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Universal and T-Mobile (US) 3G Network....

Are our Universals compatible with the new T-Mobile 3G network in the US? Ive searched the internet, some say no, others say yes....

ATLDON said:
Are our Universals compatible with the new T-Mobile 3G network in the US? Ive searched the internet, some say no, others say yes....
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Well I don´t know in USA, but in México with my Uni I can´t connect to any 3G network as Universal has only for Europe and Asia networks, I think is the same for your country, shame...

orb3000 said:
Well I don´t know in USA, but in México with my Uni I can´t connect to any 3G network as Universal has only for Europe and Asia networks, I think is the same for your country, shame...
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Interesting.......no tweaks?
Just have to see....3G won't be available in my area until the beginning of the year anyway

UPDATE:
T-Mobile 3G works on my I-Mate Jasjar in the Jacksonville Florida area. The only adjustments I had to make was a minor MMS settings change.

Anybody in the northwest US able to connect to T-Mobile's 3G network?
I try to force my band to WCDMA and specify the UMTS freq as 2100, but then it simply doesn't seem to want to register with the network. When I set it to auto, it appears to simply be using GPRS.
Somewhat related, anybody know of a way to force displaying an icon indicating EDGE vs default GPRS connection?
Edit: I just recalled that there's no EDGE support on the Uni, unless I'm mistaken, so disregard that...
Edit (again): So if I'm understanding this properly... The Uni only operates on UMTS/WCDMA/whatever 2100, not 1700, which T-Mobile US uses. It was designed for uk/other 3G usage, not future US 3G usage. So we've got 3G support outside the US, but as far as I can tell - we shouldn't be able to use 3G in the US, at least on T-Mobile's network, since they're using 1700 mhz band/AWS range, and the 2100 mhz band used elsewhere is not compatible. I THINK. I'm honestly just learning about this sort of thing now as I go, despite having had my Uni for a while and having known about T-Mobile rolling out 3G coverage for some time.
ATLDON said:
UPDATE:
T-Mobile 3G works on my I-Mate Jasjar in the Jacksonville Florida area. The only adjustments I had to make was a minor MMS settings change.
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Could you give some more details on this?
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think the deal is basically, as postulated by orb3000 - no 3G for US Universal users.

I was told by a T-Mobile rep on the phone that if I can connect to 1700 or 2100 mhz band, I should be able to use 3G... So I wonder... Huh.

GRiM_BoB said:
I was told by a T-Mobile rep on the phone that if I can connect to 1700 or 2100 mhz band, I should be able to use 3G... So I wonder... Huh.
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Ive heard not all areas have 3G on both bands. Probably your area doesnt have 2100 mhz yet.

ATLDON said:
Ive heard not all areas have 3G on both bands. Probably your area doesnt have 2100 mhz yet.
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So can you confirm if T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 as:
1700 down/2100 up
1700 voice/2100 data
1700 OR 2100?
Because I've seen a lot of different things saying different things. =/
Incidentally, please go to http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed and tell me what speed you get on your phone.

GRiM_BoB said:
So can you confirm if T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 as:
1700 down/2100 up
1700 voice/2100 data
1700 OR 2100?
Because I've seen a lot of different things saying different things. =/
Incidentally, please go to http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed and tell me what speed you get on your phone.
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T-Mobile uses 1700 AND 2100 mhz bands....sent and recieved data ARE NOT SPLIT between the two bands.....voice and data ARE NOT split between bands.
Ill check my speed tonight when I get off work....
I can see the difference between 3G and GPRS though. I have a HTC Wizard that supports EDGE, and my Imate JasJar is only slightly faster than my Wizard. My girlfriend has the new Mobile G1 and her 3G speed run rings around my Imate JasJar internet speed this is probably so because the age of our Universals.

3G Coverage U.S 2100 Frequency With The Univerisal
ATLDON said:
T-Mobile uses 1700 AND 2100 mhz bands....sent and recieved data ARE NOT SPLIT between the two bands.....voice and data ARE NOT split between bands.
Ill check my speed tonight when I get off work....
I can see the difference between 3G and GPRS though. I have a HTC Wizard that supports EDGE, and my Imate JasJar is only slightly faster than my Wizard. My girlfriend has the new Mobile G1 and her 3G speed run rings around my Imate JasJar internet speed this is probably so because the age of our Universals.
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I have a Qtek 9000 and am waiting for the 3G coverage for my area with T-Mobile which should be in the spring of 2009. Over the past few years I have done a great deal of research on this and have also spoken to very knowledgeable Tier 3 T-Mobile staff that are familiar with this and this is what they told me. The universal will work on the 2100 frequency with T-Mobile. T-Mobile will be using the 1700 & 2100 frequency bands in the U.S. for 3G frequency. I know when I visited my relatives in Germany in 2004 Year in the summer as I can speak, read & write German as good as English even though I am first generation in the U.S. which I visit my relatives every 5 years and due to visit them in the summer of 2009 year. The 2100 band was already released in the spring of 2004 year in Germany. But since T-Mobile has only certain cities available that have the 3G coverage in the U.S. which is spotty at this time. Since the T-Mobile G1 was deployed in October this should make the rollout faster in the U.S. for the 1700 & 2100 mhz frequency. Can you please confirm on your I-mate Jasjar on what your 3G speeds are? They should be at least 384 k.p.s. It is also nice to know that the send & receive data, voice & data are not slit between the two bands of 1700 & 2100 mhz frequency.

MobileSpeedTest.com
533.35 KB/sec

Park and ATLDON, thanks for all the info - this is all very good to know, and great news for US Universal users. I'll just have to wait for 3G 2100 to be active here in Portland, then.
Oh, and ATLDON - one more question. Under your Phone Settings, where you can select GSM and UMTS band and Network Type, did you set it to Auto, or force UMTs, or did you even change anything?

GRiM_BoB said:
Park and ATLDON, thanks for all the info - this is all very good to know, and great news for US Universal users. I'll just have to wait for 3G 2100 to be active here in Portland, then.
Oh, and ATLDON - one more question. Under your Phone Settings, where you can select GSM and UMTS band and Network Type, did you set it to Auto, or force UMTs, or did you even change anything?
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I have it set on Auto.

this is interesting stuff, i just got my jasjar as an anniversary gift from my girlfriend and i love the device however anyone that has used HSDPA which i had on my kaiser before i sold it 500-900k going to GPRS has been something that would make one want to cry, and its good news to hear this because i need some form of high speed again, and i'd like to confirm this working because i am going to get a t-mobile prepaid or flex paid sim ASAP to get this going, i am in new york anyone from around here to confirm 2100Mhz?
also anyone able to do a screenshot ?

Funny, I was just trying to get an answer as to whether or not there was a delay in deploying 3G over 1700 vs 2100 mhz to a given area, and I ended up being told "definitively" that unless my handset is able to connect to both freqs, I would be unable to utilize 3G access. CONFUSION. I think there are some disconnects between staff at the T-Mobile customer support, and I haven't really gotten much further than what I would imagine to be tier-two tech support.
I trust in ATLDON's success story, so... Maybe I'll just have to wait and see.
Do you get a 3G indicator somewhere in the taskbar or system tray when you're connected? And what was the MMS setting you had to change? What server are you using for net access? Do you have the $6/mo T-MobileWeb access or one of the other plans?
Sorry for all the questions, just very curious and hopeful that I would soon be able to really use my Uni.

GRiM_BoB said:
Funny, I was just trying to get an answer as to whether or not there was a delay in deploying 3G over 1700 vs 2100 mhz to a given area, and I ended up being told "definitively" that unless my handset is able to connect to both freqs, I would be unable to utilize 3G access. CONFUSION. I think there are some disconnects between staff at the T-Mobile customer support, and I haven't really gotten much further than what I would imagine to be tier-two tech support.
I trust in ATLDON's success story, so... Maybe I'll just have to wait and see.
Do you get a 3G indicator somewhere in the taskbar or system tray when you're connected? And what was the MMS setting you had to change? What server are you using for net access? Do you have the $6/mo T-MobileWeb access or one of the other plans?
Sorry for all the questions, just very curious and hopeful that I would soon be able to really use my Uni.
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The 3G indicators don't work on the 6.1 Roms I use. I havent tried any of the WM 5 roms to see if their indicators work
The MMS connect, I had to change it from T-Mobile MMS to the Internet to send/receive multimedia.
I have the 19.99 unlimited data plan.
I use epc.tmobile.com

Are there any other US Uni users in different areas who can report 3G connectivity?
Thus far I've found my own interactions with T-Mobile tech support to be thoroughly useless in getting any sort of details on AWS/3G/2100mhz deployment (maybe I'm just not talking to the right people?)

So, a couple weeks later (and still impatient ) - anyone else in the US with a Universal able to access T-Mobile's 3G network?

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MobileSpeedTest.com
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Interesting. 3G has a maximum of 384Kbs to get faster you need HSDPA which AFAIK the Uni does not have...

i would like to know as well i am going to be off of ATT by the 10th of January and i am in nyc i would really like to know so i can make the switch ASAP

So will the G1 work with ATT's 3G?

Ok so I was looking online at the HTC site and see its says:
Network HSPA/WCDMA:
* Europe: 2100 MHz
* US:1700/2100 MHz
* Up to 7.2 Mbps down-link (HSDPA) and 2 Mbps up-link (HSUPA) speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
* 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
I honestly do not know what everything means but I know that ATT's 3G runs off of 850 and 1900....am I correct?
If I am then the ATT 3G should work correct? I am trying to figure this all out because I may pick a G1 up tomorrow with my little brothers account seeing that I am with ATT as of now in order to get the Touch Pro.
THANKS

No it will not work on att 3g

well i guess its not down to if I want a phone with no 3G?
Think its worth not having 3G?

No dude, get a phone with 3G. Honestly when I'm stuck in an EDGE area with my G1 it's too slow for me to do much more then IM and stuff, I almost always switch to my Sprint rev. a pda when out of 3G. Also, more and more services will come out that use 3G and you don't wanna get stuck behind the curve.

Valicore said:
No dude, get a phone with 3G. Honestly when I'm stuck in an EDGE area with my G1 it's too slow for me to do much more then IM and stuff, I almost always switch to my Sprint rev. a pda when out of 3G. Also, more and more services will come out that use 3G and you don't wanna get stuck behind the curve.
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I've had my G1 for two days now and I am in an edge area (no 3G). I'm sure it is alot slower than 3G, but my phone is fully capable of doing anything that it is suspose to. Loading a webpage takes less than 10 seconds. Loading apps from the Market have taken me less than a minute. I'd say this phone is very capable if only on Edge.

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I've had my G1 for two days now and I am in an edge area (no 3G). I'm sure it is alot slower than 3G, but my phone is fully capable of doing anything that it is suspose to. Loading a webpage takes less than 10 seconds. Loading apps from the Market have taken me less than a minute. I'd say this phone is very capable if only on Edge.
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I am also in an edge area (3G starts a few miles away). I cannot stream podcasts, but tbh the only time I find myself doing that is when I'm stuck at the airport. Websites load up quick enough...
Right now 3G coverage is only absolutely required if you are tethering or streaming media. I have wifi for my off time at home so no biggie. Now I know there will be some apps that will require that kind of bandwidth, but hopefully tmo will have expanded 3g to my area by then.

Hello,
I was just wondering if
HSDPA/WCDMA: Europe: 2100 MHz / US:1700/2100 MHz
means the G1 has both the frequencies for Europe and for the US
or it is sold in 2 Versions.
Does anybody know?
Thanks

rudoe said:
Hello,
I was just wondering if
HSDPA/WCDMA: Europe: 2100 MHz / US:1700/2100 MHz
means the G1 has both the frequencies for Europe and for the US
or it is sold in 2 Versions.
Does anybody know?
Thanks
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The G1 is dual-band UMTS; there's only one version.
A tip though, NEVER use frequencies to refer to UMTS bands; they're confusing and ambiguous. Always use the numbered bands.
AT&T uses bands II and V, T-Mobile USA uses band IV, and Europe uses band I.
The G1 supports bands I and IV.
All AT&T 3G phones support II and V, some support band I in addition.
Here's a good article listing the UMTS bands:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
There are NO phones to my knowledge which support BOTH bands IV and II or V.
What that means is that you can follow a simple rule, at least for the time being:
If it supports T-Mobile USA 3G, it doesn't support AT&T 3G.
If it supports AT&T 3G, it doesn't support T-Mobile USA 3G.

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Have a great weekend all.

[Q] [32A] [Solved, THX] No 3G(UMTS/HSDPA) reception with AT&T

Hi guys,
I just arrive US and got an AT&T sim, I use the same HTC Magic (32A) I used to use in Taiwan but I got no 3G reception
I'm quite sure the 32A magic can operate on AT&T's 3G Mobile Network since it has:
HSDPA/WCDMA: 900/2100MHz
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900MHz
Anyone know why?
I got no Data Plane with my SIM, I'm using a "Nation 1440" family plan.
I got the correct APN set on my phone (though it has no relation with 3G reception)
I'm now using New Radio (6.35.10.18), 1.76.2007 SPL, ROM is Smoki 0.7.6.
The RF Signal Tracker said my Network Type is "EDGE"
I also checked with ATT and they said I got excellent 3G reception in my neighborhood.
And I'm sure I didn't set the phone to work in 2G network only.
This set up works perfectly in Taiwan, so I got no idea what's happening?

ma1121 said:
I got no Data Plane with my SIM, I'm using a "Nation 1440" family plan.
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I'm no rocket scientist but I reckon that you got no 3G because you don't have the Data Plan... I would recommend adding the Data Plan, then testing out the reception, and seeing if you get 3G coverage. I don't think there is a fee for canceling Data if it turns out that you still get no 3G, at-least not with T-Mobile and AT&T that I know of. I've added and removed Data Plans a few times without many consequences.

shafiq265 said:
I reckon that you got no 3G because you don't have the Data Plan...
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That's what I thought in the first place, so I called the customer service and they told me that reception has nothing to do with Data Plane.
Which still make sense to me because from my knowledge, the registration of 3G/2G network is not that essentially related to Data Plane since UMTS / GSM is just a RF technology, normal voice service can also operate on a 3G (to be more precise, the UMTS) network.
But I'm not that familiar the US carrier's policy, so there's still the possibility that a SIM with no data plan is prohibit from registering to a 3G network.
I'll try to find a SIM with Data Plane and put it in my Magic, see how it works...
(My relative happened to be using iPhone 3GS with data plane)

ma1121 said:
I'll try to find a SIM with Data Plane and put it in my Magic, see how it works...
(My relative happened to be using iPhone 3GS with data plane)
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That would be the best bet. Experiment with different sim cards to rule out a problem with the device itself. My opinion would be to take it to an AT&T dealer to quickly cycle through sim cards, if they have any with Data on hand.

I'm quite sure the 32A magic can operate on AT&T's 3G Mobile Network since it has:
HSDPA/WCDMA: 900/2100MHz
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AT&T uses HSDPA/WCDMA 850/1900MHz for 3G, so you won't be able to get it on that phone. T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 so you might be able to get it with them. Call and see what frequencies the towers in your area use.
Good luck.

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AT&T uses HSDPA/WCDMA 850/1900MHz for 3G
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Yeah, I google for a while this afternoon and found that too...
The problem is I do have 850MHz & 1900MHz but thay ONLY operate on GSM, not WCDMA.
T-Mobile uses 1700MHz for down-stream (or up-stream? I forgot). I only have 2100MHz so I suppose I'll have no luck with T-Mo as well.
I guess I'll do without 3G for a while, until I have more budget to get a new Android phone that do operate on ATT's 3G network
Ps. I cross tested my SIM using my relative's iPhone 3G, sure enough, my SIM has 3G reception without question.
Thanks for help from all of u.

Atrix Signal: cell data/3G/H+

iv owned my atrix for around a year now and iv always had a small problem but just brushed it off my shoulder asif its how the phone should be, although this may be on my carriers side of things.
Im in the uk and i get signal from T-mobile and Orange as there the same company and share satellites but iv always noticed my phone signal status is really missleading, this is how it goes
normal full bars
full bars with 3G next to them
full bars with H next to them
when on the normal full bars i can barely make a call or send a text, after a few retrys it eventually gets there but otherwise says there is no network, so why is it saying i have normal cell data?
then when im on 3G which is supposed to be a half decent data transfer rate, i can call and text perfectly fine but if i try to open a webpage or facebook/twitter, it takes a painfully long time asif to say the 3G is actually cell data or something, its that slow i give up if i see 3G on my phone that means to me that its unusable for anything other than calls and texts...
then theres H+ which is lightning fast.... calls and texts once again are perfect, and when i load a webpage or facebook its faster than my wifi at home... the problem is i rarely even get this H signal unless im around a built up area like a city centre...
what im trying to get at is that although my phone is labellingg the signal as certain things it seems to be getting mixed up?
normal bars fells like it should be "no signal"
3G feels like it should be "normal cell signal"
and H feels like it should be "3G"
im not sure if i get 4G over here in england aswell before anyone asks but my H is alot faster than the 3G on my friends iphones, my friend who also has a sony xperia S also has this same confusing problem..
iv always just wondered why they seem to be labelled wrong, or is 3G just awfully slow and cant handle todays smartphones data?
any answers and discussion would be helpfull.. thanks

Hi, can I just clarify with you which device you have?
Do you have an Atrix 4G from AT&T or do you have an Atrix from Orange/Tmobile/Simfree?
First of all, you should not get confused with the term 4G.
AT&T use the term 4G incorrectly. Their network is HSPA+, which they call 4G.
In the UK, all of the networks are now also using HSPA+.
Another point, if you have a EUROPE model Atrix (Not Atrix 4G) you have more 3G frequencies available to you i.e 900mhz (disabled on Atrix 4G).
You should also be getting the following symbols on your phone (check to see if you have disabled 2G)
G, E, 3G, H (or H+, I have the sim free, it has H instead of H+)
Let me just term everything for you simply:
GSM aka 2G, normally all calls go on this when enabled:
G = GPRS. About 32kbps
E = EDGE. In theory 236kbps but never seen this speed.
UMTS aka 3G
3G = 384kbps theoretical maximum
HSDPA/HSUPA/HSPA/HSPA+ aka 3.5/3.75G
HSDPA/HSUPA or HSPA as its also known = Max theoretical speed 14.4mbps
HSPA+ = The upgraded version of HSPA, also described by the USA as 4G. Theoretical maximum 42mbps (which uk networks are supposed to be rolling out at the moment)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths

tehrules said:
Hi, can I just clarify with you which device you have?
Do you have an Atrix 4G from AT&T or do you have an Atrix from Orange/Tmobile/Simfree?
First of all, you should not get confused with the term 4G.
AT&T use the term 4G incorrectly. Their network is HSPA+, which they call 4G.
In the UK, all of the networks are now also using HSPA+.
Another point, if you have a EUROPE model Atrix (Not Atrix 4G) you have more 3G frequencies available to you i.e 900mhz (disabled on Atrix 4G).
You should also be getting the following symbols on your phone (check to see if you have disabled 2G)
G, E, 3G, H (or H+, I have the sim free, it has H instead of H+)
Let me just term everything for you simply:
GSM aka 2G, normally all calls go on this when enabled:
G = GPRS. About 32kbps
E = EDGE. In theory 236kbps but never seen this speed.
UMTS aka 3G
3G = 384kbps theoretical maximum
HSDPA/HSUPA/HSPA/HSPA+ aka 3.5/3.75G
HSDPA/HSUPA or HSPA as its also known = Max theoretical speed 14.4mbps
HSPA+ = The upgraded version of HSPA, also described by the USA as 4G. Theoretical maximum 42mbps (which uk networks are supposed to be rolling out at the moment)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths
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ahhh i see thanks for clearing it up! well i have an unbranded motorola atrix from england so it must not be a 4G but i do get H+ signal
would there be any reason for 3G being slow then?

3g is umts and as already stated above, that's 384kbps = 48KByte/s which is very slow for todays standards. It's like isdn speed, not even dsl...

crnkoj said:
3g is umts and as already stated above, that's 384kbps = 48KByte/s which is very slow for todays standards. It's like isdn speed, not even dsl...
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ISDN would actually be 2x dialup aka about 112kbps so a bit slower than that. Just fyi.

i live in the dominican republic and i only get H. how do i get H+?... whenever i try to access my 4g settings gives me the error "the application settings com.android.settings"

catillito said:
i live in the dominican republic and i only get H. how do i get H+?... whenever i try to access my 4g settings gives me the error "the application settings com.android.settings"
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Go to System Settings, About, Status and look at Mobile Network Type. HSPA:10 is the fastest the Atrix supports and is not Evolved HSPA (H+). I was thinking the same as you on this until I researched. My only wish is the we had an indication of all the different HSDPA speeds in the status bar without having to look at the mobile network type. Remember, your provider you not support HSPA:10.
Take a look at the following If you want to read up a little bit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1912716
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Verizon Note Pro available

Verizon is now offering the 32 GB unit for sale on their web site, free overnight delivery, so mine should arrive Friday...

ericbergan said:
Verizon is now offering the 32 GB unit for sale on their web site, free overnight delivery, so mine should arrive Friday...
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Looking forward to your review!

Funny some guy here was claiming someone at Verizon corporate said they wouldnt have it for months lol
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FedEx says mine is out on the truck for delivery today...

Duly.noted said:
Funny some guy here was claiming someone at Verizon corporate said they wouldnt have it for months lol
Sent from my SCH-I605 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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Yes, that was me and as usual, Verizon has no clue what they are talking about.I'm not returning my WiFi model but if I had known this would be out within 2 weeks of my purchase, I probably would have waited. On a 2 year it would have been almost the same price as the WiFi. Not like I'm ever leaving Verizon anytime soon due to their network in my area being better than any other carrier..

Mike02z said:
Yes, that was me and as usual, Verizon has no clue what they are talking about.I'm not returning my WiFi model but if I had known this would be out within 2 weeks of my purchase, I probably would have waited. On a 2 year it would have been almost the same price as the WiFi. Not like I'm ever leaving Verizon anytime soon due to their network in my area being better than any other carrier..
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Iv thought about it but if I end up traveling internationally I doubt it would accept sims from other countries. It might though....
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So I just came from Verizon to check out the tablet. I went into settings and tried to do a system update, I didn't get the error that some people with P905 were getting about being custom. The update check came back ok, the system is up to date with the latest software. I went into download mode, everything was 0X0, nothing tripped of course but I couldn't figure out how to check if the bootloader is locked. I couldn't find the Phone app or the SMS text messaging app so I'm assuming this version cannot make calls.
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Duly.noted said:
Iv thought about it but if I end up traveling internationally I doubt it would accept sims from other countries. It might though....
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Here are the Note Pro 12.2 Network specs:
Network: LTE Band 13/4 (700/1700 MHz)
Global Network: EDGE/GSM (850/900/1800/1900), HSPA/UMTS(850/900/1900/2100))
I hope someone smart here can let us know if this will work with AT&T or T-Mobile (Barry!) I see it has the 700, 1900, and 2100, but I don't know if bands 13/4 are compatible.

Let me see if I can help you out.
Here is some detailed information on their support site for what frequencies T-Mobile supports and what is required to use their network.
T-Mobile network & coverage details
T-Mobile 4G LTE
T-Mobile's advanced 4G LTE network is smoking fast! With incredible speed, you can do more using our nationwide 4G LTE network. Check our 4G LTE markets to see if you're covered.
T-Mobile’s 4G LTE network uses 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies. You'll need a phone that supports LTE 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies. Check Tech Specs to view your phone's capabilities.
Once you're registered on our 4G LTE network, you can take advantage of incredibly fast download speeds, and even use voice and data services at the same time.
T-Mobile 4G (HSPA+)
With 4G, theoretical maximum download speeds range from 21 Mbps up to 42 Mbps.
Our 4G network operates on the 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies. We use 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies to use voice and data services. You'll need a phone that supports 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz to connect to our 4G network.
Once you're registered on our 4G network, you can take advantage of incredibly fast download speeds, and even use voice and data services at the same time.
T-Mobile 3G (HSPA)
With 3G, theoretical maximum download of 14 Mbps.
Our 3G network operates on the 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies. You'll need a phone that supports 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz to connect to our 3G network.
On our 3G network, you can use voice and data services simultaneously.
T-Mobile 2G (EDGE)
EDGE, our enhanced 2G service, delivers a theoretical maximum download speed of 236 kbps.
GPRS, our 2G service, delivers a theoretical maximum download speed of 114 kbps. Typical speeds are between 35 kbps and 45 kbps.
Voice and data services cannot work simultaneously when on GPRS or EDGE.
Data speeds vary depending on its operating system, processor, battery life, running applications, peak theoretical speeds, and distance from the cell site. USB laptop sticks almost always offer higher speeds than smartphones, because they use the power of a laptop with larger batteries, processors, and other technologies. Also, downloading information is faster than uploading. There is no way to predict an exact speed with so many factors affecting your experience.
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T-Mobile 4G LTE
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T-Mobile’s 4G LTE network uses 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies. You'll need a phone that supports LTE 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies. Check Tech Specs to view your phone's capabilities.
Once you're registered on our 4G LTE network, you can take advantage of incredibly fast download speeds, and even use voice and data services at the same time.
T-Mobile 4G (HSPA+)
With 4G, theoretical maximum download speeds range from 21 Mbps up to 42 Mbps.
Our 4G network operates on the 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies. We use 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies to use voice and data services. You'll need a phone that supports 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz to connect to our 4G network.
Once you're registered on our 4G network, you can take advantage of incredibly fast download speeds, and even use voice and data services at the same time.
T-Mobile 3G (HSPA)
With 3G, theoretical maximum download of 14 Mbps.
Our 3G network operates on the 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies. You'll need a phone that supports 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz to connect to our 3G network.
On our 3G network, you can use voice and data services simultaneously.
T-Mobile 2G (EDGE)
EDGE, our enhanced 2G service, delivers a theoretical maximum download speed of 236 kbps.
GPRS, our 2G service, delivers a theoretical maximum download speed of 114 kbps. Typical speeds are between 35 kbps and 45 kbps.
Voice and data services cannot work simultaneously when on GPRS or EDGE.
Data speeds vary depending on its operating system, processor, battery life, running applications, peak theoretical speeds, and distance from the cell site. USB laptop sticks almost always offer higher speeds than smartphones, because they use the power of a laptop with larger batteries, processors, and other technologies. Also, downloading information is faster than uploading. There is no way to predict an exact speed with so many factors affecting your experience.
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Received my Verizon Note Pro yesterday. Activated without any issue. I've only used LTE a little bit on it, speedtest wasn't overwhelming, but that was probably a cell issue. Other than that, seems pretty much like the wifi version I've played with. Oh, in case anyone thinks about it, if I had to do it again, I'd skip the "travel bundle". I don't tend to use screen protectors, the vehicle charger is only 1A and even says on the box "Not designed to charge a tablet", and the Speck case is ok, but not great. (Not sure how long the clasp is going to last.)
One potential difference from the wifi model - this one supports 802.11ac. I don't remember seeing that for the wifi model?

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I doubt it would accept sims from other countries. It might though....
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It should once it's unlocked. These are the bands for the Latin American LTE's tabs that support 700MHz. I'm guessing the non-700MHz bands are the same for both AT&T and VZW's branded devices. The loss of 800/1,800MHz which are on the international LTE devices will screw up Europe and Asia as some big carriers there use one or both those bands.
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I see it has the 700, 1900, and 2100, but I don't know if bands 13/4 are compatible.
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AT&T uses band 4 for 1,700MHz like VZW but uses band 17 (vs. VZW's band 13) for 700MHz. Historically, putting a AT&T LTE SIM in a VZW device hasn't worked so I'm assuming both bands must be supported by the radio for both uploads and downloads. T-Mobile uses the 1,700MHz band 4 channel singularly and unlocked AT&T devices have gotten T-Mobile LTE and vice versa. I haven't read anything about VZW devices with T-Mobile LTE SIMs connecting via band 4 but on paper it should work. Band 4 is band 4.
Bands supported for LTE are exclusive to LTE. To get full T-Mobile GSM data coverage the GSM part of the radio would also need to support 1,700MHz which it doesn't. So GSM would only work in T-Mobile markets that have been refarmed to 1,900MHz. Unlocked, the radio in the VZW N12 would fully support AT&T's GSM data network.

One other difference between Verizon and WiFi versions - the Verizon unit doesn't get some of the offers that the WiFi does. No remotePC, no 50 GB dropbox, etc. Does get the Google Play store credit, and Gogo, but that's about it.

ericbergan said:
Received my Verizon Note Pro yesterday. Activated without any issue. I've only used LTE a little bit on it, speedtest wasn't overwhelming, but that was probably a cell issue. Other than that, seems pretty much like the wifi version I've played with. Oh, in case anyone thinks about it, if I had to do it again, I'd skip the "travel bundle". I don't tend to use screen protectors, the vehicle charger is only 1A and even says on the box "Not designed to charge a tablet", and the Speck case is ok, but not great. (Not sure how long the clasp is going to last.)
One potential difference from the wifi model - this one supports 802.11ac. I don't remember seeing that for the wifi model?
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Were they nice enough to sim-unlock it for you since you bought it at full price? Or will they make you wait 6 months to unlock it?
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ericbergan said:
One other difference between Verizon and WiFi versions - the Verizon unit doesn't get some of the offers that the WiFi does. No remotePC, no 50 GB dropbox, etc. Does get the Google Play store credit, and Gogo, but that's about it.
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Were you able to find any calling/sms features?

Russbad said:
Were they nice enough to sim-unlock it for you since you bought it at full price? Or will they make you wait 6 months to unlock it?
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Were you able to find any calling/sms features?
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Don't have another SIM to try, and imei.info doesn't recognize the imei number. Is there another way to check if it is unlocked?
As for calling/sms, not that I've seen so far, but calling/texting from my tablets has never been a requirement for me, so haven't paid a lot of attention.

Great responses. My Verizon version is being shipped.. texting from tablets van be done on wifi anyways via mighty text or Google voice. The remote pc I have the apk on my note 10.1 2014. Dropbox it's only worth it if creating a new account otherwise you lose the offer but depends on usage. 50gb free on Mega. Gogo, wonder if is any good. HANCOMM? ?
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aburns7487 said:
Great responses. My Verizon version is being shipped.. texting from tablets van be done on wifi anyways via mighty text or Google voice. The remote pc I have the apk on my note 10.1 2014. Dropbox it's only worth it if creating a new account otherwise you lose the offer but depends on usage. 50gb free on Mega. Gogo, wonder if is any good. HANCOMM? ?
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I didn't need to create a new account to get the 50GB on Dropbox. I just logged in with my account info and now have about 53GB
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dodo99x said:
I didn't need to create a new account to get the 50GB on Dropbox. I just logged in with my account info and now have about 53GB
Sent from my SM-P900 using Tapatalk
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i believe he meant if you had already had the note 10.1 2104 edition and got the dropbox offer 1st time so you can't add another offer to same account as you would need another account to receive the new 50 gigs

Exactly what I meant. Thanks for clarifying.
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How's the performance of the Verizon Snapdragon 800 compared to Exynos especially pushing 2560x1600 resolution? Can you post benchmarks for Anomaly 2 benchmark and Epic Citadel at highest settings?

mi7chy said:
How's the performance of the Verizon Snapdragon 800 compared to Exynos especially pushing 2560x1600 resolution? Can you post benchmarks for Anomaly 2 benchmark and Epic Citadel at highest settings?
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I don't have a WiFi model to compare against, but subjectively I'm happy with the speed and it seems to handle full screen video content well. I'm not into tablet benchmarking so don't have the tools/methodology (desktops, on the other hand...) to provide anything objective.

ericbergan said:
I don't have a WiFi model to compare against, but subjectively I'm happy with the speed and it seems to handle full screen video content well. I'm not into tablet benchmarking so don't have the tools/methodology (desktops, on the other hand...) to provide anything objective.
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We can extrapolate from Note 3 which is 1080p. Anomaly 2 benchmark and Epic Citadel are actually useful since they're not synthethic benchmarks but actual game engines. They're free to download from Google Play. Do us a favor and run them at highest setting and report score or fps. My impression of the Exynos is that its graphics performance is weaker so it'll have a negative impact on UI experience which should be solved with Snapdragon Verizon variant.