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What the hell is EDGE?

I can't find a straight answer. What is EDGE. Does it just mean 3G?
What is UTMS? what are relevant to me in the UK
thanks
Lewis

BigDamHero said:
I can't find a straight answer. What is EDGE. Does it just mean 3G?
What is UTMS? what are relevant to me in the UK
thanks
Lewis
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let's read the post under mine, Thanks

from www.wikipedia.org
EDGE:
Enhanced Data rates for GSM Evolution (EDGE) is a digital mobile phone technology which acts as a bolt-on enhancement to 2G and 2.5G (a.k.a.GPRS(General Packet Radio Service)) networks. This technology works in TDMA and GSM networks. EDGE (also known as EGPRS) is a superset to GPRS and can function on any network with GPRS deployed on it (provided the carrier implements the necessary upgrades).
EDGE provides Enhanced GPRS (EGPRS), which can be used for any packet switched applications such as an Internet connection. High-speed data applications such as video services and other multimedia benefit from EGPRS' increased data capacity.
UMTS:
Universal Mobile Telecommunications System (UMTS) is one of the third-generation (3G) mobile phone technologies. It uses W-CDMA as the underlying standard, is standardized by the 3GPP, and represents the European/Japanese answer to the ITU IMT-2000 requirements for 3G Cellular radio systems.
UMTS is not the only 3G technology used. CDMA-2000_1x-EvDO is an alternative to UMTS. CDMA2000-1X-EVDO has been deployed commercially nationwide in Japan since December 2003 with transfer rates of 2.4Mbit/s, which is about 6 times faster than UMTS in the first development stage in major cities of Europe (around 2005). PHS, which is widely deployed in Japan, China, and other areas of Asia, also achieves similarly high data transmission rates and therefore is a strong competitor in the market place to UMTS networks. Data connections at wLAN locations (Hot Spots) also compete with UMTS in urban centers.
To differentiate UMTS from competing network technologies, UMTS is sometimes marketed as 3GSM, emphasizing the combination of the 3G nature of the technology and the GSM standard which it was designed to succeed.

Understanding EDGE and UMTS
EDGE is considered 2.5G.
It's average download speed is 70-135 kilobits per second (Kbps), and it's burst speed is up to 200 Kbps. It's more than 3 times the speed of GPRS, and nearly twice the speed of CDMA 1xRTT (Verizon Wireless' Express Network before EV-DO).
In the USA, EDGE has already been rolled out to Cingular's network and just now to T-Mobile's network.
The HTC Wizard is EDGE ready, Class B. Class B means it can take voice or data, but not both simultaneously. Depending on the wireless carrier, you will likely drop (or suspend) a data session if an incoming call comes in.
UMTS is considered 3G.
It's average speed is 220-320 Kbps, with a burst speed of 384 Kbps. It's about 8 times the speed of GPRS.
From what I hear about the UK, they have skipped over EDGE and gone straight to UMTS. In the USA, UMTS is currently rolled out in very few select cities and on a different frequency than UK, which makes the JASJAR's new UMTS capability incompatible with USA-based wireless carriers. However, the US military is planning to give up the 2100 MHz frequency in 2007 for bidding, in which it may then be taken for use on wireless carriers for 3G or future technology.
UMTS devices cannot use EDGE technology, and vice versa. If you have a UMTS device and the carrier supports EDGE and GPRS, you will drop down to GPRS for data connections. If you have an EDGE device and the carrier supports UMTS and GPRS, you will also drop down to GPRS for data connections.
Remember, the above speeds are provided in kilobits per second (Kbps). Divide the number by 8 and you'll get the theoretical maximum speed in kilobytes per second (KBps, note the capital B), a number you'll be more familiar with in, i.e. download dialog box in your browser. EDGE 200 Kbps = 25 KBps, UMTS 384 Kbps = 48 KBps. It might not seem like a lot, but don't forget compression, the fact that you're on a mobile device. For example, a 4MB download (the average size of an MP3 file) can be downloaded in 1:30-2:00, given the maximum throughput of 48 KBps.
More information here:
http://www.3g-generation.com/gprs_and_edge.htm
http://www.cingular.com/midtolarge/umts
http://www.cingular.com/midtolarge/edge

No UK Mobile operators use EDGE , all on there 3G service use UMTS.

EDGE
I was wondering... Is EDGE free??? Or do you have to like buy a plan for it or something???

yes you have to be on a data plan such as Cingular’s PDA connect for $45 per month...T-mobile is similar but $50 per month. I have read that there are ways around using PDA connect and use MediaNet unlimited for only $20 per month.

EDGE
Thanks FRYMAN. I was thinking about getting a Blackberry 7105t. But is there anyway to somehow use the phone as a modem for my laptop for free? Like by somehow getting around it or some program?

dreadlord369 said:
Thanks FRYMAN. I was thinking about getting a Blackberry 7105t. But is there anyway to somehow use the phone as a modem for my laptop for free? Like by somehow getting around it or some program?
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Unfortunately nothing these days is really free.
--M

I guess some things can be FREE
dreadlord369 said:
Thanks FRYMAN. I was thinking about getting a Blackberry 7105t. But is there anyway to somehow use the phone as a modem for my laptop for free? Like by somehow getting around it or some program?
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looks like there is a way around it now...check out this thread for us t-mobile.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=288844

fryman said:
yes you have to be on a data plan such as Cingular’s PDA connect for $45 per month...T-mobile is similar but $50 per month. I have read that there are ways around using PDA connect and use MediaNet unlimited for only $20 per month.
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t-mobile's is not $50. It's only $30 for total internet plan. or the basic internet plan is only $5.99.

Edge is 4-5 times faster than GPRS...

HSDPA - International Roadmaps

As we are an international community here I'd like to use the "collective brain" of this forum to get a screenshot of the HSDPA roadmaps of mobile operators worldwide.
So I'd like to ask everybody herewith to contribute on the HSDPA plans of the operators in your home countries.
To start this thread here the status within Austria:
Country: Austria - AT
Operator: Mobilkom Austria
Launch of HSDPA: now
Device promoted: Vodafone Mobile Connect Card
Special Price Plans: no
Data Price Plans: yes (e.g. 500MB for EUR 29)

Sounds like you on of the first in the west to get it. South Africa (Vodacom) will launch on 2 April 2006.

I am currently in Israel, and as far as I understand from the media - Orange Israel (one of the local GSM providers), has announced that HSDPA is currently operated by them.

In Germany both T-Mobile and vodafone offer HSDPA since CeBIT, and seem to also offer a PC card for it.

USA
USA has HSPDA however it is tuned to the 1900mhz band so it doesn't work

SPAIN
What is HSPDA¿

hspda
hspda is a next gen of 3g that will eventually support high bandwidth however they are diffrent technologies and hspda in the usa runs on the 1900mhz band. These are both UTMS.

Moving to Australia from UK in a few months - buy X1a or X1i?

Hi,
I currently live in the UK and I will be moving to Australia in a few months.
I'd like to buy an X1 but even after spending hours on the net trying to find an answer, I can't decide what's the best version to buy to enjoy 3G in Oz and Europe: X1a or X1i?
I will be living in Sydney, but ideally I'd like to have good 3G coverage in all major east coast cities (X1i 900MHz OK?), and possibly in the countryside (X1a 850MHz mandatory?). It's also hard to tell which network provider is best (coverage, price) when you don't live there...
Please could you give me your opinion?
That would be great if you live in Australia and can advise accordingly
This post and the associated thread are good, but I still can't really decide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3409009&postcount=15
Many thanks in advance,
Seb

I was in Australia 3 weeks ago and X1i worked just fine there. No idea about 3G, but I would say it all depends on the provider and how well they cover it.

Both the X1i and X1a work here, but on different networks. Our largest provider Telstra uses the 850MHz band so you will need an X1a for them. You can buy an X1a on contract with them. Other providers like Optus and Vodaphone use the 900MHz band so you would need an X1i for them. Optus is just about to introduce an x1i contract (I think). Telstra is supposed have the most extensive coverage, (out bush) but I have an optus service and live in the country and their coverage is fine. In terms of cost of service Optus cost a way lot less than Telstra. The main telco forum site here is whirlpool.net.au. It will give you a good flavour of what, what's good and what isn't.
Oh one last thing … you'll pay a lot less for an X1 purchased outright in the UK than you will here in Oz.

nonno said:
Both the X1i and X1a work here, but on different networks. Our largest provider Telstra uses the 850MHz band so you will need an X1a for them. You can buy an X1a on contract with them. Other providers like Optus and Vodaphone use the 900MHz band so you would need an X1i for them. Optus is just about to introduce an x1i contract (I think). Telstra is supposed have the most extensive coverage, (out bush) but I have an optus service and live in the country and their coverage is fine. In terms of cost of service Optus cost a way lot less than Telstra. The main telco forum site here is whirlpool.net.au. It will give you a good flavour of what, what's good and what isn't.
Oh one last thing … you'll pay a lot less for an X1 purchased outright in the UK than you will here in Oz.
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Thanks a lot, very useful information!

You'll need to consider which carrier you join very carefully. All carriers use 2100MHz WCDMA in major cities and suburbs, but outer rim suburbs and rural areas will use 850MHz (Telstra) or 900MHz (Optus & Vodafone). There is another carrier called "3" but they only have a small metropolitan 2100MHz deployment and roam on to Telstra GSM (not 3G) at the same call rate for the rest of the time. (However, data is charged at a different, exorbitant rate.)
Telstra is the most reliable, but the most expensive- any other 3G data carrier is likely to be completely overloaded at peak times, depending on where you live. Optus is popular with the younger population because they have the best prepaid deals (possibly the best medium to heavy use data + calls deal around). 3 is also popular with that demographic because they offer decent call rates and a large amount of free minutes between their own customers, however bad for business because of issue with data roaming.

Leddy said:
You'll need to consider which carrier you join very carefully. All carriers use 2100MHz WCDMA in major cities and suburbs, but outer rim suburbs and rural areas will use 850MHz (Telstra) or 900MHz (Optus & Vodafone). There is another carrier called "3" but they only have a small metropolitan 2100MHz deployment and roam on to Telstra GSM (not 3G) at the same call rate for the rest of the time. (However, data is charged at a different, exorbitant rate.)
Telstra is the most reliable, but the most expensive- any other 3G data carrier is likely to be completely overloaded at peak times, depending on where you live. Optus is popular with the younger population because they have the best prepaid deals (possibly the best medium to heavy use data + calls deal around). 3 is also popular with that demographic because they offer decent call rates and a large amount of free minutes between their own customers, however bad for business because of issue with data roaming.
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Thanks for the additions.
I kind of made my mind to get the X1i and I will probably get an Optus pre-paid once I get there.
Cheers

List of countries whose landlines can be called at no cost on T-mobile in USA

Using T-mobile in USA, there is a $10/month flat fee for unlimited free calls to landlines in the following countries:
country name - dialing code
Andorra -376
Argentina - 54
Australia - 61
Austria - 43
Bahamas - 242
Belgium - 32
Brazil - 55
Brunei Darussalam - 673
Canada - 1
Canary islands - 34
Chile - 56
China - 86
Columbia - 57
Costa Rica - 506
Croatia - 385
Cyprus - 357
Dominican Republic - 829
Estonia - 372
Germany - 49
Greece - 30
Guadeloupe - 590
Guernsey (UK) -
Hong Kong - 852
Hungary - 36
India - 91
Ireland - 353
Israel - 972
Italy - 39
Japan - 81
Jersey (UK)
Jordan - 962
Latvia - 371
Luxembourg -352
Macao - 853
Macedonia - 389
Malaysia - 60
Martinique - 596
Mexico - 52
Netherlands - 31
New Zealand - 64
Norway - 47
Panama - 507
Poland - 48
Portugal - 351
Romania - 40
Singapore - 65
Slovenia - 386
South Africa -27
South Korea - 82
Spain -34
Switzerland - 41
Taiwan - 886
Thailand - 66
Turkey - 90
UK - 44
Uruguay - 598
Venezuela - 58
Zambia - 260

Well the title was a little deceiving, but damn. Is that their long-distance package? $10/month for unlimited calling to those landline locations? That sure as hell beats my providers long distance package. Can you provide a link for this?

I live in So. CA and go to Tijuana every once in a while. All calls to and from Tijuana from my tmobile are treated as anytime minutes.
I do not have any Long Distance plans.
I am not sure if this applies to Tijuana only or all the rest of Mexico.

very interesting, i didn't even know they had such service

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[Q] Buying in US for international/EU use

Hello All
I'm finding all sorts of conflicting info out there. Would someone be able to succinctly answer which model Note 4 can I buy in the US that is:
genuinely unlocked
compatible with UK/EU 4G
USA 4g would be best but being 3G-only in the USA is OK too
Bonus points for the least expensive, most reliable place to buy from in the US as well.
Extra bonus points for advice on the best/fastest way go get hands on a Gear VR bundle.
Thanks muchy!
PS: ugh just realised I should have put into Q&A forum

I did a brief Google and it would appear that the t mobile version would be your best bet. However regarding LTE radios , the us spec doesn't have the popular 1800mhz AFAIK but has the 2600mhz. I think you need to cross check what bands UK EU uses for LTE and hspa and compare it to what the t mobile version has.
I used my old note 3 in the UK for about month last year on giff gaff. Never got LTE but at best got hspa +.
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perfect, thanks matey!

Table here with details of the bands specific to each mobile operator...
Table here with details of the bands specific to each mobile operator is at Wikipedia, called "List of LTE networks"
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But for UK what you are most interested in is:
3 United Kingdom 1800 3 FDD Dec 2013 [679][680][681][682]
EE United Kingdom 1800 3 FDD Oct 2012 Jul 2013 Oct 2014 [683][684][685][686]
Carrier aggregation of 40 MHz (CA_3A_7A).
EE United Kingdom 2600 7 FDD Nov 2013 (?) Oct 2014 [679][685][686][687]
Carrier aggregation of 40 MHz (CA_3A_7A).
O2 United Kingdom 800 20 FDD Aug 2013 [679][680]
UK Broadband United Kingdom 3500 42 TDD Mar 2012 [15][688][689] (↓↑) 3480 – 3500 MHz
UK Broadband United Kingdom 3700 43 TDD Feb 2012 [15][688][689] (↓↑) 3580 – 3600 MHz
Vodafone United Kingdom 800 20 FDD Aug 2013 [679][680]
US list of mobile operators is too long to post here, but you can find the rest there..

Only AT&T and T-Mobile versions are a true gsm phones. T-Mobile comes with unlocked bootloader and allow easier root access. VR gear is only available from Samsung direct (at least in States). Compare specs of US versions and check which is the best match for your service provider.
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Looking at those details, i dont think buying a device in the US would cover the bands that are probably most common among major carriers in Western Europe, which are 3,7 & 20.

From T-Mobile website
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