I can't seem to find a clear answer...
Okay, so I am a little confused. I am looking at buying a T8585 for use on Telus' new GSM, HSPA network. PDADB says that the LEO 100 or T8585 runs:
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS210
and Telus indicates that their 3G network Runs on 1900/850 MHz frequency bands.
I guess I am coming across as a Noob - I just don't want to drop 600 bucks for something that isn't going to work.
Can somebody who knows more about this then me tell me if the T8585 will work with Telus with both voice and 3G connectivity?
Any help would be VERY MUCH appreciated.
Somebody told me that I need the T9193 (which has better specs) but it seems to me that the stats would make it incompatible.
It will not. You will need a T9193. See the T9193 reference thread for more information. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633404
Do note however, that AFAIK Telus does not have a 'fallback' GSM/EDGE network. It's 3G or nothing.
That being said, I believe there might be some roaming agreements with Rogers. As in, if 3G Telus coverage is not available, you may be able to hop on the Rogers network without issue. I would call them and ask! (and let me know what you find.)
Zeusus said:
I can't seem to find a clear answer...
Okay, so I am a little confused. I am looking at buying a T8585 for use on Telus' new GSM, HSPA network. PDADB says that the LEO 100 or T8585 runs:
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS210
and Telus indicates that their 3G network Runs on 1900/850 MHz frequency bands.
I guess I am coming across as a Noob - I just don't want to drop 600 bucks for something that isn't going to work.
Can somebody who knows more about this then me tell me if the T8585 will work with Telus with both voice and 3G connectivity?
Any help would be VERY MUCH appreciated.
Somebody told me that I need the T9193 (which has better specs) but it seems to me that the stats would make it incompatible.
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A bit over a month ago I was in your exact situation. I wanted an HTC HD2, I'm on TELUS, and I didn't know what this stuff meant.
"3G" is basically synonymous with "UMTS". "GSM" is a 2G technology, alongside "CDMA".
TELUS uses UMTS (with HSPA+) 850/1900, as well as CDMA. The T8585 Leo supports Quad-Band GSM (but TELUS has no GSM) and UMTS 900/2100.
Obviously therefore the T8585 Leo and TELUS have no frequencies in common, and therefore not only will you not get 3G coverage with the T8585 Leo from TELUS, you won't get any coverage period.
The T9193 Leo however, has a difference UMTS frequency: 850 instead of 900. This allows the T9193 Leo to get 3G coverage from TELUS. As far as I've been able to tell -- in Victoria, BC -- the 3G coverage with just 850mhz is just as good as with both 850/1900, and there are no "holes" in the 850 coverage. According to a TELUS rep I spoke with, all their towers project 850 and 1900, so your coverage at 850 should be complete.
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Among those of you with a deap knowledge of the inner working of HTC phone for 3G networks.
Is HTC doing something to phones for each carrier to lock the phone to a specific carriers 3G network and no other.
I'm asking because I was talking with a freind of mine who was given a HD2 as a part of a promotion for use on AT&T 3G network (850/2100). He uses T-Mobile and tried to get it to work with his T-Mobile SIM with no success. He also told me he had a conversation with someone from HTC that told him that he would no beable to get his HD2 to work on T-Mobile because the hardware will not work with T-Mobiles 3G network (1700/2100).
If this is the case does anyone know if it changable, is it a Firmware issue that can be changed or is it like hard wired physically?
Then the question is if we are buying these phone, some through contracts others outright, do we want to told whos service we have to use!!
Lets have some good discussion...
there are billions of threads on this.
3g is radio/hardware dependent. he'll unfortunately be stuck on EDGE.
He will have no issues using the phone with T-mobile usa. He will not get 3G because of the bands. He will just have edge. But calls, mms, text, email, and internet will all function properly.
Clarify this please
I bought my HTC HD2 in USA (unlocked) and here in Peru, where I live, I cannot get it to work with 3G. If I lived in USA, is there a way to know with what carrier I would get 3G ?
alejo1575 said:
I bought my HTC HD2 in USA (unlocked) and here in Peru, where I live, I cannot get it to work with 3G. If I lived in USA, is there a way to know with what carrier I would get 3G ?
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So you are on Claro in Peru?
For 3G you need a phone with 3G 1900 support. If it is the T-Mobile version, that would have 3G on 1700/2100 bands which would be no good. If you got an AT&T handset (850/1900) it would work for 3G for you.
You need to understand what 3G support your version of the phone has. For example mine (Telstra Australia) is 850/2100 - which would not be able to pick up 3G in your network - however it works excellent with Telstra (850) in Australia and currently working well with StarHub (2100) in Singapore.
Your phone is quad band - but that is GSM quadband not 3G - it is 3G dual band and that is what is important for your connection.
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See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks for list of 3G networks...
Yeah ...bad news
tallmantim said:
So you are on Claro in Peru?
For 3G you need a phone with 3G 1900 support. If it is the T-Mobile version, that would have 3G on 1700/2100 bands which would be no good. If you got an AT&T handset (850/1900) it would work for 3G for you.
You need to understand what 3G support your version of the phone has. For example mine (Telstra Australia) is 850/2100 - which would not be able to pick up 3G in your network - however it works excellent with Telstra (850) in Australia and currently working well with StarHub (2100) in Singapore.
Your phone is quad band - but that is GSM quadband not 3G - it is 3G dual band and that is what is important for your connection.
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See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks for list of 3G networks...
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Hi tallmantim ....
Thanks for your response. Yeah, today I did my homework and found that my HD2 has UMTS (HSDPA) 900 - 2100 bands, a fact that is not good because Claro and Movistar in Peru operated the 850 - 1900 bands for 3G.
Question: is there a HD2 version with 850 - 1900 band ????
alejo1575 said:
Hi tallmantim ....
Thanks for your response. Yeah, today I did my homework and found that my HD2 has UMTS (HSDPA) 900 - 2100 bands, a fact that is not good because Claro and Movistar in Peru operated the 850 - 1900 bands for 3G.
Question: is there a HD2 version with 850 - 1900 band ????
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No, but the Telstra HD2 will pick up the 850MHz signals where they exist. There is no HD2 with the 1900MHz UMTS band at the moment
lude219 said:
there are billions of threads on this.
3g is radio/hardware dependent. he'll unfortunately be stuck on EDGE.
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Would you mind pointing me in the direction of those BILLIONS of threads.
I've done searchs on hardware dependents, radio/hardware dependents, 3G radio.
There are so many way that is topic could be listed.
I'm finding nothing but my thread now just as before.
theisdept said:
a freind of mine who was given a HD2 as a part of a promotion for use on AT&T 3G network
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Then the question is if we are buying these phone, some through contracts others outright, do we want to told whos service we have to use!!
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Erm, so AT&T gives a phone, for promotion of their service, and at the same time they should allow you to use another network? You've got too much hope there...
alejo1575 said:
Hi tallmantim ....
Thanks for your response. Yeah, today I did my homework and found that my HD2 has UMTS (HSDPA) 900 - 2100 bands, a fact that is not good because Claro and Movistar in Peru operated the 850 - 1900 bands for 3G.
Question: is there a HD2 version with 850 - 1900 band ????
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yea my friend my phone is , and i am here with t mobile suffering from same problem like u , i bought that phone which is compatible with Asia , not here in usa
is there way to exchange??
mine is
Network HSPA/WCDMA:
900/2100 MHz
Up to 2 Mbps upload and 7.2 Mbps download speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency, HSPA availability, and data speed are
operator dependen)
egypro said:
is there way to exchange??
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exchange your phone for cash
exchange that cash for a phone that supports the correct bands.
I've decided to get an HD2, but I do not know if I should get the T8585 or T9193. I understand that they have different bands, but is there any other difference (aussie models)?
I don't know anything about the different bands. Currently I am just using a virgin prepaid sim. I'm not interested in a contract at the moment, so I'll likely continue with that. I am in Cairns, Australia.
Given this information, can anyone help me decide what model would be best for me?
bumpitty bump
If I'm not mistaken,
T9 is the only model that would give you 3g.
I think you are right. That the T9193 is the only one that would get true 3g speeds (on NextG). But given that I am not with Telstra, can I get NextG anyway?
Will the virgin sim work in the phone?
Thanks.
if you stay on virgin, get the T8585. (Yes the sim should work in the phone, assuming it isn't sim locked.)
virgin uses the optus network, which uses the bands
gsm
900/1800 for voice, gprs and edge
and
2100/900 for dual band high speed.
The 8585 has
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900,
UMTS900, UMTS2100
so its a full match
The 9193 however has 850/2100 UMTS so you would only get a single band high speed connection on the 2100.
Hi .. I was searching the forum because I want to purchase an HTC HD2 T9193 which, I know, has the 850 - 2100 Mhz band. But I found on the net a vendor who offers the HTC HD2 850 - 1900 Mhz band, is this right ?
On the other hand, if there is not such HD2 with 850 - 1900 Mhz band, the one with the 850 - 2100 band will pick up 3G in Canada ?
That model (850 / 1900) was supposed to come out (for AT&T most probably), but it has since been cancelled.
I'd be careful if I were you. You can find more info about it here
The Telstra model (T9193) supports 850 / 2100 MHz like you said. You'll need to check with your service provider if they support 850.
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...You'll need to check with your service provider if they support 850.
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Yes. You'll need to check if ATT supports the 850mhz band IN YOUR AREA.
I'm in a North Shore Suburb of Chicago area and have excellent reception with my T9193 in the area. There are 3 dead zones I've found so far that repeatedly drops calls using the HD2's 850mhz band exclusively. Other unlocked phones I've previously owned that used the 1900mhz band exclusively did NOT drop calls in these areas however. Other than that, reception has been great. It's been reported that ATT is "supposedly" moving their entire network to the 850mhz band exclusively by end of 2010. I'm doubtful they are on target for this date given the number of cities still without any 850mhz support.
T9193
Hi guys ...thanks for your responses. Well, I know that the most important service providers in Canada (Rogers, Telus, Fido) transmit 3G in the 850 - 1900 mhz band. I suppose I will not have problems whether I use the T9193
Hi guys,
Just got myself T-Mobile USA HD2. Its unlocked. Moving to toronto canada next week. Can someone tell me what frequencies does my HD2 work on?
and will it work on networks in Toronto, Canada? like Rogers, telus, etc.?
Kindly let me know.
Thanks
tmous =
gsm (calls, gprs, edge) on 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G HSDPA on 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
for rogers it will work for calls, gprs and edge on gsm 850/1900, but rogers also uses 850 and 1900 for 3g, so tmous wont work for 3g, and isnt telus cdma? or have they switched to gsm yet? (i know they say theyre switching to gsm this year, but talk is cheap...) Regardless, its very unlikely to work for 3g, though it should work for calls, gprs and edge, assuming they HAVE turned on gsm.
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tmous =
gsm (calls, gprs, edge) on 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G HSDPA on 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
for rogers it will work for calls, gprs and edge on gsm 850/1900, but rogers also uses 850 and 1900 for 3g, so tmous wont work for 3g, and isnt telus cdma? or have they switched to gsm yet? (i know they say theyre switching to gsm this year, but talk is cheap...) Regardless, its very unlikely to work for 3g, though it should work for calls, gprs and edge, assuming they HAVE turned on gsm.
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thanx for the reply. telus side is surely selling gsm devices i guess. so maybe they r onn. not sure though. but other than rogers, are there any other gsm networks in toronto?
although i don use 3g at al so not a big deal for me as long as gsm works and only if sometimes req edge shd work. thats it.
also right now am in india, and i have tmobile usa HD2. moving to canada next week, is there any chance the customs ppl will have an eye on my cell phone and ask for its details? i bought it 4m ebay. if there is anything anyone know in this respect then do let me know(kinda off topic).
thanx.
I have a tmobile vibrant phone (hardware only). According to the phone specs i SHOULD be able to get 3g signal with my fido sim card since the phone seems to support all the same frequencies as the Canadian i9000.... but i only get edge.
If you guys are getting 3G with fido or rogers sim cards, did you have to set anything special in the phone settings?
Thanks!
Vibrant T-mobile 3G runs on 1700
that is why you only get EDGE (2G)
Fido, Rogers & Bell runs on 850 & 1900 for 3G
On my way to work today this is what i saw in the network box.
inside my house - EDGE
Outside my house - 3G
back country roads to work - i saw just G or no signal (normal i loose signal with my iphone and blackberry on there)
at work - back on edge
So i DO get 3g somehow! or is it just teasing me by showing 3G?
i read somewhere that the t-mo vibrant does have 1900 as one of its 3g bands, so this is why your phone has been able to pick up 3g at times. the problem for you is that rogers/fido mainly use the 850 band. i had the nokia n97 mini that had the 1900 but no 850 and while driving around most of the gta i would get 3g, but when i went into buildings, houses, etc, it would drop to edge.
Maybe your phone supports 1900 and not 850 MHz? Or the oposite? That would explain why you would get bad UMTS coverage.
@hondaguy you were faster than me
boravr6 said:
I have a tmobile vibrant phone (hardware only). According to the phone specs i SHOULD be able to get 3g signal with my fido sim card since the phone seems to support all the same frequencies as the Canadian i9000.... but i only get edge.
If you guys are getting 3G with fido or rogers sim cards, did you have to set anything special in the phone settings?
Thanks!
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To my knowledge the T-Mobile Vibrant does not support the major Canadian 3g bands. It is quad band 2g, which is why you are able to get edge but it is only 2 band 3g, at least according to this spec sheet:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2439&c=samsung_sgh-t959_galaxy_s_vibrant
T-mobile uses the 1700 and 2100 UMTS bands for 3g, Bell/Rogers/Telus/Virgin/Fido use 850/1900 UMTS bands for 3g. Therefore the 3g radio on the Vibrant is not compatible with these networks.
However, WIND mobile uses the 1700/2100 UMTS bands for 3g and you can use unlocked T-Mobile phones to their full ability on Wind's network. Wind is only in major urban centres though so this may not help you if you're not in the city. Hopefully you are as Wind has a pretty sweet unlimited data plan!
http://shop.windmobile.ca/
On the other hand according this this article from Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/22/confirmed-galaxy-s-unlock-codes-are-stored-in-your-phone-vibra/
If they're right that the Vibrant is somehow capable of AT&T 3g, it would mean the phone has to be tri-band UMTS: 850, 1700, 2100 (or 1700,1900,2100) as AT&T uses the 850/1900 bands like Rogers/Bell/Telus.
This doesn't make sense to me why T-Mobile would do this. The 850/1900 bands are really only used in North America on competing carriers, so it doesn't give the phone "world" capabilities, the 2100 band does that. Why they would add a feature who's only purpose is to make the phone work on competitors' networks is a mystery to me but Engadget seems to have a picture that confirms it. If this is true than an unlocked Vibrant should technically be able to work on Rogers/Bell/Telus/Fido/Virgin 3g, but only if it is unlocked. I'm pretty sure that T-Mobile sells their phones SIM locked to their network, have you unlocked yours?
~Edit if it does have 1900 as the third band the above posters are correct in that you will get minimal 3g coverage as 850 is the primary in Canada.
yeah i wanted to switch to Wind Mobile for the $35 true unlimited data plan, until i found out they don't work with normal 850/1900/2100 phones
only 1700 / 2100