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So new there are very few specs so far, but the keyboard immediately reminded me of our phone. The screen still doesn't appear to be as big as ours, maybe 3 inches based on using the fingers in the photo for reference?
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/02/03/one-of-acers-mobile-world-congress-handsets-gets-pictured/
I think the design is stupid.
Clamshell or slideout tilting keyboard is the best design, if they really want a keyboard on the phone.
hello, im new to xda and i need a new phone asap. i cant decide between these 2 phones. i dont need a keyboard but would really like one and i dont need a big screen but it needs to be big enough to watch movies on, do word docs and powerpoints. anyone who has the x1, is the screen small for you? if you had to choose one of these phones and u had the money, which one would you get?
Touch HD: Big screen, accelerometer
Xperia: Hardware keyboard
I have both, and my vote goes to Touch HD. Mostly because of the screen size (big, but not too big. And it's finger friendly!).
The hardware keyboard on X1 is really nice however. So if you type often, go for the X1.
Everyones taste is different, so I recommend going to the closest retail store and check em both out
i might as well wait for the touch pro 2, only .2 of an inch smaller than the hd but also has a keyboard. also has a tilting screen and it looks like its made of metal.
catsrule30 said:
i might as well wait for the touch pro 2, only .2 of an inch smaller than the hd but also has a keyboard. also has a tilting screen and it looks like its made of metal.
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Sound like a good plan
do you know if its made of metal or plastic?
This has been discussed before, but more than a million words, better take a look at the POLL (link on my signature)
dogans said:
Touch HD: Big screen, accelerometer
Xperia: Hardware keyboard
I have both, and my vote goes to Touch HD. Mostly because of the screen size (big, but not too big. And it's finger friendly!).
The hardware keyboard on X1 is really nice however. So if you type often, go for the X1.
Everyones taste is different, so I recommend going to the closest retail store and check em both out
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The keyboard is good until it gets unresponsive.
catsrule30 said:
i might as well wait for the touch pro 2, only .2 of an inch smaller than the hd but also has a keyboard. also has a tilting screen and it looks like its made of metal.
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dogans said:
Sound like a good plan
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Wait for the Touch Pro2.
gtrab said:
This has been discussed before, but more than a million words, better take a look at the POLL (link on my signature)
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Do other users have a big banner in their signature asking for people to vote for their device?
my vote goes for the X1, better battery, better support (here in Sweden) hardware keyboard (very needed) and flashlight (better camera) I don't watch movies on my phones, but yes it looks good when watching with the Xperia screen, otherwise I use my PSP or my HP TX1020 (12") if I really need to watch movies when on a trip or something
imo the touch hd only have one advantage and it's the screen, I don't see the accelerometer like a "big" thing...
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/24/htc-lancaster-is-a-qwerty-slider-with-android-for-atandt/
i thinks thats twice as ugly as the G1
Yikes! 4 row keyboard, 240x320 res, chin just empty, looks like it doesn't have a trackball either. Although the red accents on the keyboard for the symbols is cool looking.
Only way it could look worse was if it had the keyboard color scheme from this
http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/24/htcs-warhawk-and-fortress-are-atandts-touch-diamond2-and-pro2/
I never thought the G1 was ugly...
BSDADON said:
Yikes! 4 row keyboard, 240x320 res, chin just empty, looks like it doesn't have a trackball either. Although the red accents on the keyboard for the symbols is cool looking.
Only way it could look worse was if it had the keyboard color scheme from this
http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/24/htcs-warhawk-and-fortress-are-atandts-touch-diamond2-and-pro2/
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yea, buts its pretty cool how that touch pro 2 has a seperate number pad, like a desktop,might give some people a homey feeling.
Actually, personally I thought the Lancaster looked very attractive, very sleek and smooth unlike the boxy G1. However, the feature set and specs on that thing, are terribly ugly. Tiny screen, no auto-focus, mediocre screen resolution, and no trackball? Maybe they have a capacitive mouse pad in place of the trackball like on the Helio Ocean 2.
SolemnWishing said:
Actually, personally I thought the Lancaster looked very attractive, very sleek and smooth unlike the boxy G1. However, the feature set and specs on that thing, are terribly ugly. Tiny screen, no auto-focus, mediocre screen resolution, and no trackball? Maybe they have a capacitive mouse pad in place of the trackball like on the Helio Ocean 2.
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Thats how I felt, although I like the way the G1 looks (gotten used to). Kind of like wow look at this hot chick, I could see myself with her, etc, etc. Then she opens her mouth and it is a pile of sad. That is what the lancaster is to me, nice shell but the inside just kills it for me and makes it unattractive. Now give me a mediocre phone with good insides and you have my G1.
If they price it as an entry level phone (i.e. free or no more than $50 with contract), it could do very well and put android in a lot of people's hands.
AT&T? TRADERS!!!!!!!! lol i think its kinda HAWT Ive always liked the G1. people just ***** because its not as attractive as its competitors but Ive always liked HTC Hardware
I've always found the g1 to be quite smexy xD
I think that phone looks good, but I wouldn't get it due to lackluster specs.
Also, I have loved the G1 since it came out. Maybe I like it because it's quirky and ugly. Still, I think it looks great.
I would rather see a row of number keys on the keyboard. I like the G1's chin, protects the screen if you were to drop it
sarcasm or serious?
i think that phone is sexy, will trade with my G1!
I like it. Bad part it is ATT.
First things first: I generally like my HD2 - It's fast, has a nice display and a lot of other nice features but the touch screen outright sucks and is bordering on useless. Of course the iphone screen isn't much better but it still beats the HD2 screen hands down.
What's all the fuss about capacitive screens? All I can see is a loss in functionality. I hear their more durable but who cares whether the screen lasts 3 years or 10???? It's nowhere near as precise as any other touch screen device I ever owned. I can't use a stylus for drawing small things or playing most games....try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk...or Warfare Incorporated.
I installed a sensitivity fix cab and it's somewhat usable for day to day stuff but still.....the 4.3" screen is nowhere near as usable as the 3" my X1 had and I could operate that with my finger only quite all right.
Seems like there nothing in capacitive screens other than being iphone-like. Why not have a 4.3" resistive screen? What's the actual downside?
ewok666 said:
try playing crayon physics
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I am and it works just fine for me
There are styluses (styli?) available for cap. screens also though.
The advantige of capacitive touch screens:
Glass can be used. Less vulnerable.
multi touch can be implemented.
more touch sensetive.
The advantige of resistive touch screens:
more accurate without software.
simple styles can be used.
cheap.
greatings,
marc
ewok666 said:
I can't use a stylus for drawing small things or playing most games....try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk...or Warfare Incorporated.
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Get ready to be flamed for your attitude. Coming onto a forum for fans of a device and calling it an "absolute piece of junk" is a pretty good way to not make friends!
Anyway, I finished Crayon Physics the other day, and had no problems doing so with my fingers. I suggest that the hardware isn't the problem here. Everyone else seems to manage fine.
I'd say the biggest downside of capacitive screens is the absence of multitouch capabilities. I have absolutely no problems operating my phone with it's capacitive screen. So to speak, Windows Mobile 6.x.x isn't really optimized for it anyways, as the HD2 was the first phone with capacitive screen on the platform.
If you wanted to work precise with a stylus then maybe you shouldn't have bought an HD2 in the first place.
ewok666 said:
... try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk
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No offence but I would say that not being able to play/finish crayon physics deluxe with this peace of jewellery is of course not caused by the screen or the phone. I would search the cause somewhere else.....
ewok666 said:
First things first: I generally like my HD2 - It's fast, has a nice display and a lot of other nice features but the touch screen outright sucks and is bordering on useless. Of course the iphone screen isn't much better but it still beats the HD2 screen hands down.
What's all the fuss about capacitive screens? All I can see is a loss in functionality. I hear their more durable but who cares whether the screen lasts 3 years or 10???? It's nowhere near as precise as any other touch screen device I ever owned. I can't use a stylus for drawing small things or playing most games....try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk...or Warfare Incorporated.
I installed a sensitivity fix cab and it's somewhat usable for day to day stuff but still.....the 4.3" screen is nowhere near as usable as the 3" my X1 had and I could operate that with my finger only quite all right.
Seems like there nothing in capacitive screens other than being iphone-like. Why not have a 4.3" resistive screen? What's the actual downside?
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The whole benefit of a capacitive screen for me is that I don't have to use a stylus. If I wanted to use a stylus I would have gone for a different phone.
Why did you buy this phone if you wanted to use a stylus? You can however get one, have you tried that first before falling out with the phone? It could fulfill all your needs and then you'll see how good the HD2 is.
I think that it is a matter of habit and getting used to resistive screens in your case. I havent had a resistive screen ever but i played a quite a lot with some and i must say that capacitive is much more interactive, finger friendly and intuitive than resistive so you might just try not to be so stuborn and give it a chance Everytime i try to do something with my girlfriends' resistive samsung and i keep getting stuck with not knowing how hard should I push the screen exactly ... I am not a fan of the resistive and after all it is called TOUCH screen not a Push screen Enjoy your Hd mate !
You can use fingers on resistive touchscreens. These days even resistive touchscreens can have multitouch.
I think the main advantage of capacitive screen is the glass, as was mentioned. Resistive screen must deform under the touching object, which means it wears down.
For phone, capacitive screen is just ok.
For tablet PCs, I'd like to see combination of capacitive screen with electromagnetic stylus (like tablet has) where you could switch the mode.
Capacitive screen is good for fast controls, but if you draw with stylus, you don't want the screen to react on random touches.
For example iPad has rather thick borders around the screen .. because you have to hold it somehow without actually touching the screen.
ewok666 said:
try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk
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The game is so addictive i completed this morning. Try junking your fingers?
A capacitive screen makes our screen a real touch screen instead of 'tap screen'.
kruithofm said:
The advantige of capacitive touch screens:
more touch sensetive.
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I don't think so. Resistive is much more sensitive and precise. Pen stroke input used to be the reason PPC stuck to resistive input.
Being an HD2 fan doesn't mean a capacitive fan. Capacitive is the reason that I nearly bought an Omnia II instead of HD2. For me, it is something to hate.
With resistive, I don't mind carrying around a stylus when it means I can do precision work. And I can still use my fingers when I need to.
Now that we have WVGA, I believe now that we can sacrifice screen estate and use huge UIs so that capacitive screen can survive. But that means old applications written for resistive screens (including WM6.1 dialogues) usually have too small UIs for use on HD2.
Alex, That the Capacitive touch is more sensetive is an advantige, with the interface or software you can decrese the sensetivety. On resistive touch screens it is technicaly inposible to get the sensetivety as high as on capacitive.
It is posible to make resistive touch screens multitouch. only that takes a lot of software to calculate positions of pressing.
The techniek is very different between both. therefore you love it or you don't. some get used to it, some don't. It is all personal. There are even people who love the small keyboards. And even my wife loves only the number keys on the normal simple phones since she uses the dictionairy. And I have to say, She is faster writing a sms than me.
So everyone should use whatever they like. Every option has it's advantiges.
johncmolyneux said:
Get ready to be flamed for your attitude. Coming onto a forum for fans of a device and calling it an "absolute piece of junk" is a pretty good way to not make friends!
Anyway, I finished Crayon Physics the other day, and had no problems doing so with my fingers. I suggest that the hardware isn't the problem here. Everyone else seems to manage fine.
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I should have been more specific: The junk I'm referring to is the screen and NOT the device. Like I said, I like the device but IMHO all the 'advantages' of capacitive don't make up for its downsides.
Just to address some of the comments:
Resistive screens CAN be touch operated without a stylus
They do NOT break down all the time
AFAIK they CAN support multitouch
Maybe it's just the crappy implementation of capacitive that HTC has done. The Iphone screen does not seem to suffer from all the issues the HD2 has:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=595655
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604831
The stylus for capacitive screens is a joke. Come on, do they have to be that fat and ugly? Is there really no way to have a small, pointy, conductive stylus?
Are capacitive screen really a requirement for WM7?
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The stylus for capacitive screens is a joke. Come on, do they have to be that fat and ugly? Is there really no way to have a small, pointy, conductive stylus?
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Learn before you preach.
johncmolyneux said:
Get ready to be flamed for your attitude. Coming onto a forum for fans of a device and calling it an "absolute piece of junk" is a pretty good way to not make friends!
Anyway, I finished Crayon Physics the other day, and had no problems doing so with my fingers. I suggest that the hardware isn't the problem here. Everyone else seems to manage fine.
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Hahahahahaha!!! John is right. Better be careful what you post on this forum.
I say put your fingers on a strict diet! Enroll them in a exercise regime until you can use your "piece of junk" effectively.
Well, for me the #1 reason for me to get an HD2 IS the capacitive screen.
I've had many many resistive screen devices (1 old pocketpc, 4 HTC phones, 2 touch-enabled UMPCs), and I'm tired of having to use my nail to press on that screen. It's perfectly fine on old-style UIs that rely on clicks only, but for the "new" flick, scroll, tap, pinch, rotate, capacitive is just the way to go.
Still getting mad when I tap my Kaiser's screen with my finger (not the nail) and it thinks I want to scroll, and goes 2 pages down... only works fine with something sharp, whatever the settings/tweaks.
capacitive is a reason to buy for me: it is what made the HD2 stand out for me. I will never go back to resistive technology.
I must say though that in my opinion the iPhone display is of a superior quality, not in terms of pixel count, but certainly in terms of its accuracy, sensitivity and reliability. it is simply a lot easier to tap out words on the iPhone than on the HD2. It also responds better to cold (if I go out in the winter breeze I sometimes find my HD2 starts pressing keys and moving the screen about of its own accord).
ewok666 said:
I should have been more specific: The junk I'm referring to is the screen and NOT the device. Like I said, I like the device but IMHO all the 'advantages' of capacitive don't make up for its downsides.
Just to address some of the comments:
Resistive screens CAN be touch operated without a stylus
They do NOT break down all the time
AFAIK they CAN support multitouch
Maybe it's just the crappy implementation of capacitive that HTC has done. The Iphone screen does not seem to suffer from all the issues the HD2 has:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=595655
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604831
The stylus for capacitive screens is a joke. Come on, do they have to be that fat and ugly? Is there really no way to have a small, pointy, conductive stylus?
Are capacitive screen really a requirement for WM7?
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try walkin down the street while tryin to send an sms using the stylus on a resistive screen...u'll be sooo glad ur hd2 is capacitive...
kruithofm said:
The advantige of capacitive touch screens:
Glass can be used. Less vulnerable.
multi touch can be implemented.
more touch sensetive.
The advantige of resistive touch screens:
more accurate without software.
simple styles can be used.
cheap.
greatings,
marc
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this should have been end of thread.
Too small for my big fingers. Thanks!
Nope. Get a phone with a bigger screen.
I thought the keyboard was too small as well because I'm used to a physical keyboard (Tilt). It takes a while to get used to, but it's pretty functional.
I'm sure you have tried, but if haven't, switch it to landscape and the keyboard should be larger.
Aturayd said:
Nope. Get a phone with a bigger screen.
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Very helpful there guy, thanks alot.
XeNoMoRpH1030 said:
I thought the keyboard was too small as well because I'm used to a physical keyboard (Tilt). It takes a while to get used to, but it's pretty functional.
I'm sure you have tried, but if haven't, switch it to landscape and the keyboard should be larger.
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I'm disappointed in at&t for not picking up the 7 Pro that went to sprint since it is basically the successor to the previous 2 Tilts.
wait for the tilt3.
dressanderc said:
Very helpful there guy, thanks alot.
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If landscape is too small for you on a 3.8" screen i dont know what else to tell you. Maybe the HD7 would be a better fit.
Aturayd said:
If landscape is too small for you on a 3.8" screen i dont know what else to tell you. Maybe the HD7 would be a better fit.
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I think what he is talking about is how the keyboard does not resize in landscape mode to utilize the extra real estate offered - it really is annoying...
But it does resize in landscape mode?
XeNoMoRpH1030 said:
But it does resize in landscape mode?
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It does resize, but it doesn't stretch to take up the whole width of the screen. Basically, when you flip to landscape mode, your status bar runs along the left of the screen and your menu bar runs along the right, so it looks like there's some empty spaces on the sides of the keyboard.