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Android on HTC HD2

I am really getting tired of WM 6.5 and the in persistence / buggy experience... Just wanted to know if anyone is working on a port of android 1.6 or 2.0? And is it even possible to port given that it uses 800x480 and not 854x480 like the droid?
I would also be happy to try other non-android alternatives, if any exist? (and how about handling the danish dictionary or symbols(æøå) with alternative roms?)

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578575

What are you finding so buggy? What what on earth is an "in persistence experience"? :s

Its called the HTC Passion.. basically..
and it absolutely is going to be released....I have that first hand from my contact at Google who has actually handled the device.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/gadgetreviews/?p=9541

Since all these unaware journalists have found a new hobby in bashing WinMo, everyone seems to get the "I am done with this buggy WinMo experience" Virus =
I so happy with 6.5 and my TG01 together with the 3.5.1 SPB Mobile shell it is a dream to work with it. Ok it is still no unbox- and just begin- experience, just still have to mod a bit but after a while its just great.
Iphone OS is nothing for me, an OS you need to jailbreak and fear to receive a worm like the one thats sneaking around the web the last days...
Although I don't like this ignorant world domination company.

die_Leuchte said:
Since all these unaware journalists have found a new hobby in bashing WinMo, everyone seems to get the "I am done with this buggy WinMo experience" Virus
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Indeed. To stop these homicidal tendencies brewing in me when I read all this "oh if it only were an Android device" stuff, I can only wish they get their A+Snapdragon whatever sooner, so that they go to some other forums/threads to bug people there, but that time for real reasons - when they realize that trivial things like watching a movie can be a challenge.

I really like the HTC HD2 and it is the best phone hardware I have ever had between my fingers (both spec and design wise imo)
I too was kinda annoyed with all the reviews *****ing about 6.5... But after using the phone since release I can honerstly tell that it has some major flaws that my Hero didn't have - mainly because it runs WinMo 6.5 and not android.
Here is some of the reasons I wanna change to android:
- I have major problems sending and recieving messages (think HTC is working on this..)
- I have wait times when I want to write an sms - up to a minute (also a known universal problem with too many sms'es in your inbox)
- The "dictionary AI" is very, very bad compared to my HTC Hero
- Volume control is very buggy
- No good flash support like on my old Hero
- No good google- calender, email or youtube integration like on Hero
- No Android market with innovative apps like wikitude and ebuddy(facebook chat and good msn app + other im in one)
- no hardkeys for multitasking
I also want to mention that I need to softreset my HD2 once or twice a day simply because some functions (bluetooth, ui, com. manager, etc..) messes up the phone to either freeze, become slow or leave some functions not working... I have never had these problems with my Hero.
It might sound like I hate 6.5, but it has some advantages like leaving more advanced options to fittle around with, remote desktop, wifi-router and stuff like that, so ofc it comes with a price to put android on the HD2 =)

kasperknop said:
I can honerstly tell that it has some major flaws that my Hero didn't have - mainly because it runs WinMo 6.5 and not android.
Here is some of the reasons I wanna change to android:
- I have major problems sending and recieving messages (think HTC is working on this..)
- I have wait times when I want to write an sms - up to a minute (also a known universal problem with too many sms'es in your inbox)
- The "dictionary AI" is very, very bad compared to my HTC Hero
- Volume control is very buggy
- No good flash support like on my old Hero
- No good google- calender, email or youtube integration like on Hero
- No Android market with innovative apps like wikitude and ebuddy(facebook chat and good msn app + other im in one)
- no hardkeys for multitasking
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Google services integration is the only thing in your list that's relevant, plus there's no Android market, which is a dubious loss. Everything else is either design decisions or bugs introduced by HTC and have nothing to do with WM. How in the world would Android add hardware keys for multitasking to HD2? I can't say I always resist following hypes successfully, but this is just ridiculous.

kasperknop said:
I really like the HTC HD2 and it is the best phone hardware I have ever had between my fingers (both spec and design wise imo)
I too was kinda annoyed with all the reviews *****ing about 6.5... But after using the phone since release I can honerstly tell that it has some major flaws that my Hero didn't have - mainly because it runs WinMo 6.5 and not android.
Here is some of the reasons I wanna change to android:
- I have major problems sending and recieving messages (think HTC is working on this..)
- I have wait times when I want to write an sms - up to a minute (also a known universal problem with too many sms'es in your inbox)
- The "dictionary AI" is very, very bad compared to my HTC Hero
- Volume control is very buggy
- No good flash support like on my old Hero
- No good google- calender, email or youtube integration like on Hero
- No Android market with innovative apps like wikitude and ebuddy(facebook chat and good msn app + other im in one)
- no hardkeys for multitasking
I also want to mention that I need to softreset my HD2 once or twice a day simply because some functions (bluetooth, ui, com. manager, etc..) messes up the phone to either freeze, become slow or leave some functions not working... I have never had these problems with my Hero.
It might sound like I hate 6.5, but it has some advantages like leaving more advanced options to fittle around with, remote desktop, wifi-router and stuff like that, so ofc it comes with a price to put android on the HD2 =)
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Just throw your HD2 into the trashbin (or eBay ) and wait for HTC Dragon.
BTW: Don't you think youl could have more problems with a system that is constantly changing than with a system that is finished?
I made the expirience, that Linux-based systems can be a *****y thing too. Functions that work with one release don't work when you upgrade. I would (and I do) stick to WM because of that.

HTC is definitely working on the SMS problem... they've asked me to install logging software on my phone to help them identify the cause
As for the dragon, im afriad to say the instant the dragon is released my HD2 is going on ebay, the only reason i wanted it was because of the screen, and if there is an alternative, im getting it!

docchris1980 said:
HTC is definitely working on the SMS problem... they've asked me to install logging software on my phone to help them identify the cause
As for the dragon, im afriad to say the instant the dragon is released my HD2 is going on ebay, the only reason i wanted it was because of the screen, and if there is an alternative, im getting it!
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Yeah, I said that with the HTC Hero, which was a great device but Android is far from brilliant yet. Hopefully 2.0 will make things a lot better but don't you think most Android phones are just plain awful looks wise... Heres the Dragon v HD2
http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/htc_hd2_htc_dragon-540x388.jpg
Looks, ill stick with HD2. Speed, i'd go with Dragon, but overall usability, i'll stick with the HD2.
People say the HD2 keyboard is poo, but so was the Hero's until the software update. Android is great, but its just too buggy at the minute and the fact a program can run in the background without you knowing and drain the battery in about 20 minutes is rubbish!
As the hardware is the same, I'm quite confident that when the Dragon is out, you'll see that port over to the HD2.

I'm thinking about Android .. task on background can ruin WM device too.
But does Android have good ebook reader ? Comic book reader ? AVI video player ? Good image viewer ? Control over data connection ? I'm afraid of these things ..

Blackberry in new ROM's

I would request the ROM cooks to incorporate the settings on this link
http://www.silentservices.de/HexEdit-ROM-for-BBC.html
This it seems shall by default make HTC Rhodium read as Raphael and hence BBC ok model.

BBC
Everyone views it but no comments, it seems no one is interested in BB Connevct on WM

if you go to the software thread you will find multiple threads about BBC

wait what im new to this but what does this mean. I can get bbc on my wm? what is bbc and does that allow me to install apps from blackberry app world and use bbm?

HTC Hero Android 2.1 questions

In regards to the new update, I have a few questions about it. Can anyone who has the ROM help?
1. Is the option to send text via speech present?
2. Are live wallpapers included?
3. Does the Hero support Bluetooth file transfer?
4. Is the 3D gallery present or have HTC skinned it with their version?
Ta!

1. I don't know if this function is available in the stock messaging app, but a lot of people (including myself) use Handcent SMS, which has this feature and it works even in cupcake.
2. Some of the ROMs have Live Wallpapers, some don't. From what I've heard, you can expect this feature to be buggy. Someone may have it working perfectly by now though, I'm not sure.
3. Yes, in the 2.1 ROMs it does. I've heard that it works well, although I can't test it, as I've lost my BT dongle for my PC.
4. Different ROMs will include different apps. I think (but may be wrong) that the VilllianROM has the 3D Gallery.

craig0r said:
2. Some of the ROMs have Live Wallpapers, some don't. From what I've heard, you can expect this feature to be buggy. Someone may have it working perfectly by now though, I'm not sure.
4. Different ROMs will include different apps. I think (but may be wrong) that the VilllianROM has the 3D Gallery.
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To add to these points:
2. Live wallpapers probably won't be supported on a Hero officially - they can be a drag on resources. I've seen the video for the HTC Desire, and Live Wallpapers is obviously on the N1 - but both have the Snapdragon processor. I haven't seen any full live wallpapers working within the HTC Sense environment for the leaked 2.1 stuff. That said, I think the "Weather" display is a Live Wallpaper of sorts.
4. 3D Gallery is available within VillainROM but it is buggy - the embedded CoolIris technology doesn't play nicely with re-orienting to and from landscape. That is to be expected as these 2.1 ROMs are based on leaked code. It should be fixed WHEN HTC release an official ROM for the Hero.

Will the 2.1 OS give the VGA 30fps capability for the Hero like on Legend?

same questions. is it possible that 2.1 will allow vga 30fps quality video improvement or is this a hw limitation? hero video is god awful. it's hard to believe a 2009 phone can have such a low resolution camcorder functionality that compares w/ my 2003 SDA in pq.

[Q] Barebone - but not completely naked ROM? HTC Apps - available anywhere?

I've been looking through the forums, searching my butt off, etc but I'm still unable to get where I want to go - so time to ask around. Hopefully it won't turn out I'm just a crappy searcher....
So! I really enjoy SPB Mobile Shell, especially after you slap a TouchFlo/Sense-like skin on it. It's faster and more customizable than Sense itself and looks great.
I'd also like to have a fresh WinMo 6.5 as a foundation for it.
Furthermore, I'd like for that WinMo to have the actual HTC controls - volume, dialer, preferrably even alarm settings and the proper Blackstone communications setup apps. I would not, however, want it to be polluted with lots of other crap like useless MS apps or PDF readers or whatever.
So, is there such a ROM? If there is not, but there is a super clean 6.5 ROM - has anyone extracted the HTC control apps (the actual ones for Blackstone, not some crappy HTC-like **** apps from 2008 which was all I could find) into cab form, and can they be found anywhere?
Thanks.

lorcro2000 said:
I've been looking through the forums, searching my butt off, etc but I'm still unable to get where I want to go - so time to ask around. Hopefully it won't turn out I'm just a crappy searcher....
So! I really enjoy SPB Mobile Shell, especially after you slap a TouchFlo/Sense-like skin on it. It's faster and more customizable than Sense itself and looks great.
I'd also like to have a fresh WinMo 6.5 as a foundation for it.
Furthermore, I'd like for that WinMo to have the actual HTC controls - volume, dialer, preferrably even alarm settings and the proper Blackstone communications setup apps. I would not, however, want it to be polluted with lots of other crap like useless MS apps or PDF readers or whatever.
So, is there such a ROM? If there is not, but there is a super clean 6.5 ROM - has anyone extracted the HTC control apps (the actual ones for Blackstone, not some crappy HTC-like **** apps from 2008 which was all I could find) into cab form, and can they be found anywhere?
Thanks.
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Blackstone Henge Hyper 2.5 version 7 i think it is...pretty basic, stripped down version of windows 6.5. (not sure what ur referring to with actual htc control apps?) But, I'm using this RoMU now..running CHT to skin it, looks great, runs smooth. Only one possible issue--battery life seems to be rather poor compared to others Ive used equipped w/ far more application that required more performance from the OS. I'm looking for the prob/ solution. Perhaps too many cabs, as opposed to running a RoM with several of them already built into it...Anyway, could be what ur looking for.

Well, I was referring to having a "HTC Sense" looking dialer and volume controls etc as opposed to the exceedingly ugly ones that come with stock Windows Mobile. If you get a full-featured ROM you get the HTC communication manager, HTC dialer etc that look really nice compared to the stock. Those bits are the only ones I'd personally like in addition to the stock stuff though (and not even all of the stock stuff).
In the end I went for a very light ROM that did have Manila as well, then turned Manila off in the Today settings. It's not ideal, but it works pretty well and I have a fair amount of memory to play with still to install the apps I really want and none of the dreck I don't need.
It's a shame there's no ROM that is both very light, has the HTC apps like the dialer and comms manager and volume control etc and is built on a really fresh WinMo release... but this works I guess.

lorcro2000 said:
Well, I was referring to having a "HTC Sense" looking dialer and volume controls etc as opposed to the exceedingly ugly ones that come with stock Windows Mobile. If you get a full-featured ROM you get the HTC communication manager, HTC dialer etc that look really nice compared to the stock. Those bits are the only ones I'd personally like in addition to the stock stuff though (and not even all of the stock stuff).
In the end I went for a very light ROM that did have Manila as well, then turned Manila off in the Today settings. It's not ideal, but it works pretty well and I have a fair amount of memory to play with still to install the apps I really want and none of the dreck I don't need.
It's a shame there's no ROM that is both very light, has the HTC apps like the dialer and comms manager and volume control etc and is built on a really fresh WinMo release... but this works I guess.
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-Hey mate, yea I see what ur saying. Still check out the Blackstone Henge RoM, it sounds like what ur looking for. Very stripped down, but still utilizing the finger friendly volume control, slider, dialer, and communication manager. But the RoM build has removed alot of useless, ram draining applications. Give it a go mate if ur up to it..may just suit ur needs. Good luck.

[Q] Installing WM on HTC Desire HD

It might be a stupid thread and stupid question and I believe the ANSWER of it might be …… it will never happen.
BUT
Is it possible? Can it be?
I am not a good fan of Android as I had a lot of problem with Nexus one,
I have been using windows mobile since ages, my first was the IPAQ, Imate PDA2K, HTC cruse, Diamond, HD (BlackStone) and Nexus one < --- just to test Android
I might be wrong judging the Android but here are my notes:
- No X button to close the applications so they just keep running in the background
- No file browser
- It was hard to make it run the WMV and still not good
- I understand in the WM 6.5 no Transcriber and block recognizer, but I think it can be managed
- No today desktop to be customized as I like to see my task and calendar
- Office is not there the way you want
And many manay other issues
Well sorry for the (too much writing) but maybe I could get some help here or people might enlighten me
THX

Honestly I have no idea how to install Wm on that phone...and I would never want to if I were yu...but ur issues don't seem to lye with android...yu just need to do some market browsing because there is a program called advanced task killer that kills apps in the background..it also has a nifty little home widget...yu can also download astro file explorer to search files on ur phone...just like in wm ...there are apps and Widgets for all the issues yu stated...the best advice I can give tho is that if yu want a wm phone...then buy one...hold out for the hd7 and see if someone might trade yu for ur desire HD...hope I've helped..
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

Thanks for the answer and as I said I already knew it will not be possible, HD with WM7 is close to android, no today screen and it is almost Iphone, I might sound old fashion but I believe it is hard to change things you got used to
I am a Linux user too (Ubuntu Lucid) is what I am using, I believe I will give Desire HD a try and see, maybe I might be able to find a way to install WM on it maybe I give Android a better look and see what it has.

jmohik said:
I might be wrong judging the Android but here are my notes:
- No X button to close the applications so they just keep running in the background
- No file browser
- It was hard to make it run the WMV and still not good
- I understand in the WM 6.5 no Transcriber and block recognizer, but I think it can be managed
- No today desktop to be customized as I like to see my task and calendar
- Office is not there the way you want
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1. No, there is no "X" button, but Android's memory management is clever enough that you don't need one.
2. There are plenty of file browsers available on the Marketplace
3. I assume you mean .wmv videos? Not sure on this one.
4. Not sure about this
5. You can get all manner of widgets for Android that show calendars and you can get task managers etc.
6. No, office isn't perfect, but it's getting better.
If all of this is really a concern for you - why not just get an HD2? It's the same screen size and most of the same features (give or take megapixels, DLNA and a couple of bits and pieces here and there). At least then you can run WM6.5 as default and toy with the Android port which is developing really well in the meantime.

Don't want you to hate me guys BUT i did use the HD2, and here are my notes:
-Battery runs out fast
-don't like the new start menu
-no pen comes with it (i understand that all new HTC don't) i am OK with it, BUT it is not smooth the way you want in HD2.
well i am sorry to cause you headache guys i am really lost here and i do like HTC phones it is just cannot find the one that do serves me as my HD (blackstone) do
The only thing i would spare the HD (BlackStone) is its slowness.
I might consider desire HD and give it a try.
Here is what I am talking about
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@jmohik : So you wanna step back in time to WM6.1 ... if you dont like HD2 now... all the new phones (anytime soon now) are start gonna ship with WM7 .... as per your feedback and requirements, I believe you will ditch WM smartphones altogether
Btw...dont know what more do you want from a HD2 which is able to run a WM6.1, WM6.5, WM6.5.5, All Android Builds, and soon WM7 !
As far as battery, I get 1.5 days out of it .... dont expect more from such beasts...if you do, switch to Nokia

as i said ... i don't want you to hate me guys, and i said it is not easy to change things you got used to ....
well .... i will get the desire HD and i guess i will start on using it.
and BTW i also have a NOKIA E75

Thats the spirit !

It'd be far more interesting to know whether its possible to hack a WM7 rom onto the phone, seeing as the hardware looks identical to the HD7 that HTC are releasing.
Don't get me wrong, I'm Android all the way but theres no harm in experimenting!

I think you just need to spend 2-4 weeks with an Android phone running HTC Sense. I used to use a WM6.1 device, then WM6.5 and then moved to the HTC Hero which was on Android 1.5, and now 2.1. Since the first day I got the Hero, I have not looked back at WM. There really is no question about it.
I understand it all comes down to personal preference, but a Linux user like yourself should find Android easier to work with than those who don't use Linux.
As one of the other guys mentioned above, there are plenty of apps on the market you can get for free which do pretty much everything you say you want. The reason HTC don't provide a stylus these days is the screens are now capacitive not resistive, and better suited to fingers and thumbs. You can still get a stylus, but it would cost more.
P.S. I don't really have much love for the stock Android experience, as on the Nexus One... HTC Sense over the top of it is just amazing... in my opinion, but like I said, everyone has their own personal preference..!

i had an HD2 running wm6.53 and Android from the SD card. Dual booting serves no purpose BUT ITS GREAT!!!
I will get this device when its out as my HD2 died. I would love to be able to dual boot to WM7 just to give it a go.

ekerbuddyeker said:
i had an HD2 running wm6.53 and Android from the SD card. Dual booting serves no purpose BUT ITS GREAT!!!
I will get this device when its out as my HD2 died. I would love to be able to dual boot to WM7 just to give it a go.
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Surely your HD2 is still within its 12 month warranty! I've had mine since it came out, that isn't even a year yet!
No one will put the time and effort in to port WP7 to an Android device, it just won't really be feasible given the amount of people who will actually want it.
Also, I can imagine it being a lot harder to go, given that WP7 is closed source, and Android is open source.