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Sorry for my noobness but what actual difference is there between the two UI? is it just the way it looks? if so I could just theme it right?
I'm just looking for something that is stable for everyday use I was mainly looking at Super D because it has some pretty good feedback on the stability, but if sense is that much better i might as well get cursor or something
Donut is version 1.6 of the stock android build. Sense is HTC's modified user interface which runs on top of stock android builds. i.e. you can have sense ui running on a donut build (or cupcake, eclair, etc.) Sense is basically jut a replacement for the stock Android UI, whereas Donut is version 1.6 of the stock Android UI.
Basically it just comes down to what UI you prefer to use. If you want a really solid, stable UI that doesn't use Sense then I would recommend Cyanogen Mod. Cursorsense is great if you're after a solid, stable Sense UI rom - the only issue is that you will have to flash your radio and SPL in order to run it and if you're new to the game I wouldnt reccommend playing with that just yet Look for a Sense UI that says it can run on the 'Old Radio' and give that a try to see if you prefer it to the Stock android UI.
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that nearly all Sense UI roms are running on Android 1.5.
So, it's either donut Android UI or cupcake Sense UI.
With the exception of some Tattoo roms (Sense on Donut).
I like sense ui, it's a lot smoother in my opinion. Unfortunately I don't like 7 screens, cupcake, and it's harder for me to theme the rosie. I like personally like Donut more. But if you're just looking for everyday use, I agree with theo ther guy. I'd use CyanogenMod for Donut (SuperD isn't bad either), and Cursorsense for SenseUI. SenseUI moves from screen to screen so much more smooth and if you like The Rosie thing, then I think you'll love senseui(I hate it lol)
Firstly let me just as I give a MASSIVE congratulations to the guys in #g2root for all their hard work in achieving permanent root. I'm not going to lie, I thought Christmas time was an achievable target when it came to breaking the eMMC lockdown on the G2 and DHD but to do it in early November? (applause)
Anyway, my Black Ops addiction forces me to keep this short and sweet, as time is of the essence and I must earn some COD Points before work!
My question is, when we start seeing custom ROMs, will you be sticking with Sense or moving to an AOSP ROM? I'm interested in your reasons and also wondering whether there are any users who were fans of AOSP (Stock Android) and have been converted by the new and improved HTC Sense 'experience'?
Things to consider are speed, functionality, looks etc.
I'll weigh in with my opinion later on.
Please don't start flaming each other and turn this into some kind of epic fight between the OS and it's illegitimate shell UI of a child!
They both have pro's and con's.
Regards.
I much prefer stock android. Sense is nice, but i just don't really like the look of the dock (even though you can change it). Stock android with the transparent dock at the bottom, and all fancy animations for opening/closing apps, keyboard sliding up etc just looks awesome!
Also gingerbread im sure will probably have more eye candy, but again HTC might cut these from their roms. So i'll be sticking with stock. Cyanogen maybe..
No I couldnt get to grips with sense it looks really flash, but maybe it's because i came from the Magic that the system overhead of running all the ui effects worries me, so I have disabled it all and am waiting on Cyanogen
What counts more?
To me its not the UI that counts but the android version, in other words if i had a choice of CM 6.1 or my current sense rom id go for sense. Don't get me wrong CM is amazing but both being 2.2 id rather take the extra functionality, looks and ease of use of the new Sense roms than an AOSP build. However if i had the choice of CM 7.0 (ie gingerbread) or sticking with sense 2.2 i would move over to AOSP without a second thought!
After coming from the Hero and the amazing FroydVillain 1.5. I cannot wait for Hacre to start cooking ROMs for the DHD. So my choice is firmly in the AOSP camp.
Unless a custom rom offers something i dont have ill stick with sense. I like it graphically and much prefer htcs widgets.
Only phone ive loaded custom roms on before was my htc hero but that was because it fixed a message notification problem.
So far ive no issues with my DHD so see no reason at the moment for a custom rom.
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To me its not the UI that counts but the android version, in other words if i had a choice of CM 6.1 or my current sense rom id go for sense. Don't get me wrong CM is amazing but both being 2.2 id rather take the extra functionality, looks and ease of use of the new Sense roms than an AOSP build. However if i had the choice of CM 7.0 (ie gingerbread) or sticking with sense 2.2 i would move over to AOSP without a second thought!
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Sorry, surely Cyanogen adds functionality, or did I miss something? Yes you'll lose the SENSE skin but I'd be surprised if any real functionality is lost
i prefer aosp clean roms,i always used to have aosp cooked roms on my ex-desire and looking forward for aosp roms on dhd
Bring the AOSP roms on !!!
Yes..
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Sorry, surely Cyanogen adds functionality, or did I miss something? Yes you'll lose the SENSE skin but I'd be surprised if any real functionality is lost
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Im fully aware of the benefits of CM but being mostly a business user the utility i gain from sense is far greater than on AOSP, however the geek in me just cannot live with not having the latest and greatest OS. Simple as that.
Given the choice of a same version Sense UI and a CM ROM I'd likely stick with the Sense UI version. There is a lot more integration than normal flavour ROMs offer and it's one of the reasons HTC have been praised. Small touches like basic Facebore and Twatter integration without needing an app specific to them is nice, as it the browsing of Facebork photo albums as if they're on your device.
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Sorry, surely Cyanogen adds functionality, or did I miss something? Yes you'll lose the SENSE skin but I'd be surprised if any real functionality is lost
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It depends on what you call real functionality. As I just said above I love the extra touches that Sense UI has such as the Facebork photo albums, cross-account linking with updates from social networks in their contact profile on your phone and for me the best implementation of copy and paste outside of iOS. It's basic things, not massively important but those touches are missing from stock Android.
skimminstones said:
Unless a custom rom offers something i dont have ill stick with sense. I like it graphically and much prefer htcs widgets.
So far ive no issues with my DHD so see no reason at the moment for a custom rom.
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me too, i completely agree
I'm really torn between HTC Sense & AOSP. There are positive things for both, as this phone was supplied with android 2.1 and HTC Sense. So for me my first introduction to android was via the Sense UI so once I had rooted the phone and applied s-off I was keen to see what was difference for the user interface (ease of use) and to compare the battery life etc. I'm currently using cyanogen nightly builds, and I'm most impressed with its performance, I do miss some of the HTC widgets, but I get by! now for me my comparison between the two is like comparing kde vs gnome!
Currently my preference is with AOSP, but only by a slim margin as to some degree Sense is (for first time use) easier, but is quite taxing on CPU...
so there's my 2 cents worth!
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AOSP !!!
I dont use any Sense widgets. I prefer the speed in a Senseless ROM
I prefer Sense ROM most of the time.. i will try to play around with AOSP once in a while but when a higher version of android is out but still no official sense rom is out yet, AOSP is a must.. this applies to Gingerbread and higher xD
How about that sense browser with the translate feature on long press, can't get that anywhere but sense, and LPP has similar widgets
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I'll be sticking with Sense, at least for a while anyway (until I get bored!).
It's nice to have something that just works. Coming from WM6.5 it's such a breath of fresh air to just have a phone that does what it's supposed to when you want it to.
I have a Kaiser flashed with CM6 and a Rhodium with AOSP if I ever want to play with that, but right now I just want a seamless environment, and Sense seems to provide that for me quite nicely.
Sense without any doubt!! The only setting I would choose AOSP is if Gingerbread comes out before an official Htc rom with Sense, as said by many. That would be the only scenario I would choose that, and then decide what to do if/when Htc comes to the upper Android version too. I really feel good with Sense, love it!
I'llstick to the first Sense rom "without all the Sense crap" I will see. Why?
The sense phone dialer is unbeatable, so useful! I don't need the clock, Fancy widget takes care of this. I don't need the news and weather stuff and all Sense crap, but because of the dialer, the contacts management AND the music interaface, it's worth having. In the Desire Android development thread, there was 1 rom like this, but I stuck with a AOSP rom because it was better. This sense rom was ok, but still, too many crap in it. The AOSP was ok, but with an update almost everyday, I could merely keep up. So I gave up and sold my Desire. Now I'm back again on the Android scene, let's see what it brings.
BIG THANKS AND RESPECT TO THE G2 TEAM WHO MADE A DESIRE COME TRUE!!!
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dazultra2000 said:
I'll be sticking with Sense, at least for a while anyway (until I get bored!).
It's nice to have something that just works.
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yep, i agree, im not bored with it yet and it works - no reason to change
When I started using Android on my HD2, I hated stock android builds and was huge fan of Sense Builds.
However after using it all (Stock Desire, Desire HD ROMS) and trying out stock Android builds...i've started to like stock android/CM much more...
Even though HTC has done a great job and sense has the best out of the box experience, but with few additional softwares, widgets Launcher Pro and Dialer2...stock android is just as functional as sense and feels much more smoother/faster too...Animations also seems much more elegant..
What you guys think?
Also I don't know what CM7 gives over stock Gingerbread, stock builds are just as much functional and feels more light too?
my 1st try on android was shubcraft, very simple but later its annoy me of launcher pro unintend 'widget resize' reminder to get full purchase. Then, Iv try the Nexus base which has bland milky white menubar which make me boring. So I skip to Desire and Evo base rom. I think Im liking to use more because Sense is is very usefull with instant result widget like, message and people widgets, so handy without necessary open main program
But once getting to Desire HD, its like full of colors while other build stay sorta black and white. But I do like to MIUI and Gingerbread too, better than before
which one do u prefer and why?
My favorite is sense, it has everything I need and it just looks the best, whether it's mysense(stock) of normal sense. I like all the widgets it has compared to vanilla android, but the speed impact is defiantly worth the UI. To me appearance is slightly more important to me than other features on android, but honeycomb looks sweet though. 3D sense is extra cool too-it as some minor changes that make it worth it. CM is nice too dont get me wrong, it has high level customization compared to other types of roms, you can change so many features.
P.S. When you say stock do you mean stock MT4g rom or vanilla android?
If it's looks then CM7. I can make it look exactly like Sense in every regard if I want to or customize anything(dialer, notification bar, boot screen, dock icons, etc). The extra is that the speed of CM7 blows away the speed of Sense. I've had many friends at work that have now rooted their phone after comparing the speed of my phone when compared to their stock Sense Mytouch 4G....it's not even close.
Negatives are: Sense camera/video app are much better, data speeds drop some, Dialer/contacts is better on Sense, and I miss the calendar widget.
mysense 3.0 because of the dock bar, too bad no one makes a properly working one.
kalel33 said:
and I miss the calendar widget.
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i currently have sense 3.0 (vie evil Dees virtuous fusion) and CM7 installed on my mytouch, im not sure which to use as my daily driver, sense 3.0 is super cool and i love the lockscreen features but it uses SOO much ram, cm7 is also duper customizable and saves a butt load of battery life. just need some advice, thanks in advance
I ran iced glacier and royal glacier as they were very stable. But now I'm running faux's AOSP Tom and its my favorite so far. Everything works and its super stable.
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If you like asop nothings faster than Royal Ginger.
It's totally up to your preference. And it shouldn't be affected by RAM consumption - I can't remember how many times it was already said, let Android manage the RAM and stop looking at a number that won't give you absolutely anything, because you don't understand how Android RAM management works.
Personally, I believe Sense got it much better than pure AOSP/CM Android.
AOSP drawbacks:
Dialer is awful (can be fixed by DialerOne, but it's not a proper integration and has annoying quirks + slowness).
Mail is absolutely awful, and Exchange integration is generally bad (you can't pull phone contacts from corporate directory, for example).
Lockscreen isn't very functional (even CM-customized version isn't as useful as Sense 3.0 one, and definitely not as pretty).
Default widgets suck, and LauncherPro Plus costs money.
Probably forgot another couple of things - haven't been using AOSP for a LONG time.
But - there are people that these points don't matter for them, and they prefer the stock feeling. If you're one of them - then go for CM7. Choice is wonderful.
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It's totally up to your preference. And it shouldn't be affected by RAM consumption - I can't remember how many times it was already said, let Android manage the RAM and stop looking at a number that won't give you absolutely anything, because you don't understand how Android RAM management works.
Personally, I believe Sense got it much better than pure AOSP/CM Android.
AOSP drawbacks:
Dialer is awful (can be fixed by DialerOne, but it's not a proper integration and has annoying quirks + slowness).
Mail is absolutely awful, and Exchange integration is generally bad (you can't pull phone contacts from corporate directory, for example).
Lockscreen isn't very functional (even CM-customized version isn't as useful as Sense 3.0 one, and definitely not as pretty).
Default widgets suck, and LauncherPro Plus costs money.
Probably forgot another couple of things - haven't been using AOSP for a LONG time.
But - there are people that these points don't matter for them, and they prefer the stock feeling. If you're one of them - then go for CM7. Choice is wonderful.
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some facts are true here but SENSE compared to CM/AOSP on speed, CM IS WAY FASTER....
bstylz911 said:
some facts are true here but SENSE compared to CM/AOSP on speed, CM IS WAY FASTER....
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No, not really.
When you open Dialer One on CM vs opening Sense dialer, the last one loads equally fast, but has all the pictures in place, and everything flows - while on Dialer One it doesn't.
The same with mail. And you can even zoom in/out in mail on Sense. Try that on CM.
The Sense launcher swipes just fine, and there's no custom launcher that can execute the 7 screen preview like the Sense launcher - when the zoom out is controlled completely by your fingers, and not by launcher presets.
When you open the app, the normal opening delay is insignificant on both.
So, where exactly CM is faster? In benchmarks? I could't care less about the meaningless numbers.
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No, not really.
When you open Dialer One on CM vs opening Sense dialer, the last one loads equally fast, but has all the pictures in place, and everything flows - while on Dialer One it doesn't.
The same with mail.
The launcher swipes fine, and there's no custom launcher that can execute the 7 screen preview like the Sense launcher - when the zoom out is controlled completely by your fingers, and not by launcher presets.
When you open the app, the normal opening delay is insignificant on both.
So, where exactly CM is faster? In benchmarks? I could't care less about the meaningless numbers.
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opening settings, programs it loads faster.
No, it doesn't. And where it does - I'm willing to pay the extra 1/10 second of loading for the quality of user experience.
This whole "CM/AOSP is faster" thing needs to be put in perspective.
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No, it doesn't. And where it does - I'm willing to pay the extra 1/10 second of loading for the quality of user experience.
This whole "CM/AOSP is faster" thing needs to be put in perspective.
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and also, my phone would get laggy when using sense ROYAL PANACHE making me reboot my phone sometimes. and yes i have advance task manager to close my apps.
only thing i like about SENSE is the CAMERA.
Blame your task manager, the apps, the ROM. Sense has nothing to do with quirks that come as a result of porting ROMs with Sense from other phones. My wife runs almost original Sense, my friends run original Sense on their phones, not even one complains about lags. More, I'm not even sure my wife knows how to reboot her phone - I don't think she ever did.
And I didn't even start talking about CM bugs. Till 7.0.2 it was a disaster. I originally switched to Sense on Nexus because I wanted cut&paste, but didn't want the load of bugs that came with Gingerbread, and I was already frustrated by CM7 that had me rebooting more than once a day.
So, as I said earlier, choice is bliss. You can run CM/AOSP, I'll run Sense, someone will run MySense, and we'll all be happy. Just don't try to convince that your choice is the best - each has its pros and cons.