I just realized that according to what Google has already laid out, the HTC Desire Z with its 800 MHz processor doesn't meet the minimum specs standard to upgrade to Android 3.0 aka Gingerbread (at least not "officially") becaue the minimum requird spec is 1 GHz !!
I hope xda-devs comes up with a solution (overclocking ?? hybrid port ??)
because I love the form factor and the fact the Desire Z is HTC and has the latest sense UI
I'm very concerned... I don't want to invest on a phone that will become obsolete that fast !! (gingerbread is scheduled for december-january)
What do you guys think about this ??
The dark side (Droid 2 world edition) is tempting me...
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gtrab said:
I just realized that according to what Google has already laid out, the HTC Desire Z with its 800 MHz processor doesn't meet the minimum specs standard to upgrade to Android 3.0 aka Gingerbread (at least not "officially") becaue the minimum requird spec is 1 GHz !!
I hope xda-devs comes up with a solution (overclocking ?? hybrid port ??)
because I love the form factor and the fact the Desire Z is HTC and has the latest sense UI
I'm very concerned... I don't want to invest on a phone that will become obsolete that fast !! (gingerbread is scheduled for december-january)
What do you guys think about this ??
The dark side (Droid 2 world edition) is tempting me...
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For one you are in America right? So you can't get the Desire Z anyway, you can get the G2 though.
And secondly, this crap about Gingerbread requiring a 1Ghz processor to run was a rumour that Google debunked ages ago so please just get over it and wait like the rest of us to find out what exactly is happening with Gingerbread.
And in anycase the D2 World Edition is almost identical to the Desire Z/G2 anyway. HTC have the new CPU and GPU on these where as the D2 has the new CPU and same old GPU as the original so really they seem on par if this was your case for choosing that so you 'will definitely get Gingerbread'
gtrab said:
I just realized that according to what Google has already laid out, the HTC Desire Z with its 800 MHz processor doesn't meet the minimum specs standard to upgrade to Android 3.0 aka Gingerbread (at least not "officially") becaue the minimum requird spec is 1 GHz !!
I hope xda-devs comes up with a solution (overclocking ?? hybrid port ??)
because I love the form factor and the fact the Desire Z is HTC and has the latest sense UI
I'm very concerned... I don't want to invest on a phone that will become obsolete that fast !! (gingerbread is scheduled for december-january)
What do you guys think about this ??
The dark side (Droid 2 world edition) is tempting me...
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Besides, The Moto Droid 1 for example can OC to 1.2GHz the G2 should be fine
StuRoid said:
For one you are in America right? So you can't get the Desire Z anyway, you can get the G2 though.
And secondly, this crap about Gingerbread requiring a 1Ghz processor to run was a rumour that Google debunked ages ago so please just get over it and wait like the rest of us to find out what exactly is happening with Gingerbread.
And in anycase the D2 World Edition is almost identical to the Desire Z/G2 anyway. HTC have the new CPU and GPU on these where as the D2 has the new CPU and same old GPU as the original so really they seem on par if this was your case for choosing that so you 'will definitely get Gingerbread'
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I find your response very emotional, hey I obviously prefer an HTC device over a Moto one, but the upgradeability is very important for me. I need facts.
Regarding the american bands, pdadb says there's an US version Desire Z scheduled for december
If those google requirements have been 'debunked', I'd appreciate if you can share some links/quotations from trusted sources
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I find your response very emotional, hey I obviously prefer an HTC device over a Moto one, but the upgradeability is very important for me. I need facts.
Regarding the american bands, pdadb says there's an US version Desire Z scheduled for december
If those google requirements have been 'debunked', I'd appreciate if you can share some links/quotations from trusted sources
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I'm guessing the reason he seems "Emotional" is because this same post keeps popping up again and again on every forum, and it seems people will keep churning them out with no end in sight. The rumor is based on a tweet. There are tons of articles about this. (I haven't posted allot to this forum so can't actually post links, but just google for it.)
If you want to see the original statements by googles team you can search twitter for it. We have no reason to assume Desire Z wouldn't get a 3.0 update, if devices like Desire would. And at any rate, the Qualcomm 7230 (Which is the chip in use) is designed to run between 800 and 1000mhz.
The guys designing these devices aren't stupid. They wouldn't release a device (indeed a premier device) if it's going to go obsolete or at least behind within 6 months. Yes, droid devices are constantly moving forward but certainly not that fast. Just don't worry about this kinda stuff.
Thth are recommend specs the g2 will be plenty fast enough
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The 800Mhz proc from the Desire Z is a Dual-Core processor, so, it's better than the 1Ghz proc from my good old HTC Desire ! I think it has the requirements for Gingerbread !
PS: Andy 3.0 isn't GingerBread
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The 800Mhz proc from the Desire Z is a Dual-Core processor, so, it's better than the 1Ghz proc from my good old HTC Desire
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dual proccesor not dual-core. dual as in the cpu and gpu are separate.
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dual proccesor not dual-core. dual as in the cpu and gpu are separate.
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Interresting.. Qustion is, if this 'slower' dual cpu, then will be faster, than the single CPU, with intergrated graphics, but higher mhz?
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Interresting.. Qustion is, if this 'slower' dual cpu, then will be faster, than the single CPU, with intergrated graphics, but higher mhz?
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Of course it will.. But mostly it will depend on operation. You can never compare a first 1 generation cpu with later generation by just looking at cpu frequency.
Any link to that supposedly "debunked" minimum hardware reqs ??
I'm lookinig for some confidence on this matter.
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is there anything else coming to the market with a qwerty hook up and touch screen?
Im over winmo and want to try an android phone.
Right now i have TP2 and b4 that i had Touch HD
Does Simbian suck?
I need something that i can use when i go to the UK as well, so like Droid X and all that stuff doesnt work for me.
I like this new HTC but everyone talking about 1ghz and dual processors and how its gonna be slow and no front facing cam blah blah blah makes me think twice, or three times even.
Frankly I think the front-facing camera thing is a bit of a white elephant at the moment. I've had one on my phone for about three years now (Win Mo) and I've never used it once. OK that may change as networks get faster, but I see no real need for one now.
Andre
johseph said:
is there anything else coming to the market with a qwerty hook up and touch screen?
Im over winmo and want to try an android phone.
Right now i have TP2 and b4 that i had Touch HD
Does Simbian suck?
I need something that i can use when i go to the UK as well, so like Droid X and all that stuff doesnt work for me.
I like this new HTC but everyone talking about 1ghz and dual processors and how its gonna be slow and no front facing cam blah blah blah makes me think twice, or three times even.
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There's that Verizon phone that's been floating around recently that had the fire red keyboard. if I'm not mistaken from one of the pics it's a dual mode and has a sim slot though to be honest you will likely pay a huge premium using that or any other phone like t outside the states.
Think it's either a 3.8" or 4" screen.
johseph said:
is there anything else coming to the market with a qwerty hook up and touch screen?
Im over winmo and want to try an android phone.
Right now i have TP2 and b4 that i had Touch HD
Does Simbian suck?
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I am looking to jump from Symbian to Android but am stuck due to the hardware. You might like to consider the Nokia E7 but it's anyone's guess as to when it might actually see the light of day. As an example, the N8 announced six months ago has still not gone on sale yet!
Symbian is functional but I'm afraid that's about all I can say about it from a user perspective. It doesn't have the developer support of the likes of Android and iOS. The point in its favour is the hardware is generally better - better cameras better audio and often better build quality.
Swings and roundabouts I'm afraid ... always the case!
Desire Z using second generation of Qualcomms Snapdragon, as i write in other post, read this:
My opinion : Desire Z is faster .. and do you know why?
So..
Desire HD using Qualcomm QSD8255 -> it is Snapdragon 1st generation
specifications:
Scorpion 1 GHz CPU
Integrated 3G mobile broadband connectivity
QSD8250 supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks
QSD8650 supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks
Low-power 65nm process technology
High-definition (720p) video recording and playback up to 30 frames per second
Multiple video codecs: (MPEG-4, H.264, H.263, VC-1, Sorenson Spark, VP6)
GPU - 3D graphics with up to 22M triangles/sec and 133M 3D pixels/sec
High-resolution up to WXGA (1280x720) display support
12-megapixel camera support
Built-in seventh-generation gps engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
Support for Android™, Brew® Mobile Platform and Windows® Phone
Bud Desire Z using Qualcomm MSM7230 -> Snapdragon 2nd generation
Specifications:
Scorpion 800 MHz CPU (can be safely overclocked to 1GHz = Recommanded Maximum )
Integrated 3G mobile broadband connectivity
MSM7230 support for HSPA+ networks - up to 14 Mbps downloads and 5.76 Mbps uploads
MSM7630 support for HSPA+ networks - up to 14.4 Mbps downloads and 15.761 Mbps uploads – as well as CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel A/B, GSM, GPRS and EDGE
Low-power 45nm process technology for higher integration and performance
High-definition (720p) video recording and playback up to 30 frames per second
Multiple video codecs: (MPEG-4, H.264, H.263, VC-1, DivX, DivX 3.11, Sorenson Spark, VP6)
High-performance GPU - up to 41M triangles/sec and 245M 3D pixels/sec and dedicated 3D/2D acceleration engines for Open GLES 2.0 and Open VG 1.1 acceleration
High-resolution XGA (1024x768) display support
12-megapixel camera support
Built-in eighth-generation gps engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
Support for Android™, Brew® Mobile Platform and Windows® Phone
So Desire Z have:
CPU on 800MHz .. but not problem go to 1GHz = Same as Desire HD
GPU 2 x better then Desire HD GPU = +1 to Desire Z
45nm technology - Desire HD have 65nm technology = +1 to Desire Z
So in SoC category is Desire Z better then Desire HD.
Regards, MiTMaN
PS: Repair me please when Im wrong.
nice contrib MiTMaNeK
that GPU thing is particularily interesting
thanks for sharing
Here's the Doird2/Milestone2's 1GHz OMAP 3620 specs
source
-Clock 1000 MHz
-45 nm
-ARM Cortex A8
-IVA 2+ harware accelerator (up to 4x multimedia performance vs previous OMAPs), Multi-standard (MPEG-4, H.264) encode/decode and WMV9 decode at D1 (720 x 480 pixels) at 30 fps - Up to 720p HD res
- PowerVR SGX 530 graphics core (from Imagination Technologies) dedicated 2D/3D graphics hardware accelerator - Support for OpenGL ES 1.1, Open GL ES 2.0, OpenVG
- Image signal processor supporting up to 12 megapixel
- Composite and S-video TV output
- up to WXGA (1280 x 800), 16-million color (24-bit definition) display support
- Linux, Microsoft Windows Mobile, Android Mobile Platform and Symbian
I couldn't find triangles/sec stuff for this one
Note also that this new GPU/CPU combo chip is different to the Snapdragon found in earlier HTC Androids. It is likely that 800MHz on this new chip bears similar performance to 1GHz on another chip.
This is very similar to comparing Intel and AMD CPUs on the desktop. Because different processor designs have varying Instructions-Per-Clock, you can't make a simple comparison between clock frequencies.
The other thing to note is that a major complaint with smart phones (and Android in particular) is terrible battery life when comparing them to feature phones. I'd be happy with a lower maximum clock if it meant longer times between charges.
i think Desire HD using 2nd Generation Snapdragon 1GHz processor which is call Qualcomm QSD825 Scorpion.
So, the Desire HD will should have better performance than Desire Z.
But Desire Z should have better performance than Desire(1st generation snapdragon).
You may check the CPU details at Qualcomm website.
just wondering which one is the best in terms of performance.!
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Snapdragon is a CPU not gpu.and it depends on model.for example aderno220 is said to be so powerful but 200is outdated
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PowerVR SGX540 > All in terms of single core phones. And I mean all.
And it's fitted in our dear Galaxy S Hummingbird chipset.
ToonXW said:
PowerVR SGX540 > All in terms of single core phones. And I mean all.
And it's fitted in our dear Galaxy S Hummingbird chipset.
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Agree.
Not snapdragon maybe you can change it to Tegra.
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Lol snapdragon and adreno are two parts of the same processor...
adreno=gpu
that like me comparing apples with oranges and grapes ...
Sorry I don't hve much knowledge about mobile processors.!
My bad...
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is it possible to know what kind of PowerVR GPUs installed on my device? SGX 530, 535 or 540? anybody knows a special app to analyze that ?
Sure it is possible. Simply search on gsmarena.com for your phone or download one of the thousand system info apps like this one.
Do you guys think the NovaThor would be good?
aR_ChRiS said:
Do you guys think the NovaThor would be good?
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I know a bit about the GPU.. it looks epic.
The cpu i'm not 100% sure of.
But i doubt they ignored that part.
Usually the gpu get ignored, so it's looking good for the NovaThor
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Sure it is possible. Simply search on gsmarena.com for your phone or download one of the thousand system info apps like .
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i got many of them, the most advanced one only shows OpenGL ver or the GPU type (powerVR , Adreno or ...) but never the details such as SGX 530, 535 ,...
on gsmarena find the phone you want to know about, find out the cpu, then google it.. for example google "msm8255 gpu" and you get hundreds of results telling you its the adreno 205..
anarchyuk said:
on gsmarena find the phone you want to know about, find out the cpu, then google it.. for example google "msm8255 gpu" and you get hundreds of results telling you its the adreno 205..
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I have a MSI Windpad 10", it runs android 2.3.1 (not rootable until now) i bought it from malaysia as a common product but after that i found out it's a discontinued series and there's no int. guarantee for it. what i finally found about that is here:
[General]
Model Name: MSI Windpad Enjoy 10
Network: None
Launched: Q2 2011
Colors Available: Black
Weight: 795 g
[Hardware]
Display Type: TFT type, 256k colors display
Display Size: 10″ inch
Display Resolution: 1024 x 768 Pixels
CPU: ARM Cortex A8, 1GHz processor
GPS: Yes (Optional)
Special Features: Accelerometer Sensor, Ambient Light sensor, Vibration min-HDMI
[Camera]
Photo: 2 MP, 1632×1224 pixels
Video Recording: Yes
Others: Secondary 2 MP Front Camera
[Media]
Audio Player: Yes, AAC, AMR-NB/WB, MP3, WMA, WAV, OGG
Video Player: Yes, File Type – 3gp, mp4/ Formats Supported – H.263, H.264 AVC, MPEG-4 SP
Radio: No
Features: Speakerphone, 3.5 mm audio jack
[Memory]
Internal Memory: 512 MB DDR3 RAM, 4 GB Storage
Memory Expandable: Yes, up to 32 GB (microSD)
[Battery]
Type: Standard battery, Li-Ion 4000mAh
Stand-by Time: Up to 200 h
Full Usage Time: Up to 4 – 5 h
[Connectivity]
GPRS/EDGE: No/No
3G: No
WLAN/Wi-Fi: Yes, 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth: Yes, v2.1 with A2DP profile
USB: Yes V2.0 (Type–miniUSB)
[Software]
Operating System: Android OS v2.3.1 (Gingerbread)
Applications/Organizers: Alarm, Calendar, Calculator, Notes, Google Maps, Latitude, Places, Adobe Flash 10.1
Java: J2ME support can be provided via third-party-application such as the J2ME MIDP Runner.
Web Browser: Yes, Wap, HTML, xHTML Rendering
Games: Yes
E-Mail: Email with Push notifications, Gmail, MS Exchange Active Sync
If so, what are the benefits of openGL 3.0?
thanks
No exynos variant doesn't support opengl 3.0
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Jason2k13 said:
If so, what are the benefits of openGL 3.0?
thanks
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i9500 Doesn't have full support for openGL ES 3.0, but supports few features of it.
i9505 Has full support.
what are the advantage of having openGL 3.0 support? can you see the difference? does this mean the snapdragon is much better than the exynos version?
Jason2k13 said:
what are the advantage of having openGL 3.0 support? can you see the difference? does this mean the snapdragon is much better than the exynos version?
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Read this:
The OpenGL ES 3.0 specification was publicly released in August 2012. OpenGL ES 3.0 is backwards compatible with OpenGL ES 2.0, enabling applications to incrementally add new visual features to applications.
New functionality in the OpenGL ES 3.0 specification includes:
-multiple enhancements to the rendering pipeline to enable acceleration of advanced visual effects including: occlusion queries, transform feedback, instanced rendering and support for four or more rendering targets,
-high quality ETC2 / EAC texture compression as a standard feature, eliminating the need for a different set of textures for each platform,
-a new version of the GLSL ES shading language with full support for integer and 32-bit floating point operations;
-greatly enhanced texturing functionality including guaranteed support for floating point textures, 3D textures, depth textures, vertex textures, NPOT textures, R/RG textures, immutable textures, 2D array textures, swizzles, LOD and mip level clamps, seamless cube maps and sampler objects,
-an extensive set of required, explicitly sized texture and render-buffer formats, reducing implementation variability and making it much easier to write portable applications.
Hello, i own the Sony xperia z mobile phone. I want to know how many cores or processors the GPU of the phone employs.
As far as i know, the phone has an Adreno 320 Graphics Processing Unit clocked at 400Mhz.
Also i think there are many version of the adreno 320 video chip but some people tell me there is only one.
So i would like more information about the GPU. I also want to know the amount of video ram or video memory or VRAM the graphics chip on this device has to store video memory or pixels/memory for images.
I know that some phones can use the RAM for storing images like a buffer or a cache memory instead of their own video memory using NOP tecchnology.
I know what vram is for. Its like ram but it holds the pictures or pixels info for the pictures the gpu is processing like the hard drive.
However, VRAM is used instead of ram or hard drive to make information processing faster.
So ram was made to store settings and temp data of programs so that they can have faster access.
So just like that there is vram and it may also be on the same chip of the GPU for the adreno 320 video chip.
So, basically i must know the amount of graphics cores or processor the GPU uses and also the amount of video memory it uses to store all of it's graphics or images.
Do you know the scalibility of this gpu and the max frame rate of the gpu. Also does it support open gl 3.0?
Thank you
Adreno 320 inside the Qualcomm S4 Pro & Prime Series,
with unified shader architecture and dual channel
memory. It supports Direct3D feature level 9_3 in
addition to OpenGL ES 3.0, OpenGL ES 2.0, OpenGL ES
1.1, OpenVG 1.1, EGL 1.4, Direct3D Mobile, SVGT 1.2
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