I'm just wondering why people make it seem like this phone is so bad from the factory. It runs MUCH faster than any other Win Mo device and I haven't seen it freeze one time. I have an Android g1 on my other line which runs about as fast as an iphone in my opinion and I've never had any problems with freezing or anything. I got the G1 because I could no longer deal with freezing and resets from Win Mo devices even though I preferred them over droid based on iphone systems. But with this HD2 I'm very pleased. It basically seems to run even faster than my G1 and is better than the Iphone in all ways as far as I'm concerned with the exception of the apps and having to pay for most of what's worth having on a Win Mo phone. And this is without having flashed any roms or adding any 3 part apps which I would usually have done to a Win Mo phone the same day I got it in the past. But the thing is I just got mines this week so maybe what ever issues that may have existed when originally released might have been eliminated by now. Or maybe data/connection issues are based on what area you're in. Sorry, just asking cause I was curious. So what do you guys think?
I think complaints about data are likely location dependent.
I got mine day 2 after launch and it was part of the first dozen the T-Mobile store had in stock. So I got mine out of the "first" batch.
(And for anyone wondering, mine has a "red" reset button.)
I came over to T-Mobile after over a year with a Sprint HTC Touch Pro and the HD2 is way better. And I like being able to use data and voice simultaneously on 3G. Overall I'm happy I made the move to T-Mobile and got the HD2.
I used the stock ROM up till a couple days ago. I did not have any real big issues with the stock ROM. It's just that ROM chefs like NRGZ28 will ALWAYS make something that's better than stock . And with NRGZ28 being a T-Mobile customer with an HD2, I knew his ROM would improve on anything that could be improved. I also used to use his ROMs when I had a CDMA Touch Pro, so I'm familiar with his work.
So with EnergyROM, I'm finding that everything does run faster, but everything was running faster than my old Touch Pro using the stock ROM . And with stock my data and WiFi speeds were "OK", but with EnergyROM I can say they've gotten way faster. The radio on mine is 2.08.50.08_2. I've never flashed a different radio and far as I know EnergyROM does not include a radio. But as usual EnergyROM did improve on something that was already great.
If there were no custom ROMs yet, I would not be complaining, because with stock things were well for me.
If mine were not working well, I guess I'd complain too, but mine works great, so I'm just enjoying.
Mine had been running just fine. The only time I had freezing issues was after I installed spb mobile shell. Other than that it's been fantastic. No freezing, no connection problems. I've used windows mobile devices before and I really don't mind it. I'm coming from a G1 and I love the screen, speed and media options on the HD2. I don't even miss android.
Read the HD2 complaints.
Then look at who is doing the complaining.
Many of your questions will be answered.
Most the people on here that have heavy complaints could actually have a fix, yet just get all pissy about how they used to have a nexus1 or iphone or droid or whatever and never had "this" issue. I'm not one of the masses so I don't just complain, I find a solution then floss my phone to the world.
Fact is, the internet is a haven of complaining. Most people in the "regular world" are using the HTC like butter and have nothing to say. But when we get our chance to shine on the forums, boy will we get on the soapbox trying to get people to not only boycott a phone, but even whole operating systems.
If your phone is a little screwy, GOOD, welcome to the techno age asshole.
I'm getting really tired of people flooding this forum with threads such as this... opinions are NOT important on this website, FACTS are what matter.
And the FACT of the matter is... frequent users of these forums do NOT want to read endless arguments and complaints from folks who are incapable of properly operating a mobile device such as the HD2!
Honestly, it seems like there must be a lot of morons in the United States who have JUST NOW discovered the quality devices that HTC has to offer...
Because, truth be told (again) I haven't experienced ONE, SINGLE, even minor problem at all with my handset. NOT ONE!
I have made countless registry tweaks, installed tons of Manila modifications, and I'm still using the STOCK ROM provided by T-Mobile USA.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS DEVICE!
Please, feel free to spread the word. Thanks.
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I'm getting really tired of people flooding this forum with threads such as this... opinions are NOT important on this website, FACTS are what matter.
And the FACT of the matter is... frequent users of these forums do NOT want to read endless arguments and complaints from folks who are incapable of properly operating a mobile device such as the HD2!
Honestly, it seems like there must be a lot of morons in the United States who have JUST NOW discovered the quality devices that HTC has to offer...
Because, truth be told (again) I haven't experienced ONE, SINGLE, even minor problem at all with my handset. NOT ONE!
I have made countless registry tweaks, installed tons of Manila modifications, and I'm still using the STOCK ROM provided by T-Mobile USA.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS DEVICE!
Please, feel free to spread the word. Thanks.
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Agreed. This is the best, most problem free, and fastest phone I've ever owned.
But this phone has attracted more WM newbies than any other WM device in the past, so we're hearing the problems all these iphone & android users and just alltogether non-techsavvy people are having adjusting to and learning winmo. They don't understand why it isn't dumbed down (and locked down) like the iphone or android.
I think T-Mobile is advertising this phone too much as and entertainment and media phone. This phone is not for everyone. But it most definitely is the most powerful and versatile phone out now.
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Agreed. This is the best, most problem free, and fastest phone I've ever owned.
But this phone has attracted more WM newbies than any other WM device in the past, so we're hearing the problems all these iphone & android users and just alltogether non-techsavvy people are having adjusting to and learning winmo. They don't understand why it isn't dumbed down (and locked down) like the iphone or android.
I think T-Mobile is advertising this phone too much as and entertainment and media phone. This phone is not for everyone. But it most definitely is the most powerful and versatile phone out now.
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I could NOT have "agreed" with my opinion any better than you just did here, sir.
Finally, someone to rationalize with... Jesus!
Anyway, for the record... I meant NO disrespect towards those people who legitimately are "noobs" to our community... I'm just having trouble understanding just how it is that so many people are complaining about such a masterpiece.
noobs need to get off the site
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I could NOT have "agreed" with my opinion any better than you just did here, sir.
Finally, someone to rationalize with... Jesus!
Anyway, for the record... I meant NO disrespect towards those people who legitimately are "noobs" to our community... I'm just having trouble understanding just how it is that so many people are complaining about such a masterpiece.
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everyone wants a phone to be perfect yet no one has a perfect phone there is no such thing as a perfect phone or anything being perfect hd2 is great better then anyother phone ive had came from the iphone and the touch pro2 to the hd2 both the toucch pro2 and the hd2 dont have much different besides the rom and the speed and the screen. those noobs that are on this site need to know that theres no such thing as a perfect phone and if they dont like it go return it its that easy.
The reason why I runs much faster than a G1 or iPhone is because it has a 1GHz Snapdragon processor, the fastest processor right now for a mass production cell phone in the US. The iPhone 2G and 3G only run at 412MHz, and the G1 at 528MHz.
Spec vs. Spec, the HD2 blows the iPhone (and G1) out the water, everything is bigger but doesn't always mean it's better. As a previous iPhone user (still have it), I love everything about my HD2 features, it just does things my iPhone can not do and it's jailbroken and heavily modded too.
So is it that bad? No, it's not but I do believe the product was rushed. I've had lots of problems with mine, including the data connection issue. If you read some older post, some of the people from Europe are having issues still that HTC has not care to look into (phone launched last year).
I think people (those who reply so far) and others are quick to turn a blind eye or ignore when people are expressing problems. If your phone is problem free, congratulations, you are very lucky (and we envy you), but to say "THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS DEVICE!" is blantant lie. There are plenty of threads with info, pics and video showing off the fustration members are going through. There are people even make .cab to fix issues that should have never made it to a production phone (IE: Text Message timestap/server time)
Also just because other people haven't step forward or posted on a forum does not mean the phone is working perfectly, you guys gotta realize not everybody has access to the internet or know how to search, register or reply on forums with issues. I have a couple of friends who have the HD2, experincing problems and are far from computer savvy. I ask them if they've heard of 'xda' or 'pocketnow' and it's just blank stares, lol. So like most people do in this case is, call T-mobile. At least T-mobile is NOW finally understanding the issues because a CSR told me today they've been getting numerous complaints and T-mobile is looking into the issue (take it for what its worth).
Look, to be honest, I also think a lot of complaints come from experienced users who are used to the state of the art Flashed ROMs, therefore, any factory ROM is below their standards...I personally hated it because I'm in love with WinMo 6.5.x...doesn't make it horrible, just my preference...though I never "complained" lol...
There are many who will enjoy the HD2 those who have no need to make a phone call usinf wi/fi, those who do not mind the small battery & those who can remove core issues from the micro, it is a very nice phone but from my experience HTC pulled a fast one & I have no use for the HD2
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The reason why I runs much faster than a G1 or iPhone is because it has a 1GHz Snapdragon processor, the fastest processor right now for a mass production cell phone in the US. The iPhone 2G and 3G only run at 412MHz, and the G1 at 528MHz.
Spec vs. Spec, the HD2 blows the iPhone (and G1) out the water, everything is bigger but doesn't always mean it's better. As a previous iPhone user (still have it), I love everything about my HD2 features, it just does things my iPhone can not do and it's jailbroken and heavily modded too.
So is it that bad? No, it's not but I do believe the product was rushed. I've had lots of problems with mine, including the data connection issue. If you read some older post, some of the people from Europe are having issues still that HTC has not care to look into (phone launched last year).
I think people (those who reply so far) and others are quick to turn a blind eye or ignore when people are expressing problems. If your phone is problem free, congratulations, you are very lucky (and we envy you), but to say "THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS DEVICE!" is blantant lie. There are plenty of threads with info, pics and video showing off the fustration members are going through. There are people even make .cab to fix issues that should have never made it to a production phone (IE: Text Message timestap/server time)
Also just because other people haven't step forward or posted on a forum does not mean the phone is working perfectly, you guys gotta realize not everybody has access to the internet or know how to search, register or reply on forums with issues. I have a couple of friends who have the HD2, experincing problems and are far from computer savvy. I ask them if they've heard of 'xda' or 'pocketnow' and it's just blank stares, lol. So like most people do in this case is, call T-mobile. At least T-mobile is NOW finally understanding the issues because a CSR told me today they've been getting numerous complaints and T-mobile is looking into the issue (take it for what its worth).
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I don't think it was rushed. The problems are no different than any other WinMo device has had in the past. But most people who are WinMo users understand this and come to this forum and together have come up with solutions. A lot of the problems have the same solutions they did on previous devices, so people who know WinMo know how to work around these.
You have to understand that WinMo was not originally designed to be a phone.... it was and is a portable stand-alone version of a windows OS... a full fledged operating system. It has had phone functionality added to it over the years. It is much more versatile and doesn't have the limits that other mobile OS's(ones that were built just to be phones) have. It is a portable computer with phone functionality. The other phone OS's are phones with some portable computing functionality.
T-Mobile is blatantly advertising this powerful, portable computer as a "media phone" and a lot of people who are not technical enough for a device this powerful are getting it expecting it to work like a media device that was designed to be an easy to use phone. That's why I can't completely blame all these newbies... they were thinking they were getting a media phone, but end up with something that's way beyond there level of technical experience. Hopefully T-Mobile will realize this once they get enough complaints and returns and maybe they will stop advertising it as such. But it will take them a while because they are making a killing off of them. But actually, I think the phone may be refined and user friendly enough for most users to get by with it good enough that they are happy with it. Otherwise, T-Mobile would be getting much more returns and complaints than I think they're getting and they would be cutting back on the advertising already. I'm sure most people aren't using the device to it's potential, but it seems most people are happy enough with it to keep and use it. The Sense UI does a pretty decent job at making the interface "phone-like" and user friendly, even though it does have some problems. Personally, I could do without the Sense UI, but that's a whole other post.
@ zarathustrax & @ Raadius: I may not be as savvy as most PC players yet I follow pocketsmart, wmpoweruser, & quite a few more & I realize how short of a time before TMO itself will unlock the HD2 & yes quite a few other ways to do the same but both your threads seem to show you have good reception with no need for UMA (wi/fi ). Now if as I'm learning, is there a way to enable wi/fi to the HD2, since my reception with TMO is terrible & regardless how long I've been following the Leo, I am sad to say I have to return the HD2 unless someone can show me a way to improve my reception. It is sad to say the only way I can find wi/fi is with a smaller screen & kb which is no use to me.
I will go to android if the snapdragon, battery, screen & reception are present.
I've grown through Palm OS into Windows, Android is to me freeware on my Windows OS PC. So again unless noted, I am sad to release my HD2.
I only had the phone for a day and got the sleep of death 4 times having to reset it...and that was without even installing anything on it. On top of that it wouldnt hold 3G and kept flipping between 3G and edge killing the battery off ridiculously fast.
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I don't think it was rushed. The problems are no different than any other WinMo device has had in the past. But most people who are WinMo users understand this and come to this forum and together have come up with solutions. A lot of the problems have the same solutions they did on previous devices, so people who know WinMo know how to work around these.
You have to understand that WinMo was not originally designed to be a phone.... it was and is a portable stand-alone version of a windows OS... a full fledged operating system. It has had phone functionality added to it over the years. It is much more versatile and doesn't have the limits that other mobile OS's(ones that were built just to be phones) have. It is a portable computer with phone functionality. The other phone OS's are phones with some portable computing functionality.
T-Mobile is blatantly advertising this powerful, portable computer as a "media phone" and a lot of people who are not technical enough for a device this powerful are getting it expecting it to work like a media device that was designed to be an easy to use phone. That's why I can't completely blame all these newbies... they were thinking they were getting a media phone, but end up with something that's way beyond there level of technical experience. Hopefully T-Mobile will realize this once they get enough complaints and returns and maybe they will stop advertising it as such. But it will take them a while because they are making a killing off of them. But actually, I think the phone may be refined and user friendly enough for most users to get by with it good enough that they are happy with it. Otherwise, T-Mobile would be getting much more returns and complaints than I think they're getting and they would be cutting back on the advertising already. I'm sure most people aren't using the device to it's potential, but it seems most people are happy enough with it to keep and use it. The Sense UI does a pretty decent job at making the interface "phone-like" and user friendly, even though it does have some problems. Personally, I could do without the Sense UI, but that's a whole other post.
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And this is one of the many reasons I switched to Android from winmo. I know people dont mind tweaking their phones and whatnot here.. but some of these things people SHOULD NOT have to do when purchasing a $500 phone. There is no reason winmo phones should STILL be having the sleep of death as long as the 6th version of winmo has been out. There is NO reason they shouldnt have implemented the timestamp/date fix into this thing BEFORE shipping it. There is NO reason the phone should be freezing on the FIRST DAY right out of the box.
I was once a major winmo fan and was pretty anti everything except it. But once I tried Android I realized that having to do all of these tweaks and flashes shouldnt be necessary just to get basic functionality.
Reignzone said:
I have made countless registry tweaks, installed tons of Manila modifications, and I'm still using the STOCK ROM provided by T-Mobile USA.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS DEVICE!
Please, feel free to spread the word. Thanks.
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Care too share your mods? and registry tweaks?
Just got an HD2, I switched from an IPHONE, I love the device. My only suggestion for those who knock it... figure out what you don't like and try to customize it or tweak it till your happy. Its a Windows device and is 10 times more versatile than an iphone. Also, the ROMS that are available out there are phenominal. Start off with one that is minimal and build away.... I recommend the MIRI ROM with cookies mod.....beautiful!!!
peace...
I don't see how anyone could claim the T-Mobile US HD2 was "rushed" when it took what seems to be forever for the device to even reach the USA to begin with. And the T-Mobile US version has 1024 NAND memory.
All I can say is that I'm happy.
But I don't think you "really" know till like 6 months out when everyone has used a device for a LONG TIME and then we all can say how great or not great it really is. Of course we'll all see something else that catches our eye by then, but longer term use tells an even truer tale. So far though, almost 30 days in and I'm happy.
And yes, custom ROMs make a good device even better.
im a total noob when it comes to win mo phones.... never complained, but i've never been one to really complain..
i just dont like the constant 3G to E switching, but thats a tmobile and location issue.. not an HD2 issue..
I LOVE my HD2!
I don't know why, but it seems since I moved to EnergyROM, that my device stays on 3G more often.
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I have had the HD2 for a week now and as much as i love it, i am leaning towards returning it for the simple reason that it has windows underneath the hood.
I have had so many problems with trying to keep the data connection alive and setting up synchronisation etc - how i wish this phone had Android-like always on possibilities!
i downloaded the skyfire browser today and was blown away by its ability, but no so much when it tells me you dont have a data connection regularly!
i am sad sad sad today because when i moved my eyes from its ginormous screen to my measly ipod touch i was really unable to browse! the wifi router is brilliant too, when it works
so anyone with pearls of wisdom...convince me to stay
my biggest gripe is that out the box, i have to fiddle around with it so much just to get it to do what every consumer would like it to do - for example the missing task manager, pinch to zoom options etc
if HTC were going to make a phone of this calibre, i wish they didnt feel the need to gag it with winmo
help?
Your first impression is mostly the right one. If you like android more, return your phone ASAP as you've bought a windows phone. Misstakes happen !
lucid said:
Your first impression is mostly the right one. If you like android more, return your phone ASAP as you've bought a windows phone. Misstakes happen !
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I agree with lucid. Sounds like this simply isn't the phone for you.
Since there is task manager and pinch to zoom abilities available, it's not winmo that's gagging the phone, but HTC.
Just want you to make sure your gripes are directed at the correct place.
I have zero issues with my data connection.
I am so tired of everyone wising the Leo had shipped with Android instead of Windows Mobile. I was bored this morning and reading the rather negative reviews of the HD2 on Gizmodo and Engadget, and every other comment on those reviews is about how people love the HD2 but wish it had Android. Well, it doesn't.
I understand you actually have experienced problems with your phone, as opposed to those others who seemingly were hoping by some fluke the HD2 would come out with Android instead of WM as advertised. But then you tell us to convince you to stay with the HD2... if you really have a problem then ask for a solution. If the data issue really annoys you then why would you want someone to convince you to stay with something that doesn't serve its intended purpose for you?
I'm guessing many people bought the HD2 on a whim upon seeing the impressive spec sheet, without ever stopping to think that it ships with Windows Mobile and whether they even liked the platform. Were you one of them? Because you can just look for a solution to your data connection loss problem, instead of trying to get us to list for you the reasons why you should stay with the HD2/WM. The pros and cons of the platform are a just a Google search away.
Edit: Also, you want better pinch to zoom support, eh? Then make sure you stay away from the current latest and greatest Android handset - the mighty and revered Motorola Droid. Yeah, it has no pinch to zoom even though it has the hardware for it. See, HTC aren't so evil afterall.
Personally I think the HD2 is awesome, I know its been annoying with so many problems but there is always a fix. I haven't had any problems with the data connection or sync.
I know HTC should be the ones to sort this out instead of us, however everytime I try a new tweak it sorta makes the phone new to me again.
BSB tweaks is amazing btw, I think it should sort out everything you need, pinch to zoom and screen rotate as well as camera tweak and screen sensitivity all in one application.
Im still on the .143 Rom and theres a .201 (or whatever) rom coming out.
Its getting better and better.
I am waiting to see what the google phone has to offer but the HD2 should be able to hold its own especially since wm7 is coming out...whenever that is.
If you are really hating the HD2 then return it and get an android, winmo isnt that bad. Definite improvement if you remember the older models.
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Edit: Also, you want better pinch to zoom support, eh? Then make sure you stay away from the current latest and greatest Android handset - the mighty and revered Motorola Droid. Yeah, it has no pinch to zoom even though it has the hardware for it. See, HTC aren't so evil afterall.
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Haha true, I heard the new nexus one doesn't have pinch to zoom either. Actually saying that, they may add it in since it hasn't been released yet.
Everyone bangs-on about Android but has anyone actually lived with an Android device for say a year? No. Who knows what issues and annoyances the platform holds. If it takes off as it appears it will, with everyman and his dog seemingly wanting it, no doubt I will be trying it myself on a handset in the future but right now Win Mo holds no problems for me. The HD2 itself does, but that's for another thread.
First try to be patient and see if you can make the phone work the way you like with the all tweaks around. Have you tried BSB tweaks? most of them are there. For task manager I recommend Showcase, a great solution.
Yeah, there maybe lot's of little issues but most of them can be remedied. If you got it working right, make a full backup with something like spb backup so that everytime something goes wrong and you have to hard reset, you can have everything back in a minute.
And ofcourse better roms will surely come and htc is trying to improve the HD2. Many of the bugs are fixed in the 1.61 rom, have you tried it? not to mention we're so close to custom roms now.
I don't know how familiar you are with windows mobile. If it's your first winmo device, know that one major advantage of winmo over other OSs is that you can tweak and change a lot of things, so there's always hope for better tweaks and better software.
Lastly, if you have tried all I said and there's absolutely no way you can cope with this device, well, I guess it's just not the right device for you.
thank you to everyone that has replied
point taken about leaping without thinking, and yes i guess most issues are resolved by installing tweaks and updates - like u say wotsreallygood, its always getting better and it really is - only today i saw how brilliant it is with flash sites, after installing skyfire browser.
i guess the reason i said convince me to stay is because i want to see light at the end of the tunnel: though there might never be a stable usable android platform on the HD2 i would like to think that most of the creases with the current OS can be ironed out substantially!
and winmo6.5 is a drastic improvement from previous versions - i used to work with old winmo from the times of mda compact III - slowwwwwwwwww in a word
i totally rate HTC as a good phone manufacturer, and i would never buy a motorola even if it had diamonds for keys lol
comments appreciated though, a lot of food for thought!
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First try to be patient and see if you can make the phone work the way you like with the all tweaks around. Have you tried BSB tweaks? most of them are there. For task manager I recommend Showcase, a great solution.
Yeah, there maybe lot's of little issues but most of them can be remedied. If you got it working right, make a full backup with something like spb backup so that everytime something goes wrong and you have to hard reset, you can have everything back in a minute.
And ofcourse better roms will surely come and htc is trying to improve the HD2. Many of the bugs are fixed in the 1.61 rom, have you tried it? not to mention we're so close to custom roms now.
I don't know how familiar you are with windows mobile. If it's your first winmo device, know that one major advantage of winmo over other OSs is that you can tweak and change a lot of things, so there's always hope for better tweaks and better software.
Lastly, if you have tried all I said and there's absolutely no way you can cope with this device, well, I guess it's just not the right device for you.
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hi mightmn - thanks - yeah i tried the 1.61 and it seemed to make the device a little unstable for me, so i used the goldcard method and now am using 1.48 - i am yet to install bsb tweaks - i finally managed to work out how to keep my contacts synced but i think that was a problem with my outlook (version 2010 beta apparently this is a known issue and ms will not be supporting winmo sync or something like that?)
i am about to install the BSB tweaks, i think i will keep the phone and worse case scenario for me is that if i do get tired of constantly tweaking and tweaking i shall just sell it lol
And ty for advising on using spb backup, i shall search for that now and keep a regular back up thats very sound advice
Immyl,,
Keep going if you can with all the hints and tweaks on here plus BSB Tweaks. However if you are not getting on with the device then cut your losses and go with something else instead.
I managed to get a 2nd play on the HD2 today and it certainly looked impressive. I have yet to use one on a daily basis so maybe once Father Xmas has been and I get to use one on a daily basis I might well take a hammer to it!
Xperia X10 perhaps?
WB
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Immyl,,
Keep going if you can with all the hints and tweaks on here plus BSB Tweaks. However if you are not getting on with the device then cut your losses and go with something else instead.
I managed to get a 2nd play on the HD2 today and it certainly looked impressive. I have yet to use one on a daily basis so maybe once Father Xmas has been and I get to use one on a daily basis I might well take a hammer to it!
Xperia X10 perhaps?
WB
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yeh wacky banana i was thinking about whether to wait for the X10 but being on tmobileuk and having worked for them i know more than likely we will be waiting til august to get it even if it launches in march! i am sticking with it and if all else fails there is always ebay...
oh btw one thing that does sway me is being able to connect my ipod to the wifi router ha that is quite a lot of fun
The winmo OS itself is so massive compare to newborns like Android and iOS, that's why it takes time to get around and even more time to get yourself situated in a comfortable position (even if it means countless tweakings). With every tweak and fix, you're suddenly opening up yourself to a whole different level of usability, way more expansive than the other aforementioned OSes. As a child, you start out with tricycles then graduate to a bicycles and at last, automobiles. Each one of those stages has their conveniences and it takes time to ease into them.
If you think it's so hard to handle the OS (or HTC for that matter), take a look at the themes and applications forum and see the countless of people in there happily using their phone through personal customization and tweakings. You can't tell me that all those additions are easily accessible with other OSes (it's possible, but arduous). What I'm trying to say is that, it's a challenge when face with obstacles, but with the help of XDA, the light at the end of the tunnel is just a few clicks away.
With that said, if you still think winmo is the root of all evil and is too complex for you to even maintain data connection (though that sounds more like a service provider problem than the phone itself), feel free to return it and get whatever phone you want.
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The winmo OS itself is so massive compare to newborns like Android and iOS, that's why it takes time to get around and even more time to get yourself situated in a comfortable position (even if it means countless tweakings). With every tweak and fix, you're suddenly opening up yourself to a whole different level of usability, way more expansive than the other aforementioned OSes. As a child, you start out with tricycles then graduate to a bicycles and at last, automobiles. Each one of those stages has their conveniences and it takes time to ease into them.
If you think it's so hard to handle the OS (or HTC for that matter), take a look at the themes and applications forum and see the countless of people in there happily using their phone through personal customization and tweakings. You can't tell me that all those additions are easily accessible with other OSes (it's possible, but arduous). What I'm trying to say is that, it's a challenge when face with obstacles, but with the help of XDA, the light at the end of the tunnel is just a few clicks away.
With that said, if you still think winmo is the root of all evil and is too complex for you to even maintain data connection (though that sounds more like a service provider problem than the phone itself), feel free to return it and get whatever phone you want.
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ty lude219
i think in hindsight i do agree, winmo is a lot easier to manipulate than other OS's - and even though its not always ideal, you cannot deny how powerful it is with quite a wide compatibility list
i am sticking with it for now and shall see where it goes, especially since i here there is a new ROM due soon
You could wait for the HTC Bravo.
BUT
- it maybe won't have multitouch at all, or lagging multitouch like the Hero
- it will lack a bunch of features that you get with Windows Mobile
So what you should do is: Instead of just complaining about shortcomings of the HD2, think about whether other devices would really make it better, or maybe have even more shortcomings - then decide what to do.
I also sometimes get annoyed with the HD2, but then I think of all its advantages over other devices like Android ones ot the iPhone, and in the end I always come to the conclusion that, though the HD2 is not perfect, it definitely is the one that comes closest to perfect for me, so it's the right choice - for me, at least.
The title of this thread is maybe not the right thing to put lol
Nooone needs to convince you to stay mate, if you wanted peoples opinions then thats one thing but if you arent getting on with it and would rather have a different phone or different operating system then thats totally your call and I hope you find whatever combination makes you happy.
Theres plenty of threads stating what people hate and like about the phone and how to tweak the phone and make it perform better so have a read around and then you can decide what you want to do.
Good luck
Stay
I am humbled by the moderate and patient tone of the replies in this thread.
My first instinct is to flame an attitude of 'convince me to stay'.
As it has been eloquently put, winmo is a feature not a drawback.
Too many people seem to have been caught in the crossfire of Giz-shmodo & Enfadget anti-winmo diatribe.
The way I find solutions to any problem is to STAY.
On winmo there are always many ways to skin a cat.
It would be a pity to be on a platform where there is not the possibility to solve problems other than to complain, which rarely works.
I have been using Winmo for many years and the following are my personal opinions so please don't flame me. Truth be told, were it not for the talented developers, chefs, XDA & forum users (XDA & others), I would have moved on a long time ago.
The bigggest problem, imho,is that MS focussed on developing the Winmo OS, handing it over to the Handest maker for a few dollars and thereby "hoped" that the software & hardware would function as a unified solution.
The second issue has been that MS lagged in improving the OS and providing a viable marketing platform to developers. Their are tons of applications available for Winmo, however until recently their did not exist a single unified place to browse, purchase, review and simply install them. As a result Winmo was and to a great degree still is seeing by some as a business OS, one that was driven by how well (or not) it integrated with MS Outlook / Exchange, included office etc. MS has always traded on this perception
As a result of the above, we saw the rise of blackberrys & iphones. Both companies focussed on a single soultion where hardware and software were manufactured as a single unit. Both also focussed on specific solution points, BB on easy, secure access to email / apps and Apple with their product packaging & appstore /itunes integration.
So I ask myself why did I not take the plunge and move to either of these 2 platforms. Simple:
I like the choice I have with Winmo. I can flash Roms, try different radios, install apps from all over, play with the registry etc etc etc.
The HD2 is the first Winmo phone I have had that I can live with as is for the next 2 years. yes it has some issues, however none of them are a real deal breaker.
Until then, I wait patiently for cmonex /olipro and the rest of the team to complete SSPL and for our talented chefs and developers to give us the tools to enjoy our devices that little bit more! So if I were you I would be patient, look beyond the niggles and STAY.
Until Winmo 7 is released and then the fun really begins.
i really wanted to like this phone since it came out last year but it really had let me down at every corner. everything is a project and most nothing works like it should. ive flashed roms installed various cab to help but windows mobile is just a piece of ****. i came from a phone that worked 99.9% of the time to a phone that i have to mod and then have to reboot 3 times a day to work 60% of the time if im lucky. i click on youtube.... takes forever even on wifi. i daytrade and there is not one single winmo app that can compare to the iphone app that i have for stocks....and looked for days. i use opera mobile and this ***** locks up. i use skyfire and it wont play the videos (why the **** not)that i need especially law and order. my suppose non flash iphone can play them.. sorry for any misspelling(its the keyboard)i have to battle with. now if i only can remember where i left it......my iphone that is.
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i really wanted to like this phone since it came out last year but it really had let me down at every corner. everything is a project and most nothing works like it should. ive flashed roms installed various cab to help but windows mobile is just a piece of ****. i came from a phone that worked 99.9% of the time to a phone that i have to mod and then have to reboot 3 times a day to work 60% of the time if im lucky. i click on youtube.... takes forever even on wifi. i daytrade and there is not one single winmo app that can compare to the iphone app that i have for stocks....and looked for days. i use opera mobile and this ***** locks up. i use skyfire and it wont play the videos (why the **** not)that i need especially law and order. my suppose non flash iphone can play them.. sorry for any misspelling(its the keyboard)i have to battle with. now if i only can remember where i left it......my iphone that is.
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painful but true wm6.5 is a piece of sh*t & and being the os of hd2 is a big waste of its power & (hd2+wm6.5 ) is a big waste of money
i agree. Almost did the same mistake. I would advise you to get a phone with android OS. Sorry mate!!!
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You guys shouldn't get an HD2 at the first place! Windows Mobile is for users that know what they are doing and like to optimize and customize the OS.
If you like the iPhone just get one! Please don't start discussions here that lead to nowhere!
What do you expect to hear from the community here?
I had 2 iPhones, one Palm Pre and many many Windows Mobile devices. I am an IT Pro and I know my way as regards to mobile OSes...
Having said that, I love my HD2 and I find it a great phone for everybody that wants to have a great communications device, watch movies, play music and do all kinds of stuff but games!
If you are looking a device that "just works", then Steve Jobs is waiting for you and your money...
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You guys shouldn't get an HD2 at the first place! Windows Mobile is for users that know what they are doing and like to optimize and customize the OS.
If you like the iPhone just get one! Please don't start discussions here that lead to nowhere!
What do you expect to hear from the community here?
I had 2 iPhones, one Palm Pre and many many Windows Mobile devices. I am an IT Pro and I know my way as regards to mobile OSes...
Having said that, I love my HD2 and I find it a great phone for everybody that wants to have a great communications device, watch movies, play music and do all kinds of stuff but games!
If you are looking a device that "just works", then Steve Jobs is waiting for you and your money...
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HD2 is a brillant phone ... if u know how to use it well.
ive also had a iphone, palm pre... i total agree with petvas post
In my opinion I think that the HD2 is an amazing phone with so much potential. I have spent countless hours trying different ROMs and RADIOs and tweaking everything. Right now I am on Energy with the GTX Theme and I am LOVING it.
The one deal breaker for me though is that my phone has the Internet Dropout problem which many people around the forum have. If it wasn't for this I would love my phone to bits. But right now it's completely unusable.
T-Mobile stock ROM is a living nightmare, ridden with bugs, and unfortunately the average user would not know about HSPLing their device just to get a working phone.
Because I am completely unable to use the Internet on my phone without having to re-connect every 2 minutes, I am getting the HTC Desire, absolutely free! This is because I have reported this to T-Mobile and have tried everything to resolve it but it just doesn't work. I am just waiting for T-Mobile to get stock of the Desire and it will then be sent to me within 2 days. Hope this helps!
The complainers just fail at life and don't know how to follow simple flashing instructions. Maybe next time you guys will research how use phone and how to perform the hacks before you sink your money into it. WM is for people that near limitless access to their phone and OS.
ok listen, ive had various wm phones over the years and i consider myself a pro since ive had considerable time with wm. the problem i have is that it looks like no matter the hardware wm just wont play nice and it cannot be this way. Im tired of people saying that wm is for people that know what there are doing however if their phone were running tip top they never share the secret. why should i need a billion different cabs to speed this thing up when it supposedly has the top of theline processor. why the frequent lockups, why do i have to run cleanram every other minute. i never had these problems so fequently on prior versions of wm. also everybody says "i had an iphone". i had a 3g and that was a piece of **** too, the 3gs is the only one that counts in my book.... so unless you had a 3gs i dont wanna hear it. my hd2 should be wiping my 3gs all over the floor and its so not.
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The complainers just fail at life and don't know how to follow simple flashing instructions. Maybe next time you guys will research how use phone and how to perform the hacks before you sink your money into it. WM is for people that near limitless access to their phone and OS.
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I'm not one of the ones complaining about the HD2 as I even posted above how much I enjoy it.
But I am getting tired of everyone using << it's only for smart people >> as an excuse for a phone that doesn't work out of the box.
At the end of the day, no matter what you do to your phone, the speed and stability come down to the hardware and the OS. The hardware of the device is brilliant but WM simply can not take advantage of it.
I'm sure you're extremely clever and that you can tweak the OS inside out. However my argument is that you SHOULDN'T have to tweak and modify everything simply to get a phone to work.
Let's face it, the joys of the HD2 are ROM flashing, the big screen, and that's about it.
Am I the only once that sees something wrong with an iPhone 3GS being able to work flawlessly all the time, no bugs, no errors, no lockups, very fast response with a 600MHz processor while my HD2 with 1GHz can't load 50 texts in less than 10 seconds? The hardware is definitely not to blame, so Windows Mobile fans, what is?
I agree with everything OP said, but thank goodness I have my iPhone still, jailbroke on Tmobile so whenever the HD2 fustrates me I take out my sim and drop it in my iPhone. My main problems are lag, slowdown, lock ups, resets etc. This is a brillant phone but I can't help to think HTC rushed this and Microsoft isn't gonna do anything else with 6.5 because 7 is around the corner :/
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The complainers just fail at life and don't know how to follow simple flashing instructions. Maybe next time you guys will research how use phone and how to perform the hacks before you sink your money into it. WM is for people that near limitless access to their phone and OS.
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A jailbroken iPhone > a near limitless WM phone
People act like us iPhone users don't know how to use, hack a phone, lol, GTFOOH.
fastwanabe said:
i really wanted to like this phone since it came out last year but it really had let me down at every corner.
Hyperbole! EVERY corner? Does it not make calls properly?
everything is a project and most nothing works like it should.
You've just had a bad experience. Everything works perfectly for me and I would class myself as a heavy user of most apps.
Ive flashed roms installed various cab to help but windows mobile is just a piece of ****.
WM6.5 is like a woman. You have to know what to do with it, and when you do...damn it's good. iPhone OS is like one of these internet women, can be pretty but won't satisfy you in the long run.
I came from a phone that worked 99.9% of the time to a phone that i have to mod and then have to reboot 3 times a day to work 60% of the time if im lucky.
When I had a iPhone 3G I had wifi connection issues, blank screens and ended jailbreaking it so that I could have any reasonable degree of control over the device. With the HD2, I have none of the above (or the ones you talk about for that matter). Youtube is instantaneous for me on either Wifi or 3G. I ended up flashing mine so that I could have WM6.5.X with the larger buttons at the bottom of the screen.
i click on youtube.... takes forever even on wifi. i daytrade and there is not one single winmo app that can compare to the iphone app that i have for stocks....and looked for days. i use opera mobile and this ***** locks up. i use skyfire and it wont play the videos (why the **** not)that i need especially law and order. my suppose non flash iphone can play them.. sorry for any misspelling(its the keyboard)i have to battle with. now if i only can remember where i left it......my iphone that is.
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As someone said before, iPhone is for people who like simplicity and WM for people who like functionality. For me, if I wanted simplicity I would buy a Nokia 3310 not a phone that sells itself on apps (or lining S.Jobs pockets).
i've read bout all the problems the hd2 had when many ppl first bought it right after release. but honestly right now, my hd2 barely has any problems. it doesnt hang on me n i can multi task n everythin pretty smoothly, im using Dutty's ROM and it works great. nice n fast, and still stable.
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I'm not one of the ones complaining about the HD2 as I even posted above how much I enjoy it.
But I am getting tired of everyone using (it's only for smart people) as an excuse for a phone that doesn't work out of the box.
At the end of the day, no matter what you do to your phone, the speed and stability come down to the hardware and the OS. The hardware of the device is brilliant but WM simply can not take advantage of it.
I'm sure you're extremely clever and that you can tweak the OS inside out. However my argument is that you SHOULDN'T have to tweak and modify everything simply to get a phone to work.
Let's face it, the joys of the HD2 are ROM flashing, the big screen, and that's about it.
Am I the only once that sees something wrong with an iPhone 3GS being able to work flawlessly all the time, no bugs, no errors, no lockups, very fast response with a 600MHz processor while my HD2 with 1GHz can't load 50 texts in less than 10 seconds? The hardware is not to blame, so Windows Mobile fans, what is to blame? because it's definitely not the hardware...
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You are completely right.
And for the proof is - I use an HD2 with official ROM, with a few apps to make the interface have some more of the calendar on the home page.
I just used the settings interface to personalize it's behavior to my liking.
(The only thing that might be considered as "Tweak" thet I did - was some registry settings for power save)
So - the bottom line is -
The HD2 works just fine OutOfTheBox.
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So - the bottom line is -
The HD2 works just fine OutOfTheBox.
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Not true.
Are you calling us liars? Like we like to complain about a phone we payed over $400 for? Just because you haven't experienced problems doesn't mean the phone ****s diamonds. Obviously you are the minority because day after day there are new threads with numerous complaints about the phones issues.
So do us a favor, stay out of these threads or better yet, trade me phones, I would love to have your problem free, OutOfTheBox working HD2.
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Not true.
Are you calling us liars? Like we like to complain about a phone we payed over $400 for? Just because you haven't experienced problems doesn't mean the phone ****s diamonds. Obviously you are the minority because day after day there are new threads with numerous complaints about the phones issues.
So do us a favor, stay out of these threads or better yet, trade me phones, I would love to have your problem free, OutOfTheBox working HD2.
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As to what I can see - you are the one calling names here.
I would love to have a 1GB ROM device with a lot more RAM.
If you could make it work on the European network,
Im all for trading devices.
Mine works fine "OutOfTheBox"
I came from an iPhone 3Gs and have been pleasantly surprised....Is the hardware better than the iPhone 3Gs, yes. Is the OS tied as tightly to the hardware, no. Could it be, I guess we will see with Windows Phone 7 and Microsoft's requirement and enforcement of a standard reference platform on the manufacturer's. In the interim, I have C00kie's and BsB installed with no further mods. Is it perfect? For me, it's good. I may flash to another ROM for kicks sometime in the future but why fix what isn't broken? I can do every thing on this TMO HTC HD2 that I could do on my iPhone 3Gs and to top it of TMO's coverage, in my area is pretty good.
All in all, I'm pretty happy with the ability to mod when I want. Others may want their phone to work like a 'fridge...and there's a phone for that.
Alpha0ero said:
I came from an iPhone 3Gs and have been pleasantly surprised....Is the hardware better than the iPhone 3Gs, yes. Is the OS tied as tightly to the hardware, no. Could it be, I guess we will see with Windows Phone 7 and Microsoft's requirement and enforcement of a standard reference platform on the manufacturer's. In the interim, I have C00kie's and BsB installed with no further mods. Is it perfect? For me, it's good. I may flash to another ROM for kicks sometime in the future but why fix what isn't broken? I can do every thing on this TMO HTC HD2 that I could do on my iPhone 3Gs and to top it of TMO's coverage, in my area is pretty good.
All in all, I'm pretty happy with the ability to mod when I want. Others may want their phone to work like a 'fridge...and there's a phone for that.
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I have had my HD2 since it first came out in November, it can take time to actually put how bad the phone is into perspective.
There is no denying that Windows Mobile 6.5 is riddled with bugs, and from what i've heard (officially) support for 6.5 has gone down the drain because of WP7 development. This OS will not be available officially for the HD2 because the device does not meet the standards of the OS (three physical buttons).
Sure WP7 could get ported to the HD2 which people can hack and mess about with, and if this is in fact the case, I am left here repeating: IT DOES NOT WORK OUT OF THE BOX!!
iphone user please go back to your toy and stop complaining
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i really wanted to like this phone since it came out last year but it really had let me down at every corner. everything is a project and most nothing works like it should. ive flashed roms installed various cab to help but windows mobile is just a piece of ****. i came from a phone that worked 99.9% of the time to a phone that i have to mod and then have to reboot 3 times a day to work 60% of the time if im lucky. i click on youtube.... takes forever even on wifi. i daytrade and there is not one single winmo app that can compare to the iphone app that i have for stocks....and looked for days. i use opera mobile and this ***** locks up. i use skyfire and it wont play the videos (why the **** not)that i need especially law and order. my suppose non flash iphone can play them.. sorry for any misspelling(its the keyboard)i have to battle with. now if i only can remember where i left it......my iphone that is.
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go back to your toy and let the grown ups deal with a serious gadget like HD2.
I've had 33 different phones ranging from the basic ones to WM, Linux and iphone. The Iphone lasted a day with me. It is so limited that I had to scrap it. the HD2 I can flash everyday, mod it every day, tweak it, personalize it, supercharge it and so on. It never gets boring. Not to mention the hardware!!!
the crappy Iphone doesn't stand a chance.
so finally Iphone user stop winning and start your own forum!
wmfreak
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go back to your toy and let the grown ups deal with a serious gadget like HD2.
I've had 33 different phones ranging from the basic ones to WM, Linux and iphone. The Iphone lasted a day with me. It is so limited that I had to scrap it. the HD2 I can flash everyday, mod it every day, tweak it, personalize it, supercharge it and so on. It never gets boring. Not to mention the hardware!!!
the crappy Iphone doesn't stand a chance.
so finally Iphone user stop winning and start your own forum!
wmfreak
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I'd like to point out that I have never owned an iPhone
I am SO sick of some people saying that WM is only for smart people!
You've had 33 different phones? were they all so bad?
I'm glad you have so much fun spending all day changing ROMs and tweaking your phone, if it's so amazing then why are you tweaking it?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, tell us these super tweaks you have applied which make your phone so amazing.
If not, then shut up, and move on, because this forum is meant to be a sharing community where people help each other.
So I recommend YOU leave this forum all together and go find one where everyone brags about how smart they are because that's all you're doing here.
It worked fine without the tweaks...
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I have had my HD2 since it first came out in November, it can take time to actually put how bad the phone is into perspective.
There is no denying that Windows Mobile 6.5 is riddled with bugs, and from what i've heard (officially) support for 6.5 has gone down the drain because of WP7 development. This OS will not be available officially for the HD2 because the device does not meet the standards of the OS (three physical buttons).
Sure WP7 could get ported to the HD2 which people can hack and mess about with, and if this is in fact the case, I am left here repeating: IT DOES NOT WORK OUT OF THE BOX!!
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Have I discovered every nuance, issue and idiosyncrasy about the HD2/Windows Mobile 6.5 combination? No. Maybe I am just not as demanding. I applied C00kies and BsB to practice tweaking. It took me a week to realize I like to tweak, so I applied them. It was not a necessity. The phone worked Out of the box for me. This is no different than jailbreaking on an iPhone or tweaking an Android OS device.
If it doesn't work for you then so be it, move on to another phone that is less challenging for you. Say what you will but the device worked fine for MY needs out of box, period.
ive got my tm htc hd2....and i gotta say its an amazing phones in both hardware and software, however, only problem, of course, is the OS (wm6.5)...to be honest....it sux (I was using iphone) even with HTC sense wm 6.5 is disappointing....and Microsoft just announced that hd2 will not be upgradeable to wm7 which was like wt* anyways...
I heard that android platform is being developed...or it is already available.....
is it? I just wanted to discuss about updates and upgrades that are available..for this phone...for if wm7 comes out..i think wm6.5 and older versions will be like crap......so....help me out and give me some tips and current situations about this issue..
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ive got my tm htc hd2....and i gotta say its an amazing phones in both hardware and software, however, only problem, of course, is the OS (wm6.5)...to be honest....it sux (I was using iphone) even with HTC sense wm 6.5 is disappointing....and Microsoft just announced that hd2 will not be upgradeable to wm7 which was like wt* anyways...
I heard that android platform is being developed...or it is already available.....
is it? I just wanted to discuss about updates and upgrades that are available..for this phone...for if wm7 comes out..i think wm6.5 and older versions will be like crap......so....help me out and give me some tips and current situations about this issue..
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The HD2 runs WM 6.5, if you dont like it take it back. Get the nexus 1, Sprint Evo or Incredible, you have choices rather than starting another thread about how much you think WM sucks!!!
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ive got my tm htc hd2....and i gotta say its an amazing phones in both hardware and software, however, only problem, of course, is the OS (wm6.5)...to be honest....it sux (I was using iphone) even with HTC sense wm 6.5 is disappointing....and Microsoft just announced that hd2 will not be upgradeable to wm7 which was like wt* anyways...
I heard that android platform is being developed...or it is already available.....
is it? I just wanted to discuss about updates and upgrades that are available..for this phone...for if wm7 comes out..i think wm6.5 and older versions will be like crap......so....help me out and give me some tips and current situations about this issue..
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Why did you get the HD2 if you hate WinMobile? There will be phone of similar specs coming out for all the OS's soon enough. It will be a long time before there is a fully functional android port. If you can't use WinMo and be happy with it, take it back and don't bash an operating system we love and use on this forum. WinMo 6.5 is the last great open and versatile OS left... it can do more than any other mobile OS is capable of atm and it is so much more customizable. Personally, I think Iphone is crap. Barely customizable and the OS makes it look like a childs toy. Dumbed down to the point that a child can use it as a toy!
Also, a search would have answered your questions a lot quicker than starting a new post and waiting for replies... which you had to assume would be negative towards you as you are saying that WinMo is crap in a WinMo forum...
well....sorry if you thought i was just saying wm sucks but I got hd2 cuz of wm7....well...i am not saying wm is suck to the all the way end....it is true its no t good compare to android and iphone OS. so all that i am saying is this " I bought HD2 cuz WM6.5 will be upgrade to WM7 but its not confirmed, so I dont want to be stuck with dead platform of older wms...so is there any news or tweaks so i can make this much more better" I also said i am noob....(I have used 6.1...really...wasnt great experience.... so...I dont know much about the world of wm...so plz give me some tips? i guess)
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well....sorry if you thought i was just saying wm sucks but I got hd2 cuz of wm7....well...i am not saying wm is suck to the all the way end....it is true its no t good compare to android and iphone OS.
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It depends on what your uses and expectations are. In some aspects WM is inferior to iphone osx and android. In other aspects, the HD2 blows both of them out of the water.
I have an iPhone too, and for my uses, the HD2 is a far more capable phone.
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so all that i am saying is this " I bought HD2 cuz WM6.5 will be upgrade to WM7 but its not confirmed, so I dont want to be stuck with dead platform of older wms...so is there any news or tweaks so i can make this much more better" I also said i am noob....(I have used 6.1...really...wasnt great experience.... so...I dont know much about the world of wm...so plz give me some tips? i guess)
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It was confirmed that the HD2 would not be upgradable to WP7 weeks before it came to T-Mobile USA. No offense, but that was probably something you should have confirmed fully before you spent all that money.
That being said, WM is a very capable, customizable OS. I didn't like my HD2 nearly as much when I first got it as I do now. After tweaking it over the past couple of weeks, I can say with complete honesty that other than the apps, the HD2 runs laps around my iPhone. Its faster, has a better web browser, and thanks to sense, all my core functions easily accesible. No need to open a SMS app, an e-mail app, a twitter app etc etc. All those functions are laid out in front of you. The interface is also much sleeker looking and attractive overall. The iPhones interface is really showing its age.
If you want to get the most of your phone, flash the ROM. I'm using Energy ROM with cookies home tab 1.7. Its a straight-forward, easy to use ROM. The interfaced is tweaked to make it easier to use....plus its very stable...haven't had a crash since I installed it. There wasn't much else I needed to do to my HD2 after flashing to this ROM.
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well....sorry if you thought i was just saying wm sucks but I got hd2 cuz of wm7....well...i am not saying wm is suck to the all the way end....it is true its no t good compare to android and iphone OS. so all that i am saying is this " I bought HD2 cuz WM6.5 will be upgrade to WM7 but its not confirmed, so I dont want to be stuck with dead platform of older wms...so is there any news or tweaks so i can make this much more better" I also said i am noob....(I have used 6.1...really...wasnt great experience.... so...I dont know much about the world of wm...so plz give me some tips? i guess)
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The HD2 will not have an official WinPhone 7 upgrade. I'd prefer WinMo 6.5 anyways. And I think compared to android and iphone, Windows mobile is much better, more versatile, and much more powerful. I admit it's not as user friendly. You might want to return it if you don't like WM.
Return your phone, get the Nexus 1 or Evo. Or wait for the iPhone 4g.
told ya 2 every week
I think the constant bombardment of threads asking about android ports to HD2 is getting annoying but at the same time it just goes to show how much more annoying the current WM OS is. I realize all you hardcore WM fans laugh at everybody who seems to get pulled into the HD2 hype but its really disappointing for some of us who did come from a phone that was a lot simpler where we didn't have to fight with the phone just to send a text message or surf the web. I want to believe in my phone but when I'm willing to go back to the simplistic nature of the iPhone 3G (and I'm not alone), it just goes to show how much WM just isn't. Someone said that you can do more on WM then you can on the iPhone OS. True it may not be locked down near as much as the iPhone is but the iPhone has some of the best applications on any phone out in the market. And a lot of that is due to the fact that the iPhone is locked down and due to Apple's strict app approval process. Then you look at Microsoft Marketplace and its a joke. Some of the apps that are for sale (don't even get me started on that) are so old, they aren't even useful anymore. The only thing the HD2 has going for it is its powerhouse performance and the awesome mods that seem to think that the HD2 can be better.
I am not hating the HD2 or even the WM OS. I just think that if Windows looked at what Apple has done and try to improve on that, things would be a whole lot better. Everybody mods their phones. Even iPhones get jailbroken. But atleast the majority of the apps that are in Cydia are not there to fix problems that are wrong with the iPhone OS; but to improve upon it. The majority of the apps for WM devices are there to correct problems with the phones.
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I think the constant bombardment of threads asking about android ports to HD2 is getting annoying but at the same time it just goes to show how much more annoying the current WM OS is. I realize all you hardcore WM fans laugh at everybody who seems to get pulled into the HD2 hype but its really disappointing for some of us who did come from a phone that was a lot simpler where we didn't have to fight with the phone just to send a text message or surf the web. I want to believe in my phone but when I'm willing to go back to the simplistic nature of the iPhone 3G (and I'm not alone), it just goes to show how much WM just isn't. Someone said that you can do more on WM then you can on the iPhone OS. True it may not be locked down near as much as the iPhone is but the iPhone has some of the best applications on any phone out in the market. And a lot of that is due to the fact that the iPhone is locked down and due to Apple's strict app approval process. Then you look at Microsoft Marketplace and its a joke. Some of the apps that are for sale (don't even get me started on that) are so old, they aren't even useful anymore. The only thing the HD2 has going for it is its powerhouse performance and the awesome mods that seem to think that the HD2 can be better.
I am not hating the HD2 or even the WM OS. I just think that if Windows looked at what Apple has done and try to improve on that, things would be a whole lot better. Everybody mods their phones. Even iPhones get jailbroken. But atleast the majority of the apps that are in Cydia are not there to fix problems that are wrong with the iPhone OS; but to improve upon it. The majority of the apps for WM devices are there to correct problems with the phones.
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Microsoft is doing exactly what apple does with their WinPhone7. They're making it locked down and more user friendly for everyday people. I'd prefer WinMo 6.5, though. And there are lots who agree. I don't have any problems using WinMo, and can do everything with ease. I don't want Microsoft to "look at what apple has done and improve on that". WinMo is exactly the way I want it to be. If they locked it down and made it easier like apple, it would not be as functional and versatile as it is. It won't be as customizable. To gain simplicity, you'll lose versatility.I don't want that. If you want something like the iphone, get an iphone. Don't say MS should change their OS to be like apples (which actually they are doing for future releases, unfortunately). If you want something simpler, get something simpler. I wanted a new WinMobile phone, so thats why I got an HD2. Why did you get an HD2? Because of hype? There's hype about the iphone 3gs... why didn't you get that? You should still do research on a phone even if there is hype. You should choose a smartphone based on what operating system you use, just like you would a computer. You wouldn't buy a linux based computer that you didn't know how to use, would you?
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Microsoft is doing exactly what apple does with their WinPhone7. They're making it locked down and more user friendly for everyday people. I'd prefer WinMo 6.5, though. And there are lots who agree. I don't have any problems using WinMo, and can do everything with ease. I don't want Microsoft to "look at what apple has done and improve on that". WinMo is exactly the way I want it to be. If they locked it down and made it easier like apple, it would not be as functional and versatile as it is. It won't be as customizable. To gain simplicity, you'll lose versatility.I don't want that. If you want something like the iphone, get an iphone. Don't say MS should change their OS to be like apples (which actually they are doing for future releases, unfortunately). If you want something simpler, get something simpler. I wanted a new WinMobile phone, so thats why I got an HD2. Why did you get an HD2? Because of hype? There's hype about the iphone 3gs... why didn't you get that? You should still do research on a phone even if there is hype. You should choose a smartphone based on what operating system you use, just like you would a computer. You wouldn't buy a linux based computer that you didn't know how to use, would you?
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actually I traded the iphone 3gs 32gb for my hd2. and yes I did check out all the reviews and video comparisons that you tube and engadget had to offer. iphone killer? hardly. hardware specs yes but it's like taking a Bugati and replacing the software that runs it with that of a ford taurus. and you can't blame HTC as the hardware is working just fine. you say your phone is working just fine but for every person that saying their phone is fine, there are 5 threads stating otherwise. you can have winmo however you like it, I just want my phone to work out of the box without having to reboot it 3 times a day.
And it's pretty sad that HTC has to create a mask to cover winmo's looks. It's like me putting a mask over my girlfriend's face because I'm too embarrassed to be around her. what is the point of marrying a product with an operating system if even the manufacturer is embarrassed for users to see it?
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actually I traded the iphone 3gs 32gb for my hd2. and yes I did check out all the reviews and video comparisons that you tube and engadget had to offer. iphone killer? hardly. hardware specs yes but it's like taking a Bugati and replacing the software that runs it with that of a ford taurus. and you can't blame HTC as the hardware is working just fine. you say your phone is working just fine but for every person that saying their phone is fine, there are 5 threads stating otherwise. you can have winmo however you like it, I just want my phone to work out of the box without having to reboot it 3 times a day.
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People usually only post when there's problems. You don't find most people posting that there phone works fine and has no problems. For every 5 threads of people complaining, theres probably hundreds of happy users. And what are you talking about iphone killer? Its a completely different kind of phone and os for completely different types of users. If you were an iphone user, why did you trade it for the HD2? Why don't you go back to iphone if you don't like WinMo?
HD2 will get Android, make no mistake about it, the community will make it happen. The real issue here is when it will get it.
If you got the phone to put Android on it right now, then it's not the phone for your. If you got it because you wanted an Android phone with the best specs, then by the time Android is running perfectly on the device there'll be better, faster phones.
I got it because I wanted Android on it, but I want to get Android on it myself. I got it as a sort of hobby because now I'll be able to tweak, and turn, and customize, and part of my customization goals is to get Android to load and maybe use it as my daily OS.
But, in the mean time (and I think this is where we're on different situations), I know that the device is a WinMo device, and knowing so has also picked my interest to learn how to work/customize WinMo and make it into something I'll enjoy. That's what XDA is all about. It's sort of the way it was for me when I first used a linux distro. I wanted to rip the hairs off of my head and would be frustrated at how much work it took to do some things I took for granted in Windows. But after working with it for some time, and knowing how it was different, and learning how to use it, now there are tasks that I do in linux that I just can't find myself doing in Windows, so I have both loaded on my computer.
Take the time to work with WinMo, understand that it's different. Only then you'll start seeing how different can mean better in different areas.
Don't get me wrong now, I didn't get this phone to try and find a Android port or WP7 port. I actually traded it because I already know everything there is to know about the iPhone and it was starting to bore me. I wanted to find a phone that would get my tech juices flowing; atleast until the iPhone HD comes. I saw this phone and from all standpoints it looked like and for the most part is still a really nice piece of technology. When I first saw the phone up front I called it Edward's phone cuz the screen sparkles in the sunlight. I think HTC did as good of a job as they could trying to hide as much WM as they could. Some reviews said you have to dwelve pretty deep into the phone to get to WM but I found that to be untrue. Why do I still have it? Because I still have an iPhone 3G and feel like if I give up on the HD2 now, I will never see the full potential of this phone. The 3G is not as fast as my 3GS or even the HD2 but in a world of simpler is better, the iPhone just fits. So for right now my HD2 is my secondary phone when my iPhone battery dies.
But taking out the stock MicroSD card really does help. I really think there should be a some sort of recall on those SD cards if that many people are having issues with them.
hmmmm thx for the information....I just found out about flashing the phones with other roms....did not know i could do that with my hd2
well that being known i guess i could get the most out of my hd2
And i do totally agree that iphone does not come near my hd2 in many aspects
just have to tweaked it to my ways...
any advice of available roms? for my tm hd? and also...where can I get GPS software like tomtom, garmin, igo or copilot? where can I purchase/download them?
I have said it once and Ill say it again.
I did buy my Hd2 in hopes that android would be ported.
BUt over all I am happy with my decision to buy it.
Some people forget that its easy just to say go buy this phone or that phone.
but Some people dont have service with those companies or have had bad experiences'
I love my hd2 but i can admit when I see more Dev's working on Iphone apps.
Android suffers from that same fate. But they are gaining more and more.
I have had my hd2 since the US lauch. The first few days were fustrating. Its gotten easy as I have found roms that make it perform so much better.
One thing I have also learned is .. We techies are the minority. Phones are not designed with us in mind. Phones are designed with the majority in mind .
Yes the Iphone is dumb down. No one cares how it works aslong as it works.
Once we get use to that everything will be gravey.
being An original Iphone user for more than 2 years I can honestly say it gets old after a while.
Ill stick with my Hd2
I cant really say this enough but windows mobile and S60 to me are the only Operating systems that never bow down to the apple trend. Sure S60 and windows mobile were the last ones to get pinch to zoom and capacitive touch screen and people might say oh look their following android and apple. but in all reality s60 and windows mobile innovated the market for what it is now. who came out with the email and PDA system back in the day people would drool to have that windows did! who came out with the crazy camera and media power house N95 s60 did. compare to what android and apple are innovating comes wayyyyy short what windows mobile and s60 have done.
Well I don't have to open a new thread now I'll just kinda change this one...I really want this phone cause well it's an awesome phone but the thing that has held me back has been the OS. I owned and still have a tilt and I loved that phone til the screen cracked so I moved on and tried out a G1 and I hated it but after playing with it for a while and the customization of the phone and the growth of the market I love android now and can't see myself goin back now I have a MT3G so it's been almost a year and I wanna upgrade again. Ok my point is I've googled HD2 with android to see if it had been accomplished yet sadly no but I found a lot of results saying that T-MO will have an OTA android update for the HD2 later this summer. Idk how true this is but a number of ppl in the t-mo forums have discussed this saying that tmo reps have told them this will happen to compete with the Evo. It will supposedly dual boot I guess you'll have an option of which os u wanna run...Any thoughts how likely is or is it just BS imo I think it's to good to be true lol
Im just gonna say this no matter how far we get booting android it will never be as good as an android device unless its flashed to it if you buy a windows mobile device is because you like it not for what ever hacks come out. its like those people that buy hondas and toyotas and turn them too look like an audi or a ferrari or a bentley you buy a device because your happy for what it is not for what you can turn it into. what happen if xda developers banish everyone its going to throw their android and windows to the trash??? first be happy with what you have then be happy what you can do
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Well I don't have to open a new thread now I'll just kinda change this one...I really want this phone cause well it's an awesome phone but the thing that has held me back has been the OS. I owned and still have a tilt and I loved that phone til the screen cracked so I moved on and tried out a G1 and I hated it but after playing with it for a while and the customization of the phone and the growth of the market I love android now and can't see myself goin back now I have a MT3G so it's been almost a year and I wanna upgrade again. Ok my point is I've googled HD2 with android to see if it had been accomplished yet sadly no but I found a lot of results saying that T-MO will have an OTA android update for the HD2 later this summer. Idk how true this is but a number of ppl in the t-mo forums have discussed this saying that tmo reps have told them this will happen to compete with the Evo. It will supposedly dual boot I guess you'll have an option of which os u wanna run...Any thoughts how likely is or is it just BS imo I think it's to good to be true lol
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I can pretty much guarantee that that is bs. They are not gonna have an official update to put android on the hd2. It's a WinMo phone... they don't just update phones with different OS's.
Like a lot of people on the forum, their HD2 has caused them a lot of headaches and problems. After waiting patiently from the Euro launch of this phone, my anticipation for this phone was at all time high, more so when I got my 2G iPhone. After I got it, lots of problems like phone slowdown, lag, freezing, SMS/Message App slowdown, lag and freezing. Weather tab freezing, Music player slowdown or skipping (.mp3 skip? What? lol). Data stop working, disconnecting or won't auto connect. Camera lag or slowdown, Email problems, delete email but they come back, or can't send emails. Sleep/Lock of death, phone won't wake up. Phone resets it's self on it's own and I can go on, lol.
I've done everything people have told me do here. I've kill all task, soft reset, hard reset 5x, taken the battery out, taken the memory card out etc. The only thing I haven't done (and will not do) is flash my ROM. The one thing I notice is, if I run "Today" instead of "Sense UI" the phone works fine, so that means Sense UI is buggy. I've contacted T-mobile and HTC, most recently HTC, I've talk to three different people and finally we are getting somewhere.
Here are the last 3 emails out of a total 11 emails I got back from HTC:
Hello Michael,
Thank you for your responses to our questions.
Thanks to your responses, I was able to work with our headquarters on this behavior with your device.
We are investigating this issue with your phone freezing. Since you notice this behavior with HTC Sense enabled, we will likely have to update the software for the HD2. I cannot provide a timeframe for an update, but I can tell you where to look for updates. T-Mobile hosts the updates for their Windows Mobile phones at www.t-mobile.com/wmupgrade.
I hope that we have addressed your question in detail.
Thank you again,
Ryan
HTC Technical Support
www.htc.com/us
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Hello Michael,
Thank you for your response.
The freezing issue is to be helped with a ROM update as soon as possible. Our ROM updates for T-Mobile phones are hosted by T-Mobile as soon as they are available.
If you still need further response, feel free to let me know what your concern is.
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Hello Michael,
Thank you for your response.
You do not have to apologize to me. I understand how frustrating it is when your device freezes. I hope that the update will be out soon. There are many factors that go into finalizing an update between T-Mobile and HTC, so it may feel like it is taking a while. I do know that from HTC’s US headquarters that we are hard at work to address this issue.
Thank you,
Ryan
HTC Technical Support
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Members, please, contact HTC by using this link HTC Customer Service, fill out the quick information and send it, and PRESS THE ISSUE that your phone is having terrible problems. I have link them to this forum and they are READING the threads here but it's more apparent if you keep contacting them, get the message out so they can get an update out ASAP.
are we really having this much trouble with our phones? I mean I understand that sense ui is laggy at times.. but if I remember to kill all my running tasks, its not that bad..
I have had a big problem with 3g connectivity but im not tech in a 3g area... but I go from h to 3g to g in the same spots my g1 has 3g.. I called and told tmo..
I mean granted this isn't a rooted android device but this is a good wm phone.. nearly everything I expected...
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Why not?
There are roms that are nearly identical to stock, with just bug-fixes--which seems exactly like what you want.
That's overkill. If I had to do all of that to my phone. I would have gotten rid of it already. The only real problem I had was my phone would not stay on 3G and my wifes phone is always on it.
I'm getting a replacement though.
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Why not?
There are roms that are nearly identical to stock, with just bug-fixes--which seems exactly like what you want.
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It voids your warranty and if you for some odd reason when you wake up some day within the next year and your phone doesn't turn on, and you send it back for a new one, and they find that you have a custom ROM on it, you'll have to pay full price for a new one. It's simply not worth it in my eyes to put on a custom ROM that voids the warranty of a 550 dollar phone to see Sense UI move a little bit smoother.
no one
No ones going to do anything if you dont complain, they'll just say that they dont have records of complaints and its not a known issue. so they cant do anything about it.
i just sent a message
The only real problems I have with tmobile is their bad coverage areas and even though they have bad coverage areas, their coverage areas are exaggerated. It says I should have web coverage in my area, but when I try to place an order for a plan they tell me that cant do it because there is no service in my area. That and I could only half hear the person on the phone because I could hear a bunch of idiots in the back ground not doing their jobs and some god awful singing. And I have to order a new sim card because they said that my sim number must have been an accidentaly reissued number because its already in use.
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It voids your warranty and if you for some odd reason when you wake up some day within the next year and your phone doesn't turn on, and you send it back for a new one, and they find that you have a custom ROM on it, you'll have to pay full price for a new one. It's simply not worth it in my eyes to put on a custom ROM that voids the warranty of a 550 dollar phone to see Sense UI move a little bit smoother.
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Took the words out of my mouth.
I just sent a message, after this device might never buy a HTC phone ever again.
I don't know why anyone who's apprehensive to flashing ROMS is even here.
No offense, but this whole forum is built around flashing ROMS. It's one thing if you don't want to go that route, but getting on your high-horse and telling people its a bad idea to flash roms because it voids your warranty is a little much.
Most of the people here understand the risks involved with flashing roms, and anyone who really knows what they're doing knows that the risk is minimal, and that except for extreme cases (and stupidity), a phone can be brought back to stock if needed. Unless you flashed the wrong rom and bricked your device, the only reason you wouldn't be able to bring it back to stock is hardware malfunction due to physical damange...and in most cases, those aren't covered by warranty.
Most people here also know the benefits of flashing ROMS and modifying the UI to make it work, and aren't holding their breaths for a fix from HTC or T-Mobile. Most people here bought the HD2 expecting the stock ROM to suck, and knew that the only way to get it working at the level of their expectations is to flash a custom ROM. If waiting for a fix from HTC or T-Mobile is the route you want to go, then hit up the t-mobile forum, because honestly, the problems a lot of you are facing on the stock ROM, don't exist on custom ROMS. The chefs here will always be 5 steps ahead of T-Mobile and HTC.
It's not just about sense running smoother....its correcting innate problems in WM6.5 and sense that can make the device a pain in the ass to use. Its about making the OS and UI more accessible, capable, and above all, less prone to crashes and more stable!
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I don't know why anyone who's apprehensive to flashing ROMS is even here.
No offense, but this whole forum is built around flashing ROMS. It's one thing if you don't want to go that route, but getting on your high-horse and telling people its a bad idea to flash roms because it voids your warranty is a little much.
Most of the people here understand the risks involved with flashing roms, and anyone who really knows what they're doing knows that the risk is minimal, and that except for extreme cases (and stupidity), a phone can be brought back to stock if needed. Unless you flashed the wrong rom and bricked your device, the only reason you wouldn't be able to bring it back to stock is hardware malfunction due to physical damange...and in most cases, those aren't covered by warranty.
Most people here also know the benefits of flashing ROMS and modifying the UI to make it work, and aren't holding their breaths for a fix from HTC or T-Mobile. Most people here bought the HD2 expecting the stock ROM to suck, and knew that the only way to get it working at the level of their expectations is to flash a custom ROM. If waiting for a fix from HTC or T-Mobile is the route you want to go, then hit up the t-mobile forum, because honestly, the problems a lot of you are facing on the stock ROM, don't exist on custom ROMS. The chefs here will always be 5 steps ahead of T-Mobile and HTC.
It's not just about sense running smoother....its correcting innate problems in WM6.5 and sense that can make the device a pain in the ass to use. Its about making the OS and UI more accessible, capable, and above all, less prone to crashes and more stable!
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It's almost as if the OP was attempting a very elaborate troll. The site is called "xda-developers", not "xda-lovers".
If you are looking to mod your device within the so-called "safe" limits that HTC and T-Mobile force upon you, maybe you would be better off hanging out over at freewareppc, instead of a modding forum.
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It's almost as if the OP was attempting a very elaborate troll. The site is called "xda-developers", not "xda-lovers".
If you are looking to mod your device within the so-called "safe" limits that HTC and T-Mobile force upon you, maybe you would be better off hanging out over at freewareppc, instead of a modding forum.
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I can tell you that I had many of those problems and after flashing a custom rom, I've fixed my HD2 almost to perfection, not only the way it looks but stability. Only problem I keep having is 3G connection problems, and by the looks of it, its not the device anymore, seems more like T-mobile's service.
I agree with both perspectives.
I flashed my phone the second day I had it. I'm new to WinMo and was a little nervous, but now I flash weekly (would be daily, but I don't want to become an addict... ) Flashing is night and day from stock and I would never go back (unless it was warranty related).
That being said, I agree with compaining to HTC and T-MO. If there are enough people complaining, then more work will be done to fix those problem, which will lead to better/more frequent updates for the chefs to work with. That way, it's win win. I love HTC devices, they are the best, but when I accidentally dial someone, and it takes me 10 seconds to get to where I can hang up because of lag on a device that technically qualifies to run Windows XP.... That seems unacceptable to me.
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I agree with both perspectives.
I flashed my phone the second day I had it. I'm new to WinMo and was a little nervous, but now I flash weekly (would be daily, but I don't want to become an addict... ) Flashing is night and day from stock and I would never go back (unless it was warranty related).
That being said, I agree with compaining to HTC and T-MO. If there are enough people complaining, then more work will be done to fix those problem, which will lead to better/more frequent updates for the chefs to work with. That way, it's win win. I love HTC devices, they are the best, but when I accidentally dial someone, and it takes me 10 seconds to get to where I can hang up because of lag on a device that technically qualifies to run Windows XP.... That seems unacceptable to me.
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In a perfect world, a company like HTC would hear their customer's cries and devote all of their resources and attention to releasing regular updates. In the real world, HTC has released 4 phones after the HD2, and lined-up several others...they aren't interested in developing for the HD2 anymore. People have been complaining to HTC about the HD2 since it was released in Europe back in November....and they still haven't really addressed most of the concerns.
Most of the 'problems' people complain about are innate characteristics of windows mobile....You see people complaing because their phones lag or crash because they don't manage task manager, but that's an innate characteristic of a multi-tasking OS! On the other side of the fence, you have MS getting bashed for getting rid of multi-tasking in WP7...you have people bashing the iPhone for years over its lack of multi-tasking....and when they come up with a quasi-multi tasking solution, they get bashed for it not being 'true' multi-tasking!
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In a perfect world, a company like HTC would hear their customer's cries and devote all of their resources and attention to releasing regular updates. In the real world, HTC has released 4 phones after the HD2, and lined-up several others...they aren't interested in developing for the HD2 anymore. People have been complaining to HTC about the HD2 since it was released in Europe back in November....and they still haven't really addressed most of the concerns.
Most of the 'problems' people complain about are innate characteristics of windows mobile....You see people complaing because their phones lag or crash because they don't manage task manager, but that's an innate characteristic of a multi-tasking OS! On the other side of the fence, you have MS getting bashed for getting rid of multi-tasking in WP7...you have people bashing the iPhone for years over its lack of multi-tasking....and when they come up with a quasi-multi tasking solution, they get bashed for it not being 'true' multi-tasking!
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Ha! It's so true My wife has a myTouch and she complained that the battery life on it sucked and I said that all smartphones get worse battery life than the dumbphones she was use to. Well, one night she said that she understood that batterlife was worse on smartphones, but having to recharge your phone 2-3 times a day was getting rediculous along with the horrible unresponsiveness. Finally I took a look to see what was up, and I guess I must have forgotten to explain "task management" with her, as she had every application on the phone open and running at the same time! Poor phone took a pretty decent beating the first couple of weeks she had it
But back on topic, if HTC releases an update to its Sense UI for WinMo, it should benefit all users of Sense UI (WinMo) reguardless of what phone it's running on. So even if there are newer models, updates should work on older models. That's at least what happened with my Pioneer Navigation system. There were lots of complains about things not working (even a few posts like this on a forum) and that summer they released a newer model that used the same software so our models got the upgrade too. I'm not saying it was a "Windows 7 moment" but I do like to think that our nagging helped.
I'm all for complaining to companies if it means that they produce better quality products. If we just sit around and accept it, then QoS will go down. There must be some formula where the cost of developement is compared to the cost of responding to complaints. When complaints go up, the other adjusts itself accordingly to maximize profit. Lower complains, less developement until complaints go back up! That kind of thing.
Just my 2 cents. But over all, I'm quite happy with kumar's work. If I were still on stock, I'd be upset too.
This is what pisses me off about the whole issue... we ALL know what this site is about. Regardless, NO ONE should HAVE to flash a damn rom to get a phone to function like it should out of the box...especially when you have people that are spending $400+ for it. That's just plain pathetic, bs and I just couldnt go for it which was why I simply returned mine and got my money back. Flashing is cool, but not everyone comes here for new roms... some people come for software, tweaks or to figure out how to do other things.
Telling someone that they SHOULD just flash a rom and deal with it.. even though roms are nice lets just be real, almost every single one of them has SOME kind of bugs with it. That's one of the main reason I stopped doing the flash dance and chose to stick with the stock rom to begin with. But when you buy the phone and it already has bugs, YES people have the right to complain about it and want the issue resolved. That's about as dumb as buying a Mercedes with a blown header and saying.. well you should just put aftermarket headers on it anyways. Should the car just WORK when you buy it? And if it doesnt work.. you take it back and get it serviced or another car.
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Ha! It's so true My wife has a myTouch and she complained that the battery life on it sucked and I said that all smartphones get worse battery life than the dumbphones she was use to. Well, one night she said that she understood that batterlife was worse on smartphones, but having to recharge your phone 2-3 times a day was getting rediculous along with the horrible unresponsiveness. Finally I took a look to see what was up, and I guess I must have forgotten to explain "task management" with her, as she had every application on the phone open and running at the same time! Poor phone took a pretty decent beating the first couple of weeks she had it
But back on topic, if HTC releases an update to its Sense UI for WinMo, it should benefit all users of Sense UI (WinMo) reguardless of what phone it's running on. So even if there are newer models, updates should work on older models. That's at least what happened with my Pioneer Navigation system. There were lots of complains about things not working (even a few posts like this on a forum) and that summer they released a newer model that used the same software so our models got the upgrade too. I'm not saying it was a "Windows 7 moment" but I do like to think that our nagging helped.
I'm all for complaining to companies if it means that they produce better quality products. If we just sit around and accept it, then QoS will go down. There must be some formula where the cost of developement is compared to the cost of responding to complaints. When complaints go up, the other adjusts itself accordingly to maximize profit. Lower complains, less developement until complaints go back up! That kind of thing.
Just my 2 cents. But over all, I'm quite happy with kumar's work. If I were still on stock, I'd be upset too.
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That would probably be true if HTC were releasing more windows mobile based phones and updating sense for new models, but windows mobile is at the literal end of its product life cycle, and development has come to a hault. We've already seen sense updates for Android, but most of those probably won't make it to windows mobile.
Unless it becomes a public relations nightmare for HTC, I don't see them springing to the service of HD2 users....cost is the biggest reason. They've already sold us an HD2, and they've moved onto releasing several models to replace the HD2. Continuing to develop for it will do nothing to generate more revenue for them. HTC's market-share is growing significantly by constantly pushing the hardware bar higher every few months.
I dont think these people who flash roms understand that, a phone shouldnt have so many ****in issues. It should work properly, and their is no word on whether or not T-mobile/HTC are working on an update..This completely B.S for a phone to have so many issues..I've had a dash,iphone, BB 97000 no problems..
Raadius said:
Like a lot of people on the forum, their HD2 has caused them a lot of headaches and problems. After waiting patiently from the Euro launch of this phone, my anticipation for this phone was at all time high, more so when I got my 2G iPhone. After I got it, lots of problems like phone slowdown, lag, freezing, SMS/Message App slowdown, lag and freezing. Weather tab freezing, Music player slowdown or skipping (.mp3 skip? What? lol). Data stop working, disconnecting or won't auto connect. Camera lag or slowdown, Email problems, delete email but they come back, or can't send emails. Sleep/Lock of death, phone won't wake up. Phone resets it's self on it's own and I can go on, lol.
I've done everything people have told me do here. I've kill all task, soft reset, hard reset 5x, taken the battery out, taken the memory card out etc. The only thing I haven't done (and will not do) is flash my ROM. The one thing I notice is, if I run "Today" instead of "Sense UI" the phone works fine, so that means Sense UI is buggy. I've contacted T-mobile and HTC, most recently HTC, I've talk to three different people and finally we are getting somewhere.
If your device has so much problems im sure it's a faulty one why not replace it under warranty??
Mine working perfectly out of box (i wonder where's the lagging was) i dont flash my rom, if it aint broken why fix it? i just do some tweaks that's all
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because i dont want a refurbished phone. I seriously think i'm done with HTC and anything they add to a phone. I will never buy a phone with Sense U.I on android only ones that dont have it. Also why cant they keep us posted on an update. Its kind of B.S that they release a phone but stop making updates or wont make any because Windows Mobile is dead.. Thats like M.S not updating XP or Vista anymore because Windows 7 is out. People bought this phone a month ago so its ****in new in the U.S and their should be updates being handed out..If not HTC i hope they fail as a company and prob will in the future. Creative destruction new companies come and old ones die just like Palm.
The hd2 is probably by far one of the most perfect windows mobile phones out there, I've had soo many before it and they were rubbish in terms of performance.
but, the quirkiest problems are really destroying my joy with this phone. I can't seem to get all the apps to work with multiple languages. I can't seem to get a decent battery life when I'm travelling, now I have an extra battery and a heavy Duracell battery pack.
Great camera, yet it's still having the same problems I've had since the beginning of wm phones (slow with low light conditions) and no 720p video recording. There are no decent applications for the life of me. (I've been ruined by that from the iphone)
I hate how WM7 looks, with no skinning allowed, I'm pretty positive I don't want colored boxes to be my home screen. Also the fact that it's receiving less and less support from developers everyday, it simply isn't catching up to anyone anytime soon. (I have the feeling it's going to be delayed, because of the kin disaster)
I'm thinking I'll be selling this phone in approximately 2 months. I'll sell it here if anyone would like it.
Thinking of getting the new Galaxy S series phone, best hardware around with a mature (but not ancient) operating system.
Note: I'm currently in the middle east thats why it seems I've posted this early, it's 3:45pm over here.
ehhhhh,,,, everyone wants something different in a phone. Personally I thought the tmo roms were rubish. I loaded some custom roms and like almost all my problems went away immediately. Not sure about other languages because I'm pretty stupid and can't even speak 1 properly. Support I wouldn't worry about. Yes many people are jumping ship and going to android development but we still have some of the best guys still working with WM. Also a reason we don't have the devs staying with wm is many of the programs are final and work perfect. Why make a 28th wm music player? Android is great and all but I don't see it as great as everyone says. Yes its fast and optimized but its almost a cross between WM and iOS. After every thing I heard about android I was quite surprised when my friends got them and had them locking up and glitching as much if not more then a wimo phone. I almost bought one till my coworker bought an incredible and basically killed his battery in 2 hours listening to pandora, then had to pull the battery after he checked his tweets. I also feel once WP7 comes out it will renew interest in coding for WM. I feel we will see the same stuff we saw in vista and XP where the coders took the best features of Vista and added them to the stable XP OS. I'm hoping we will get the cool WP7 roms and they can whip out the spatula's and blenders and get to work on a frankenstien super os.
The ROMs have saved this phone, but as an Android fanatic, the apps, and ease of discovery/installation of apps has ruined me.
I've got my phone posted and I'm hunting for someone with a Nexus One thats willing to trade with me adding some cash.
I'm not giving this phone away because hardware wise HD2>>>>>>>iphone/nexus one, etc. But if I can't get Android soon I'll be dropping this phone.
But thanks for all the help guys! Its because of this phones quirky issues I discovered this site! lol
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The ROMs have saved this phone, but as an Android fanatic, the apps, and ease of discovery/installation of apps has ruined me.
I've got my phone posted and I'm hunting for someone with a Nexus One thats willing to trade with me adding some cash.
I'm not giving this phone away because hardware wise HD2>>>>>>>iphone/nexus one, etc. But if I can't get Android soon I'll be dropping this phone.
But thanks for all the help guys! Its because of this phones quirky issues I discovered this site! lol
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you know there are android roms out there for the hd2 right? granted, they BARELY WORK, but in a couple of months, we may be looking at a full blown army of HD2's running android
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ehhhhh,,,, everyone wants something different in a phone. Support I wouldn't worry about. Yes many people are jumping ship and going to android development but we still have some of the best guys still working with WM.
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I want a better phone, that's definitely what everybody wants. Not a half-a$$ed phone that goes for the same price as a phone that has god-like script that allows unlimited multitasking with no loss of battery or memory
I feel WMP7 is following the suit of the iphone, having a very limited way to customize, and having people to jailbreak it if they want the full potential of the phone, chasing update after update and looking for compatibility and cracks... that's why i left the iphone... (I had 2g but my family has a 3g and a 3gs)
I feel the android is king right now because it allows enough customization for developers to mess around with, and has great functionality out of the box without having to chase down problems.
Our family consists of 4 HD2s, and 2 iphones. I regret purchasing the hd2s since they have brought me more trouble than ever, my mother asking me about navigation while my brother and father require language packs THAT DOESN'T WORK.
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Also a reason we don't have the devs staying with wm is many of the programs are final and work perfect. Why make a 28th wm music player?
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Well, wm6.5 for example, no decent games, no decent applications MADE FOR IT SPECIFICALLY. Before, I thought backwards compatibility is a positive, I'm quickly realizing that it's the worst negative. Companies are getting lazy by creating something thats made for a wm2003 but compatible up to WM 6.5.... how is that even possible? At least upgrade the graphics for newer phones.
HTC is even embarrassed by wm6.5, they skinned everything from top to bottom.
HD2 was dead on arrival in my book, it packs a punch in hardware, yet it will be obsolete within months.
I'm sorry if I sound like I'm trying to burn anyone here, I really appreciate the work everyone has done. I donated money and time testing, commenting and helping.
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I want a better phone, that's definitely what everybody wants. Not a half-a$$ed phone that goes for the same price as a phone that has god-like script that allows unlimited multitasking with no loss of battery or memory
I feel WMP7 is following the suit of the iphone, having a very limited way to customize, and having people to jailbreak it if they want the full potential of the phone, chasing update after update and looking for compatibility and cracks... that's why i left the iphone... (I had 2g but my family has a 3g and a 3gs)
I feel the android is king right now because it allows enough customization for developers to mess around with, and has great functionality out of the box without having to chase down problems.
Our family consists of 4 HD2s, and 2 iphones. I regret purchasing the hd2s since they have brought me more trouble than ever, my mother asking me about navigation while my brother and father require language packs THAT DOESN'T WORK.
Well, wm6.5 for example, no decent games, no decent applications MADE FOR IT SPECIFICALLY. Before, I thought backwards compatibility is a positive, I'm quickly realizing that it's the worst negative. Companies are getting lazy by creating something thats made for a wm2003 but compatible up to WM 6.5.... how is that even possible? At least upgrade the graphics for newer phones.
HTC is even embarrassed by wm6.5, they skinned everything from top to bottom.
HD2 was dead on arrival in my book, it packs a punch in hardware, yet it will be obsolete within months.
I'm sorry if I sound like I'm trying to burn anyone here, I really appreciate the work everyone has done. I donated money and time testing, commenting and helping.
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Using custom ROMs, the hd2 is superior to the iphone 3gs or Droid in my experience. i have only used those two other phones to compare.
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Using custom ROMs, the hd2 is superior to the iphone 3gs or Droid in my experience. i have only used those two other phones to compare.
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While I agree the phone is superior, the apps/ or lack of apps for this phone and its ****ty OS are going to be the death of it.
Even with the custom ROMs, I still have quirks like dropping 3G coverage, text messages coming in out of order, apps crashing, occasional restart (admittedly rare with the custom ROMs)
I have spent HOURS just to get this phone to do what it should do out of the box. And now that its finally working great, I discover it was pretty much in vain because I can't even fill cookie's home tabs with apps that I want and would use.
I think it really just comes down to WM is not as user friendly as Android or iphone. They have basically taken the computer out of the phone and made it super easy for anyone to install anything. I don't know what you guys are talking about with android phones and battery life. All the android phones I've seen running HD2 specs kill the battery in half the time of the HD2. I see it everyday at work when I'm the only one with a phone at the end of the shift. Now about your 3G issues that sounds like your carrier or location issues. I'm rock solid (H) 24/7 365. Take into account how android going to be when they get upwards of 500 phones on the market and glitches and bugs. WM runs on thousands of phones with minimal bugs. Android from what I've seen has about the same amount of bugs but with many fewer phones. iPhones do tend to be less or non glitchy because they only support 4 phones, much like their PC's. I think if you take the time to properly hook your HD2 up and learn a bit more about these new gen phones you'll be happy. You need to search out WM apps, but there are literally tons of them out there to do anything you could imagine.Most of these new inovation droid and iOS are claiming to invent have been on WM for ages. Please please please try out Kumars rom, experiment with a couple different tmo radio's for your area, and keep track of what is setting of your bugs. Usually you just need to change one program or setting and it fixes itself.
Going on like 16 days without a reboot! Yeeehaw. My tab slider does have a touch of lag though now but I'm gonnna hold out and see how long I can run it without a reboot.
One more thing, people with preformance issues have found replacing the SD card with a fast one works wonders. I haven't tried it yet but I am gonna toss a 8giger I have lying around in it to check it out.
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While I agree the phone is superior, the apps/ or lack of apps for this phone and its ****ty OS are going to be the death of it.
Even with the custom ROMs, I still have quirks like dropping 3G coverage, text messages coming in out of order, apps crashing, occasional restart (admittedly rare with the custom ROMs)
I have spent HOURS just to get this phone to do what it should do out of the box. And now that its finally working great, I discover it was pretty much in vain because I can't even fill cookie's home tabs with apps that I want and would use.
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How many apps do you want? How many apps do you need?
I have about 500 apps in my WinMo download folder and about 50 on my phone, don't use a third of them ...
Shear number of apps do not make them better .. Now I am not bashing the Android, it is a good platform, but the "Appstore" argument is so Iphone-ish.
I am not going to try and "Talk You Into", keeping your HD2 it is your phone you need a phone you can use, if the HD2 is not for you then it is not, BUT it is not a ****ty OS, that might be your opinion, but for the people that use WinMo on a daily basis and want the power of and flexibility of the WinMo OS it works great for them.
Android, simple interface, great, fast , fairly stable, locked down, big brother back door, MUST have gmail account to activate the phone, so that "Big Brother" can access your phone remotely.
WinMo, More complicated interface more like a portable PC than a Phone, customizable right down to the OS by the user, no external account needed, no "big brother" install apps you want and not have them removed, as of June 2010 Microsoft still has a 90.18 market share of PC's, so WinMo is directly compatible with 90.18% of the PC's in the market.
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How many apps do you want? How many apps do you need?
I have about 500 apps in my WinMo download folder and about 50 on my phone, don't use a third of them ...
Shear number of apps do not make them better .. Now I am not bashing the Android, it is a good platform, but the "Appstore" argument is so Iphone-ish.
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Apps like "fring", yeah we have that app... from 2005. Tt doesn't have video conferencing... that's a major feature missing.
It's as simple as that, we have the same apps, but they are outdated and lack many features that we'rent possible before.
How is the "appstore" argument so "Iphone-ish" thats the worst argument I ever heard. It's soo much more superior than what we have now.
You sound like a person that steals applications more than he buys... 500 apps, yeah and you bought them? I highly doubt you bought 5. App stores are a godsend for developers, they make a decent amount of money and it protects their investments, encouraging them to create more applications. That's why the app store is so successful. You're only complaining since you've barely bought any apps for the PC or your PPC, so you find the app store "iphone-ish" w.e that means.
I admit I'm being too harsh for no reason, and I also admit I don't usually buy them, but for decent applications I do happily purchase.
These are the only decent applications I use often, but I wish there was more, and I wish the prices were more reasonable, 30$ for an app? are you serious? The prices for the ppc applications are overblown. Spending over 100$ on applications on a phone is a little ridiculous. I haven't spent that amount on applications for my laptop.
- Handy Safe Pro (bought it twice, for different phones)
- SPB Traveller
- SPB TV
- SPB Backup (Fantastic application)
- SPB Wallet (Waste of time and money)
- Office Mobile (Hell no I didn't buy it, can't believe they actually started charging for it)
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Android, simple interface, great, fast , fairly stable, locked down, big brother back door, MUST have gmail account to activate the phone, so that "Big Brother" can access your phone remotely.
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That's another poor argument, "Big Brother" or google is already pretty much in your life. Why do you think the google advertisements are all about websites related to what you search for or websites you visited in the past.
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WinMo, More complicated interface more like a portable PC than a Phone, customizable right down to the OS by the user, no external account needed, no "big brother" install apps you want and not have them removed, as of June 2010 Microsoft still has a 90.18 market share of PC's, so WinMo is directly compatible with 90.18% of the PC's in the market.
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Has anyone complained about "google remotely removing apps" I'm sure google has other reasons why it has that capability, apple and palm have it too... and guess what? wmp7 is going to have it as well. The future is less and less private, this is something we will have to deal with, it's not some evil conspiracy.
Google is compatible with 100% of the computers since it doesn't even need one, so what are you getting at?
sell it, buy android phone
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So....
How much do you want for your crappy phone? Let me know. I might know of someone you can pwn it off on. they would love you long time.
2 months and it's theirs
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I'm pretty stupid and can't even speak 1 properly.
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I love how some people hate the HD2 and others love it. It's funny to hear people's stories, because it seems almost random, the chances of you having an HD2 that works flawlessly or doesn't work at all...
I came from the rooted G1 and I love this phone. Rooting android and flashing custom ROM's became nothing but a headache for me. My phone would never work right and every time I flashed a new ROM (with dozens of "flashed ROM, it's FLYING, fastest ever!!!" replies in the threads getting me all hyped up) phone would run smoothly for maybe a day but after that nothing but hang's, random reboots, f/c's, etc...
With my HD2, it's been the opposite: OS runs smoothly, I can pretty much do what I want (except for stable flash support in Opera, for some reason that still alludes people...none of those opera builds with flash support ran as well as stock opera and fixoperaflash is all buggy..very irritating) and I don't have to continually reboot or wipe the phone.
Yet I read people's comments that talk about how the phone is virtually a big paperweight right out of the box...go figure...
tresanus said:
sell it, buy android phone
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Well, since my stock HD2 has had none of the problems this person mentioned and has actually been a very good phone why sell it? Obviously, there is a variable here that is not common with all HD2's, so why give up so easily?
Wait till you get your new one, use the stock 2.13 and see how that goes. If you still can't stand it, then try cooked ROM, and if you still can't stomach the site of that 4.3" screen, then go ahead and sell it...
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Metallic-Force said:
I want a better phone, that's definitely what everybody wants. Not a half-a$$ed phone that goes for the same price as a phone that has god-like script that allows unlimited multitasking with no loss of battery or memory....Well, wm6.5 for example, no decent games, no decent applications MADE FOR IT SPECIFICALLY. Before, I thought backwards compatibility is a positive, I'm quickly realizing that it's the worst negative. Companies are getting lazy by creating something thats made for a wm2003 but compatible up to WM 6.5.... how is that even possible? At least upgrade the graphics for newer phones.
HTC is even embarrassed by wm6.5, they skinned everything from top to bottom.
HD2 was dead on arrival in my book, it packs a punch in hardware, yet it will be obsolete within months.
I'm sorry if I sound like I'm trying to burn anyone here, I really appreciate the work everyone has done. I donated money and time testing, commenting and helping.
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I can definitely agree with Metallic-Force on most of his arguments. Even though this phone can do just about anything and everything, and even though it can run smoothly with custom ROMS, and even though it has awesome hardware......I just still can't look past the fact that the apps for this phone looks like absolute crap. Not only are there limited apps made for the HD2 specifically, but most of the apps that we can get for this phone (via marketplace, omarket, or warez) looks like the sh*tiest graphics I've ever seen on a mobile phone. I wish HTC would skin all the apps available for this phone as well as they did for the OS. I'm not even talking about the "crazy 3d" games that rock on this phone (cause I don't care for them), I'm talking about simple apps or games like Pandora or Moorhun. Microsoft or HTC needs to invest more money into the devolopers if they have to to make this OS more appealing app-wise. That way we can all finally say how great it is to own a WM phone.
OK, done venting.
Stable Android.
See post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=729495
I don't see whee you guys are getting android phones are so bullet proof. Everyone I've seen has reset problems and lock up problems. Thats just gonna keep getting worse as they release new phone after new phone. Personally on wimo I can't live without.
1. PSX emulator,
2. Core Player,
3. Mortplayer
4. Hava Player
5. PDF reader
6. Wifi Router
7. GPS weather Radar
and lots more. When iphone or android can run a 2gb divx with AAC audio without charging $20 for an app call me. Till then its wimo.
lol... I'm going be receiving my hd2 this week, and your ditching it. It's funny, but android isn't that awesome the people make it out to be. That's why I'm going back to windows mobile ( windows phone).
Anyway, good luck.