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Was 3G now G

Flashed T-Mobile 1.43 to generic 1.66 which has improved the loud call volume and distortion greatly. But the network now says G rather than 3G are they the same?
Does this mean the network settings have changed. I have selected T-Mobile as the network internet.
Any suggestions would be welcome.
Thanks

3G is as you expect 3G, G is GPRS which is deffinately NOT 3G speed.
Chances are the rom you have installed has 3G mode off by default. Open Comm Mannager and you should find some toggle switches, one for data connection, and another for 3G. If the data connection one is on, but 3g is 'off', you will get G or E (for edge), but with the 3G one 'on' you should get H (HSDPA) or 3G

Tlooked through the settings and there is nothing that switches 3G on or off.
Anyone else seen this?
Thanks.

Suggestion:
Flash to Dutty's HG v8, which is based on the t-mobile ROM and has this option (and is much better than 1.66 stock, IMO)

I don't know about you since you are on T-Mobile, and if there is a 1.66 ROM released explicitly for the T-Mobile net, but I'll share my knowledge on this:
I'm located in Sweden and use the HD2 on the Tele2 net. I also upgraded to 1.66 and got the exact same problem as you.
I tried the 2.07 rom and the problem remained, however after 2-3 hours I finally got 3G connection.
The problem is that both 1.66 and 2.07 comes with newer radios. These Radios are the reason I can't use 3G at least. I downgraded the Radio to 2.05.51.05_2 and it all works fine for me now. I don't know if this is operator related or hardware related and hence I'd like to know if the 1.66 ROM you installed is explicitly released for the T-Mobile net.
If that's the case I'll probably need to contact my vendor since I'll probably not be able to use any of the newer Radios, which frankly sucks. Please let me know!

I have the 1.66 on Virgin UK (Tmobile and the 3G has not dropped at all.
Don't know if that helps or confuses ?

donalgodon said:
Suggestion:
Flash to Dutty's HG v8, which is based on the t-mobile ROM and has this option (and is much better than 1.66 stock, IMO)
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Ild rather have the choice, than no choice at all. Dutty's ROM has been the only flashes ive needed since T-Mobile stock ROMs.

The ROM is the latest 1.66 on the HTC website. I asked T-Mobile about it but the person did not really know. They asked if the internet connection was fast, but since I've had the phone it has been patchy. It seems reasonably fast today. We have two other T-Mobile phones, HTC Hero and Samsung Galaxy and both these also show the G and these are non flashed standard as bought.
I'm a bit nervous about using cooked ROMs.
Andy

Went over to Hungerford this morning and 3G came up so it must be a network/location issue and nothing associated with ROM 1.66.
Good to know all functionality is still there.
Thanks for all the replies.
Andy

andyrpsmith said:
Went over to Hungerford this morning and 3G came up so it must be a network/location issue and nothing associated with ROM 1.66.
Good to know all functionality is still there.
Thanks for all the replies.
Andy
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As I said, in my case it took a couple of hours (no matter location) and the 3G appeared. Could you do a soft reset when you get the 3G at Hungerford and see how long it takes before you get 3G again?

Signal is AWFULL! (When Handled)

I've copied this from the Vodafone (UK) forum - but I don't seem to be the only one with a proble... Any help would be greatly appreciated!
I've had my HD2 for just a few days now and I can honestly say that unless something is sorted soon I won't be using it much longer! I have exactly the same problem in both DT1 and BH20 post codes. Singal is good and strong when the device is left on a desk/table etc... I can have FULL signal but lift the device up and it drops to 3, 2, 1 and then no signal...
I can make perfect phone calls using hands free, but can't even send or recieve a text if I pick the phone up. We're talking less than 24" of movement here so it has to be device related!
Comparing this to the HTC Diamond. The Diamond although showing slightly less signal (2-3bars) is much more stable and non-reactive to being handled.
I'm using the very latest updates with HSDPA/HSUPA disabled.
It would seem that HTC has dropped the ball here.
(HSPL - ROM 1.66)
Vodafone thread - http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=48152&st=0

I replied to your post in the Vodafone forum assuming you were still on the stock 1.43 ROM, but if you are on 1.66 then I am not sure what to suggest as you mentioned that it happens in multiple areas which seem to be a fair way apart and therefore would be on different transmitters (unless you are unfortunate enough to be in several areas all suffering from faulty cell-towers).
I know mine drops a bar when I pick it up but not 2 to 3 and then to no signal...
Maybe you should contact HTC about a replacement? Dont bother with Vodafone as they'll offer you a Blackberry 9700 if they cant fix it...

SOunds faulty to me. There is sometimes a small drop in signal for me when the phoe is cupped in my hand, but not more than 1 bar, usually none.
I'd get on to your provider for a warranty replacement.

Nothing such here. And I'm in a low reception place here, seems it even does better than my previous Kaiser.

Seems that Vodafone is a bit of a crappy network in terms of its compatibility with phones! If it's not text messages staying in the outbox it's data disconnecting/not working and no picture messaging NOW rubbish signal....jeez. I've been on T-Mobile with the HD2 since it arrived in november and haven't had one single problem with texts, data, signal....anything. I've had two different handsets in that time too since I sold the first upgrade.
In all seriousness though I do also have a prototype pro.three (pre-release HD2) and that suffers from low signal/signal dropout so in this instance it seems that you have a faulty unit.
I do hear a lot of moaning Voda users on these forums though which makes me quite likely to steer clear when I get my upgrade in a few weeks.

Link added:
Vodafone thread - http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=48152&st=0
It doesn't look like its JUST my phone here...
Outside this problem is not half as bad.

Lots of people across the world are having problems with the SMS thing.
Its also not limited to the HD2 handset as I had it on Kaiser when I updated that handset to WM6.5

Is the 2.07 radio much better? I'm currently using 2.06 at the moment...

dan_t said:
Is the 2.07 radio much better? I'm currently using 2.06 at the moment...
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signal reception seems better (vodafone) however a few including me have an isue of static noise when someone speaks. I have this on 2.07 and 2.08 radios - not sure if its network related. I'm using a custom rom, and have no choise but to use 2.07 or higher, unless i revert back to a previous rom.

ardsar said:
signal reception seems better (vodafone) however a few including me have an isue of static noise when someone speaks. I have this on 2.07 and 2.08 radios - not sure if its network related. I'm using a custom rom, and have no choise but to use 2.07 or higher, unless i revert back to a previous rom.
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I've tried the 2.07 radio and its not noticably better
I've now made my own thread over at Vodafone... it'll be interesting to see what they have to say about it!
http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=52093

If you can flash ROMs try Leo Lite V2.2 WWE with the 2.08.50.08_2 radio.
I'm in a very patchy area and behind solar glass and the above setup gives me signal strength and stability better than any other ROM/radio combo or phone I have ever had. This includes many other HTC and Nokia phones.
I never seem to miss a call now and the SMS problemis gone although I believe that is partly to do with the cooked ROM setup.
Also I can pull in H and 3G signals that I could not before.

pa49 said:
If you can flash ROMs try Leo Lite V2.2 WWE with the 2.08.50.08_2 radio.
I'm in a very patchy area and behind solar glass and the above setup gives me signal strength and stability better than any other ROM/radio combo or phone I have ever had. This includes many other HTC and Nokia phones.
I never seem to miss a call now and the SMS problemis gone although I believe that is partly to do with the cooked ROM setup.
Also I can pull in H and 3G signals that I could not before.
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Does the ROM actually play any part in this though or is it just the RADIO upgrade? I've just gone over to 2.08 but using the stock HTC 1.66 ROM

have you checked that the battery cover is on correctly? there are to prongs on the inside of it that make it part of the arial

dan_t said:
Does the ROM actually play any part in this though or is it just the RADIO upgrade? I've just gone over to 2.08 but using the stock HTC 1.66 ROM
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The Rom affects the sms issue (I believe) and my current LeoLite ROM (now 2.3) shows no sms problem and sits well with the radio I mentioned as it unlocks the extra memory.
Addendum
There is a link with ROM and radio through the rilphone.dll that is cooked in to the ROMs.
e.g. The correct rilphone for T-mobileUK will assist in accessing the T-mobile network with the correct protocols required for the services on that network. And same would go for all other operators (who may or may not have their own rilphone file configured to their requirements). I am unaware of any signature that would differentiate between the files, however, it's safe to assume that a rilphone.dll extracted from a stock T-mobileUK ROM would be the appropriate one for their network access.
I haven't seen a lot of experimentation on this although I have tried out various files on the ROMs I have flashed without any real conclusion emerging.
The combination that I mention is just a solid setup that works well for me on my operators network in my location.

[Q] Radio

I'm on the 3 network in Australia and I find my reception is quite poor.
I understand 3's network coverage isn't as amazing as Telstra or Optus, but it is meant to be strong around the CBD, which mine isnt. Other friends on the network using non-htc handsets have perfect reception in places I don't. This leads me to believe it might be my radio. Even when roaming reception will drop out occasionally.
I have Radio-3.22.20.17. Are there any other Australian 3 users here? What radio are you using? How is your reception? Would a 6.35 radio be better? I've searched XDA, Google, etc and couldn't find decent radio information for the Magic, only found some for the Hero.
Thanks,

Anyone able to help?

i don't know much about the radio side of things, but is there anything else that could be affecting your reception?
do you have a cover on your phone?
does reception improve if it's removed?
have you contacted 3 to see if there might be a fault with your phone?

I have a cover, but reception isn't affected with it on or off. I've also had the phone checked and its fine.
I want to test a new radio/rom to see if it improves but I don't want to go back to Android 1.5 and there are no 100% working 2.1 roms, so I'll have to wait.

Are there any threads similar to this one? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=563757

Hi there,
I'm from Australia as well. I used to use the new radio to be able to flash the cursorsense rom and it works great. Inside my office, most of the time I didnt get any reception at all but with the new radio, it did.
i switched back to the old radio to use another rom though. (at that time, rom for the new radio is not that much). at the moment, my mobile phone is roaming
you might want to try the new radio (I believe this takes more space than the old radio as my internal space just disappeared). however be careful with that, i think it's the error in flashing of radio n spl that can cause you to brick your phone.

lagu805 said:
Hi there,
I'm from Australia as well. I used to use the new radio to be able to flash the cursorsense rom and it works great. Inside my office, most of the time I didnt get any reception at all but with the new radio, it did.
i switched back to the old radio to use another rom though. (at that time, rom for the new radio is not that much). at the moment, my mobile phone is roaming
you might want to try the new radio (I believe this takes more space than the old radio as my internal space just disappeared). however be careful with that, i think it's the error in flashing of radio n spl that can cause you to brick your phone.
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I ended up trying CursorSense. I hate Sense UI so I removed it, but I didn't notice any signal difference. I also ran Before and After speedtests numerous times and averaged them and the new radio was slower for me

so sorry to hear that...
well, at least i finally found someone from australia using magic and a member of xda as well..

I've not used my Magic on 3, but I can relate to your signal issues on their network. The only contract phone I ever had was with them and I regretted it, call drops and poor signal no matter where I was, I used to work in the stock exchange building, you'd think a phone would have awesome signal there but I'd be stuck on 1-2 bars Sorry to say it, but I think you can blame 3, not your phone.

[Q] which is the best uk radio rom

iv been searching around and cant seem to find which one is best, most of them cause my data connection to fail for a second or two when i connect to opera or is this another issue and not my radio,
any advice would be great

adamlowry1988 said:
iv been searching around and cant seem to find which one is best, most of them cause my data connection to fail for a second or two when i connect to opera or is this another issue and not my radio,
any advice would be great
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Try the Radio I'm using, it's working pretty well, reception is good, data connection is good, give it a go! But you should really test some out before posting a thread as every reply will be different, it's difficult to say which is the 'best'!

I recently upgraded my radio to 2.15.50.14. Since the upgrade I have noticed an increase in battery life++ and less switching between H/3g/2g. Data connections feel much quicker on HSDPA but this is purely anecdotal as I have no speedtest results to compare.
This is on T-mobile UK.
In my experience a Radio that works really well on one network/Country may not be the best choice on a different network/Country.
It doesn't cost anything to flash a Radio, so experiment away. Read the stickies in the ROMs forum to avoid "Bricking" your HD2.

wizzzard said:
I recently upgraded my radio to 2.15.50.14. Since the upgrade I have noticed an increase in battery life++ and less switching between H/3g/2g. Data connections feel much quicker on HSDPA but this is purely anecdotal as I have no speedtest results to compare.
This is on T-mobile UK.
In my experience a Radio that works really well on one network/Country may not be the best choice on a different network/Country.
It doesn't cost anything to flash a Radio, so experiment away. Read the stickies in the ROMs forum to avoid "Bricking" your HD2.
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Where about do you live? I'm about to try your Radio, to see how it goes

How did you get on radio-wise?
I am on tmobile in the uk.
On recent radios ( not tried every single one of course) I get my signal dropping down to 4 dots where I know I get good signal. I just flashed one of the 2.10.x radios and its definitely dropping down to4 dots alot less but still not how it used to be. I will try others in the morning.
I was wondering if there is a definitive list of the best radio depending on which provider you're with?
Thanks.
Yans.

HD2 - Best radio for UK Tmobile
I know it's been asked a thousand times before, but does anybody have actual experiences on the HD2 with Android running of SD, and being on Tmobile?

I must agree, 2.12.50.02.2 does work amazingly. I tested a lot before agreeing to this one. And android seems to connect straight away with it installed. I had 2.08, 2.09 & 2.10 before & had to constantly switch my network connections from WCDMA/GSM (HSPA/3G/GSM) to WCDMA only (HSPA/3G) and back again while running android. However, 2.12 never had the problem.

best radio for hd2 & UK Tmobile
I think I have to agree. I have tried lots of them, but am going back to 2.10 and 2.12, and out of the two, 2.12 seems the better. I also had to contstantly turn my hsdap on and off and on again to get connections as it dropped often. What kind of donwload speeds do you average?

O2 Sim Problem on Blackstone

My htc touch hd was originally on orange but i unlocked it and am using o2 pay as you go sim. however i never get a strong signal, and sometimes when i call people nothing happens when i check my balance sometimes it just says operation failed.
theres nothing wrong with the sim card as i've used it on other phones perfectly, and i've used a vodafone sim on my blackstone and its worked perfectly
also when im using android (problem occurs on all versions e.g. froyo/gingerbread) on my blackstone it says im on bt cellnet whilst im on o2 and so i my o2 sim card is useless on android. Do any other o2 users have this problem?
Should i get a new sim card? and is this with all o2 sim cards on blackstone?
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yeh still the same problem, signal always seems to be weak, but im gonna try the nandroid rom, my main isssue is that when ive used android on my blackstone from the sd card it says im on bt cellnet- when im on o2 !

while from several clues in your post i assume you are in the UK, it would have been nice to mention that, since o2 exists in several countries with different sim cards, network infrastructures and frequencies.
from a quick search i found that orange uk is operating on the 1800mhz band, while o2 appears to be on the 900mhz band. assuming that while changing your sim card, you did not change the rom or any settings, this might be the solution:
open phone->menu->options
1. ->network, set network selection to automatic.
2. ->band, set network type to automatic and gsm/umts band to automatic
also, depending on your rom, there might be an automatic band selection option in comm manager.
while these are windows mobile settings, it might still affect your android problems as well, since android through haret is based on windows correctly loading hardware drivers.
the settings here are taken from my htc wwe 1.56 stock rom, values or naming might vary.

Chef_Tony said:
while from several clues in your post i assume you are in the UK, it would have been nice to mention that, since o2 exists in several countries with different sim cards, network infrastructures and frequencies.
from a quick search i found that orange uk is operating on the 1800mhz band, while o2 appears to be on the 900mhz band. assuming that while changing your sim card, you did not change the rom or any settings, this might be the solution:
open phone->menu->options
1. ->network, set network selection to automatic.
2. ->band, set network type to automatic and gsm/umts band to automatic
also, depending on your rom, there might be an automatic band selection option in comm manager.
while these are windows mobile settings, it might still affect your android problems as well, since android through haret is based on windows correctly loading hardware drivers.
the settings here are taken from my htc wwe 1.56 stock rom, values or naming might vary.
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yes from uk
yeh im using a kwbr rom(i think), on all roms ive tried including windows, i get the problem
for my band setting they are both auto, so do i change anything?
on network type its auto, band frequency is auto but i can choose from
auto,gsm(900+1800) + umts (900+1200), gsm(1900+850) or umts (2100)
so do u know how to fix the android problem thats my main concern, if nandroid comes to blackstone will the problem still occur?

you could give it a go with gsm on the top one and gsm(900+1800)+umts(900+2100), since according to my research o2 uk operates on 900mhz for gsm and umts.
i am fairly certain, this issue originates in your windows mobile settings and is therefor also present in haret android. nandroid works in another way. since it is flashed directly in the rom space of the device, it replaces winmo and it will not depend on winmo for the initialization of the hardware. which is why i believe, the issue might not be present there.
also: have you tried other roms and/or other radio roms? the latest radio 1.17.25.09 is known for a generally better performance (which comes with the downside of slightly higher power consumption).

Chef_Tony said:
you could give it a go with gsm on the top one and gsm(900+1800)+umts(900+2100), since according to my research o2 uk operates on 900mhz for gsm and umts.
i am fairly certain, this issue originates in your windows mobile settings and is therefor also present in haret android. nandroid works in another way. since it is flashed directly in the rom space of the device, it replaces winmo and it will not depend on winmo for the initialization of the hardware. which is why i believe, the issue might not be present there.
also: have you tried other roms and/or other radio roms? the latest radio 1.17.25.09 is known for a generally better performance (which comes with the downside of slightly higher power consumption).
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nah i havent used other radio roms- i thought they just affected the radio, im not sure of what radio roms do. maybe ill try other radio roms when i've got time
ill change my band settings, will this have an effect on 3g and signal strength or anything?

the radio rom handles all kinds of interactions between the windows mobile operating system and the hardware. this includes the fm radio, but also the camera, bluetooth, speaker, microphone, wi-fi, gps and also wireless communications like gsm and 3g.
so it might help your case. you should perform a hard reset after flashing a radio though, because previously stored bluetooth pairings or stored wi-fi networks might not work afterwards w/o a hard reset.
as mentioned above, the latest version 1.17.25.09 improves performance like quicker gps fix, better wi-fi signal and better gsm signal. also, have a look at this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1111373 and the one linked in there for information on how other people handled their similar signal problems.

Chef_Tony said:
the radio rom handles all kinds of interactions between the windows mobile operating system and the hardware. this includes the fm radio, but also the camera, bluetooth, speaker, microphone, wi-fi, gps and also wireless communications like gsm and 3g.
so it might help your case. you should perform a hard reset after flashing a radio though, because previously stored bluetooth pairings or stored wi-fi networks might not work afterwards w/o a hard reset.
as mentioned above, the latest version 1.17.25.09 improves performance like quicker gps fix, better wi-fi signal and better gsm signal. also, have a look at this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1111373 and the one linked in there for information on how other people handled their similar signal problems.
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thanks ive read this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=560451
and downloaded the radio u suggested lets see if it works!
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yeh still the same problem, signal always seems to be weak, but im gonna try the nandroid rom, my main isssue is that when ive used android on my blackstone from the sd card it says im on bt cellnet- when im on o2 !