I've decided to get an HD2, but I do not know if I should get the T8585 or T9193. I understand that they have different bands, but is there any other difference (aussie models)?
I don't know anything about the different bands. Currently I am just using a virgin prepaid sim. I'm not interested in a contract at the moment, so I'll likely continue with that. I am in Cairns, Australia.
Given this information, can anyone help me decide what model would be best for me?
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If I'm not mistaken,
T9 is the only model that would give you 3g.
I think you are right. That the T9193 is the only one that would get true 3g speeds (on NextG). But given that I am not with Telstra, can I get NextG anyway?
Will the virgin sim work in the phone?
Thanks.
if you stay on virgin, get the T8585. (Yes the sim should work in the phone, assuming it isn't sim locked.)
virgin uses the optus network, which uses the bands
gsm
900/1800 for voice, gprs and edge
and
2100/900 for dual band high speed.
The 8585 has
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900,
UMTS900, UMTS2100
so its a full match
The 9193 however has 850/2100 UMTS so you would only get a single band high speed connection on the 2100.
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I can't seem to find a clear answer...
Okay, so I am a little confused. I am looking at buying a T8585 for use on Telus' new GSM, HSPA network. PDADB says that the LEO 100 or T8585 runs:
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS210
and Telus indicates that their 3G network Runs on 1900/850 MHz frequency bands.
I guess I am coming across as a Noob - I just don't want to drop 600 bucks for something that isn't going to work.
Can somebody who knows more about this then me tell me if the T8585 will work with Telus with both voice and 3G connectivity?
Any help would be VERY MUCH appreciated.
Somebody told me that I need the T9193 (which has better specs) but it seems to me that the stats would make it incompatible.
It will not. You will need a T9193. See the T9193 reference thread for more information. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633404
Do note however, that AFAIK Telus does not have a 'fallback' GSM/EDGE network. It's 3G or nothing.
That being said, I believe there might be some roaming agreements with Rogers. As in, if 3G Telus coverage is not available, you may be able to hop on the Rogers network without issue. I would call them and ask! (and let me know what you find.)
Zeusus said:
I can't seem to find a clear answer...
Okay, so I am a little confused. I am looking at buying a T8585 for use on Telus' new GSM, HSPA network. PDADB says that the LEO 100 or T8585 runs:
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS210
and Telus indicates that their 3G network Runs on 1900/850 MHz frequency bands.
I guess I am coming across as a Noob - I just don't want to drop 600 bucks for something that isn't going to work.
Can somebody who knows more about this then me tell me if the T8585 will work with Telus with both voice and 3G connectivity?
Any help would be VERY MUCH appreciated.
Somebody told me that I need the T9193 (which has better specs) but it seems to me that the stats would make it incompatible.
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A bit over a month ago I was in your exact situation. I wanted an HTC HD2, I'm on TELUS, and I didn't know what this stuff meant.
"3G" is basically synonymous with "UMTS". "GSM" is a 2G technology, alongside "CDMA".
TELUS uses UMTS (with HSPA+) 850/1900, as well as CDMA. The T8585 Leo supports Quad-Band GSM (but TELUS has no GSM) and UMTS 900/2100.
Obviously therefore the T8585 Leo and TELUS have no frequencies in common, and therefore not only will you not get 3G coverage with the T8585 Leo from TELUS, you won't get any coverage period.
The T9193 Leo however, has a difference UMTS frequency: 850 instead of 900. This allows the T9193 Leo to get 3G coverage from TELUS. As far as I've been able to tell -- in Victoria, BC -- the 3G coverage with just 850mhz is just as good as with both 850/1900, and there are no "holes" in the 850 coverage. According to a TELUS rep I spoke with, all their towers project 850 and 1900, so your coverage at 850 should be complete.
I'm goin to buy T-Mobile Unlocked HTC HD2 I just wondered if it will work in Israel even though its T-Mobile branded and unlocked
Our network band same as Europe
if that help i got SE W760i and it say on the screen signal "H"
You would have to know exactly what bands your carrier uses (there's several in use in Europe too), but even then the US T-Mobile HD2 probably won't get 3G service where you are, I believe that this is the only country that uses those specific bands for 3G. You could use the phone in your country, but it would only get EDGE speeds.
You would be better off getting the Euro version of the HD2.
after some research i found out that my operator uses this bands 850/2100
and in T-Mobile specs it says
Band (frequency): 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
and another question if i wont 3g reception i get the "H" would it matter alot or only abit that i wouldnt be able to go through internet and stuff
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Hello again i talked to my operator they said that the phone will work on HSPDA on 2100 or GSM 850
so which of the bands got the 3g on it
Thx
Hi guys,
Just got myself T-Mobile USA HD2. Its unlocked. Moving to toronto canada next week. Can someone tell me what frequencies does my HD2 work on?
and will it work on networks in Toronto, Canada? like Rogers, telus, etc.?
Kindly let me know.
Thanks
tmous =
gsm (calls, gprs, edge) on 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G HSDPA on 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
for rogers it will work for calls, gprs and edge on gsm 850/1900, but rogers also uses 850 and 1900 for 3g, so tmous wont work for 3g, and isnt telus cdma? or have they switched to gsm yet? (i know they say theyre switching to gsm this year, but talk is cheap...) Regardless, its very unlikely to work for 3g, though it should work for calls, gprs and edge, assuming they HAVE turned on gsm.
samsamuel said:
tmous =
gsm (calls, gprs, edge) on 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G HSDPA on 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
for rogers it will work for calls, gprs and edge on gsm 850/1900, but rogers also uses 850 and 1900 for 3g, so tmous wont work for 3g, and isnt telus cdma? or have they switched to gsm yet? (i know they say theyre switching to gsm this year, but talk is cheap...) Regardless, its very unlikely to work for 3g, though it should work for calls, gprs and edge, assuming they HAVE turned on gsm.
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thanx for the reply. telus side is surely selling gsm devices i guess. so maybe they r onn. not sure though. but other than rogers, are there any other gsm networks in toronto?
although i don use 3g at al so not a big deal for me as long as gsm works and only if sometimes req edge shd work. thats it.
also right now am in india, and i have tmobile usa HD2. moving to canada next week, is there any chance the customs ppl will have an eye on my cell phone and ask for its details? i bought it 4m ebay. if there is anything anyone know in this respect then do let me know(kinda off topic).
thanx.
I have a tmobile vibrant phone (hardware only). According to the phone specs i SHOULD be able to get 3g signal with my fido sim card since the phone seems to support all the same frequencies as the Canadian i9000.... but i only get edge.
If you guys are getting 3G with fido or rogers sim cards, did you have to set anything special in the phone settings?
Thanks!
Vibrant T-mobile 3G runs on 1700
that is why you only get EDGE (2G)
Fido, Rogers & Bell runs on 850 & 1900 for 3G
On my way to work today this is what i saw in the network box.
inside my house - EDGE
Outside my house - 3G
back country roads to work - i saw just G or no signal (normal i loose signal with my iphone and blackberry on there)
at work - back on edge
So i DO get 3g somehow! or is it just teasing me by showing 3G?
i read somewhere that the t-mo vibrant does have 1900 as one of its 3g bands, so this is why your phone has been able to pick up 3g at times. the problem for you is that rogers/fido mainly use the 850 band. i had the nokia n97 mini that had the 1900 but no 850 and while driving around most of the gta i would get 3g, but when i went into buildings, houses, etc, it would drop to edge.
Maybe your phone supports 1900 and not 850 MHz? Or the oposite? That would explain why you would get bad UMTS coverage.
@hondaguy you were faster than me
boravr6 said:
I have a tmobile vibrant phone (hardware only). According to the phone specs i SHOULD be able to get 3g signal with my fido sim card since the phone seems to support all the same frequencies as the Canadian i9000.... but i only get edge.
If you guys are getting 3G with fido or rogers sim cards, did you have to set anything special in the phone settings?
Thanks!
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To my knowledge the T-Mobile Vibrant does not support the major Canadian 3g bands. It is quad band 2g, which is why you are able to get edge but it is only 2 band 3g, at least according to this spec sheet:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2439&c=samsung_sgh-t959_galaxy_s_vibrant
T-mobile uses the 1700 and 2100 UMTS bands for 3g, Bell/Rogers/Telus/Virgin/Fido use 850/1900 UMTS bands for 3g. Therefore the 3g radio on the Vibrant is not compatible with these networks.
However, WIND mobile uses the 1700/2100 UMTS bands for 3g and you can use unlocked T-Mobile phones to their full ability on Wind's network. Wind is only in major urban centres though so this may not help you if you're not in the city. Hopefully you are as Wind has a pretty sweet unlimited data plan!
http://shop.windmobile.ca/
On the other hand according this this article from Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/22/confirmed-galaxy-s-unlock-codes-are-stored-in-your-phone-vibra/
If they're right that the Vibrant is somehow capable of AT&T 3g, it would mean the phone has to be tri-band UMTS: 850, 1700, 2100 (or 1700,1900,2100) as AT&T uses the 850/1900 bands like Rogers/Bell/Telus.
This doesn't make sense to me why T-Mobile would do this. The 850/1900 bands are really only used in North America on competing carriers, so it doesn't give the phone "world" capabilities, the 2100 band does that. Why they would add a feature who's only purpose is to make the phone work on competitors' networks is a mystery to me but Engadget seems to have a picture that confirms it. If this is true than an unlocked Vibrant should technically be able to work on Rogers/Bell/Telus/Fido/Virgin 3g, but only if it is unlocked. I'm pretty sure that T-Mobile sells their phones SIM locked to their network, have you unlocked yours?
~Edit if it does have 1900 as the third band the above posters are correct in that you will get minimal 3g coverage as 850 is the primary in Canada.
yeah i wanted to switch to Wind Mobile for the $35 true unlimited data plan, until i found out they don't work with normal 850/1900/2100 phones
only 1700 / 2100
Hi All
I have recently moved to Canada with my UK HTC HD2.
Since moving here I have changed my phone provider to Fido (Rogers Network). Internet seems extremely slow compared to my UK provider.
Someone told me that because I have a UK phone it is not using the correct bands for HSPA and that's why my internet access is so slow. Internet access is extremely fast on Wi-Fi so I know it's not a problem with the ROM etc.
Can anyone give me any ideas if this sounds correct - do I need to sell my UK HTC HD2 and purchase an American one to get over this problem?
Thanks
I think your friend is correct.
Rogers uses 850Mhz and 1900 Mhz, while in the
United Kingdom the bands used are 800Mhz and 1800Mhz (and some 2100Mhz),
Your UK HD2 is of European configuration, and should be able to cope with the Rogers frequencies. (See)
Your phone uses 900 - 2100 for 3G
Rogers provides it at 850 - 1900 , therefore your phone will slow down to GPRS speeds.
Have you tried flashing a new radio ROM?
If so, perhaps you should try another one.
At least in theory you could keep your phone and have mobile broadband.
What your friend is telling is true for dual band phones, however the HD2 is quad band..... Perhaps contact your provider (sometimes the dataplan has not been correctly activated, therefore access to mobile broadband is denied, and you will revert to the low GSM data band)
Otherwise contact HTC.
PS: Sorry for my ****-up
the t8585 (regular hd2) uses 900 and 2100 for 3g.
source
thats why canadian users with cash to splash go for the australian telstra model which uses 850/2100
You will only get GPRS and edge speeds, and no, the american wont get 3g either.
Yep....
I's official, I am cross-eyed, got the correct info, but wrong interpretation.
I stand corrected.
Thanks to both of you for the response .... I'm a little confused though!
So if I bought a T-Mobile USA model - that wouldn't give me 3G on the Rogers network I'm on? I have to buy an Australian Telstra model to get 3G?
Thanks!
*EDIT* ... Oh I think I get it now... I don't need to have the 850 and 1900 bands to use 3G on the Rogers network so long as I have one or the other - correct me if I am wrong please?
yea thats it, and the US hd2 has 1700/2100 which is why that one doesnt get 3g on rogers.
I get ya! Thanks for that.... so is Canada the only country that uses 1900? I'm asking because I now know that I can buy an Australian phone to suit the 850 but is there another country's phone apart from Canada that will use the 1900 band?
also I noticed something in my phone settings....there's an option to change my base band so I have selected 850/1900 GSM but it doesn't seem to have made a great deal of difference even after a reset
that's gsm, (calls, gprs and edge) nothing to do with the umts bands.
put umts bands into google, theres a Wikipedia page tells you what countries and networks use what bands.