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WM 6.5 - It's a joke!

It does not come with the latest .NET!
The "honeycomb" start menu is a display of idiocy gone rampant
No apparent way of altering icon-size
send to top - send down only options for arranging icons
send down only sends to where icon used to be
send to top sends ALL the way - an item in a folder is not sent to top of folder but to the very top!
Too big icons, with any "not small" amount of apps, prepare for thumb-sore, coz you'll be spending a LOT of time scrolling to get to something at the bottom
Titanium - it's ugly, and when you go to Today->Elements, it has no configuration options, honestly I couldn't be bothered to check it out further.
HTC aren't too bright either....
Thank God for
wkTask (which btw causes the honey-comb to stop working after some time - who cares?)
iPhonetoday - here's the deal: Apple has a good UI idea - steal it! But noooo we need to do our own stuff - HTC Sense (is there any) - Titanium (I had one look at it - it is ugly)
HD Tweak - fixing the poo
TouchPal - now THAT's how you go about making a keyboard , HTC I'm looking at you, MS you're not even in the class!
Opera, a decent browser YAH, too bad that HTC bungles it by integrating it an idiotic way.
OPERA default reg - one man hero fixes BigCorps poo
this list needs to be longer, I am just too tired from spending a whole day upgrading and the subsequent puking and the ongoing "get stuff back to sanity" procedure
Amazing that one-man armies like the guys who did most of this stuff, individually are brighter, smarter and more clever than the combined MS collective or the drones at HTC

acebone said:
It does not come with the latest .NET!
The "honeycomb" start menu is a display of idiocy gone rampant
No apparent way of altering icon-size
send to top - send down only options for arranging icons
send down only sends to where icon used to be
send to top sends ALL the way - an item in a folder is not sent to top of folder but to the very top!
Too big icons, with any "not small" amount of apps, prepare for thumb-sore, coz you'll be spending a LOT of time scrolling to get to something at the bottom
Titanium - it's ugly, and when you go to Today->Elements, it has no configuration options, honestly I couldn't be bothered to check it out further.
HTC aren't too bright either....
Thank God for
wkTask (which btw causes the honey-comb to stop working after some time - who cares?)
iPhonetoday - here's the deal: Apple has a good UI idea - steal it! But noooo we need to do our own stuff - HTC Sense (is there any) - Titanium (I had one look at it - it is ugly)
HD Tweak - fixing the poo
TouchPal - now THAT's how you go about making a keyboard , HTC I'm looking at you, MS you're not even in the class!
Opera, a decent browser YAH, too bad that HTC bungles it by integrating it an idiotic way.
OPERA default reg - one man hero fixes BigCorps poo
this list needs to be longer, I am just too tired from spending a whole day upgrading and the subsequent puking and the ongoing "get stuff back to sanity" procedure
Amazing that one-man armies like the guys who did most of this stuff, individually are brighter, smarter and more clever than the combined MS collective or the drones at HTC
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Go somewhere else to troll.

then stick with 6.1

I'm not trolling - and if you think it is trolling, why do you repeat the whole shebang?
And no I wont stick with 6.1, why should i? I never said 6.1 was better than 6.5. In fact I think that 6.1 is crappier than 6.5.
IT JUST SO HAPPENS that I am the owner of a Topaz, I had to go windows mobile due to Exchange at work.
Gotta say this though - Battery-life with 6.5 is amazing COMPARED to 6.1. It's right up there where it is supposed to be.

JeffHowden said:
Go somewhere else to troll.
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you didn't need to quote his whole post...that's trolling in itself isn't it?
also, i don't see it as trolling. I got a very handy tip for a new keyboard i'm going to check out. (Thanks, acebone)
acebone said:
Gotta say this though - Battery-life with 6.5 is amazing COMPARED to 6.1. It's right up there where it is supposed to be.
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So i'm taking this to be WM6.5 stock? and not some cooked ROM? interesting...what battery life are you getting currently on average?

Yes. He's right and not trolling. I'm disappointed with thw new official rom too and after a day i flashed a cooked rom.

There is NOTHING wrong with the official ROM, stop whine so f-ing much will you.

no f-ing here please

I must say after testing the official rom for cuple of hours i flasht the cooked rom again. Now I hope that the chiefs will improve the speed of the roms

I am using the stock Rom Danish ROM.
About the battery life, I am not so sure that I was right. I watched today as percentages just dropped away....
It just seemed to go on and on yesterday....
And yes - check out the TouchPal keyboard. The better your language-pack for the keyboard - the better it works.
Right now I am on a very crude Danish language version I brewed myself, and it still kicks some serious b...

titanium
to be honest i think i am the only person here who actually likes the windows default one lol
i cant get the weather app to work on it though, so i need to play around
and i have found that 6.5 is faster than 6.1 by a good 10% if not more, also my battery life easily lasts a day, where as before it would make it just to the end of my working day rather than my whole day
but yeah the honey comb, move to very top is a bit smegged, as i would prefere to place things where i wanted them,

Drag-On said:
you didn't need to quote his whole post...that's trolling in itself isn't it?
also, i don't see it as trolling. I got a very handy tip for a new keyboard i'm going to check out. (Thanks, acebone)
So i'm taking this to be WM6.5 stock? and not some cooked ROM? interesting...what battery life are you getting currently on average?
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My battery life certainly feels much better. I've been messing about with WM 6.5 for about an hour. In the past, my battery would have taken a hammering. So far, it's at 80%!! That's *way* better.
I like it - it's so much more responsive. Okay, so it's not a radical change and there are still far too many "non-touch-screened" applications in there that means you still need to get the stylus out.
But for nothing, I'm happy - so far!
Cheers, Rob.

edoftech said:
to be honest i think i am the only person here who actually likes the windows default one lol
i cant get the weather app to work on it though, so i need to play around
and i have found that 6.5 is faster than 6.1 by a good 10% if not more, also my battery life easily lasts a day, where as before it would make it just to the end of my working day rather than my whole day
but yeah the honey comb, move to very top is a bit smegged, as i would prefere to place things where i wanted them,
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I like it too.... but why not make it customisable? Seems bonkers to me
And why no in-built weather plug-in?
Tony

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What I really meant is this:
The user interface in WM is OOOOOOOLD - anyone who has seen an iPhone or and Android phone knows this.
MS knows this
HTC knows this (and have jumped the Android Bandwaggon)
WM 6.5 is a joke, because it tries to convey the idea that WM is ALSO about new intuitive fingerfriendly interfaces - and what does it have to show for it? Well 'honeycomb' which might be a nice idea, only it's implemented so stupidly that it is a joke.
Titanium also - is a joke. Eyecandy with no real benefit in my opinion. And btw. it's no candy to my eyes - more like cabbage
Now some may like HTC Tou... ooops its HTC Sense now - and it is better in my opinion than titanium, but it's just not good enough.
Actually my boss explained it to me this way:
Acebone, you see the diamond2 as a computer that can also make calls, but most people see it as a phone that can also do documents and calendar
He might be right, I just don't think that WM6.5 or Sense is good enough, that's why I spend ours installing and configuring wkTask, iPhone Today, TouchPad (commercial) etc...
With these often FREE and often ONE-MAN produced tools, I am able to put together a user-interface that is
Easier to navigate
Requires fewer clicks
Takes up less memory
Reacts more quickly with less errors

the thing here is yeah its not finger freindly as android of iphone, however it has a huge range of apps behind it which have been working for ages and will still work on for a while yet, the os is old however it is that great to adapt, there are that many different type of ui that can be installed over the top, to make it suitable for people that want things their own way, android, is great, however after using it more any lenght of time, it becomes a bore, its only really a gimick rather than a work phone, which is what windows has always been aimed at,
iphone, and android are only half a phone, and expect users to buy the features that they want the phone to do, where as with windows you get a working phone, from the time, you turn it on

WM 6.5 doesn't work with old software?
Unless I have some odd problem, my Touch Diamond 2 on which i just reflashed ROM with WM 6.5 is not recognizing the entire screen in some software. It seems like the ssoftware screen goes below the bottom of the physical screen.
Also, the TouchFlo appears to be inhibiting the touch features of screen in expand/contract +/- menus.
- Email when you choose folder the expand/contract +/- menus don't respond with one press, but require a sustained hold before they expand/contract.
Some software is is not happy in WM 6.5:
- PHM RegEdit is not happy in WM 6.5 I have to hold registry keys for long time to select them and the + - to expand/collapse keys aren't working properly. I have to hold, then i have to tap the menu bar on bottom to get them to expand/collapse. Really weird. Also, the input keyboard also needs to be held long time to popup. It seems like the ssoftware screen goes below the bottom of the physical screen. Very strange.
- I noticed similar issues in WM 6.5 with Advanced Configuration Tool by Julien Schapman. It seems like the ssoftware screen goes below the bottom of the physical screen. Selecting +/- menus requires sustained selection of folder, then i have to tap the menu bar on bottom to get them to expand/collapse. Really weird.
I wonder if these are .NET issues with older software or something like that?
Also, is anyone else noticing the new TouchFlow finger swipe direction is reversed from before? For example, in Email and PIE you have to swipe finger down to make page scroll up. Before you swiped finger up to make page scroll up! its different and is taking some getting used to. Its counterintuitive!
I am too am seriously thnking of going back to 6.1 .. now if I can just figure out how to do that ..... (anyone?)

sounds like an issue to me with the software, try and reflash it, im not getting any of those issue, but i haven't used touch flo/sense for that long

it was something I installed
I did some experimenting adding software one at a time after fresh ROM flash.
Looks like "Zoom Bar & Scroll" is the culprit ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=518367
Too bad bc this was a great little tool .. it worked beautifully in WM 6.1. BUt in 6.5 it screws up +/- expand collapse of menus (eg in Email, or PHM Regedit, etc) and also appears to reverse the scroll inside PIE, Email, and other windows.
I'll leave the same message on the Zoom Bar & Scroll thread to let the developer know.

6.1
if you are wanting to go back to 6.1 i still have the stock rom saved on my hard drive incase i needed it

HTC messaging App

is it supposed to be this slow???
i'm restoring 500 odd texts using pim backup and once i have sent a text it seems to take upwards of 2 mins to get back to the home screen.
is it that the new messaging app just isnt supposed to be used with the Touch HD, or is it that i'm expecting too much of it to cope with 500 texts?

I personally think that htc has made htc messaging incompatible with our older chipsets, to stop developers porting sence 2.5 to older devices, maybe im wrong but im sure it works better on the HD 2

mancsoulja said:
I personally think that htc has made htc messaging incompatible with our older chipsets, to stop developers porting sence 2.5 to older devices, maybe im wrong but im sure it works better on the HD 2
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You may also find that the snapdragon processor on the HD2 is the reason why its faster

Fallen Spartan said:
You may also find that the snapdragon processor on the HD2 is the reason why its faster
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eactly spartan but our msm chipset are easly capable of running an app like htc messaging, i ment that i think htc have purposly made this app incompatible with chipsets older than snapdragon to prevent sence or part of sence being ported to older devices lol

ok, i can appreciate that snapdrage is much faster in terms of its processing power and speed.
what i dont understand is this.
am i the only one having this problem??
if i'm not, and its acknowledged that its too slow, why are chefs putting it in?
surley the whole idea behind most custom ROM's is that they are leaner and faster then the stock rom. if thats the case, why put something in thats slow to the point of being unuseable?

sning said:
ok, i can appreciate that snapdrage is much faster in terms of its processing power and speed.
what i dont understand is this.
am i the only one having this problem??
if i'm not, and its acknowledged that its too slow, why are chefs putting it in?
surley the whole idea behind most custom ROM's is that they are leaner and faster then the stock rom. if thats the case, why put something in thats slow to the point of being unuseable?
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nope we all have the same problem lol
some chefs make roms with sence 2.5, with versions without htc messaging, but ofcourse there are always people that will moan because they have taken it out so they cant win lol the best way to keep it running smoothly it to empty ur inbox after maybe 10-15 text like i do but some people like to keep them inint lol

here is a link to XannyTech's latest rom, with sence 2.5 but with htc messaging taken owt
http://rapidshare.com/files/305257043/XT_GRIDLEO_2_1.rar

i'm one of the fussy ones i'm afraid.
i did install the Xannytech rom without the messaging installed, but i didnt like it to be honest.
is there any reason why the new sense cant be used with an older version of the messaging application which works better/faster?

sning said:
i'm one of the fussy ones i'm afraid.
i did install the Xannytech rom without the messaging installed, but i didnt like it to be honest.
is there any reason why the new sense cant be used with an older version of the messaging application which works better/faster?
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im afraid thats waaaaaay owta my field of knowledge you will have to ask a chef about that, but i agree i think it would be great if someone could make a rom with sence 2.5 and the messaging app from 2.1
where is sherif spartan hiding lol maybe he knows

hope someone does, i dont really want to go back to WM6.1 to get a "working" rom

I can confirm it's slow on the HTC HD2 .. ( I just got it this morning ).
I have a contact with > 500 messages, and it took me around 20 seconds to even load the keyboard to reply the sms.
Dunno whether it is just me ... I just stumbled upon this thread..

techdave said:
I can confirm it's slow on the HTC HD2 .. ( I just got it this morning ).
I have a contact with > 500 messages, and it took me around 20 seconds to even load the keyboard to reply the sms.
Dunno whether it is just me ... I just stumbled upon this thread..
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Well thats cheered me up must be the app then, hopefully HTC will sort it out then we can rob it for our HD's lol

im tempted to revert to a non htc messaging rom...it really is starting to bother me when trying to quick reply to txt messages

I've been experiencing this SMS issue for quite some time and I'm really getting annoyed. Not at the chef's, not at the rom's but at HTC's messaging app.
What is slowing it down so much? My old PC with 233MHz could run windows XP (just mind you) so why can't this 500MHz not run a simple task of, grab all sms's for the contact, display on screen and allow quick sms replies?
I'm sick of people reporting on ROM's that their Twitter doesn't work or god forbid the music landscape mode doesn't display the buttons properly at the bottom.
At the end of the day, this is a mobile phone with 'smart capabilities' but shouldn't we concentrate on the more important things, the simple tasks that it should be capable of without a 1GHz processor.
Saving a contact without creating an Unknown one automatically and forcing you to go through and EDIT it. (Experienced this with some ROMs)
The theory of HTC purposely doing something on purpose so that some aspects of Manilla 2.5 don't work on 'older' devices doesn't sound bad anymore.
Also, I've started a few discussions on this unfortunate messaging issue and haven't gotten anywhere with them, it's as if people use the HTC just for twitter and facebook Maybe get an iPhone since it's made for useless junk.

i dont know why you guys are so obsessed with keeping your HD's so uptodate with updates that arent even meant for the device itself.. not to cut down on any of the amazing work the chefs do around here but i think they should've stopped since manila 2.5 came out. the cooked roms for manila 2 with windows 6.1 are so great and with it you expect your basic phone functions to work like it should plus all the other aspect you use your phone in. I am a happy owner of an HD with onkolgic ROM manila 2 6.1 windows mobile and i could not imagine myself flashing another rom after this one since I dont see the device getting any better than what it is right now. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=525307
those who are experiencing troubles with their new flashed roms should really consider going a step back to the software that was meant for our device and accept it's limited capabilities though i dont see myself falling behind.. for now

sorry for the double post but i am so happy with my device i had to show you guys a picture or two lol.. anyway and forgot to say that my device it totally bug free and what more can i ask for..

Very well said inspireme87!!! So much geeks leecher who cannot stop to flash ROMs of geek cookers who are obssessed with the newest brand new version of any useless app... and forgot the essential needs : stability and reactivity!
You all talk-sh***ers should looking for this compromise instead of always flashing the newest ****...
MOD EDIT - Removed inappropriate language

It's bugged the HTC Messaging app, even on the HD2 users are experiencing a LOT of lag with many SMS stored and sometimes it doesn't send the SMS but keep them in the outgoing folder until the next softreset.
So keep the finger crossed and let's wait for a fix from HTC!

inspireme87 said:
sorry for the double post but i am so happy with my device i had to show you guys a picture or two lol.. anyway and forgot to say that my device it totally bug free and what more can i ask for..
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Oh, so you have to tap twice to launch a favourite app? I hope you tap two times twice as fast since I only tap once.

Ogredani said:
Oh, so you have to tap twice to launch a favourite app? I hope you tap two times twice as fast since I only tap once.
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didnt realize this was a competition.. most important thing is everyones happy, right

The rubbishness of windows comes through very quickly

I got a bit suckered by all the good reviews for this phone on so many websites and bought it yesterday. I've had a long time [misplaced] affection for windows phones. I say misplaced because every single model I've owned has let me down.
The sense interface is great. Windows is not. I've just made 16 attempts at trying to login to windows live, struggling each time to input a 20 char secure password on the dinky keyboard and when i finally got the password right, i succeeded in invoking the 'too many failed logins' mode of windows live. Nice.
why is this stuff so difficult for windows mobile phones? why does the phone not go into landscape mode for EVERY application? why is that so difficult to implement? Why did HTC not put a bloody switch for landscape mode? you have a wide screen which would make an onscreen keyborad far more friendly yet you're still stuck trying to hit the 'sweet spot' on a portrait-mode keyboard!??! Not only are you stuck in portait mode but you no longer have a stylus to help you hit those keys!
The initial WOW factor has disappeared for me and I've only had the phone for a day!
can someone help me with some tips on landscape mode? is there some way i can map one of the hard keys to be a landscape mode switch? or some software that does something similar?
thanks!

Install BSB Tweaks this allows landscape for any appplication
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=589305

I tried but didn't seem to work for me. maybe i was doing something wrong?
i enabled the tickbox for IE and after the soft reset i tried running it but it did nothing when i rotated the screen. Am I missing something here?

try using Gyrator .. It works on every application

aloms said:
can someone help me with some tips on landscape mode? is there some way i can map one of the hard keys to be a landscape mode switch? or some software that does something similar?
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I've just made an app that does just that. Have a look at PLToggle in my sig.

Calm down mate, trust me, windows mobile is by far the best OS out there for mobiles. The only reason everyone prefers the iphone is because of its usability, apart from that theres not much you can do but 'get an app for that', however thanks to this forum, you can do almost anything with a windows mobile device, especially one as powerful as the leo. You just need to get used to it, if sense is bugging you, get spb shell or another ui. And of course theres gonna be loads of problems with it, its pretty new, but its good points strongly outway its bad points (oh and might I add, you'll be getting all your tech support from this site, not htc, trust me), so just give it some time and you'll realise, after 'making it yours' how awesome a phone it is.
If the keyboard isnt doing it for you, download a new one! (thats the great thing about winmo) the two popular ones at the moment are swype ( a completely different style of keyboard) or finger keyboard. I personally like the one htc supply you with, heres a tweak taken from this thread which will lower the sensitivy of the screen which makes typing much easier. Alternatively, bsb tweaks can do this all for you from its menu.
Oh and about the rotate thing, on xanny tech's pandora rom, he has a little execuatable file in the start menu with rotates everything, and its mapped to a long press of the send key, so thats pretty useful, im not running his rom anymore but if you know anything about flashing, flash his first, its very good indeed and has lots of tweaks and useful stuff preinstalled.
Hope that helps a little, if not just ask

thanks for your help mate. having bought into a 24 month contract I'm pretty much stuck with getting to learn the phone whether i like it or not.

aloms said:
thanks for your help mate. having bought into a 24 month contract I'm pretty much stuck with getting to learn the phone whether i like it or not.
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I agree with [★]. Once you know it better, you'll get to love it. There's so much under the hood of this thing that yes, you'll find a few things that you don't like, but they'll be outweighed by the things that you do

aloms said:
The sense interface is great. Windows is not. I've just made 16 attempts at trying to login to windows live, struggling each time to input a 20 char secure password on the dinky keyboard and when i finally got the password right, i succeeded in invoking the 'too many failed logins' mode of windows live. Nice
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You, Sir, need to check out my thread, which would surely have come up if you had used the search function. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5197442 Windows Live/Hotmail etc seem to only take 16 characters. Anything after that is ignored. But the Windows Live application on mobile accepts more than 16 and will try and authenticate with everything you type in. 20 character password will not work. Reduce your pass to 16 characters or less and it should work. Post back in this thread to let me know if this sorts your issue out.

If it's a keyboard you're after then try Swype. Have a search for it. I too had a lot of sensitivity problems with the keyboard and it would take ages to type a simple email. Swype solved that. It's a lot less sensitive than the native keyboard and I used SIP to make it my default. In terms of landscape mode, try using Opera instead of IE (although Opera lacks flash). BSB Tweaks will handle the rest although I don't use it myself.
Trust me, stick with the phone and, with a few tweaks to have it running how you like it, you won't look back!

Just return the darn phone, smack it to the floor and trample it good, or learn to use it since you've bought it. Please save yourself over a high blood pressure leading to a stroke, my friend. It's only a phone.. (but then there's always iPhones for usability's sake, whatever it means)

aloms said:
The initial WOW factor has disappeared for me and I've only had the phone for a day!
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Ok, you need to calm down a tad. Ok, the phone is not perfect. However, there is endless configurability for the phone. The best thing you could ever have done was to come to this site where there is a tweak for almost anything.
Sit down, fasten your seatbelt and take a look around. You need an open mind. The HD2 is no iphone. It's the iphone killer. Just needs a little tweaking that's all.
Alternatively, you could ditch it and join the bandwagon, I mean iphone!

Try Swype, best KB I hve used on a phone, my mate with an Iphone thought it was great and was going to look for it for the Iphone, once tweaked the HD2 is the best mob by far!
I was doubtful when I first had it like you say I thought I should have gone for the Iphone but now I am so happy with it

Windows is rubbish because of the HTC keyboard?? Ok...
Isnt the whole ADVANTAGE of winmo that if you dont like something you can change it?

The advantage of WinMo is the tweaking and Office Mobile My wife had a HTC Hero for 2 months and at the end she begged me to get her a new Windows Phone because the freaking Android won't open rich text format files (unfortunately in her job she is obliged to use rtf as standart file format) without great hassle even with all possible office replacements I cound find on the net. Not to speak of that, that even the enhanced HTC mail client for Android can't open messages that are sent from mail.bg (a very popular bulgarian web mail service). That was the end for Android

Hotmail mail on the HD1 was a pain, same on the HD2. Gmail is working perfectly though which is very annoying when like me, you use Hotmail on your desktop to access your Gmail emails...

aloms said:
I got a bit suckered by all the good reviews for this phone on so many websites and bought it yesterday. I've had a long time [misplaced] affection for windows phones. I say misplaced because every single model I've owned has let me down.
The sense interface is great. Windows is not. I've just made 16 attempts at trying to login to windows live, struggling each time to input a 20 char secure password on the dinky keyboard and when i finally got the password right, i succeeded in invoking the 'too many failed logins' mode of windows live. Nice.
why is this stuff so difficult for windows mobile phones? why does the phone not go into landscape mode for EVERY application? why is that so difficult to implement? Why did HTC not put a bloody switch for landscape mode? you have a wide screen which would make an onscreen keyborad far more friendly yet you're still stuck trying to hit the 'sweet spot' on a portrait-mode keyboard!??! Not only are you stuck in portait mode but you no longer have a stylus to help you hit those keys!
The initial WOW factor has disappeared for me and I've only had the phone for a day!
can someone help me with some tips on landscape mode? is there some way i can map one of the hard keys to be a landscape mode switch? or some software that does something similar?
thanks!
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First of all get rid of that IDIOTIC iPhone imitation keyboard and replace it with the divine fingerkeyboard from xda.
And then deactivate the utterly unpredictive xt9 "predictive" (more like vindictive) text input.
I did these steps and now I can FINALLY type.
An $800 phone and it takes a donationware sw keyboard to make it usable

Aloms - I had the same problem with my Ipod Touch in the beginning. Don't worry, you will get use to it. BTW HD2 keyboard is better especially in landscape

I will join this thread with my three questions.
I have converted to the dark side and bought iPhone 3GS after having gone through a lot of phones and OSes. I have given up on WinMo (using HTC Pro) basically because of 3 issues:
1. Phone app in the sense of its responsiveness. I mean, someone is calling - first 2 seconds the hardware buttons light up, next 2 seconds the phone starts to vibrate, next 2 seconds there is a sound. Is it happening on the HD2 too? How responsive is it? Plus does it have a good gsm reception? With my HTC Pro I had to keep on testing different radio roms and have not been satisfied ever...
2. When you use HD2 say 4-5 days or longer, does it slow down over time. I mean especially when you use contacts with 1000 entries etc, or is it instant?
3. On a brand new HD2 just charged, when you load in your 1000 contacts, does it have an instant search of a contact in the contacts app? Or an email address in the "To" section when you want to write an email?
Frankly speaking, HD2 looks very tempting, but I am afraid mainly of the 3 above areas and am thinking to wait for Windows 7 or something?
PS. HTC Pro is still with me, but in the drawer...

OliveUK said:
Hotmail mail on the HD1 was a pain, same on the HD2.
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I've had a Diamond, a HD, and now a HD2 and I can say with 100% confidence that I never had 1 single problem with Hotmail. I've seen a very small number of users on here with issues and every single one of them has turned out to be user error.
I suggest the same in this instance as it works flawlessly when set up correctly, which 99.9% of users do.

Almost sold my HTC Touch Pro 2 but ...

Almost sold my HTC TP2 but SOMETHING told me to wait .. Problem was I was not happy with anything about it except the quality and feel ... I have been using the iphone for over a year now. got so used to that who interface. Someone said try the SPB Mobile shell .. I did .. had an old version from I don't know how many years ago .. Didn't do it for me ... then I went to see what the latest looked like .. WHAT AN IMPROVEMENT .. After than I installed the idial pad and the icontacts freeware and my phone I believe is going to pass up my iphone. I will be passing that to my son. There are a few apps that I will miss but I might find a replacement if I keep looking .. The most missed will be the program for looking at my eBay auctions and second is something called Glucose Buddy .. iphone just makes things so simple ..

gladd that u searched and did some mods and u love your phone. cuz i do to.

Hmm... why did you get the tp2 if you had an iPhone?

DOUBLE POST .. hmmm .. how did I do that ?

I bought it because I like windows mobile .. I don't like paying to put music on my phone, I don't like paying for ringtones... on too many occasions I paid for something and it got lost ??? I don't know how, but whatever was just GONE and couldn't get it back... ON and ON ... I wish WinMo would react to touch a little better, more like the iphone, but it is close enough.
ALSO: I am a gadget-a-holic. I saw one that someone had and just had to have it ..

theonlynickleft said:
I bought it because I like windows mobile .. I don't like paying to put music on my phone, I don't like paying for ringtones... on too many occasions I paid for something and it got lost ??? I don't know how, but whatever was just GONE and couldn't get it back... ON and ON ... I wish WinMo would react to touch a little better, more like the iphone, but it is close enough.
ALSO: I am a gadget-a-holic. I saw one that someone had and just had to have it ..
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You're.gonna love it a little more...try these two cabs...
yes, I can count...got a little carried away...

telegraph0000 said:
You're.gonna love it a little more...try these two cabs...
yes, I can count...got a little carried away...
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hey telegraph, I know all those cabs except one...could you give a brief description of the HTC small menus cab? I think I know what it does, but want to be sure

sirphunkee said:
hey telegraph, I know all those cabs except one...could you give a brief description of the HTC small menus cab? I think I know what it does, but want to be sure
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It makes the menu in file explorer all fit in one screen...stock and some roms make the menu finger friendly, where you have to scroll up and down to see the rest of the menu options.

At the risk of sounding like I should have my phone taken away from me and replaced with an old Nokia or Motorola .. Is there a ROM that would transform this phone into an iphone sort of ?? What I miss the most is that with the iphone there is no digging. There is an icon for settings and the rest of the icons are applications .. I like that because I feel lost every time I pick this phone up .. Yesterday I had to go somewhere and didn't want to have that, "how do I ??" look on my face so I put my sim in my iphone and left my HTC at home ..
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theonlynickleft said:
At the risk of sounding like I should have my phone taken away from me and replaced with an old Nokia or Motorola .. Is there a ROM that would transform this phone into an iphone sort of ?? What I miss the most is that with the iphone there is no digging. There is an icon for settings and the rest of the icons are applications .. I like that because I feel lost every time I pick this phone up .. Yesterday I had to go somewhere and didn't want to have that, "how do I ??" look on my face so I put my sim in my iphone and left my HTC at home ..
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Every Sense 2.5 rom offers you today screen with roll-up-applications-on-a-screen (specially Cookie`s amazing Home Tab + editor), plus every important notifiaction on a screen. If you don`t wanna change your rom, you can install Iphone today, it gives you exactly same screen interface like Iphoney - no digging, just taping and you getin` there. Check it out:forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=508429.

Thanks for the iphone today skin info. I installed it and I am tweaking this and that .. I know windows mobile people hate hearing "I love my iphone." But I will say this .. I HATE THE FACT THAT I LOVE IT .. but I miss all the other bennys that come with owning something OTHER than the iphone .. I am now happy to have the best of both worlds.
Lately my eyes are getting older [ I AM NOT THOUGH ] and I have a hard time with windows mobile, especially making calls while driving. So don't get me wrong people .. I love Windows Mobile. I love HTC phones .. I hate Apple ANYTHING .. but I not only WANT but NEED the big icons etc that I have on my iphone .. I hope to be selling my iphone or giving it to my son if he still wants it, in the near future .. He is actually talking about getting the HTC HD2 I think ..

well i know that you can increase the text size but i myself never really did check to see if it did work since i can see but go under settings -> system -> screen. then go to the text size and adjust it from there. not sure if it would work or not but hope it does do the trick for ya

You can configure SPB Mobile Shell 3.5.3's home screen to be almost a dead ringer for iPhone. I understand the thing about picking up the phone and feeling lost, but only when I'm supremely inebriated, sleepy, or trippin' pretty hard. I got SPB set up with 3 pages of quicklinks for 95% of the things I do with my phone. I like to leave the stuff that can temporarily bork the phone in a place that has to be dug out to find...

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You can configure SPB Mobile Shell 3.5.3's home screen to be almost a dead ringer for iPhone. I understand the thing about picking up the phone and feeling lost, but only when I'm supremely inebriated, sleepy, or trippin' pretty hard. I got SPB set up with 3 pages of quicklinks for 95% of the things I do with my phone. I like to leave the stuff that can temporarily bork the phone in a place that has to be dug out to find...
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There is also an exact shell replacement that mimics the upcoming WM7.

[Q] Sms sent lag, HELP

Hello all, I have a big issue with this tilt 2 and that is the sms sent and pressing "X" to go back in the inbox of sms messages, it lags for a good 10-20 and sometimes the whole screen would freeze up because of this.
So I recently bought a tilt 2 and the seller told me he flashed it to a new rom which whenever I turn the phone on, it says Energy Rom so does anyone have a solution to this sms sent lag other than deleting all text messages daily, please help!
Thank you all in advance for your time and suggestions!

Sending a TXT isn't instant... it takes a little bit to log in, transmit, and finish sending the TXT message.. that is most likely the 10-20 sec of "lag" you are experiancing... I use the Energy line of roms myself... and I feel they are the best over all roms out there... period.

Teej53214 said:
Sending a TXT isn't instant... it takes a little bit to log in, transmit, and finish sending the TXT message.. that is most likely the 10-20 sec of "lag" you are experiancing... I use the Energy line of roms myself... and I feel they are the best over all roms out there... period.
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And it has nothing to do with the crappy htc sms client? come on it isn't normal that you have to wait 10-20 seconds when you send a sms.

Lennyz1988 said:
And it has nothing to do with the crappy htc sms client? come on it isn't normal that you have to wait 10-20 seconds when you send a sms.
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I'd have to agree. A SMS is about 1/7th of a kilobyte and a kilobyte is practically nothing. Sending a SMS doesn't cause a lag. I've been sending SMS since 1998 and WM wasn't even an option back then. It's all Microsoft and their crap OS.

I have to agree, it is the crappy htc sms client to blame, so I'm guessing noone have found a solution to this yet? Have you guys tried to hotfix from htc site?
I owned the tilt 1 and there was no lag at all in sms.

Ok, this is going to sound stupid but I'm not familiar with these types of ROM, such as Energy Rom. Is that the same as Manila 2.5? Or are they completely different?

Girli3e said:
Ok, this is going to sound stupid but I'm not familiar with these types of ROM, such as Energy Rom. Is that the same as Manila 2.5? Or are they completely different?
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I can help you picking a rom and flashing, just pm me

Its hard to belive that you guys are gaetting that much lag,im running stock everything WM6.5,ive checked speeds with various people and the most i get is 5seconds of lag.
of course if i have running apps,and im not overclocked it hesitates a little..

Outlaw78a said:
Its hard to belive that you guys are gaetting that much lag,im running stock everything WM6.5,ive checked speeds with various people and the most i get is 5seconds of lag.
of course if i have running apps,and im not overclocked it hesitates a little..
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And what version of sense do you use? 2.1?

@ Lennyz1988
I tried to PM you, are you getting my messages?
Can you help me please

Girli3e said:
@ Lennyz1988
I tried to PM you, are you getting my messages?
Can you help me please
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What Exactly Do You Need Help With?
Maybe I Could Try To Help You.

I am attempting to change the interface on my tilt 2 to android or something else so the sms in threaded mode won't lag and plus im tired of the WinMo appearance. =)
Thank you for your time!

Hi I have the same problem as you and it drives me crazy. tell me if im correct: You are complaining about the fact that after you press x to close a threaded text conversation it lags getting back to the inbox. On mine everything changes back to the inbox except for the top of the screen and then it just sits there till it eventually goes bqck. Your not reffering to how long it takes for you friend to receive the text, correct? Ive tired installing the most current sms program from htc that was taking from another phone and although it looked much niicer and had some cool features it didnt work right and i had to switch back. Maybe somone reading this can suggest something. It sdriving me crazy. as far as changing from the windows look which either you mean what they call titanium which is that homescreen where you have everything in alist and you can scroll up and own through it or do you you mean what they call touch flo or sense where you move along the bottom of the screen through tabs? either way i would highly recomend spb mobile shell which will make your phone similar to android layout. It works great and is reqally easy to customize everything. or at least touch flo/sense with what they call cookies home tab which helps you customize your home screen. Let me know whcih one you have and which one you want and ill help you. I dont know how to program but i do know how to use the phone well, and customize it thanks to all the developers here who provide us with so much to do it with.

@ swaters3, yes that is exactly the probably with sms, it takes forever to go back to inbox screen and it freezes up. I'm not should what layout I have but its WinMo and the previously owner changed the rom the Energy Rom, if that matters. As for the Android layout, I heard I can do a dual boot where I can keep both WinMo and Android on the tilt 2. I was thinking, if I can boot to android that the sms will function right. As of now, I am still stuck with tilt 2 lagging sms threaded mode. Frustrating.

Do you hava a lot of sms or e-mail saved on the phone? That can cause it to bog down.

Yeah, but I originally owned the tilt 1 and had over 4,000 text message and encounter no problem sending out text messages.

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@ swaters3, yes that is exactly the probably with sms, it takes forever to go back to inbox screen and it freezes up. I'm not should what layout I have but its WinMo and the previously owner changed the rom the Energy Rom, if that matters. As for the Android layout, I heard I can do a dual boot where I can keep both WinMo and Android on the tilt 2. I was thinking, if I can boot to android that the sms will function right. As of now, I am still stuck with tilt 2 lagging sms threaded mode. Frustrating.
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i wish someone could help us with the lag, lately ive just learnt to be patient, though that is a little ridiculous. There is a sms program from htc (thecompany that makes the phone) that is much nicer and did not have the lag. I did have some other issues but maybe it will work for you. Search in xda for updated htc sms app and see if you can find it. as far as anroid goes I am trying to get mine to work properly and have still not got it to connect to sprint. Its a work in progress and not everything works so i dont think you would want to switch to it permanently. Give it a shot though its very cool and gets better every few days. As of know I think the camera is still not working but most everything else is. I would recomend spb mobile shell. watch some videos on youtube although you will be able to customize it yourself completely. Youll need to play with it to figure out how to customize it but its pretty easy just drag and drop type of stuff with anything on the phone. It looks and works like android but youll still be suing windows mobile. Its works great for me and i wouldnt be able to keep this phone if not for it. I hope that helps.