI it would communicate better with the cell towers. My phone was fine but I figured what the hell, let's try it. And **** has been unstable ever since. I do speedtest and I get 64kbps down, 1.6megs up. Or they're both under 200kbits. It's driving me crazy. I work in downtown Chicago and it's pissing me off because I'm the IT Manager for my company and I need to get emails immediately. I've come back from lunch to find out **** happened in the office but my phone's data was so slow that it couldn't sync emails.
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I have been experiencing strange behavior as well where I am getting 1.6 (or a bit less) up and half the speed down.
Hopefully it's a symptom of implementing a fix and not a permanent situation.
EDIT: my download is highly irregular so I don't think it proves much.
-James

jmacdonald801 said:
You could just be a victum of the HSUPA bug that AT&T claims they are in the process of fixing.
Are their any iPhone4 users around you having the same difficulty?
-James
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Yeah, that's possible. I'm hoping that's what it is.
No, I don't know anyone with an iPhone 4. The only person I knew with an iPhone previous to the iPhone 4, I managed to talk into an HTC Evo.

jmacdonald801 said:
I'm not 100% they are capping anything, but I'm putting out my observations and seeing what others experiences are.
AT&T has my IMEI number and as of this afternoon my upload has stabalized over 1mbit.
I would like this to be for all N1 users of course. Sure is wierd that my iPhone friends saw the improvement before I did.
-James
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Maybe it just had something to do with your DNS cache or something..
Also ATT doesn't have my IMEI.

What speed test tool do you all use? I tend to get better upload results with speedtest.net than i do with xtremelabs.
just ran both.
speedtest.net app
2246 dn 949 up
2283 dn 1230 up
xtremelabs
2105 dn 393 up
1207 dn 409 up
Springfield IL

I personally use SpeedTest, but I'm getting tired of the issue with getting servers a couple states away.

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I personally use SpeedTest, but I'm getting tired of the issue with getting servers a couple states away.
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You need to allow your GPS to lock before you'll get servers closer to you.
-James

probers1 said:
What speed test tool do you all use? I tend to get better upload results with speedtest.net than i do with xtremelabs.
just ran both.
speedtest.net app
2246 dn 949 up
2283 dn 1230 up
xtremelabs
2105 dn 393 up
1207 dn 409 up
Springfield IL
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I have never had good luck with xtremelabs.
Speedtest.net usually provides more consistent results.
The company that provides it has a pretty large network for speed testing. The FCC speedtest app is provided by them, for what it's worth.
-James

Any Wisconsin Sprint Evo users (mainly Brookfield etc)

Reposted on AC also,trying to get as many peoples input as possible!
Going to start of by saying this isnt a slam against Sprint. I was happy as hell to go back to them after having ATT with my iPhone. This post is to get a general feel for the speeds people are experiencing.
Sum it up as short as I can, I wanted to watch the Seahawks playoff game tonight, so I fired up the ole Slingplayer. To my disappointment, it looked like complete crap and was literally freezing up. So I decided to run a speedtest to see what kind of up/down speeds I was getting.
This is where it gets crappy. I had a friend with a DroidX on Verizon,and another friend with the Samsung Galaxy phone from AT&T next to me, and asked them to run a test also. Speeds were as follows
Verizon- 2.1mb down 950 up
AT&T- 2.3mb down 650 up
Sprint - 393kbps 655kbps up
Uh...yeah. So I ran it again,186kbps down 397 up...WTH
I know Sprint isnt exactly the best carrier and all (and yes I do still love em for the prices) but is the network THAT crappy?
Alittle info about my phone is this:
Android 2.2
2.15.00.11.19 Baseband
2.6.32.15 netarchy-toastmod 4.1.9.1 cfs
3.70.651.1 Build #
Azrael X 3.0
PRI 1.90.003
PRL 60674
I have tried to update my radios with the combo pack at first, but the radio itself stalled at Formatting Cache, so i tried to use them seperately, and once again, stalled at formatting. Everytime I try to update my radio (to actually have it run the full course), it stalls at the formatting part after the self reboot. I thought I would give it time, but 10min of sitting on that screen and nothing, I manually reboot and manually format cache thru recovery. I also updated my profiles each time I try to reinstall the radios.
Am I missing something here or doing something wrong? I know about tower signals and all, but since the area I live and work will NOT be getting 4G anytime soon (as its outside Milwaukee and 4G will not reach that far when and IF Milwaukee gets it), I would at least expect my 3G service to be better than that!

Don't feel so bad. I live in Milwaukee and...
About a year and half ago I could consistently hit 2 mbps on my Touch Pro / Diamond. Then a few months later I was down to about 1500 kbps, which was more then fine. About 6 months ago me and a friend (different plans etc) both started experiencing close to 400 kbps. On our TP2's. It has gotten much worse. I have an EvO, he has a TP2 still so it is not phone related. There are days I can't get above 47 kbps. Most of the time I seem to hover around 87-187 kbps. I have literally waited 2 minutes for webpages to load. And this has been going on for about the past 2 months. Numerous calls and troubleshooting has lead me to believe sprints network is just way to overloaded. I am about to leave Sprint and grab some t mobile and HSPDA+ love. I give till March 31st, only because someone I know claims Sprint 4G may become active here. Apparently there is already a network in place and it is a licensing issue. I doubt it is true, but that is how long I give sprint to get their network together.

Regrettably T Mobile isnt an option for me since I live out in the Falls. I have a store about a 5 min walk from me and the sales reps told me not to even bother about a year or so ago lol.
Even walking thru malls when those sales people approach me, all I say is I live in Meno Falls, and they stop the sales pitch lol

The formatting cache screen is normal, it should do that. It doesn't mean it froze. Just click reboot and you're good to go.

To the OP, your speeds are indicative of 3g (or less) speeds. Was the phone in 4g mode when you ran the test?
Sadly, sprint and verizon 4g technology is not compatible, otherwise swapping out to a verizon prl might be the trick.
Come to think of it, there was another thread here regarding using verizon's 3g even in areas where sprint does have coverage. Did you try that?

Around the oshkosh appleton area I get 300-1000 kbs down and around 700-800 up.

So wait. How can I piggyback off Verizon with a Sprint phone?? I know both are CDMA but thought theres a big difference between chipsets etc.
Oddly enough too I used to able to use my IPad sling player at work also, thought somewhat choppy at times,but it's NEVER been as bad as it's been the past week or so. I did read somewhere that people are having issues with the new radios so I wonder if that could be the culprit and if flashing to a previous radio would clear things up. Then again I think the 3.70 update requires the new radios to function properly though I could be wrong
Anyway back to crying over my non functioning sling players on iPad and Evo due to lack of any decent reliable bandwidth lol

It's not your radio. I've been running the same radio since the 3.29 update. I'm on the 3.70 build now but, the radio hasn't been updated. I used to get close to 1st meg down here in louisville but since christmas it's lucky to get 150 k.
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gpz1100 said:
To the OP, your speeds are indicative of 3g (or less) speeds. Was the phone in 4g mode when you ran the test?
Sadly, sprint and verizon 4g technology is not compatible, otherwise swapping out to a verizon prl might be the trick.
Come to think of it, there was another thread here regarding using verizon's 3g even in areas where sprint does have coverage. Did you try that?
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Hey, we aren't talking of 4G. And no, his speeds are less then 3G. And the issue with Verizons PRL is if more then half or like 500MB is roaming data, then Sprint likes to terminate you.
xcellerate said:
Around the oshkosh appleton area I get 300-1000 kbs down and around 700-800 up.
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Nice. What Radio/Rom? Not that it makes a diff.
Tower1972 said:
So wait. How can I piggyback off Verizon with a Sprint phone?? I know both are CDMA but thought theres a big difference between chipsets etc.
Oddly enough too I used to able to use my IPad sling player at work also, thought somewhat choppy at times,but it's NEVER been as bad as it's been the past week or so. I did read somewhere that people are having issues with the new radios so I wonder if that could be the culprit and if flashing to a previous radio would clear things up. Then again I think the 3.70 update requires the new radios to function properly though I could be wrong
Anyway back to crying over my non functioning sling players on iPad and Evo due to lack of any decent reliable bandwidth lol
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Not your radio. Several phones in my area do this.
baknblack said:
It's not your radio. I've been running the same radio since the 3.29 update. I'm on the 3.70 build now but, the radio hasn't been updated. I used to get close to 1st meg down here in louisville but since christmas it's lucky to get 150 k.
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You and me, in the same boat.

Milwaukee Area
I was recently up in the Milwaukee area over the holidays and the 3G was actually pretty solid at about 1 meg.
In KC, I am lucky to get 256 kb on any given day. Wisconsin doesn't have the 4G network yet - but honestly 4G is over rated (Great speeds if you are outside standing next to the tower and don't mind being tethered to an power outlet)
It is easy to forget that Sprint and other cell phone providers Internet access is still cell phone technology in a world of cable modems and DSL... That the speeds are comparible but there is cell phone "lag" due to the wireless transmissions. And that lag definately will be a factor in gaming and streaming video where packets have to be on time.

weidnerj said:
In KC, I am lucky to get 256 kb on any given day. Wisconsin doesn't have the 4G network yet - but honestly 4G is over rated (Great speeds if you are outside standing next to the tower and don't mind being tethered to an power outlet)
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I think that's more of a Wi-Max issue than Sprint. LTE doesn't have that problem because they operate at a higher frequency. I believe Sprint and Clear are going to switch to LTE and that might actually be the reason for the delay in some areas. I read an article yesterday about Clear having an LTE network running in Phoenix right now with speeds touching 90 megabits. Google it.
As for my speeds in Brookfield the best I got today was 787 down and 621 up. That's been normal for me.

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Hey, we aren't talking of 4G. And no, his speeds are less then 3G. And the issue with Verizons PRL is if more then half or like 500MB is roaming data, then Sprint likes to terminate you.
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Indeed. Bottom end of 3g. Fwiw, this little tweak might help
##3282# from the phone menu
advanced
look at the bottom, http pd proxy port and proxy address
I changed mint to
port:0
proxy: 0.0.0.0
I was having issues with shoutcast streaming in winamp and other programs. This change bypasses the proxy, but may also help in the op's case.
DOh! Forgot about that... It's right there in sprint's terms and [email protected]# So really, such use is suitable when traveling, where bulk of the data usage is in a sprint market. But where less than majority (49%?) is while roaming. Of course the 49% is my interpretation. They don't really define what majority means.
http://shop.sprint.com/en/legal/legal_terms_privacy_popup.shtml
Off-network Roaming: The primary use of your Device must be for domestic purposes within the Sprint-owned network. Domestic means use in the 50 United States and U.S. Territories (except Guam). Sprint reserves the right, without notice, to deny, terminate, modify, disconnect or suspend service if off-network usage in a month exceeds: (1) voice: 800 min. or a majority of minutes; or (2) data: 300 megabytes or a majority of kilobytes. The display on your device may not always be on and will not indicate whether you will incur roaming charges. You can monitor usage online through My Account. Roaming is not available with single-band phones, or to customers who reside or whose primary use is outside an area covered by the Nationwide Sprint Network. Sprint may limit or terminate service if you move outside of the Sprint owned-network.
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Fixed Slow Nexus S Data w/ call to Tmobile!

Just jumped from the N1 with an unlimited Android Data plan.I've been scratching my head ever since I purchased my off-contract phone, as to why I was getting ridiculously slow speedtest results (58 kb/s /38 kb/s with full green bars) avg. I'm not sure if everyone did what I did but I took the sim card out of my N1 and activated the phone w/ T-mobile by calling in the IMEI. Turns out my N1 data plan (according to the service rep) was for the 3g service and the NS apparently uses a newer 4g service.The rep made the change and told me it should go into effect in about 2 hours and I've just rec'd a text stating that my web plan has been changed. Going to wait to run the test a bit later tonight to see if I can pull in faster speeds with speedtest. If you aren't getting the speeds you think you should here in the US with optimal signal, a call to Tmobile to verify that you the correct. Going to activate the sim card that came with the phone just to be on the safe side too. Hope this helps anyone out there reading this
UPDATE! Man I feel stupid lol but that seems to have done the trick. Just pulled 1542 kbps/ 376kbps. Should I expect higher? Just looked at the Tmobile website and Android Mobile Web - Unlimited has been changed to 4G Web- Unlimited.

Just a note: NS can not use 4G

Ulukita said:
Just jumped from the N1 with an unlimited Android Data plan.I've been scratching my head ever since I purchased my off-contract phone, as to why I was getting ridiculously slow speedtest results (58 kb/s /38 kb/s with full green bars) avg. I'm not sure if everyone did what I did but I took the sim card out of my N1 and activated the phone w/ T-mobile by calling in the IMEI. Turns out my N1 data plan (according to the service rep) was for the 3g service and the NS apparently uses a newer 4g service.The rep made the change and told me it should go into effect in about 2 hours and I've just rec'd a text stating that my web plan has been changed. Going to wait to run the test a bit later tonight to see if I can pull in faster speeds with speedtest. If you aren't getting the speeds you think you should here in the US with optimal signal, a call to Tmobile to verify that you the correct. Going to activate the sim card that came with the phone just to be on the safe side too. Hope this helps anyone out there reading this
UPDATE! Man I feel stupid lol but that seems to have done the trick. Just pulled 1542 kbps/ 376kbps. Should I expect higher? Just looked at the Tmobile website and Android Mobile Web - Unlimited has been changed to 4G Web- Unlimited.
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i get an average of 4500-6500kbps here in brooklyn.

mazodude said:
Just a note: NS can not use 4G
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From what I understand, it can benefit from 4G to the extent the 3G network it would otherwise use is slower than what it is internally capable of handling, it just can't take full advantage because its hardware antenna is limited to a 7.2 mbps transfer rate.

Back again
I just did the same test and now I'm pullin in 400kbps/ 376 kbps. I guess I'm just not in a good area Will try again tomorrow in a different part of the house. TY for the info everyone.

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Not entirely correct. While it doesn't boast full hspa its capable of higher than standard 3G speeds by using the 4g network. However unless using a custom rom you won't be able to see when it's on hspa.
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I can pull 1840/590 frequently.
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The Nexus One can also pull data off the HSPA+ data network (mine was averaging 4Mb/s after T-Mo upgraded my area).
My Nexus S can't seem to pull nearly that amount though. I need to pull out my N1 and test both in the same location to see if network performance has deteriorated in my area overall, or if the NS just isn't hauling the load properly.
Others have reported success in increasing data speeds with a call to T-Mo and changing to 4G account type in other threads here, so the theory is sound, assuming you're on an old account with some bad data plan. I clearly wasn't, based on my N1's performance, but the N1 was my first T-Mo phone/sim.

I had sort of the same issue. I was on a mytouch 3g data plan with my nexus s for 3 weeks and one day the data on my phone stopped working but I could still make calls. I called T-Mobile and the rep upgraded me to the 4g plan and its been working ever since.
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distortedloop said:
The Nexus One can also pull data off the HSPA+ data network (mine was averaging 4Mb/s after T-Mo upgraded my area).
My Nexus S can't seem to pull nearly that amount though. I need to pull out my N1 and test both in the same location to see if network performance has deteriorated in my area overall, or if the NS just isn't hauling the load properly.
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I am both happy and sad to report that after some minimal testing, my Nexus S is getting the same download speeds as my Nexus One when using the same sim card in the same location off the same speedtest.net servers. I am getting around 2990Kb/s on both phones down, 2000 up. This is happy since it shows no hardware issues with the NS as I had originally thought.
It is sad because T-Mo used to serve up around 3800-4000Kb/s in this area. Not that in most real world uses, even tethering, that there's much difference.

the Nexus S just cant pull higher than 7.2 down HSPA+ is more about the backend

I have thought about making the call but I'm afraid that tmobile might make me switch to the "third party phone" plan for $30 when I pay $25 for unlimited data with my G1 plan. plus I would have to add a text plan and I would end up pay about $20 more than I do now.

I've been getting 3mb down since they upgraded my area and I'm on android unlimited web plan.
I just called T-mobile for the second time and asked to add the 4G web plan and the rep. told me that my device was not a 4G device and for that reason the 4G plan could not be added.
Is there really a difference between Android web and 4G web? or is it just name? I'm going to find out. Tomorrow I will borrow my brother's SIM card (from his G2), and do some speed tests.

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i get an average of 4500-6500kbps here in brooklyn.
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Wtf? The most I've gotten was 3Mbps in Brooklyn.

Method for blazing Speeds on ATT using Wimax.

As most using GS2 on Att the data speeds are poor.
I have mine on Att $50 prepaid unlimited all, using an infuse Imei.
Data speeds are still poor (avg 12-1500kbps).
ANY phone on Att "4G" performs poorly.
So, what I did (initially as a temporary measure) was get a Sprint MiFi portable hotspot ($35mo), carry with me and run off their 4G. (My work has me on the move around the chicago area...it's worth it).
I can tell you, data absolutely FLIES...(significantly better than the Evo 4g btw, as your at the mercy of tower positioning. The Evo on the Mifi performs way better also).
In the 10days I've had it, I've NEVER gone to 3G.
I'm considering just sticking with this arrangement when SGS2 breaks here if the phone's are dumbed down in any way. Good thing is the data reports to Att are virtually Zero on my dumbphone plan at 6-8M's/mo.....as I have unlimited data on Sprint.
So yeah its $85mo total for me.
SO, for those who really prioritize network speed (and why tether this brilliant device to a 3rd rate network), you might consider trying it for 30days. Don't need a current Sprint account.
Makes unlimited surfing and tethering movies etc fun again!
(suggestion tho if you do: have an extra phone and MiFi battery, and wall charger!).

I agree that the 4G speeds are not much faster than good 3G, no matter which settings are tried. Glad to know Sprint is fast, the competition is sure to cause AT&T to increase their speeds to keep up.
That being said, you may want to rename this thread. I was expecting some new method to improve AT&T speeds when I clicked it. Something like "AT&T is hopelessly slow, tether with Sprint instead" would make more sense.
For me, I can't be bothered to carry a MiFi with me at all times and pay another company money each month. I'll just do the best I can with AT&T and hope they improve the HSPA+ speeds in my area. I get between 1 and 2.5 mbps just about anywhere so its not unbearable. The real killer is the slowness to switch from 3G to H+ every time I try to use the data connection...

Ah, your right about title.
I guess it's method to obtain fast speeds while on Att!

TheSopranos16 said:
I get between 1 and 2.5 mbps just about anywhere so its not unbearable. The real killer is the slowness to switch from 3G to H+ every time I try to use the data connection...
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It's sounds like something's wrong with your settings or SIM. I live in a 3G area and pull between 2-3MB down. When I'm traveling in a HSPA+ area I get between 4-8MB down. I'm on a post-paid data for non-Smartphones plan. I actually do the opposite of the OP. I use my SGS2 to tether my tablet and download and watch Hulu with no stuttering.

BarryH_GEG said:
It's sounds like something's wrong with your settings or SIM. I live in a 3G area and pull between 2-3MB down. When I'm traveling in a HSPA+ area I get between 4-8MB down. I'm on a post-paid data for non-Smartphones plan. I actually do the opposite of the OP. I use my SGS2 to tether my tablet and download and watch Hulu with no stuttering.
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I got similar speeds on my old Captivate (although it was HSPA, not HSPA+). Friends of mine with the Inspire get the same speeds as well. I think its the area. I live in Central New Jersey and according to PCMag's mobile network speed test, this area is about the worst there is for AT&T speeds:
http://www.pcmag.com/Fastest-Mobile-Networks-2011
What area's are you getting between 4-8 in? Have you ever tried in New Jersey?

I've got 2-4kbps.....but it's rare. It's usually 12-15 give or take. Also, ping time on Att seems really slow, usually double the time of Evo.
I've tried new sim twice.
2nd time went to an Att guy I know personally, showed him the SGS2 (normally I wouldn't cause they'd take it to the computer and not allow it on dumbphone plan)....he made some adjustment in the system for me gave me a new sim card....and results were the same.
Speedtest doesn't reflect real world results anyway.
Take a site....say crackberry.com....at its 4bar best Att will download the whole site in 35-40 sec. MiFi is consistently will do it at 15sec.
It's always about 3 times faster. For a guy who needs data on the go, that's big.

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It's sounds like something's wrong with your settings or SIM. I live in a 3G area and pull between 2-3MB down. When I'm traveling in a HSPA+ area I get between 4-8MB down. I'm on a post-paid data for non-Smartphones plan. I actually do the opposite of the OP. I use my SGS2 to tether my tablet and download and watch Hulu with no stuttering.
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I'm in Los Angeles and my speeds are generally between 5-8MB/down. Recent trip to NYC yielded similar numbers.

Sprint VS T-Mobile or Tmobile and Throttling

So, its just about time to upgrade to upgrade my Sprint Phone (Evo). I got it coming up in May, unless something changes I might be going with the SG2, just looks great and it has capabilities for LTE as well as Wimax.
I just got a new job that lets me get a discount on T-Mobile, and I after looking at their plans, it would save me a few bucks (literally like 4). I have heard rumors that HSPA+ is slighly faster than Wimax but I never compared the two.
So HSPA+ faster than Wimax?
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I use my phone 90% of the time as a router. My college blocks everything so I am always on tether. I just looked it up and used 16GB last month, and that seems to be the lower average. My point is that Sprint's unlimited truly means unlimited with no caps. T-Mobile throttles after 2GB or 5GB according to the plan. How much of a throttle? Is it significant?

It throttles you down to EDGE speeds, so 2g. Around 20kbps, which won't load a black and white smiley face on your screen for 20 seconds. If you're going to use more than 5GB's per month, stick with Sprint.
T-Mobile throttles at different tiers on different plans, from 100MB-5GB
Speeds on HSPA+ seem to be faster for me on T-Mobile than on Sprint in Portland, Oregon. That could be different for you, but T-Mobile's 42mbps HSPA+ Is closer to LTE than WiMax in my opinion.

In some areas T-Mobile also forcibly compresses all images pulled down in web pages regardless of your data usage and data plan. There is no way to turn this "feature" off.

Well first the SGS2 does not support Wimax and lte...no device does except for a hotspot...
Imho you will be better off not getting the SGS2 and instead using your upgrade on a truly new device that the hardware spec is not a year old almost. That is unless $ is a big factor and you don't want to spend $250ish on a device...
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Did some research and found you are right. It is really disappointing because I had a Sprint tech and a Sprint sales rep tell me point blank that the SG2 was Wimax and LTE. Can't trust people nowadays.

Battery consumption is much better with HSPA+ vs LTE.
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It throttles you down to EDGE speeds, so 2g. Around 20kbps, which won't load a black and white smiley face on your screen for 20 seconds. If you're going to use more than 5GB's per month, stick with Sprint.
T-Mobile throttles at different tiers on different plans, from 100MB-5GB
Speeds on HSPA+ seem to be faster for me on T-Mobile than on Sprint in Portland, Oregon. That could be different for you, but T-Mobile's 42mbps HSPA+ Is closer to LTE than WiMax in my opinion.
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Goes to up to 10.
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In some areas T-Mobile also forcibly compresses all images pulled down in web pages regardless of your data usage and data plan. There is no way to turn this "feature" off.
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False.

iball8888 said:
Did some research and found you are right. It is really disappointing because I had a Sprint tech and a Sprint sales rep tell me point blank that the SG2 was Wimax and LTE. Can't trust people nowadays.
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Yeah no problem, didn't want u going out and buying a device being that misled...
It's a shame when that crap happens to ppl.
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Yeah no problem, didn't want u going out and buying a device being that misled...
It's a shame when that crap happens to ppl.
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I used to be a Sprint store technician, and when the Epic Touch had the Loss of Signal issue (which has long been fixed, officially), Sprint's Tech Support over the phone told me that I should have bought an iPhone because Android always breaks. Word for word. I was like, ok so give me an iPhone, I'll give back the Epic Touch. And they said no.
These days you have to fend for yourself unfortunately. Chances are, if you're an XDA user, you know more than a carrier's tech support.

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False.
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Explain. I suffered this issue for four months and had to switch to AT&T to avoid it.

To the OP. I tried switching to t-mobile twice because IMO they have better phones and prices. but both times I had to switch back. my story: i knew tmobile had the 5gb data cap on teh monthly 4g plan i wanted so I checked my sprint data usage for 5 months and noticed i am only using 2-3 gb a month. I figured great so i went and got the Htc amaze after 6 days by data usage was over 1.5 gb. I went to the store and asked them is it possible that the data reading on the phone and website could be wrong? my setup was the same on my sprint evo and my htc amaze so it wasn't a program that could have been using that much data so i returned the phone. 2 weeks later i went back to the store drooling over the amaze but knew i couldn't get it because i would go over the 5gb easy. I spoke with a rep and he said he uses data heavily and never goes over so i said ok ill try it again maybe it was the phone. this time around i didn't tether at all except for 5 min to test it out. hardly used Pandora and made sure my setup was the same as the evo. this time i gave it 10 days and i was already over 3gb. i was half ass using my phone and still i would have been over. I have searched about this called tmobile and haven't come up with a good reason why this phone was using so much data. a buddy of mine went to att and i told him that he would def go over but after a few days he said no man im good . at the end of the month he called *****ing that he went over the att cap which was even lower than tmobile. until the come up with a prepaid plan that gives 10gb i have to stay away. oh yea and when they throttle you the above comments are correct its edge speed and way to slow for anything but email and light web surfing.

iball8888 said:
I just looked it up and used 16GB last month, and that seems to be the lower average. My point is that Sprint's unlimited truly means unlimited with no caps. T-Mobile throttles after 2GB or 5GB according to the plan. How much of a throttle? Is it significant?
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I think this will be the main issue.
When I pass 5GB, I get throttled to EDGE (2G) speeds. For most purposes this is like running out of data. You're going to be stuck at 2GB or 5GB. Email is fine at EDGE speeds - anything else requires too much speed.
Stick with Sprint, as it seems the savings aren't really significant, anyway.

IMO Sprint sucks if you're not in a Wimax area and the Wimax isn't that great anyway.. Sprint's EVDO network is an absolute JOKE. I figured since I'm not covered by Wimax I'd switch my E4GT to Boost to save money, but Boost's(Sprint's) EVDO was nowhere near as fast as T-Mobile's 3G.. It really sucks because my E4GT is hands down the best phone I've ever used, but the internet is almost unusable it's so slow.. I'm putting it up for sale soon to switch back to T-Mobile.

Speeds really depend on where you live. I have spotty 4g in my area but never need it. at my house i have to use wifi but in most places i can stream Pandora without any buffering. everyone always talks about speed but as long as you can stream music and video without and buffering whats the issue? unless you are tethering to your pc and downloading torrents speeds over 250kps will stream just fine.

This is how Verizon does it:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDxJoGv3FLA&feature=channel
Now that is throttling right there. They send me a new phone and it does the same. They have lied to me 3 times now, one that was just needed a reset, that I just needed a new phone and they don't throttle. I had only used 12GB and they do that. OK thats BS

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IMO Sprint sucks if you're not in a Wimax area and the Wimax isn't that great anyway.. Sprint's EVDO network is an absolute JOKE. I figured since I'm not covered by Wimax I'd switch my E4GT to Boost to save money, but Boost's(Sprint's) EVDO was nowhere near as fast as T-Mobile's 3G.. It really sucks because my E4GT is hands down the best phone I've ever used, but the internet is almost unusable it's so slow.. I'm putting it up for sale soon to switch back to T-Mobile.
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Gonna be leaving right before the network takes a giant improvement with the network vision deployment set to be complete by end of next year....3G speeds 1-3Mbps....most all 3G coverage blanketed by LTE.....
Check S4GRU.com for some details on the rollout schedule. This isn't the sprint.com/network crap that's shown this is completely different and involves backhaul changes from the ancient T1 based to microwave/fiber based...
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T-mobile rocks over Sprint for data, coverage and price
flexte said:
To the OP. I tried switching to t-mobile twice because IMO they have better phones and prices. but both times I had to switch back. my story: i knew tmobile had the 5gb data cap on teh monthly 4g plan i wanted so I checked my sprint data usage for 5 months and noticed i am only using 2-3 gb a month. I figured great so i went and got the Htc amaze after 6 days by data usage was over 1.5 gb. I went to the store and asked them is it possible that the data reading on the phone and website could be wrong? my setup was the same on my sprint evo and my htc amaze so it wasn't a program that could have been using that much data so i returned the phone. 2 weeks later i went back to the store drooling over the amaze but knew i couldn't get it because i would go over the 5gb easy. I spoke with a rep and he said he uses data heavily and never goes over so i said ok ill try it again maybe it was the phone. this time around i didn't tether at all except for 5 min to test it out. hardly used Pandora and made sure my setup was the same as the evo. this time i gave it 10 days and i was already over 3gb. i was half ass using my phone and still i would have been over. I have searched about this called tmobile and haven't come up with a good reason why this phone was using so much data. a buddy of mine went to att and i told him that he would def go over but after a few days he said no man im good . at the end of the month he called *****ing that he went over the att cap which was even lower than tmobile. until the come up with a prepaid plan that gives 10gb i have to stay away. oh yea and when they throttle you the above comments are correct its edge speed and way to slow for anything but email and light web surfing.
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I picked up my HTC Amaze (a 42.2 mbps device) on T-mobile in early January, and I live in a California city that has T-mobile HSPA+ 42.2 mbps coverage, just to be clear. When I bought my Amaze, I had to re-up my contract and at the time, I was asked to choose between a 5GB plan per month ($25 on top of the monthly $40 value plan) and a 10GB plan per month ($50 + my $40 value plan). So for price, it is impossible to beat T-mobile for the service you get.
I use my Amaze daily to go online, download and upload large files (I am a graphic designer) and watch videos and stream music. For the last 5 months I've had my phone, I've come close to 5GB twice. That is with heavy usage and this last month having a nearly two hour Skype conversation with a friend of mine where I used 2GB in one sitting!!! I also use my phone with the free WiFi Hotspot feature that comes with the 5GB & 10GB data plan as my computer's internet provider. I don't have a physical cable in my house, just my Amaze.
As far as speed, my friends with iPhones on ALL 3 NETWORKS (Sprint, Verizon and AT&T) all get slower speeds than I do. I was challenged by them and shut them all up in contests against google searches, Siri vs Google Voice Search and Speedtest.net. I have also speedtested the nicer handsets by Samsung and HTC running on AT&T and matched or beat them in my city in a few places around town. Sprint's speed was not even on the radar, barely chugging at 1mbps usually. I pull over 12 mbps usually everywhere I go, with upload speeds from 5-8 mbps on average.
As far as data, I have never gone over my 5GB but see how others could, and I bet when T-mobile gets LTE Advance up and running I'll add in the extra 5 gigs.
The greater points I'm making are the following:
A) Sprint's network it a sham. Even when they finally get around to offering LTE in California, which will be who-knows-when, T-mobile will have switched on its LTE advanced release 10 network, with HSPA+ 42.2 mbps backup, nationally. If you're a Sprint user, jump ship now or when T-mobile lights it up in 2013.
B) It's pretty darn hard to use up 5 Gigs per month if your not a power user. I don't know how someone with the HTC Amaze and the Usage monitor that is part of T-mobile's apps and in the HTC phone itself can't determine what was eating up data. That just doesn't make sense. You can easily pinpoint what's using your data by using the included Usage setting on your phone. And if 5GB isn't enough, get 10! But that option does exist.
C) T-mobile may not offer unlimited data speed at 4G, but get a 10GB plan and you will fly over the speeds you get on Sprint and save money while doing it. You could pay one price on Sprint for 1.5 mbps download speed unlimited (SLOW), or you could pay the same, maybe a little less and get 10GB at 4G speeds on T-mobile... and then in 2013 enjoy them lighting up a national LTE advance network that will arguably be the speediest LTE network on the planet.
D) The HTC Amaze is one bad-ass MoFo of a phone.
That is all.

for me i switched from t-mobile to boost because of their lack of 3g/4g in my town on t-mobile i was always on edge it is very slow, i switched to boost and i have EvDO now, its not the best of the best but atleast i can open a website now without my screen timing out. :good:

Product F(RED) said:
I used to be a Sprint store technician, and when the Epic Touch had the Loss of Signal issue (which has long been fixed, officially), Sprint's Tech Support over the phone told me that I should have bought an iPhone because Android always breaks. Word for word. I was like, ok so give me an iPhone, I'll give back the Epic Touch. And they said no.
These days you have to fend for yourself unfortunately. Chances are, if you're an XDA user, you know more than a carrier's tech support.
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You know what, they did the same thing to my dad. There was a hardware issue with his OG evo (a great phone during its day) where the speaker was going too quiet. The sales guy basically was telling him how it's because it's an android phone, how much better iphone is, etc.
Honestly I think the reason they are doing this is because they literally bet their future on the iphone. They are guaranteed to be paying apple 16 billion dollars over the next 4 years, regardless of whether or not they actually sell that much money worth of iphones. You better believe that they are going to try their damndest to sell them.
Anyways, I'm thinking of ditching sprint for t-mobile myself. I live in phoenix, which has zero 4g coverage from sprint. Several years back they told me that they would be deploying wimax here shortly. Where are we now? Nowhere.
I called them earlier today to cancel one of my lines, and they kept asking me if I want to use it for a data card, or if I just wanted to hold on to it "just in case" etc. I told the lady that I am thinking of switching to t-mobile, gave her all of these reasons why, and she brings up the "unlimited data" talking point. I kind of chuckle under my breath, and then tell her that their 3g service is really slow, their 4g service barely compares to other carrier's 3g service, and finally, they don't even offer 4g in my area, which is the 6th largest city in the US. She then tells me that they are going to be offering it here soon, so I tell her that that's what they told me a few years ago.
Yeah there are "rumors" that phoenix is due early in their second rollout, however similar rumors kept surfacing about wimax coming to phoenix next an entire year after it finished rolling out everywhere else. Other smaller towns outside of the valley (and I mean like over 70 miles away) got it, but not in the valley area.
In any case, I am on my third "4g" phone, and still have not ever had 4g. Even if LTE came soon to my area, I'm not terribly excited about it, mainly because the LTE gnex has a quarter of the battery life of the HSPA version when both are actively using 4g. I don't care if LTE is 10% faster, it's a huge f*cking battery drain.
Anyways, I'm not a heavy data user, so 4g hasn't been a huge priority to me. What is annoying is how I have to fight sprint's billing department every other month because they always manage to screw up something on my bill and overcharge me. I've been dealing with this for the last 7 years and I am tired of it. Sprint sucks, 'nuff said.
I really want to jump off of sprint, but I am hesitant because I don't know if t-mobile's voice service is more spotty, because according to sensorly their coverage is about 80% of that of sprint in my area. However, t-mobile would save me $40 a month, and because of the company I work for, I will have the activation fee waived.

Sprint coverage is so spotty. According to the coverage map I'm suppose to get 4g in my neighborhood and I don't. 98% percent of the time I'm on slow 3g. With T-Mobile I'm on 4g everywhere I go and its a good feeling to pull out your phone and handle your business with ease and speed unlike sprint.
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