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Hi All,
I m pretty new to winmo scene but I have read that there is a huge concern on the video playback of HTC devices.
My question would be if this phone will actually have proper video drivers.
It is advertised as a phone which could play back DVD quality movies.
Does that mean that I would be able to take a normal "downloaded" episode of lets say Lost and play it back on the device without conversion?
I realize that I would need a program such as CorePlayer but would I actually be able to play the movie without having to convert it into some lower format?
The lucrative thing about the Xperia is the resolution and the video playback possibility.
I m just hoping that the device wont experience the problems of the Kaiser etc.
FunkyMike said:
Hi All,
I m pretty new to winmo scene but I have read that there is a huge concern on the video playback of HTC devices.
My question would be if this phone will actually have proper video drivers.
It is advertised as a phone which could play back DVD quality movies.
Does that mean that I would be able to take a normal "downloaded" episode of lets say Lost and play it back on the device without conversion?
I realize that I would need a program such as CorePlayer but would I actually be able to play the movie without having to convert it into some lower format?
The lucrative thing about the Xperia is the resolution and the video playback possibility.
I m just hoping that the device wont experience the problems of the Kaiser etc.
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Who wants to watch LOST?
I'd rather watch Supernatural, or House, or Bones, or Heroes, or... the list goes on - but no Lost!
Anyways... i think i read somewhere that it has XVid support (which is what the episodes are usually encoded with/in or whatever). I'm not 100% sure if i read this for Xperia specifically, but it was definitely an WinMo device, but if that has it, so would Xperia have it or we could add it via codec pack or something.
Hehehe well your right about Lost
Rather watch Heroes or Californication ))
I m just thinking that Xvid support will not be out of the box and we will have to get it through a program called Coreplayer
My only concern is that HTC has a track record for not "enabling" proper video acceleration in their devices. This might be different for Xperia since SE is making the software.
I just hope we end up with a device that can play episodes of our favorite stuff .. without having to convert the files.
FunkyMike said:
I just hope we end up with a device that can play episodes of our favorite stuff .. without having to convert the files.
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I second that!
Haven't watched californication yet... maybe will give it a try.
Ok... so i just checked, it was Omnia. Samsung Omnia has Xvid support out of the box... i hope SE does the same for X1.
FunkyMike said:
Hehehe well your right about Lost
Rather watch Heroes or Californication ))
I m just thinking that Xvid support will not be out of the box and we will have to get it through a program called Coreplayer
My only concern is that HTC has a track record for not "enabling" proper video acceleration in their devices. This might be different for Xperia since SE is making the software.
I just hope we end up with a device that can play episodes of our favorite stuff .. without having to convert the files.
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Actually the Touch Diamond and Pro have 3D acceleration.
And since my old as time Nokia can play xvid files after installing some codecs, i cant imagine WM not being able to
Ok... so i just checked, it was Omnia. Samsung Omnia has Xvid support out of the box... i hope SE does the same for X1.
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Hmm I think your right about Omnia although I haven’t seen any reports on the Xvid playback.
I heard that Omnias video drivers were ripped onto other HTC devices to increase the FPS for playing videos.
and you should definitely find some time for Californication
Lets hope we get some reports soon on avi playback. The 384 ram sounds encouraging.
Actually the Touch Diamond and Pro have 3D acceleration.
And since my old as time Nokia can play xvid files after installing some codecs, i cant imagine WM not being able to
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Your right about them having 3d acceleration but there still seems to be some issue with having proper drivers that enable the ATI chip that speeds up the video. It has something to do with HTC not wanting to pay the license for those drivers I think.
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Lets hope we get some reports soon on avi playback. The 384 ram sounds encouraging.
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Let us hope then...!
FunkyMike said:
and you should definitely find some time for Californication
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Yes Sir! I'll try an' make time for it.
FunkyMike said:
Your right about them having 3d acceleration but there still seems to be some issue with having proper drivers that enable the ATI chip that speeds up the video. It has something to do with HTC not wanting to pay the license for those drivers I think.
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Yes, HTC did not enable the ATI chip in many of their devices with the MSM7x00 chips, such as the tilt. When this was exposed, it made many very angry. I believe the new devices (diamond, pro, hd) have true 3D acceleration enabled. HTC cant make the same mistake anymore.
msalmank said:
Who wants to watch LOST?
I'd rather watch Supernatural, or House, or Bones, or Heroes, or... the list goes on - but no Lost!
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I'd rather watch obese Asian men play dodge ball naked...
Black93300ZX said:
I'd rather watch obese Asian men play dodge ball naked...
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And that is going to give me nightmares today!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0jL5dwn-AE
Vid taken from Motorola Droid. Not sure how to embed it in this forum.
Playing around with Qik for a bit. I was under the impression that Qik is supposed to provide 2-way "vid chat", which it doesn't. It uses your Evo's FRONT camera (not the 8 megapixel cam on the back) or BACK camera to stream a live video to the web.
As you can see, there is noticeable lag. I don't think it's possible to view the live stream on another smartphone using either the browser or Qik. I can only view my live video feed from my desktop.
Streaming video hasn't been enabled yet, but *will* be a feature of the service in the coming weeks(ish)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0jL5dwn-AE
Vid taken from Motorola Droid. Not sure how to embed it in this forum.
Playing around with Qik for a bit. I was under the impression that Qik is supposed to provide 2-way "vid chat", which it doesn't. It uses your Evo's FRONT camera (not the 8 megapixel cam on the back) or BACK camera to stream a live video to the web.
As you can see, there is noticeable lag. I don't think it's possible to view the live stream on another smartphone using either the browser or Qik. I can only view my live video feed from my desktop.
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Video chat hasn't been implemented yet
Whats stopping another evo 4g user from opening your feed from his phone, and you vice versa while you are both streaming? It would be a few seconds off but eh, it beats waiting.
rekphiv said:
Whats stopping another evo 4g user from opening your feed from his phone, and you vice versa while you are both streaming? It would be a few seconds off but eh, it beats waiting.
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Well it would be something more like 1 minute off if you're both on 3G I'd think.
Im really getting depressed over the quality of the evo 4g 720p video especially compared to iphone 4, droid x, and new galaxy s (epic 4g) the fps of the evo just totally annoying me now every time i look at other 720p videos, is there anyway to tweak or improve this by software ? like come on seriously 20fps -_- that totally sucks
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Im really getting depressed over the quality of the evo 4g 720p video especially compared to iphone 4, droid x, and new galaxy s (epic 4g) the fps of the evo just totally annoying me now every time i look at other 720p videos, is there anyway to tweak or improve this by software ? like come on seriously 20fps -_- that totally sucks
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The hardware for it is actually quite good, and yes it can definitely be fixed with software, but it's up to HTC.
Plancy said:
The hardware for it is actually quite good, and yes it can definitely be fixed with software, but it's up to HTC.
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Actually we can do it once we get full kernel source. It'll probably take an AOSP ROM since we can't modify the HTC cam app, but we did it for the Nexus. Combine a custom kernel with a custom cam app and we're golden
What's really sad is that the Evo has the 8mp version of the camera in the iPhone. Seriously same manufacturer and everything.
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It's true it looks quite terrible, but let's make one thing absolutely clear.
24/25 FPS is FINE for videos. That's what movies are shot in.
The problem is purely bitrate. Which we will eventually increase.
This is what I desperately want fixed. I was happy with the quality until I saw what the iPhone was producing. Man does that piss me off. HTC's software is really crippling this device.
I'm not one to replace standard software on my phones and PCs, but dammit, it looks like I'll have to in this case.
Keep up the great work, guys.
my brothers evo's vid quality sucks as well, i duno wut u can do to it to make it better...
I think my 720p video looks great, not sure what you guys are complaining about.
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The video quality is not that bad to me but it's the audio on the video that's choppy. I haven't been able to find very many posts on this...is this just an issue with my phone?
Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqoqspzu8XE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU6bmAQMAq4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6948969&postcount=13
His updated video (note the significant audio difference as well):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zruAaXHkiF4&annotation_id=annotation_114688&feature=iv
Raw footage:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1742891/iPhone 4 vs EVO x2.mov (warning: 221 MB + content borders on intolerable if you're an adult with no kids)
-Can we get HTC to address this?
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It's true it looks quite terrible, but let's make one thing absolutely clear.
24/25 FPS is FINE for videos. That's what movies are shot in.
The problem is purely bitrate. Which we will eventually increase.
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That's not accurate. The 720P videos are actually recorded at 6 Megabits/sec. That's plenty of bitrate to handle HD videos. The problem is the codecs being used. The EVO is using generic MPEG4 video instead of H.264, and the audio codec is 8kHz AMR Narrowband instead of AAC. That's the main reason they look bad. Compare HD videos from the EVO against the 720P videos from the iPhone and that's the main difference.
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That's not accurate. The 720P videos are actually recorded at 6 Megabits/sec. That's plenty of bitrate to handle HD videos. The problem is the codecs being used. The EVO is using generic MPEG4 video instead of H.264, and the audio codec is 8kHz AMR Narrowband instead of AAC. That's the main reason they look bad. Compare HD videos from the EVO against the 720P videos from the iPhone and that's the main difference.
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i'm still learning about all this, but these differences seem more software-related rather than a hardware limitation, correct? given enough time and the source code, the devs would probably be able to fix this or htc updates the software (highly unlikely, but hell, i'm keeping hopeful). is it safe to assume a scenario like this?
So any ETA on resolution?
Video looks & sounds second-rate compared to the iPhone4.
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Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqoqspzu8XE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU6bmAQMAq4
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Ok. After watching that the evo's video camera software has to be fixed.... and I do mean 'fixed'. The specs on the evo are too good to not be working as good as those 2 videos.
skiz220 said:
Im really getting depressed over the quality of the evo 4g 720p video especially compared to iphone 4, droid x, and new galaxy s (epic 4g) the fps of the evo just totally annoying me now every time i look at other 720p videos, is there anyway to tweak or improve this by software ? like come on seriously 20fps -_- that totally sucks
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Returning it for one of those devices appears to be in your future.
No, it's pretty bad. It's OK for indoors with decent lighting but if you're outdoors...the video quality is just terrible. The camera itself is just as bad or worse.
If we DO get a fix on this thing, does this mean I need to root my phone?
Yeah the Sound quality is piss poor compared to the iPhone 4 and the Droid X... I hope HTC or the devs can fix this.
My god, that source video of the Evo and the iPhone 4 really open my eyes to how badly HTC's ****ed up. The video from the Evo looks like it was recorded from a Razr, and the audio is about ten times worse than any smartphone I've ever heard. I really hope the developers can match the Evo's audio and video quality to that of the iPhone when the source is released.
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Returning it for one of those devices appears to be in your future.
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Not at all , I left verizon to get this phone the sprint network is not as great but their plans are a gift compared to other companies , over all im enjoying my evo plus this is my first smart phone so its a big jump for me,but I said depressed because I know this phone could be way better and be on par with these other phones such as the iphone but unfortunately htc crippled the evo :/
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I picked up a Molex micro hdmi cable and have tested it against my 20" 720p Sceptre, my 37" 1080P Sceptre, 43" 1080P Sceptre and several 1080P monitors at my place of work...all with same results.
Picture is pixellated, "choppy" and it seems phone can't keep up.
I am sending 720P videos created with phone (I set it to 720p) and can see that ALL the tvs receive as 720p signal...yet image quality is so poor it's borked.
All of these TVs were hdmi 1.3 I believe...is this solely an hdmi 1.4 issue?
Loving my Evo except hdmi is fubar. I have a few days left on eval and may return it if this feature is truly not appropriate for phone (due to cpu issue).
I am perfectly willing to wait for g'bread if this will make a difference.
What's the deal here?
Check it against a better TV. Those Scepters just don't use the same quality as say even a Visio, let alone a Sony or Samsung.
Worked wonderfully for my brother's 46" LG LCD
So... a Walmart TV with an HTC phone and you say the phone quality sucks? I'm confused jk bro. Haha
I have a Phillips 32' and the HDMI is horrible for me. I played a HQ Video of Everybody Hates Chris and it was so choppy and fuzzy I just disconnected it. I have a 6ft cable. Could the length have anything to do with it?
sceptre is the same quality as visio hate to break it to you. plays properly on my 32" samsung.
gqstatus0685 said:
I have a Phillips 32' and the HDMI is horrible for me. I played a HQ Video of Everybody Hates Chris and it was so choppy and fuzzy I just disconnected it. I have a 6ft cable. Could the length have anything to do with it?
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No
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Picture quality is crap because your videos are encoded at a low bitrate so there gonna look pixilated.
When I recode my Blu Ray movies to x.264 720p with a high bitrate and play them back using HDMI to my Sony Bravia they look AMAZING.
You need to encode some quality videos. The built in camcorder or youtube aren't gonna do it justice.
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Picture quality is crap because your videos are encoded at a low bitrate so there gonna look pixilated.
When I recode my Blu Ray movies to x.264 720p with a high bitrate and play them back using HDMI to my Sony Bravia they look AMAZING.
You need to encode some quality videos. The built in camcorder or youtube aren't gonna do it justice.
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Every post I've read has said to use 720p setting in camera. Are you saying phone camera can't natively produce video in form consumable by hdmi? I would never use youtube as reference...but not even native vids?
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So... a Walmart TV with an HTC phone and you say the phone quality sucks? I'm confused jk bro. Haha
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Actually they were purchased at CostCo several years ago and price compared to that of others sets for most part. I wasn't aware costCo sold crap brands...not my experience with them.
Odd that my blu-ray, cable box and other hi-def input sources play beautifully on my sceptres and only the HTC has issues. Sceptre's now the problem? Hmmm...
Time to run by Fry's and see what works and what doesn't.
To those who are getting a stunning picture via hdmi...are your sets hdmi 1.4 protocol?
mklein said:
Every post I've read has said to use 720p setting in camera. Are you saying phone camera can't natively produce video in form consumable by hdmi? I would never use youtube as reference...but not even native vids?
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What I'm saying is the videos you record using the phones camcorder are encoded at a low bitrate making them look like ****. HDMI output is only as good as the source quality.
I suggest you read this as well since you seem to think that HDMI revisions automatically mean improved video quality.
http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/faq.aspx#12
The problem isn't the Evo or your TV, it's your source material. The 720p from the camcorder is compressed so much that it doesn't look that good.
Encode a movie using a high bitrate (somewhere around 5000), and it'll look good. Just like mine do.
Dude, I was kidding. lol
What about streaming videos from something like mPlayer? Those also look like sh*t, as the OP mentioned. Is that a tv problem or is that a "bitrate" problem?
Thanks for the help all.
After installing handbrake to convert some trailers I am finally seeing a not-so-****ty picture. The whole re-encoding thing bites hard though. Who really has time to convert all their **** or even wants to do it selectively? I know I don't.
The fact that the device isn't capable of creating its own hdmi content is pretty bad and somewhat misleading: 720P on vidcam app during record....720P hdmi signal out per notification window...sounds like a match to me!
For all "practical" purposes the hdmi port is fubar.
#1 You don't get desktop 'experience' on hdmi out
#2 Feature doesn't come for "free", apps must be individually hdmi-enabled (yeah right)...so no TermSrvr or VNC
#3 Device can't create videos for clean hdmi playback (at least with native 720p vid recording app)
where are you guys getting your HDMI cables? last time I checked monoprice didn't stock them.
mklein said:
For all "practical" purposes the hdmi port is fubar.
#1 You don't get desktop 'experience' on hdmi out
#2 Feature doesn't come for "free", apps must be individually hdmi-enabled (yeah right)...so no TermSrvr or VNC
#3 Device can't create videos for clean hdmi playback (at least with native 720p vid recording app)
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Agree. The hdmi out is wasted space on this phone. If it worked, this thing would be the hub of my media center! Especially with stuff like JetFlix streaming in crisp hi-def to the t.v. But, no. With the quality as-is, I don't see myself ever using it.
I suppose I could encode existing movies for playback, but why would I use my phone to store them? I'd just burn a dvd or bring a external hard drive. At that point, I'd just be using my phone to watch them on a plane or something, and you don't need an HDMI port for that.
But this isn't a dealbreaker for me. I still love the phone.
I wanted to see if anyone has been able to have by default high res youtube playback on 3g connection. I know that the youtube app will play higher resolution over wifi but on my old htc devices I was able to stream high definition over 3g.
I'm also intersted in this.
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I wanted to see if anyone has been able to have by default high res youtube playback on 3g connection. I know that the youtube app will play higher resolution over wifi but on my old htc devices I was able to stream high definition over 3g.
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any other word on this. Will there have to be ann app for it. It sux having to watch the awful quality.
this reminds me of the my old iPhone3g,,,, it sucks having to watch youtube in that kind of resolution,,, and with the phone not supporting flash yet... there is no other option
Bump again for this topic. I'm surprised it's not talked about more.
I just came from a Samsung Captivate and it has an option to run video in HD. It took a little longer to load the film, but was well worth it!
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Bump again for this topic. I'm surprised it's not talked about more.
I just came from a Samsung Captivate and it has an option to run video in HD. It took a little longer to load the film, but was well worth it!
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Yes, just people with HTC devices are able to watch HQ videos...
That sucks! I would have just gotten the HTC Surround if it didn't look so cheap and have such bad reviews.
We can only hope that either MS or a developer can come up with some software to fix this... as I wouldn't see this as being a hardware issue.
Buy a "RealTube" app, works fine on any handset.