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I'm just wondering why people make it seem like this phone is so bad from the factory. It runs MUCH faster than any other Win Mo device and I haven't seen it freeze one time. I have an Android g1 on my other line which runs about as fast as an iphone in my opinion and I've never had any problems with freezing or anything. I got the G1 because I could no longer deal with freezing and resets from Win Mo devices even though I preferred them over droid based on iphone systems. But with this HD2 I'm very pleased. It basically seems to run even faster than my G1 and is better than the Iphone in all ways as far as I'm concerned with the exception of the apps and having to pay for most of what's worth having on a Win Mo phone. And this is without having flashed any roms or adding any 3 part apps which I would usually have done to a Win Mo phone the same day I got it in the past. But the thing is I just got mines this week so maybe what ever issues that may have existed when originally released might have been eliminated by now. Or maybe data/connection issues are based on what area you're in. Sorry, just asking cause I was curious. So what do you guys think?
I think complaints about data are likely location dependent.
I got mine day 2 after launch and it was part of the first dozen the T-Mobile store had in stock. So I got mine out of the "first" batch.
(And for anyone wondering, mine has a "red" reset button.)
I came over to T-Mobile after over a year with a Sprint HTC Touch Pro and the HD2 is way better. And I like being able to use data and voice simultaneously on 3G. Overall I'm happy I made the move to T-Mobile and got the HD2.
I used the stock ROM up till a couple days ago. I did not have any real big issues with the stock ROM. It's just that ROM chefs like NRGZ28 will ALWAYS make something that's better than stock . And with NRGZ28 being a T-Mobile customer with an HD2, I knew his ROM would improve on anything that could be improved. I also used to use his ROMs when I had a CDMA Touch Pro, so I'm familiar with his work.
So with EnergyROM, I'm finding that everything does run faster, but everything was running faster than my old Touch Pro using the stock ROM . And with stock my data and WiFi speeds were "OK", but with EnergyROM I can say they've gotten way faster. The radio on mine is 2.08.50.08_2. I've never flashed a different radio and far as I know EnergyROM does not include a radio. But as usual EnergyROM did improve on something that was already great.
If there were no custom ROMs yet, I would not be complaining, because with stock things were well for me.
If mine were not working well, I guess I'd complain too, but mine works great, so I'm just enjoying.
Mine had been running just fine. The only time I had freezing issues was after I installed spb mobile shell. Other than that it's been fantastic. No freezing, no connection problems. I've used windows mobile devices before and I really don't mind it. I'm coming from a G1 and I love the screen, speed and media options on the HD2. I don't even miss android.
Read the HD2 complaints.
Then look at who is doing the complaining.
Many of your questions will be answered.
Most the people on here that have heavy complaints could actually have a fix, yet just get all pissy about how they used to have a nexus1 or iphone or droid or whatever and never had "this" issue. I'm not one of the masses so I don't just complain, I find a solution then floss my phone to the world.
Fact is, the internet is a haven of complaining. Most people in the "regular world" are using the HTC like butter and have nothing to say. But when we get our chance to shine on the forums, boy will we get on the soapbox trying to get people to not only boycott a phone, but even whole operating systems.
If your phone is a little screwy, GOOD, welcome to the techno age asshole.
I'm getting really tired of people flooding this forum with threads such as this... opinions are NOT important on this website, FACTS are what matter.
And the FACT of the matter is... frequent users of these forums do NOT want to read endless arguments and complaints from folks who are incapable of properly operating a mobile device such as the HD2!
Honestly, it seems like there must be a lot of morons in the United States who have JUST NOW discovered the quality devices that HTC has to offer...
Because, truth be told (again) I haven't experienced ONE, SINGLE, even minor problem at all with my handset. NOT ONE!
I have made countless registry tweaks, installed tons of Manila modifications, and I'm still using the STOCK ROM provided by T-Mobile USA.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS DEVICE!
Please, feel free to spread the word. Thanks.
Reignzone said:
I'm getting really tired of people flooding this forum with threads such as this... opinions are NOT important on this website, FACTS are what matter.
And the FACT of the matter is... frequent users of these forums do NOT want to read endless arguments and complaints from folks who are incapable of properly operating a mobile device such as the HD2!
Honestly, it seems like there must be a lot of morons in the United States who have JUST NOW discovered the quality devices that HTC has to offer...
Because, truth be told (again) I haven't experienced ONE, SINGLE, even minor problem at all with my handset. NOT ONE!
I have made countless registry tweaks, installed tons of Manila modifications, and I'm still using the STOCK ROM provided by T-Mobile USA.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS DEVICE!
Please, feel free to spread the word. Thanks.
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Agreed. This is the best, most problem free, and fastest phone I've ever owned.
But this phone has attracted more WM newbies than any other WM device in the past, so we're hearing the problems all these iphone & android users and just alltogether non-techsavvy people are having adjusting to and learning winmo. They don't understand why it isn't dumbed down (and locked down) like the iphone or android.
I think T-Mobile is advertising this phone too much as and entertainment and media phone. This phone is not for everyone. But it most definitely is the most powerful and versatile phone out now.
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Agreed. This is the best, most problem free, and fastest phone I've ever owned.
But this phone has attracted more WM newbies than any other WM device in the past, so we're hearing the problems all these iphone & android users and just alltogether non-techsavvy people are having adjusting to and learning winmo. They don't understand why it isn't dumbed down (and locked down) like the iphone or android.
I think T-Mobile is advertising this phone too much as and entertainment and media phone. This phone is not for everyone. But it most definitely is the most powerful and versatile phone out now.
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I could NOT have "agreed" with my opinion any better than you just did here, sir.
Finally, someone to rationalize with... Jesus!
Anyway, for the record... I meant NO disrespect towards those people who legitimately are "noobs" to our community... I'm just having trouble understanding just how it is that so many people are complaining about such a masterpiece.
noobs need to get off the site
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I could NOT have "agreed" with my opinion any better than you just did here, sir.
Finally, someone to rationalize with... Jesus!
Anyway, for the record... I meant NO disrespect towards those people who legitimately are "noobs" to our community... I'm just having trouble understanding just how it is that so many people are complaining about such a masterpiece.
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everyone wants a phone to be perfect yet no one has a perfect phone there is no such thing as a perfect phone or anything being perfect hd2 is great better then anyother phone ive had came from the iphone and the touch pro2 to the hd2 both the toucch pro2 and the hd2 dont have much different besides the rom and the speed and the screen. those noobs that are on this site need to know that theres no such thing as a perfect phone and if they dont like it go return it its that easy.
The reason why I runs much faster than a G1 or iPhone is because it has a 1GHz Snapdragon processor, the fastest processor right now for a mass production cell phone in the US. The iPhone 2G and 3G only run at 412MHz, and the G1 at 528MHz.
Spec vs. Spec, the HD2 blows the iPhone (and G1) out the water, everything is bigger but doesn't always mean it's better. As a previous iPhone user (still have it), I love everything about my HD2 features, it just does things my iPhone can not do and it's jailbroken and heavily modded too.
So is it that bad? No, it's not but I do believe the product was rushed. I've had lots of problems with mine, including the data connection issue. If you read some older post, some of the people from Europe are having issues still that HTC has not care to look into (phone launched last year).
I think people (those who reply so far) and others are quick to turn a blind eye or ignore when people are expressing problems. If your phone is problem free, congratulations, you are very lucky (and we envy you), but to say "THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS DEVICE!" is blantant lie. There are plenty of threads with info, pics and video showing off the fustration members are going through. There are people even make .cab to fix issues that should have never made it to a production phone (IE: Text Message timestap/server time)
Also just because other people haven't step forward or posted on a forum does not mean the phone is working perfectly, you guys gotta realize not everybody has access to the internet or know how to search, register or reply on forums with issues. I have a couple of friends who have the HD2, experincing problems and are far from computer savvy. I ask them if they've heard of 'xda' or 'pocketnow' and it's just blank stares, lol. So like most people do in this case is, call T-mobile. At least T-mobile is NOW finally understanding the issues because a CSR told me today they've been getting numerous complaints and T-mobile is looking into the issue (take it for what its worth).
Look, to be honest, I also think a lot of complaints come from experienced users who are used to the state of the art Flashed ROMs, therefore, any factory ROM is below their standards...I personally hated it because I'm in love with WinMo 6.5.x...doesn't make it horrible, just my preference...though I never "complained" lol...
There are many who will enjoy the HD2 those who have no need to make a phone call usinf wi/fi, those who do not mind the small battery & those who can remove core issues from the micro, it is a very nice phone but from my experience HTC pulled a fast one & I have no use for the HD2
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The reason why I runs much faster than a G1 or iPhone is because it has a 1GHz Snapdragon processor, the fastest processor right now for a mass production cell phone in the US. The iPhone 2G and 3G only run at 412MHz, and the G1 at 528MHz.
Spec vs. Spec, the HD2 blows the iPhone (and G1) out the water, everything is bigger but doesn't always mean it's better. As a previous iPhone user (still have it), I love everything about my HD2 features, it just does things my iPhone can not do and it's jailbroken and heavily modded too.
So is it that bad? No, it's not but I do believe the product was rushed. I've had lots of problems with mine, including the data connection issue. If you read some older post, some of the people from Europe are having issues still that HTC has not care to look into (phone launched last year).
I think people (those who reply so far) and others are quick to turn a blind eye or ignore when people are expressing problems. If your phone is problem free, congratulations, you are very lucky (and we envy you), but to say "THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS DEVICE!" is blantant lie. There are plenty of threads with info, pics and video showing off the fustration members are going through. There are people even make .cab to fix issues that should have never made it to a production phone (IE: Text Message timestap/server time)
Also just because other people haven't step forward or posted on a forum does not mean the phone is working perfectly, you guys gotta realize not everybody has access to the internet or know how to search, register or reply on forums with issues. I have a couple of friends who have the HD2, experincing problems and are far from computer savvy. I ask them if they've heard of 'xda' or 'pocketnow' and it's just blank stares, lol. So like most people do in this case is, call T-mobile. At least T-mobile is NOW finally understanding the issues because a CSR told me today they've been getting numerous complaints and T-mobile is looking into the issue (take it for what its worth).
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I don't think it was rushed. The problems are no different than any other WinMo device has had in the past. But most people who are WinMo users understand this and come to this forum and together have come up with solutions. A lot of the problems have the same solutions they did on previous devices, so people who know WinMo know how to work around these.
You have to understand that WinMo was not originally designed to be a phone.... it was and is a portable stand-alone version of a windows OS... a full fledged operating system. It has had phone functionality added to it over the years. It is much more versatile and doesn't have the limits that other mobile OS's(ones that were built just to be phones) have. It is a portable computer with phone functionality. The other phone OS's are phones with some portable computing functionality.
T-Mobile is blatantly advertising this powerful, portable computer as a "media phone" and a lot of people who are not technical enough for a device this powerful are getting it expecting it to work like a media device that was designed to be an easy to use phone. That's why I can't completely blame all these newbies... they were thinking they were getting a media phone, but end up with something that's way beyond there level of technical experience. Hopefully T-Mobile will realize this once they get enough complaints and returns and maybe they will stop advertising it as such. But it will take them a while because they are making a killing off of them. But actually, I think the phone may be refined and user friendly enough for most users to get by with it good enough that they are happy with it. Otherwise, T-Mobile would be getting much more returns and complaints than I think they're getting and they would be cutting back on the advertising already. I'm sure most people aren't using the device to it's potential, but it seems most people are happy enough with it to keep and use it. The Sense UI does a pretty decent job at making the interface "phone-like" and user friendly, even though it does have some problems. Personally, I could do without the Sense UI, but that's a whole other post.
@ zarathustrax & @ Raadius: I may not be as savvy as most PC players yet I follow pocketsmart, wmpoweruser, & quite a few more & I realize how short of a time before TMO itself will unlock the HD2 & yes quite a few other ways to do the same but both your threads seem to show you have good reception with no need for UMA (wi/fi ). Now if as I'm learning, is there a way to enable wi/fi to the HD2, since my reception with TMO is terrible & regardless how long I've been following the Leo, I am sad to say I have to return the HD2 unless someone can show me a way to improve my reception. It is sad to say the only way I can find wi/fi is with a smaller screen & kb which is no use to me.
I will go to android if the snapdragon, battery, screen & reception are present.
I've grown through Palm OS into Windows, Android is to me freeware on my Windows OS PC. So again unless noted, I am sad to release my HD2.
I only had the phone for a day and got the sleep of death 4 times having to reset it...and that was without even installing anything on it. On top of that it wouldnt hold 3G and kept flipping between 3G and edge killing the battery off ridiculously fast.
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I don't think it was rushed. The problems are no different than any other WinMo device has had in the past. But most people who are WinMo users understand this and come to this forum and together have come up with solutions. A lot of the problems have the same solutions they did on previous devices, so people who know WinMo know how to work around these.
You have to understand that WinMo was not originally designed to be a phone.... it was and is a portable stand-alone version of a windows OS... a full fledged operating system. It has had phone functionality added to it over the years. It is much more versatile and doesn't have the limits that other mobile OS's(ones that were built just to be phones) have. It is a portable computer with phone functionality. The other phone OS's are phones with some portable computing functionality.
T-Mobile is blatantly advertising this powerful, portable computer as a "media phone" and a lot of people who are not technical enough for a device this powerful are getting it expecting it to work like a media device that was designed to be an easy to use phone. That's why I can't completely blame all these newbies... they were thinking they were getting a media phone, but end up with something that's way beyond there level of technical experience. Hopefully T-Mobile will realize this once they get enough complaints and returns and maybe they will stop advertising it as such. But it will take them a while because they are making a killing off of them. But actually, I think the phone may be refined and user friendly enough for most users to get by with it good enough that they are happy with it. Otherwise, T-Mobile would be getting much more returns and complaints than I think they're getting and they would be cutting back on the advertising already. I'm sure most people aren't using the device to it's potential, but it seems most people are happy enough with it to keep and use it. The Sense UI does a pretty decent job at making the interface "phone-like" and user friendly, even though it does have some problems. Personally, I could do without the Sense UI, but that's a whole other post.
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And this is one of the many reasons I switched to Android from winmo. I know people dont mind tweaking their phones and whatnot here.. but some of these things people SHOULD NOT have to do when purchasing a $500 phone. There is no reason winmo phones should STILL be having the sleep of death as long as the 6th version of winmo has been out. There is NO reason they shouldnt have implemented the timestamp/date fix into this thing BEFORE shipping it. There is NO reason the phone should be freezing on the FIRST DAY right out of the box.
I was once a major winmo fan and was pretty anti everything except it. But once I tried Android I realized that having to do all of these tweaks and flashes shouldnt be necessary just to get basic functionality.
Reignzone said:
I have made countless registry tweaks, installed tons of Manila modifications, and I'm still using the STOCK ROM provided by T-Mobile USA.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS DEVICE!
Please, feel free to spread the word. Thanks.
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Care too share your mods? and registry tweaks?
Just got an HD2, I switched from an IPHONE, I love the device. My only suggestion for those who knock it... figure out what you don't like and try to customize it or tweak it till your happy. Its a Windows device and is 10 times more versatile than an iphone. Also, the ROMS that are available out there are phenominal. Start off with one that is minimal and build away.... I recommend the MIRI ROM with cookies mod.....beautiful!!!
peace...
I don't see how anyone could claim the T-Mobile US HD2 was "rushed" when it took what seems to be forever for the device to even reach the USA to begin with. And the T-Mobile US version has 1024 NAND memory.
All I can say is that I'm happy.
But I don't think you "really" know till like 6 months out when everyone has used a device for a LONG TIME and then we all can say how great or not great it really is. Of course we'll all see something else that catches our eye by then, but longer term use tells an even truer tale. So far though, almost 30 days in and I'm happy.
And yes, custom ROMs make a good device even better.
im a total noob when it comes to win mo phones.... never complained, but i've never been one to really complain..
i just dont like the constant 3G to E switching, but thats a tmobile and location issue.. not an HD2 issue..
I LOVE my HD2!
I don't know why, but it seems since I moved to EnergyROM, that my device stays on 3G more often.
Ok so im looking at purchasing another phone. I have a few options that i can go so im looking for opinions. Im Looking at letstalk.com and i notice that i can get the galaxy S for 49.99 or i can get the HD2 for free by tmobile. Im currently with ATT and sporting the Tilt2 which im thinking of unlocking because i need a windows mobile phone to run the programming for my business. But what im thinking is should i get the HD2 and put andriod on it or should i just spend the extra to get the galaxy S. Is i far more superior?
Thank you for your opinions. As you can see by my number of posts im a bit of a noob but been lurking around for a lil.
I would definitely go for the samsung galaxy S. I tested them both at home. In the beginning the HD2 will do just fine but once you'll want to have some more apps you will regret you bought the windows mobile phone. I had bought the HTC Touch HD almost 2 years ago and I recently sold it to get myself the HTC Desire.
To be honest, I'm not a huge fan of windows mobile despite the fact that you can modify alot on these devices. I think that for most of the people android based phones are the best option.
Don't understand me wrong: android phones can be modified pretty easily too, but not as easy as a windows mobile phone.
Something about the Samsung Galaxy S:
- It feels a little bit cheap (casing)
- You get a lot of bangs for your bucks (Playing games on it will definitely be better seen the fact that it has PowerVR, correct me i'm wrong, and a A8 cortex cpu)
- It has a screen that had more vivid colors than the HD2 (and a little bit more than the HTC Desire).
- Camera works very well in the dark, even though it hasn't got a flash. (That's my thought.)
If you have any further questions, don't bother to ask!
Greetz
As the owner of an Htc hd2 coming from a iphone 2g and A t-mobile g1
had I waited for the samsung galaxy s( i actually prefer the att version)
Android runs great on the hd2 but its still a work in progress so while It make be dependable for me it may not be for you.
Winmo on the hd2 sucks. sense is a must. as everything else just barely gets by.
I met a lot of people who didnt like the htc hd2's because of the software.
Personally I love mine. But i cant help but admit how nice the hardware in the galaxy s is.
It is based on the same cpu in the iphone 4. I also hear that the gpu is close o or the iphone 4.
I think you missed the OP's point since he said he would be putting Android on the HD2, so it's not a matter of Android vs. WinMo..
Anyway, I think you should go with the Samsung S, mainly because of the gorgeous screen and the more powerful graphics
I gotta say get the HD2 and put Android on it. Its the best of both worlds. I run 2.2 FLAWLESSLY on my HD2, its very quick and reliable these days..
thanx for all the replies to my question. Ive been still swaying to more of the galaxy s. The flawless andriod is what did it for me basically and i also like the fact of how fast it is plus the front screen camera. I think its the route im planning to go. But still i do own a ATT Tilt 2. So i can still switch to windows mobile if needed. But once again thanx for your opinions. Keep them coming if you have more. Im not making my purchase till friday so i still have time just incase any of you have issues with the galaxy s.
The bad thing about Android on the HD2 is that you boot into Windows. You run Android off of the SD card. While it may be "flawless" it isn't the best. It's something to play around with but still isn't the best stable day-to-day solution I'd used as my mobile phone.
I ran Android on my AT&T HTC Pure and it was meh. I basically just tested the waters before jumping to another device.
If you want Android, get an android phone.
I wouldn't BUY an HD2 just to run Android on it. If you HAD an HD2 and wanted an Android phone... then it might buy you some time.
The Galaxy S is not without its problems, like gps(that samsung will fix by september). Plus windows mobile has gone a loooong way. I would go with the HD2 or wait for the G2 or Mytouch HD to drop. The galaxy has a screen that's a little better, but I really don't see what All the fuss is about, the screen on the HD2 is amazing. Plus wait till windows phone 7 drops, the devs are going to end up hacking it to work on the HD2 and you will be able to have your choice of flavors.
Or you can get the galaxy and enjoy android 2.1
Ill tell you what I tell my coworkers, if you are looking for an open box vanilla solution go with the galaxy, go with the hd2 if you are serious about getting your hands dirty pushing the capability of your phone to the limits while enjoying every minute of it.
Tmo US HD2
EnergyRomz -Shubcraft Froyo
I would recommend the Galaxy because of a full working Android System. HD2 with Android is still good but not perfect and some things don't work.
Android has way more Apps and you can customize it better + WM6.5 is running out. The new WM7 Phones will be incompatible with WM6.5 Software and I think more and more programmers will switch to WM7.
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The Galaxy S is not without its problems, like gps(that samsung will fix by september). Plus windows mobile has gone a loooong way. I would go with the HD2 or wait for the G2 or Mytouch HD to drop. The galaxy has a screen that's a little better, but I really don't see what All the fuss is about, the screen on the HD2 is amazing. Plus wait till windows phone 7 drops, the devs are going to end up hacking it to work on the HD2 and you will be able to have your choice of flavors.
Or you can get the galaxy and enjoy android 2.1
Ill tell you what I tell my coworkers, if you are looking for an open box vanilla solution go with the galaxy, go with the hd2 if you are serious about getting your hands dirty pushing the capability of your phone to the limits while enjoying every minute of it.
Tmo US HD2
EnergyRomz -Shubcraft Froyo
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I completely agree with that! Well said
As my signature indicates, I own the Samsung Captivate (which is the AT&T version of the Galaxy S). It's an amazing phone with a very good screen and, as always from Samsung, amazing specs.
The GPS does seem to be a bit of a problem as noted within the forums, but there are plenty of fixes available. Personally, I've never noticed any problems, but perhaps I'm an exception.
As a side note, though, the GPS on the Captivate worked far better than it did for me on my HTC Fuze.
But moving on, perhaps the bigger thing to note is that the Galaxy S will get an official update to Froyo in September. As it is, one can easily get the Galaxy S to great performance (thanks to the folks on this forum), but Froyo is supposedly 4-5x faster than 2.1, so I have high hopes for the next update.
If nothing else, I agree with what a prior user said. If what you're looking for is an Android OS, it makes a lot more sense to actually purchase an Android phone instead of getting a WinMo phone and trying to run a ported version of Android.
Short answer: Galaxy S.
LCD, no matter how good, is no way close to being as good as a SAMOLED. And the better performing processor + gfx chip, polished touchwiz interface and samsung apps definitely make it a way sweeter deal.
Also, the GPS problem is close to non existent in the newer hardware. Myself, I never encountered it. The build is satisfactory, not as good as droid but definitely as good as any HTC device, HD2 included.
Not to mention that the touch display sensitivity is close to being as good as droid/milestone. On most of HTC devices, you have to press much harder to register your input.
I would never recommend HTC and Motorolla when it comes to build quality and support.
I know many may disagree but I had my share of bad experiences with both.
Moto was obviously a disaster, but I'm not ashamed to criticize HTC any day.
samsung support is aweful -.-' i own a samsung galaxy spica i5700 and samsung fcked it up thank god for good devs that developed multitouch and better 3d driver.
BTW go for galaxy s (captivate or something) and w8 for android 2.2 and some custom roms + tweaks to make it super aawesome. HD2 is ****
this thread will not give you an exact solution to your question, but, you may benefit from what everyone's experience is.
I would say if you are settled that you want flwless android then go with galaxy S I9000 since it is an excellent phone.
The HD2 is also an excellent phone and the win mo running on it is very good, i did not have any problems with the performance or touch response and i like the HD2 because it gives me an option to a lot of mods for win mo and now i have android 2.2 installed from few days and working very nice.
Finally the descision is yours, and both devices are really good, eventhoug the screen on the galaxy is superiour to the hd2 screen also galaxy S can capture a HD video, but i believe as a camers, the hd2 is better.
hope i was usefull and if you require something in specific, dont hesitate to ask.
Good luck
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Plus wait till windows phone 7 drops, the devs are going to end up hacking it to work on the HD2 and you will be able to have your choice of flavors.
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I used to be a chef of Windows Mobile roms a few months ago before my Nexus. I cooked for several phones ending with the Diamond 2. I've known Da_G before he got into HTC phones. I'm pretty sure that Windows 7 is incompatible with existing phones. The entire file structure is different and the drivers are different.
I'm not saying the guys here at XDA aren't amazing and things may have changed in a month or so... but IF it can be ported over at all I doubt it will be soon nor perfect.
I believe HTC is building an HD3 that is suited for Windows Phone 7.
two cents from HD2 owner
I never tried Samsung Galaxy S, so this is just my experience with HD2.
Installed both cooked WinMo (just for booting) and Android which run 99% of the time.
For the past 3 months I've been trying almost all sorts of Android built.
It's kind of love and hate experience.
You need to spend time upgrading, patching, backing up, restoring.
On the other hand you can enjoy quality apps, widgets and easy integration with social networks at zero cost.
Also, I can't deny the good feeling when someone ask "wow.. what phone is that?"
I would say the HD2. The flexibility is awesome. You can use WinMo or Android. You can use the sense interface. Sense looks great, the galaxy S looks like a wannabe iPhone.
I tried some builds on the HD2. And the most recent MattC build gives me everything i need. GPS works, Bluetooth carkit works and the normal phone stuff works. I like the HD2 a lot.
Hi I'm proud owner of both phones.
My opinion is that if you want to by an android phone buy the galaxy s don't take the hd2 and try to make it something that it's not.
Comparing the two phones:
hd2 disadvantages:
1. it has winmo 6,5 which is no longer supported,
2. it has a much less vivid display.
Hd2 advantages:
1. build in flash,
2. screen is bigger,
3. the phone although it has a snapdragon processor it's much snappier than galaxy s (I use JPC firmware with lag fix)
4. The build quality of the phone is much better.
Galaxy S on the other hand:
Advantages:
1. Android.
2. Screen is very bright and no pictures displaying the phone can capture the brightness and how much vivid the colors are.
3. It has tv out. (haven't tested it though)
4. Lighter.
Disadvantages:
1. Poor build quality. (it's all made out of plastic)
2. The camera although it can capture 720p video, it has very poor quality in pics.
3. Touchwiz is crap compared to sense.
Overall if hd2 had android I would prefer that one but only if it had android build in. I have tried many android versions on hd2 but none is compared to the real thing.
Hope I helped, if you have any questions don't hesitate to pm me.
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I second this. oke winmo isn't the best OS , but with sense and using custom rom OzRom 5.0 and running android mattc Leo + Froyo w/Sense 1.7][Kernel: mattc 2.6.32.9 #4 without any major problems, it's a great machine.
look at the HD2 section.. it's already heavy with different sections and if winmo 7 is fix for the hd2 an other section will be there (would be nice) but not a big deal for me. this is no option for the galaxy..
tested andriod now for two days, never had it on before, because i didnt feel the need for it, but i have no problems with this combination.
I heard windows OS HD2 kind of sucked, and it was lightyears better with android. i am assuming this is true.
With that said, would you rather keep it over the vibrant? I am currently trying to make a decision soon--never owning a smartphone before, i know very little so i hope your input can help me out--among bold9780, hd2, or vibrant. dont plan on getting a data plan soon and want to keep the phone for a few yrs (so dont want a phone thats on the decline, getting replaced soon by newer project phones).
I noticed the HD2 pales in specs in comparison with the vibrant, so I came here for an opinion. I figure the Vibrant is more expensive so i can sell to get an HD2 if i want to in the future. Of course, the BBerry is somehow priced higher than all of them.
Feedback from real users is welcome! Thanks for your time.
Though Android on HD2 can do everything Vibrant can do (except for AMOLED display)...but for you its still recommended that you get native Android phone, since you don't have prior smartphone experience...If you take HD2, you would have to do lot of reading before arriving to the perfect android build for you. It can be intimidating for someone just starting out since its takes time to getting used to using a smartphone too...
However if you like to tinker a lot with you're gadgets and have interest in geeky side of things...then HD2 is a dream machine
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Though Android on HD2 can do everything Vibrant can do (except for AMOLED display)...but for you its still recommended that you get native Android phone, since you don't have prior smartphone experience...If you take HD2, you would have to do lot of reading before arriving to the perfect android build for you. It can be intimidating for someone just starting out since its takes time to getting used to using a smartphone too...
However if you like to tinker a lot with you're gadgets and have interest in geeky side of things...then HD2 is a dream machine
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thanks for the reply! appreciate it. i am fine with jailbreaking consoles such as wii or ps3, so does that experience carry over enough or is the use of smartphone completely different.
also, what would you prefer for longterm if you could not buy another phone for 3-4 years?
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thanks for the reply! appreciate it. i am fine with jailbreaking consoles such as wii or ps3, so does that experience carry over enough or is the use of smartphone completely different.
also, what would you prefer for longterm if you could not buy another phone for 3-4 years?
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Well if you have exp then its good...hacking hd2 is pretty much straightforward..if you're prepared to read...follow instructions..
Long Term use depends on you're priorities..I will list out pro's of both, you can decide on it..
HD2
+ Greater Community Support, more software, different types of builds available
+ Sense UI is much better than TouchWiz on Samsung. Work is started on porting Sense to Galaxy S though...but you never know how good the port is going to be..
+ WP7
+ Better look/build quality
Vibrant
+ Super AMOLED Display
+ Better GPU. GPU on HD2 is not that good..some games(based on unreal engine) are struggling on it already...
+ Better Battery Life
+ 720p video out of the box. Work is also going on HD2 for 720p video, and at some point it may get it too but I doubt if its going to better than vibrant
+ Lighter in weight if it matters..
If I were you, I would wait for Vibrant 4G on TMO if you're not going to upgrade for next 3 years and getting it on contract..Its got bigger battery compared to current one (1650 mAh vs 1500 mAh), 4G and supposedly there were some GPS probs on vibrant which seem to have sorted out on 4G one...
If you're buying off eBay or without contract..still also Vibrant gets the nod from my side, ..basically it boils down to better hardware on vibrant vs better software on HD2...I believe software you can get used too..but there is no substitute for Hardware..you're opinion may vary..
Thanks! I am getting it from a family contract, so I am not sure if they would offer me a Vibrant 4G (I'm guessing it is higher price?).
I probably won't get the data plan, at least for a year or two also, so would that nullify the benefits of waiting/getting the Vibrant 4g? When I do decide to get the data plan (if prices go down, etc, then the Vibrant would probably be outdated by then.
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I noticed the HD2 pales in specs in comparison with the vibrant,
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You are joking right?
I've had both, HD2 and Galaxy S (EU Vibrant).
Personally I was disappointed with the Galaxy S - yes the screen is a joy to behold, but I soon grew tired of the lagginess of the Samsung mangled implementation of Android. Yes there are custom builds out there that help to address the lag, but after that I quickly grew tired of the lack of Samsung love from the dev community.
I sold my Galaxy S on ebay and quickly bought an HD2 - the phone I originally wanted, but got the Galaxy S just months before the first Android builds appeared for the HD2.
I've not looked back, it's a truly awesome phone. We now have WP7, and official CyanogenMod support.
The vibrant has a better chipset and gpu, and it's the same as the nexus s, which is the newest google developers phone, so future games and apps will probably work much better on the vibrant. If you're new to smartphones, I would recommend the vibrant. The HD2 is great and can run multiple OS's, but you have to do a lot of learning and reading to get it running well. Also, if you've never used any smartphone os, 1 will probably be enough for you. You can always sell the vibrant in the future and buy a hd2 or other phone if you find yourself too bored with the vibrant. You'll get much better battery life off the vibrant, also.
I'd have to agree with everyone else. Because it's your first smartphone I would suggest you pick up a Vibrant 4G..comes out in a month or two and has some minor tweaks over the current Vibrant.
As much as I love my HD2 it is hard to find a ROM that really works the way I want it to. There is always something not working on one ROM and working on another, so you have to try many ROMs and decide which you prefer.
If you go with an HD2 I would recommend Cope SD Gingerbread 2.3.2 ROM in the Development section of this site. Just about everything works flawlessy except the LED notifications.
Having had all of the following phones since January of last year (Yes, I'm a Craigslist serial phone trader - i get bored easily!), I figured I'd chime in...
1) Motorola Cliq (Not the best phone, great call quality, got me hooked on Android!)
2) Nexus One (Got it when they first were released)
3) HD2 (when they first came out)
4) Nexus One (traded HD2 for it - hated WinMo 6.5)
5) Vibrant (Annoyed me with the GPS issues)
6) MyTouch4G (Simply hated the MySenseUI on it)
7) G2 (Great phone but the hinge made it feel like it was going to last maybe only 2-3 months)
8) Vibrant (Came back to it after I saw a friend's with a great TeamWhiskey ROM and no GPS problems)
9) HD2 (current phone - came back to HD2 after the "NAND Revolution!" - LOVE the big screen!)
With some of the custom ROMs out there right now (I can strongly recommend TeamWhiskey's ROMs!), I'd say go with the Vibrant if the screen size difference doesn't make any difference to you.
The way I use my phone and with the ROMs I am running on the HD2 I can say that battery life is just about even.
Other than the screen size, what's the plus of the HD2? I'd say the versatility. There are so many ROMs out there for it that persons have ported from other phones to it that it's hard to get too bored. I've flashed almost every day on the HD2 simply because I get bored, but this is the longest I've kept a phone to date - with NO intentions of changing anytime soon. If you love to fiddle with stuff, the HD2 is a great phone. If you want to get a phone and just run with it as is, not sure where to point you. If you want to root and not constantly change things out, go the Vibrant route (or Vibrant 4G).
I have both phones and even with Team Whiskey's ROMS for the Vibrant, its always running with half of the memory the HD2 is running. This might be an unfair comparison since I'm running Gingerbread on the HD2 and Froyo on the Vibrant.
One thing I do miss and I haven't figured out if there's a work around with the HD2 is the missing dedicated search button.
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One thing I do miss and I haven't figured out if there's a work around with the HD2 is the missing dedicated search button.
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Try long-pressing on the phone key Works for me! (Far left key)
Yes i would rather a vibrant over my hd2 right now. Reasons being:
Currently i'm bored of my hd2, as I have found nothing else to do with it in my power, having flashed mutiple android/winmo roms and tried out WP7.
The multitouch problems urk me and my gaming.
The vibrant has 16 gb of storage which i would love to store my music in along with my 16 gb card.
That super amoled screen tempts me.
However, even with all those reasons, there is one big reason as to why I would keep my HD2, and that is, I love my HD2, it's the first real smartphone i've ever had, and thankfully, it's given me one hell of a ride and still has potential for more.
If, & only if, you like to tinker & tweak your gadgets, get the HD2. It's the first smartphone I've ever owned or toyed with & I love it! Before this I was using the old, barely could text pay as you go phone. Now I love this phone & have learned so much. So if you enjoy these things, you'll love the HD2.
If not go with the alternative.
No doubt about it with me, I love my HD2. My view is the HD2 makes the world's best Android phone. You can always use it as a different Android phone whenever you get tired of the one you're currently using, no need to buy new hardware. It's also my belief the XDA Android devs make ROMs that work better than actual Android phones.
Now the only thing I can think of better than an HD2 with Android is an HD7 with Android.
I recently traded (along with receiving a few bucks) my vibrant for the HD2, and really have not looked back. The versatility of the HD2 is unparalleled. Dual booting Android and WP7 (depending on my mood) is fantastic. Team Whiskey are a bunch of fantastic people and develop some really great roms (my wife has a Vibrant so I still get to play with it), but I've found greater support here and the HD2 solves all the issues I've had with Vibrant. Battery life imo is superior to the Vibrant, the GPS signal issues that I had with the Vibrant are non existent on the HD2, it seems to be faster and more stable, not to mention the build quality... the HD2 seems to be a lot sturdier, plus if you like the Sense UI, the HD2 is the way to go. They're both great phones and the difference is marginal, but again imo, the scales tip slightly towards the HD2
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If you're a tinkerer and okay with not having a smooth perfect phone all the time, go for the HD2. I can tell you since my cousin has a Vibrant, that it is garbage. All plastic build, dirt-poor Samsung support (No Froyo yet and Honeycomb is around the corner!?), GPS problems, un-amazing battery life, and little community support make it a terrible choice for anyone who knows that XDA exists...
That phone isn't worth the silicon inside it.
i recently sold my vibrant and brought an hd2 . I like the way i can use alot of different os on it. I loveed my vibrant but i dont miss it cause i dont see a real drop off from it other the internal memory and screen which is not that big to me. I currently running wp7 cause i actaully like it and running around on sd. So unless microsoft does sumthing to ruin wp7 for the hd2 which i doubt then im pretty pleased with my sell of the vibrant for the hd2. Although i did kinda like that touchwiz. Is there a way to get that running on an hd2. I had the launcher but is possible to do anything other than just the launcher?
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i recently sold my vibrant and brought an hd2 . I like the way i can use alot of different os on it. I loveed my vibrant but i dont miss it cause i dont see a real drop off from it other the internal memory and screen which is not that big to me. I currently running wp7 cause i actaully like it and running around on sd. So unless microsoft does sumthing to ruin wp7 for the hd2 which i doubt then im pretty pleased with my sell of the vibrant for the hd2. Although i did kinda like that touchwiz. Is there a way to get that running on an hd2. I had the launcher but is possible to do anything other than just the launcher?
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If you liked TouchWiz you'll LOVE Miui... check out the HD2 Android forums. Not near a computer or I'd post a link, sorry.
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Greets All,
I saw that this phone was out by ATT, and I was curious about it so I went to GSMArena to do a compare, and Aside from it being a 4G phone and a 8MP camera, its nearly the same hardware from what I saw, am I wrong in what I looked at?
I was curious cause I was wondering since everyone says that the desire HD is hardware wise a close match, based on what I saw I think the Inspire could be closer of a match.
Anyone else? Or am I just completely off base?
GPU is better.
Touchscreen has proper multi touch properlly
Android on the inspire is prolly faster smoother and more stable than ours (Note this prolly only comes into play when you flash it with a custom rom). But ours is good enough for daily use.
More RAM
More ROM which is a big plus considering it runs sense
720p recording
More video codec support
the CPU for the inspire is a 2nd gen snapdragon which is supposedly way better than 1st gen, which is what the hd2 uses.
Desire hd and inspire 4g are the same, just that the inspire 4g is a variant of the desire hd for aT&t.
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GPU is better.
Touchscreen has proper multi touch properlly
Android on the inspire is prolly faster smoother and more stable than ours (Note this prolly only comes into play when you flash it with a custom rom). But ours is good enough for daily use.
More RAM
More ROM which is a big plus considering it runs sense
720p recording
More video codec support
the CPU for the inspire is a 2nd gen snapdragon which is supposedly way better than 1st gen, which is what the hd2 uses.
Desire hd and inspire 4g are the same, just that the inspire 4g is a variant of the desire hd for aT&t.
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he's not asking which is better, only which is a closer match hardware wise to our HD2's.
Angel, I was curious about this too. It seems that the Inspire is just America's version of the DesireHD, but I could be wrong. Didn't get a chance to look closely at specs.
Ah sorry, didn't read all of it and i was also answering the topic of the thread so yeah, I misread.
Well in the end I did say that the inspire 4g is just a variant of the desire hd so in a way I did answer his question.
Well I just read on the main page of XDA they are thinking of merging the Inspire and the DHD into one forum. And since alot of the Androids are being ported based on the DHD, if thats the case then the Inspire should be able to be ported too.
But by specs all three seem to be almost the same with little variation.
Yes the inspire can be ported. But what is there to port that is different from the desire hd, aT&t bloatware?
Actually no, Since I dont have the inspire, I have to rely on people here, if the Inspire runs a non HD version, dont even know what they call it for the inspire, and its not as heavy as the DHD roms, it would mean smoother rom, less battery drain, etc, like we all know the desire is lighter on the battery then the DHD. I'm just thinking if this would have the same features and is just easier on the battery load and not as heavy, Also obviously this being a newer phone, riping the kernel (which I have no idea on how to do) and seeing how that runs since from a quick look it seems to be a HTC kernel. Where this might help? Battery, Wifi, Bluetooth, New Drivers, etc.
At this point its not really about "oooo another rom to play with" I think at this point it should be, lets look at this and see if there is anything that can help stablize our builds, with what I mentioned above, cause as wel all know Android to a good degree is interchangeable with its parts of the OS, where SlowMo wasnt.
Does that make any sense?
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Actually no, Since I dont have the inspire, I have to rely on people here, if the Inspire runs a non HD version, dont even know what they call it for the inspire, and its not as heavy as the DHD roms, it would mean smoother rom, less battery drain, etc, like we all know the desire is lighter on the battery then the DHD. I'm just thinking if this would have the same features and is just easier on the battery load and not as heavy, Also obviously this being a newer phone, riping the kernel (which I have no idea on how to do) and seeing how that runs since from a quick look it seems to be a HTC kernel. Where this might help? Battery, Wifi, Bluetooth, New Drivers, etc.
At this point its not really about "oooo another rom to play with" I think at this point it should be, lets look at this and see if there is anything that can help stablize our builds, with what I mentioned above, cause as wel all know Android to a good degree is interchangeable with its parts of the OS, where SlowMo wasnt.
Does that make any sense?
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I would assume the inspire would run pretty much the same software as the desire hd, since the inspire is just the at&t version of desire hd. It'll probably have same kernel and sense version as DHD.
Where you say SlowMo, are you talking about winmo? I thought winmo was just as interchangeable with its parts, if not more, as android. Winmo was a great OS, especially on the HD2... it just wasn't supported anymore shortly after the HD2 was released.
I'd get an inspire if WinMo 6.5 was ported to it...until then I'm looking for a Tellus version of the HD2 when it makes sense to spend the money...WM6.5 rocks...I hate the sens UI and android, and I'm not a fan of WP7 yet so...
Lol...that was my first public post...and about a phone I probably wont get unless someone ports WinMo6.5....lol...I actually came across this thread looking to see if anyone had ported it, which unfortunately I doubt they ever will
It seems to me the more these newer devices advance, the less we really get out of them customization-wise....my Tilt2 does everything I need it to do, and I have way more options to customize it, including the ability to run android...I only run that to show the Android lovers that WinMo is actually better...lol
Besides those times, I run the standard Windows Mobile Today screen, not TF3D...not Sense, nor Titanium...the Old Old WM Today screen but if I didnt want to I could do Sense, TF3D, SPB, Titanium, etc....Android doesnt seem better, it just seems like it gets more attention because it's the new thing...but then again, perhaps it's easier to develop for, I don't know...I'm totally new to this stuff compared to many around here
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Lol...that was my first public post...and about a phone I probably wont get unless someone ports WinMo6.5....lol...I actually came across this thread looking to see if anyone had ported it, which unfortunately I doubt they ever will
It seems to me the more these newer devices advance, the less we really get out of them customization-wise....my Tilt2 does everything I need it to do, and I have way more options to customize it, including the ability to run android...I only run that to show the Android lovers that WinMo is actually better...lol
Besides those times, I run the standard Windows Mobile Today screen, not TF3D...not Sense, nor Titanium...the Old Old WM Today screen but if I didnt want to I could do Sense, TF3D, SPB, Titanium, etc....Android doesnt seem better, it just seems like it gets more attention because it's the new thing...but then again, perhaps it's easier to develop for, I don't know...I'm totally new to this stuff compared to many around here
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sorry, i dont want to offend you, but most parts of your post are nonsense..
You don't need to be sorry, or apologize to me, I'm not offended at all, I'm entitled to like what I like and I'm entitled to my opinion of operating systems...some people like Windows, others, Linux, and even still, Mac...they all have their benefits and none are garbage, although some might say one is or isn't..Chevy wussies argue with Ford Men all the time lol...
I take an honest approach by admitting I'm new, and don't know all of the ins-and-outs of the OS's of devices, I'm not a developer, at all...I'm an end-user, that's it... at the same time, I have my Tilt2 and I have an EVO 4G, I don't like the EVO, would trade it in a heartbeat for a Telstra HD2 and tbh, the only reason I want that is so I can put all of the OS's it can run on it so I can have my choice, and show it off...lol....it's the only device I know of that can run 5 operating systems on it....and sure, that's because the developers who have done the porting on it have done so, and is a statement to how genius they are, and yes, I consider them geniuses, of which for all I know, you are one of, but on the other hand, the HD2 is a windows mobile 6.5 device, that can run 5 operating systems and I don't see any Android devices being able to run any other operating systems.....so.....
Going back to what I said...I have my Tilt2, and use it as my primary device for everything....EVERYTHING....I own an emergency flood restoration construction company and I'm on call 24 hours a day,...the Tilt2 and the Evo 4G are pretty much chained to my hip at all times, and the only time I whip out the Evo is when it's time to stick it on the charger...there's nothing I have noticed about it that's better than my Tilt2....nothing....except maybe the screen size
I do think having the experience of owning each phone with each OS allows me credibility to say one phone does not outperform the other very much, and if one does, it's minimally...but I don't like the Evo, and I don't like the Sense UI, and I don't like the Android today screen any more than I like Sense....as an owner of each device, and a user of each device, I have formed my opinion based on my preference of devices that I own, and my Tilt2 windows mobile kicks ass over my Evo in regards to which device I enjoy using over the other...and that's not nonsense...it's a fact
Anyways, what brought me to this thread was to see the results of the discussion of HD2 Vs Inspire.....I'm up for an upgrade at AT&T, but I don't like the devices they have to offer at this particular time...the Inspire was a possible contender but it's pretty much an Evo...lol, and I've stated how I feel about it....I'm only going to consider the Inspire if someone ports 6.5 to it....what got me to comment here was someone mentioning WinMo as SlowMo.....6.5 is indeed a good OS, it's just unfortunately not continued
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Anyways, what brought me to this thread was to see the results of the discussion of HD2 Vs Inspire.....I'm up for an upgrade at AT&T, but I don't like the devices they have to offer at this particular time...the Inspire was a possible contender but it's pretty much an Evo...lol, and I've stated how I feel about it....I'm only going to consider the Inspire if someone ports 6.5 to it....what got me to comment here was someone mentioning WinMo as SlowMo.....6.5 is indeed a good OS, it's just unfortunately not continued
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HD2 is THE best winmo 6.5 phone, and properly the last one, you can go get a EU version that works on ATT network
I like sliding keyboards...I'm waiting to see what happens with the HTC PRO7...unfortunately, as much as I love my Tilt2 and the OS and UI, I know it will some day come time for me to retire it...and by then, devices like the PRO7 running WP7 and Android will be all thats available and noone is going to port 6.5 for anything...6.5 as far as I'm concerned was just missing the snapdragon processors and LED flashes and stuff that are coming out on the new devices
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I like sliding keyboards...I'm waiting to see what happens with the HTC PRO7...unfortunately, as much as I love my Tilt2 and the OS and UI, I know it will some day come time for me to retire it...and by then, devices like the PRO7 running WP7 and Android will be all thats available and noone is going to port 6.5 for anything...6.5 as far as I'm concerned was just missing the snapdragon processors and LED flashes and stuff that are coming out on the new devices
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True, i agree with you. I've own a tilt2 and this phone model is the Perfect device except its lack of cpu power/low quality camera and the Wmobile OS. If HTC would just release a similar device with the same build quality/design factor, a 4.3 or 4.0 screen, 512ram, Android, 5mpx cam with flash and most importantly retain the same dual speakers + call quality ---> this would be a killer device. The speakers sound and call quality are both the best I've heard on a HTC device.
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I'd get an inspire if WinMo 6.5 was ported to it...until then I'm looking for a Tellus version of the HD2 when it makes sense to spend the money...WM6.5 rocks...I hate the sens UI and android, and I'm not a fan of WP7 yet so...
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Though I don't hate android or Sense, but I would support you on WinMo 6.5 rocks...
I don't know why people are so against it...to me It used to work fine without any problems..
With Sense UI on WinMo and cookie mod...it still is as advanced and functional as any other OS out there and HD2 is the perfect machine to carry it... ofcourse I never used a stock ROM, been using NRGZ rom from day one...
But sad part is no new apps and games are being developed on it anymore and apps on Android, really add functionality to the phone...so it has to die it sad death . But its still better than crapberry OS anyway
Sorry for the offtopic but couldn't resist..
I hate resurrecting an old thread, but I hate even more having too many threads on the same topic.
I visited this thread a number of times prior to making the jump, it's done now though. I've went from a T9193 to the Inspire4g. Darkstone SuperRam was my daily driver as my primary concern in the device is speed. I didn't find any ROMs better.
No regrets, it is a better handset no doubt. If Android has become your daily driver while you were using your Leo, don't fear the switch. Right now mine dual-boots WP7 and SuperRam and I just never used WP7 so the switch was a no-brainer. Right out of the gate with the AT&T bloat and Sense it still feels faster than the Leo running SuperRam. The Gorilla Glass is nice, I always thought that the Leo not having it was one of HTCs biggest mistakes with that handset. The battery life seems worse, but I've gotten so used to garbage battery life (coming from BB) that it really doesn't matter. I have chargers everywhere I go.
All that said, I wouldn't spend the money if you don't have to. It's not staggeringly different. I had to spend the money because my GPS failed. It has since been fixed, but I'm not going back.
Well performance is never where the HD2 shone most brightly, it was the huge unrivaled variety it has, in both android and OSes offered. It has the same variety /functionality, you can get in any other device, even more than some, e.g. samsung galaxy s forums.
I've come from a long line of smart phones but my first android device was the dell streak...Dont get me wrong loved the device but lack of roms and development compared to the nexus one forums always made me jealous...so when the Nexus S was released I was down the shops the very day..
Got home and had the Nexus S for a while now and the numbers have grown but development never seems to be good as the HD2 forums...That thing runs everything
Is is just a case of more devs for the HD2 or is it more open?
Im so tempted to just cross over to the HD2 even though its a older device? Will I regret trading the nexus s in for the HD2? Any features I might miss?
I would say don't trade...just cop an HD2 from Craigslist or in the Marketplace...u can get one for a good price...no offense but why does everyone seem to have to only own one device..?? I switch between devices like I switch between my sneakers...
I'm guessing it's because windows 6.5 didn't need to be "rooted?" I'm not sure but when I had one, they got android ported over and I remember there wasn't anything special needed to run the rom from your sdcard. And right after I returned it they had a working version of android and windows 7 was shown running. So I guess, it's so "open" because it is "open".
Right now I'm rockin' a T-Mobile G2 rooted with Virtuous ROM 1.0.2. I love it, despite the bugs that are still there. I'm would like to get my hands on a HD2, or even a touch pro 2 haha. And I guess some people feel the need to rock 1 phone because they can't afford more. And yes, keep your nexus s. Don't get rid of it for a hd2.
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HD2 is more like the prototype, everytime something finishes, something new surfaces. The hardware flexibility and also I think the delay in launch of any good phone after HD2, made the developers more involved in this phone, making way for a lot of choices.
As I think, we get bored of the same stuff each day, unless we try and develop something new so that even the old device gets a new life.
in my opinion, a small but significant slice of the "open" nature of the HD2 can be attributed to the HD2 being fairly similar to newer devices in terms of hardware. quite a few of the newer devices after the HD2 were still snapdragon/qualcomm chipsets. really, the only NEW improvements in hardware since the HD2 have been:
1. NFC
2. HDMI output
3. 3D cameras
4. LTE, WiMAX, etc radios
...and i can't think of much more but there may be 1 or 2 more such items.
all OTHER improvements have been "evolutionary", i.e. better screen technologies, more RAM, more ROM, faster processors, faster GPUs, front video call cameras, etc.
so newer hardware was still quite similar for 1-1.5 years after the HD2's hardware, long enough that the HD2 could "copy" the drivers and ROMs of its newer rivals. and because the newer rivals were an influx of android eclair and froyo and later gingerbread and windows phone 7, etc, the HD2 got lots of lovin'!!!
Just my thoughts on the subject. I agree with the post above about the HD2 was the first device to sport the hardware it has and then so many devices followed shot with the same or close to the same hardware. Also I think it has I would like to say a lot to do with the HD2's bootloader, but.I do not have a good enough working knowledge of the bootloader to say for sure. Still I think it has something to do with it as all the device manufactures are locking down their bootloaders now. I know I meantioned hardware already, but the fact that it was the first device to have a 4.3 in screen probably has a good bit to do with devs falling in love with the HD2. As I said just my thoughts.
i think it was the bootloader wasnt locked down whcih made it easier to hack
Well, HTC hardware (especially the Windows Mobile ones) are much more easier to hack because of hardware, bootloader, etc.
In my opinion, it all started from the XDA II (HTC_Himalaya) and from then on we began a hacking-to-make-it-awesome-spree on most HTC devices
I wondered the same thing.
Another person told me that the primary factor was that it was due to the HD2 having Windows Mobile as a default OS. This factor allowed it to run WP7 (for a technical reason I fail to understand). Android, Ubuntu, and MeeGo are all open source OS, so they can be ported without a necessary underlying system.
I don't know how true this is, but it seems to make sense. As among the last of the WinMo smartphones, the HD2 is only Windows Mobile phone to have the combined advantage of a 1Ghz Snapdragon CPU, 576MB RAM, and, perhaps most importantly, it was an HTC phone.
Other standout WinMo smartphones, such as the Acer neoTouch and Toshiba TG01, had the CPU but lacked the RAM. Furthermore, the fact that they were created by Acer/Toshiba meant that they lacked the all-important XDA support (which was pretty much 90% faithful to HTC at the time). All of this combined to give the HD2 a superb stage to outperform every other phone when it comes to hackability.
Of course, this is just speculation on my part, but many other explanations just doesn't seem to work for me.
EDIT: I can't believe I completely forgot this, but there was also another super important factor that separated the HD2 from the neoTouch and TG01 -- the HD2 had a capacitive display.
the HD2 was a beast when it came out... Developers went crazy when a 4.3in 1Ghz 576MB ram WM6.5 phone came out.. It was GOLD! It was ahead of its time on how the hardware was combined and even today new phones are only starting to pass the HD2 in specs.. High Res Cameras and dual core chips are the made difference while ram in some phones is still the same or not much increase..
imo the big jump will be the phones from next year that will be released.. because 3D is useless and is just a gimmick it will die off pritty soon.. But truly powerful phones will start showing up by the end of the year and onto 2012 until then our HD2's still have a fighting chance
Keep your Nexus S... At some point development will kickoff, but it never hurts if you can have another phone laying around to mess with