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I really like HD2, and with the New SMS Hotfix released today, it might be even better
But what do you REALLY want on the phone, that might come out?
For me, in order of how important:
1. Spotify official client
2. Companies like EA starting to develop big titles to Windows Mobile. We know HD2 is just an capable gaming device like the one Apple makes
3. A good Facebook Client (todays client is poor compared to iPhones)
Two for the price of one?? hehe
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Two for the price of one?? hehe
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I don't know if this would be considered as an feature thou
Google navigator.
I would like the random freezing to stop, especially coming out of unlock.
I'd love the lockscreen to have music access, its just easier to control from there instead of sliding to the specific tab in sense.
Also I'd really like a better windows live messenger program, its just so dated and old and if they could integrate push notifications on there that would be awesome, Facebook app needs to be improved seems like a half assed attempt because everyone phone was getting the app and they had to rush it.
Other than that, Im pretty happy with the phone at the momemnt, each time they update the software it seems like a brand new phone to me.
Im still waiting on whether wm7 is going to be put on the HD2 because the tasks, calendar, notes and whatever else needs to be updated.
Just to fix the flaws eg call volume too loud and distorts/crackles, screen switches back on making calls so your ear ends up pressing other functions, and text input glitch when pressin 12#
If these were fixed it would be the best phone on the market imo, but with them it's becoming extremely irritating
IMO it already is the "most awesome" phone ever. Sure, there are (or rather have been) some teething problems with the device but with the latest SMS hotfix released today it's near perfect (apart from the camera, but this issue was well publicized as a hardware problem before most of us purchased our phones - and yes, no matter what HTC are saying now, it is a hardware fault).
An official spotify client would be nice, but really I prefer to use the built in media player and store my music on the SD card. Spotify may not be around for much longer anyway if certain analysts are to be believed.
The FB client does suck, but it does what it's supposed to - more or less. Even on the iPhone I tend not to use the app but go directly to the website. Unless all you're doing is changing your status or uploading a photo it's just as fast (and should you do a status update or share a photo there are better ways than the app anyhow - I do miss having the ability to add a caption using the MS Uploader though).
So far I haven't come across any apps I need (or want) that are not available on WM, and while the iPhone does have a uniform look, UI wise, the fact WM does not is perhaps a good thing as it allows for more variety. If anything I wish MS would come up with a standard set of skinnable controls so that applying a theme to the phone would change the entire experience - I have a feeling this is in WM7 (to some extent).
Of course, there are ways to make it even more awesome, such as a better battery life, TV out, USB host capabilities, second camera (video calls / webcam) etc, but really it doesn't matter due to the 4.3" screen we do have - that, and the processor, is what makes this device what it is. Without the larger screen it would have been just another phone. By the time WM7 is available we'll likely get another handset with all the features above, the large screen and hopefully Nvidia Tegra
I'd be happy with it if they'd just fix all the damn bugs.
The only things that I want are tv-out and a larger capacity battery. Everything else is spiffy
arxx said:
I really like HD2, and with the New SMS Hotfix released today, it might be even better
But what do you REALLY want on the phone, that might come out?
For me, in order of how important:
1. Spotify official client
2. Companies like EA starting to develop big titles to Windows Mobile. We know HD2 is just an capable gaming device like the one Apple makes
3. A good Facebook Client (todays client is poor compared to iPhones)
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Ever up until when?
Now?
or now?
or how about now?
Technology is constantly moving, expect a new handset from HTC by the end of the year that blows away the HD2...
It currently is already an awesome handset with some slight quirks/bugs that need rectifying but it will quickly be caught up by other manufacturers and also by HTC itself...
arxx said:
I really like HD2, and with the New SMS Hotfix released today, it might be even better
But what do you REALLY want on the phone, that might come out?
For me, in order of how important:
1. Spotify official client
2. Companies like EA starting to develop big titles to Windows Mobile. We know HD2 is just an capable gaming device like the one Apple makes
3. A good Facebook Client (todays client is poor compared to iPhones)
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It might be a stupid question but why don't you get an iPhone then
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It might be a stupid question but why don't you get an iPhone then
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I have an iPhone 3G, But I think HD2 is better in many ways
Tactile feedback, 4.3" screen, HTC Sense...
I was also hoping this post would enlighten someones needs, and someone else knowing about how to for fill those needs
I love HD2, but i still have to bring two devices for using i.e. Spotify
Better battery life would make it near perfect for me.
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I have an iPhone 3G, But I think HD2 is better in many ways
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I totally agree with you
I only need:
1. a program to disable the T9 button in the keyboard..
2. a program to disable the "Other button other than the power button can't turn on screen"
3. rotate screen will rotate every program..
would be AWESOME!! and I think I'll have the perfect phone..
completely agree with zelduy , id love those three points as well
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3. rotate screen will rotate every program..
would be AWESOME!!
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Have a look at PLToggle (in my signature). It's not an automatic program that rotates the display when you rotate the device, but it allows all programs to rotate with a long-press on the call button (to the rotation of your choice).
That might help
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I totally agree with you
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I sort of agree. The HD2 would be better if everything worked properly. As a device it's better, but because my iphone 3G worked flawlessly it didn't cause me so many headaches, and therefore could be considered better
The main kicker for me would be the battery life.
If I could get about 2 days average use out of the phone that'd be perfect.
It's not happened to me yet but if I desperately needed to make a call at about 4:30pm I can see myself not having enough battery left. What are mobile phones for after all?
I just want it to do everything good without freezing
It might be a stupid thread and stupid question and I believe the ANSWER of it might be …… it will never happen.
BUT
Is it possible? Can it be?
I am not a good fan of Android as I had a lot of problem with Nexus one,
I have been using windows mobile since ages, my first was the IPAQ, Imate PDA2K, HTC cruse, Diamond, HD (BlackStone) and Nexus one < --- just to test Android
I might be wrong judging the Android but here are my notes:
- No X button to close the applications so they just keep running in the background
- No file browser
- It was hard to make it run the WMV and still not good
- I understand in the WM 6.5 no Transcriber and block recognizer, but I think it can be managed
- No today desktop to be customized as I like to see my task and calendar
- Office is not there the way you want
And many manay other issues
Well sorry for the (too much writing) but maybe I could get some help here or people might enlighten me
THX
Honestly I have no idea how to install Wm on that phone...and I would never want to if I were yu...but ur issues don't seem to lye with android...yu just need to do some market browsing because there is a program called advanced task killer that kills apps in the background..it also has a nifty little home widget...yu can also download astro file explorer to search files on ur phone...just like in wm ...there are apps and Widgets for all the issues yu stated...the best advice I can give tho is that if yu want a wm phone...then buy one...hold out for the hd7 and see if someone might trade yu for ur desire HD...hope I've helped..
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Thanks for the answer and as I said I already knew it will not be possible, HD with WM7 is close to android, no today screen and it is almost Iphone, I might sound old fashion but I believe it is hard to change things you got used to
I am a Linux user too (Ubuntu Lucid) is what I am using, I believe I will give Desire HD a try and see, maybe I might be able to find a way to install WM on it maybe I give Android a better look and see what it has.
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I might be wrong judging the Android but here are my notes:
- No X button to close the applications so they just keep running in the background
- No file browser
- It was hard to make it run the WMV and still not good
- I understand in the WM 6.5 no Transcriber and block recognizer, but I think it can be managed
- No today desktop to be customized as I like to see my task and calendar
- Office is not there the way you want
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1. No, there is no "X" button, but Android's memory management is clever enough that you don't need one.
2. There are plenty of file browsers available on the Marketplace
3. I assume you mean .wmv videos? Not sure on this one.
4. Not sure about this
5. You can get all manner of widgets for Android that show calendars and you can get task managers etc.
6. No, office isn't perfect, but it's getting better.
If all of this is really a concern for you - why not just get an HD2? It's the same screen size and most of the same features (give or take megapixels, DLNA and a couple of bits and pieces here and there). At least then you can run WM6.5 as default and toy with the Android port which is developing really well in the meantime.
Don't want you to hate me guys BUT i did use the HD2, and here are my notes:
-Battery runs out fast
-don't like the new start menu
-no pen comes with it (i understand that all new HTC don't) i am OK with it, BUT it is not smooth the way you want in HD2.
well i am sorry to cause you headache guys i am really lost here and i do like HTC phones it is just cannot find the one that do serves me as my HD (blackstone) do
The only thing i would spare the HD (BlackStone) is its slowness.
I might consider desire HD and give it a try.
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@jmohik : So you wanna step back in time to WM6.1 ... if you dont like HD2 now... all the new phones (anytime soon now) are start gonna ship with WM7 .... as per your feedback and requirements, I believe you will ditch WM smartphones altogether
Btw...dont know what more do you want from a HD2 which is able to run a WM6.1, WM6.5, WM6.5.5, All Android Builds, and soon WM7 !
As far as battery, I get 1.5 days out of it .... dont expect more from such beasts...if you do, switch to Nokia
as i said ... i don't want you to hate me guys, and i said it is not easy to change things you got used to ....
well .... i will get the desire HD and i guess i will start on using it.
and BTW i also have a NOKIA E75
Thats the spirit !
It'd be far more interesting to know whether its possible to hack a WM7 rom onto the phone, seeing as the hardware looks identical to the HD7 that HTC are releasing.
Don't get me wrong, I'm Android all the way but theres no harm in experimenting!
I think you just need to spend 2-4 weeks with an Android phone running HTC Sense. I used to use a WM6.1 device, then WM6.5 and then moved to the HTC Hero which was on Android 1.5, and now 2.1. Since the first day I got the Hero, I have not looked back at WM. There really is no question about it.
I understand it all comes down to personal preference, but a Linux user like yourself should find Android easier to work with than those who don't use Linux.
As one of the other guys mentioned above, there are plenty of apps on the market you can get for free which do pretty much everything you say you want. The reason HTC don't provide a stylus these days is the screens are now capacitive not resistive, and better suited to fingers and thumbs. You can still get a stylus, but it would cost more.
P.S. I don't really have much love for the stock Android experience, as on the Nexus One... HTC Sense over the top of it is just amazing... in my opinion, but like I said, everyone has their own personal preference..!
i had an HD2 running wm6.53 and Android from the SD card. Dual booting serves no purpose BUT ITS GREAT!!!
I will get this device when its out as my HD2 died. I would love to be able to dual boot to WM7 just to give it a go.
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i had an HD2 running wm6.53 and Android from the SD card. Dual booting serves no purpose BUT ITS GREAT!!!
I will get this device when its out as my HD2 died. I would love to be able to dual boot to WM7 just to give it a go.
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Surely your HD2 is still within its 12 month warranty! I've had mine since it came out, that isn't even a year yet!
No one will put the time and effort in to port WP7 to an Android device, it just won't really be feasible given the amount of people who will actually want it.
Also, I can imagine it being a lot harder to go, given that WP7 is closed source, and Android is open source.
Thinking about giving it a go, been running my HD2 on Android and WP7 for so long now, anyone still use it daily?
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Thinking about giving it a go, been running my HD2 on Android and WP7 for so long now, anyone still use it daily?
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As you see in my sig below, I currently run Athine OS.
I dont need Android HD2 anymore. too many problems occur that cause bad blocks in its NAND.
Cheers..
Yea, I still use it. Oh, don't get me wrong. I tried Android and WP7. I just don't think they gave me enough reason to switch over completely. Occasionally boot Android but that's mainly because my son likes Fruit Ninja.
Edit: I run Dutty's 6.5.x ROM.
Cenobite_ said:
Yea, I still use it. Oh, don't get me wrong. I tried Android and WP7. I just don't think they gave me enough reason to switch over completely. Occasionally boot Android but that's mainly because my son likes Fruit Ninja.
Edit: I run Dutty's 6.5.x ROM.
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same for me but reverse is true.aftrer finding vplayer advnce ang moboplayer i dont need wm.it sucks.now on dhd rafdroid build.
I've just gone back to winmo, had nand android and wp7 but with micro usb probs gone back to winmo and quite happy
after 3 phones my 4th works perfect, and it does make a big difference, no freezes random shutoffs, reboots it works perfect and i am very happy with it. plus i am tired of tweaking the phone and modding it, i just want to use and enjoy it. i will go to android someday, i love what my friends android's do, but i am stickin with 6.5 and sense, and cht. it is so nice when you get a great running phone. i do not have to even clear temp files anymore, even though i do every while, when i think of it.
Heading back to winmo as soon as I get a few hours to update my kitchen.
Bored of android, no clue how to tweak it, miss the registry.
Yes love it to the max...
Best smartphone os ever..
I have to say I am amazed anyone is still using winmo, Android is stable on the HD2, if you are finding it not so you are doing something wrong
Could'nt go back to winmo now, would missed all the games and other apps you just cant get with winmo. The only thing I miss a little is the performance of coreplayer but some of the new video app releases are nearly there now.
+ nobody is really developing for winmo anymore, closed platform, let it die in peace people
Still the one for me
I've been using WM since the Pocket PC Phone 2003 version. I really like it. I don't play many games, but I have dozens of applications that I have collected over the years (mostly free), and the HD2 runs WM better than any phone I've owned. I also like the fact that I can customize it using the registry, and the integration with MS Office applications, including Outlook.
I have Android on my tablet, but I prefer WM.
The only reason that I have Android on my HD2 (SD card version) is so that I can play with SPB Mobile 3D. Other than that, I still love WinMo. It does what I want it to do better than the other OS's available.
Android and WP7 run well, if not a bit heavy on battery. But at the end of the day, I always end up with WinMo 6.5 as my daily driver.
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I have to say I am amazed anyone is still using winmo, Android is stable on the HD2, if you are finding it not so you are doing something wrong
Could'nt go back to winmo now, would missed all the games and other apps you just cant get with winmo. The only thing I miss a little is the performance of coreplayer bult some of the new video app releases are nearly there now.
+ nobody is really developing for winmo anymore, closed platform, let it die in peace people
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Glad you like Android on your HD2 and everyone is untitled to their preceded OS. But from your post Windows Mobile was not an OS for you anyway as Win Mo is more occasion true power users OS and a business oriented OS. Not for people that like to play games and just use social networks. Win Mo gives you a true mobile computing capabilities where Android is still paling so much in this area in my opinion. So you see your statement that "if you are finding it not so you are doing something wrong" is totally incorrect as if it was not for Win Mo you would not have Android or IOS. You see Win Mo was the first true mobile OS and any other OS is simply just playing catch up in my mind. Yes Android,Wp7, and IOS all run smoother than Win Mo but all lack the true functionality of Win Mo. I you ask me Microsoft shot their self in the foot when they decided to stop development of Win Mo and created WP7 unless WP7 makes massive leaps in the next year. Also there is still plenty of development of Windows Mobile, I regularly see articles on Windows Mobile in the XDA portal like at least tw to three times a week. No harm meant friend just speaking my opinion
Now as far as the subject at hand I am currently running Hyperdriid from NAND. Which I have to say I like, I only went NAND though to see what all the fuss was about and for the hands on experience of it, I have only been running NAND for three weeks. But like member Samsamueal I will probably be going back to Win Mo before long. I do not like the way copy and past works on Android. I not like how the task managers in Android work, tasked more time to close a application. I absolutely hate that the Android keyboard does not have directional buttons on it,the little arrow icon thing is total crap as far as actually being usable, and you have to hit the symbol button to get any symbol where in Win Mo you do not. I do not like the fact that you can not choice where you want to download files to or save files to, and when you save pictures from mms you can not choose where they go. You have to save to the default location then manually move them to where you want them. You just have a app tray not a true started menu that you can navigate similar to a real computer. You can not have a file to just save games in and then assess from the app tray to cut down on clutter the same is true with any other thing you would want to do this with like tools, media, and etc.Android is still playing catch up in the functionality area to me
Peace
is it coincidence that ive come across this thread after returning to winmo from a few days on android?? no......its fate... fate I tells ya.....
Anyway... yeah lots of people still use WM.
If it had a decent forum reading app i wouldn't need Android at all.....
I'm trying to use android daily - there are a lot of things I like about it. However, when I need a rock solid performance (i.e. on a business trip, etc.) I reboot back into winmo 6.5. I know it, what it does, how long the battery will last, etc. I also know what it doesn't do, that Android does better (imho). I think there is more flexibility in apps on android. But the open platform causes issues. It's why quite a lot of people use the Office suite from MS. They know what to expect.
I'm very happy to have the opportunity to play with the phone.
Kris
samsamuel said:
Heading back to winmo as soon as I get a few hours to update my kitchen.
Bored of android, no clue how to tweak it, miss the registry.
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True that's my main problem with android I really don't know how to tweak it. But with wm just edit registry reboot. Your done. Really Hate microsft for not updating this powerful os if they had they act together nobody could touch them with wm. Even yrs of neglect from microsoft look what the devs manage to do with the thing. I love showing my friends all of the oses am able to run. Wm will always be 1, as for microsoft am done with them never will buy their product because they very old and stupid people working there it seems. When Steve Jobs announced the iphone even at $600 with a 2yrs ballmer bald ass was just laughing while Steve Jobs was working on the iphone and boom who's laughing now bald ass. Microsft had what 90 percent of the mobile marketing share. Than 600 yrs later they give us that feature less wanna ios crap they call windows phone 7. Lol Microsoft had as much if not more followers than apple did with the iPhone. I mean we still use wm till this day. Microsoft simply let us down.
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I still use WM 6.5.
Everything you need, everything is smooth, everything you want.
I thought I would go back and try WM6.5...
Now I have the latest EnergyROM
Things I realise that I have missed since messing about with Android and Windows Phone...
1) SENSE UI on wm is superp, the lackluster effort with the Android version just doesn't compare and the HTC HUB on WP7 well not worth even mentioning. Although the weather animations are completely unnecessary, they are truly a thing of beauty compared to the simpler Android effects.
2) Email TAB is so slick to use, finger flick through your emails, likewise with the photo tab, twitter tab is brilliant, probably similar to the Android Sense version, although WM6.5 Sense severely lacks any Facebook TAB that is of any use.
3) Calendar that is so easy to use its laughable, on WM6.5 native calendar you can simply press hold cut and flick to another date and paste your appointments, I have never come across any calendar in Android and the WP7 one certainly doesn't allow this, its probably one of the things I do most, is move appointments onto the next day
4) Had to pick up some glass from a company yesterday, opened Google maps and was amazed just how more information is shown on the maps within WM compared to Androids, found 7 satellites within seconds, 3G picked up the company, had a route on the map within a minute of opening the app, super fast and never dropped internet connection, which often happened with the Android builds used, although WP7 was equally as stable, the Bing maps are not quite upto the Google ones. OK Android has the turn by turn google map navigation, but I prefer the top down google map views to the 3D type turn by turn stuff.
5) Went out for a run last night, started up Run.GPS, instant Satelites found, clicked on the bluetooth headphones, yet again instantly found and working, started the music and I was yet again amazed and had completely forgotten just how nice the sound is through the HD2 running WM6.5, with the audio booster on even through the bluetooth headphones the music sound was crisp clear and bass deep, the voice responses through run.GPS are so clear and human like were as the voices on Android versions have a more robotic edge, even Marathon and Endomondo on WP7 are not so clear. on my 7 mile hour run never lost a sattelite and the music played perfectly not a skip anywhere, bliss, when I got back I uploaded the gpx file and compared it to the runkeeper, endomondo and rungps Android gpx files of the same run done a few days ago, and to my amazement the smoothness and accuracy of the WM version was far superior.
6) Multi Tasking, what I forgot was I still had so many apps running in the background without any problem, the superb arkswitch shows up I had, these running at the same time.
tmail, file explorer, tasks, run.gps, googlemaps, bbc news, facebook app, calendar, calculator and internet with dropbox page loaded.
7) Battery life on my usual run as mentioned above on most Android builds both NAND and SD would drop from 100% to around 60%, where as last night it only dropped to 75%.
I probably am starting to sound like an advert for WM, I am not I thought by going over to Android and then when I put WP7 on my HD2 I would never look back, but actually WM is pretty fantastic, except for its application marketplace, which is such a shame all microsoft need to do was improve the marketplace, introduce a new UI like the metro one for WM and re-market it.
Using Windows mobile is like running a PC on a small hand-held you can USB link instantly with your computer, drag and drop stuff that will actually work, you can download files from the internet and save them anywhere you like, you can pull out your SD card and not have any problems then pop it back in and the files will be instantly viewable.
YES there are some very good games on Windows mobile, Ferrari GT HD2 accelerometer version is graphically brilliant and runs like a dream, huff and puff is similar to angry birds and looks good but none of these windows mobile games come close to the Android or Windows Phone versions and choice, I particularly love wordsmith/words with friends on Android and AlphaJax and words by post on WP7, there is nothing like this on Windows mobile.
Basically Windows mobile is probably the best operating system on a phone, but its let down by its marketplace, lack of development in applications for gaming and social media.
I will probably end up flashing wp7 when the HD2 NODO update eventually gets here, running Android from the SD dual boot yet again, just because some of those applications are too good to miss. its a shame because windows mobile is superior in my opinion.
I use WM 6.5 daily for work, PDA, my hobby, game, music, and many. WM6.5 is very good.
As the price down, I purchased another HD2 this month. My opinion is to purchase more HD2 if I have money.
I am using Artemis v57 and installed Cookie Home Tab and CHT Editor. That's so great
THUDUK said:
Thinking about giving it a go, been running my HD2 on Android and WP7 for so long now, anyone still use it daily?
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Yes! I currently use the stock 3.14 rom!
I don't have trouble in daily activities!
I have a pure vanilla 6.5 (fully patched with all HTC's updates) and can safely say I won't need to faff about with it until my next phone comes along. It still scares me with what this phone can do!
Ive been using my hd2 for a long while now on android and its been superb. But I still look over at WM7 forums am im very tempted to give it ago.
Is everything working now on the newer releases?? Whats the battery life like?
Some one sell me WP7
Thanks for your help
Cheers
Baker0
i have my htc hd2 long time i test more then 150 roms on 6.5 version , and andorid , i admit android is a nice room , i start using wm7 nodo version ,its realy amazing rom , very fast rom ( similar iphone) no bugs . this room was made for internet and entretainment users.
1-the battery life is ok almost 40h using like a normal mobilephone, but need a ]trick ,]bcs wm7 on hd2 have a drivers problm in camera its make drain battery more then normal but with the trick u resolve that , the other problem is no aplication to use wifi router on wm7 .
2-in wm7 we cant type the number and show the name like in 6.5 rom , u need go to your phone list to search the name you want to call.~~
3-wm7 not suported outlook to sync the contacts , u need have a Key FROM microsoft to conect ur windows live acount and from there u can pass all your contacts
since hd2 official not suported wm7 , and wm7 is so good on hd2 , try using that u will never go back to others roms
i hope this information is helpful for u change....
Baker0 said:
Ive been using my hd2 for a long while now on android and its been superb. But I still look over at WM7 forums am im very tempted to give it ago.
Is everything working now on the newer releases?? Whats the battery life like?
Some one sell me WP7
Thanks for your help
Cheers
Baker0
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I have tried WP7 and it is truely a smooth operating system on the HD2. For me, there are two fundamental problems with WP7 which ruin the experience. The camera driver is still terrible - never use flash and no auto focus. Also the multitouch only works if you place your two fingers down at exactly the same time.
If you don't use the camera, and you can live with the dodgy multitouch - it is a great ROM.
there is a software camera .006 it correct the problem about the auto focus . with that, the pic show nice.
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I have tried WP7 and it is truely a smooth operating system on the HD2. For me, there are two fundamental problems with WP7 which ruin the experience. The camera driver is still terrible - never use flash and no auto focus. Also the multitouch only works if you place your two fingers down at exactly the same time.
If you don't use the camera, and you can live with the dodgy multitouch - it is a great ROM.
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On top of these what kills it for me is that there is not a good navigation program. Other than that it is pretty damn awesome.
The current non-Sense Android ROMs are actually working perfectly on our HD2s, the biggest problem (for me) is the battery life. WP7 however has some issues on the HD2.
First of all you have to have an SD card that works (correctly) with WP7. Then, if you move to WP7 you will find yourself in a less open environment: less apps, no usb drive option, less control of your phone. You will also lose some Google functionalities you had in Android (Navigation app, sync multiple calendars, maps). You will lose flash support. You will have to call Microsoft for an activation code if you want the live services (access to market apps). This brings a lot of pain in the a$s...
BUT! If your installation is successful you will have a very smooth OS with a great integration of facebook and google contacts synchronization. With Zune software you can synchronize your phone with your movies and music. You will get a pretty good battery life and a fully functioning phone. I flashed a WP7 ROM last week and i think I'll stick with it for a while.
Hope this helps
Thank you for your help, camera is a big one for me.... Does USB tethering work?
I'll chime in not to necessarily "sell it" but coming from a strictly WinMo background. I have Android on SD, but I've refused to have it as a main OS simply because WM has been everything I needed for years. I'm not an "app"er, could care less about market saturation, as long as I can find, somehow, the tools I need for day to day.
Coming from that background, I decided to give WP7 a go about 2 weeks ago when finally nodo was available to us on HD2. So far its been a double edged sword to me. I miss my openness already. That's my first thoughts. I miss being able to transfer files on the fly and even as simply as move files internally to deep level private folders. In WM6.5 I was to the point of using my phone as a boot-able agent for PC repairs. I would have said I miss syncing directly to Outlook, because for almost 10 years that's where all of my contacts have been stored and backed up, but MS forced me to make an exchange server with Office 2010. I think I'd be damned if I had to move my info online to an external server. Though I did activate my phone to Live, the only cloud service I use is the marketplace. Another thing I miss a lot is Sense, lol I know silly but I absolutely loved that interface.
And what I'm liking about WP7 so far, is one of the main pushes for the phone, that it is a nice neat little interface (though I really wish someone would hack sense into it). Its fast, very fast, and easy to use (which isn't really that big a deal to me because I thrive on difficult and complicated, and used to love having a phone I knew not many people could just pick up and get into), but it is very easy none the less. The marketplace has so far had a ton of apps that I do use almost daily now (which is making it harder for me to think about re-flashing 6.5). Actually the apps are the only things that's keeping me from going back at the moment. I kind of feel like I want to wait for Mango and more hacks so I can have my control back, but damned if I won't miss some of the apps.
Battery life is a bit spotty for me, because I live in a rural area at the moment and if I don't turn on airplane mode when I get home, drain down to nothing in a matter of a hours. I did a test the other day while I was out and had full H and staring from almost 100% went through about 45 min of a 93 min movie from netflix and battery was almost dead. I've learned though, the way I use my phone no matter what OS, I have to charge it all the time anyways.
That's my report, hope it helps ;-)
edit: there is a workaround for tethering with DFrouter but its sort of like the USB Storage workaround.
Long time WinMo user that made the switch with NoDo. I haven't shot any photos that required flash, but the photos I have taken with the camera were fine. I got an activation code via chat in 5 minutes or so, so that wasn't and issue. I went through the hassle of formatting my card to allow me to load Android, so when I do need to tether, I have that option.
My biggest complaint so far is the sound is overdriven, which seems to be fixable via registry tweak. In spite of loading Tom's xap, I haven't been able to successfully side-load an app that will let me work the registry a bit. But that's operator error, at some point I'll figure out what I'm doing wrong.
I just checked into NRG's 6.5 thread to see if there was anything new, a habit that will take me a long time to break. At this point, I don't see myself going backwards. I much prefer WP7 over Android, and though there is one app I really miss from WinMo (SplashID), I've found workarounds for the rest. I much prefer the e-mail and calendar interfaces on WP7, and it I'll admit it is kind of nice to have some cool, high graphics games on my day-to-day OS. Having been a smart phone user forever, I'm used to having chargers and battery spares, so battery life isn't much of a consideration for me.
I highly recommend you give it a try. Worst case, you just flash back. Good Luck!
I was in the same boat you are in right now, but there was no way to move away from Android. My love for Android and my loyalty are true to the core. What did I do? I got both. I have 16GB MicroSD Card Class 10 and with sick video guide from 96edwy I now have Dual Boot HTC HD2 running XBmod v1.10 NODO and American Android 2.3.2 !!!
Like everyone else I had my period of "Flash Madness" where I flashed about 5 times a day but it slowed down few months ago with new job and all. My ultimate solution: I have best of both worlds!!! Nirvana state of mind....
I love my Android, but I also love WP7 and right now mobile device gods are smiling on me
What OS to use...
Hi all, I tried them all on HD2 WM 6.5, 6.5.X,Froyo on SD,WP7 and finally stuck on Ginger in ROM. What is best for you depends on what kind of user you are. For example - I'm not into gaming on my phone, I don't have a facebook or twitter acc and couldnt care less about social networking,I use email extensively, care about outlook integration, office docs, use a lot of browsing, watch a lot of youtube and news aps...
WM 6.5(.X)
GOOD
- Looks great (the weather animations are so cool, the tabs are functional and fun way to use the phone)
- Has USB storage mode
- Has USB and WiFi tethering capability
- Can sync with outlook mail and contacts or any other mail with such ease that flashing and putting it back to running state takes less than 5 minutes
- Has a ton of GREAT GPS apps like iGo etc
- Best battery life of HD2 is of course on a original 6.5 ROM, nothing you flash will top that
- Skype works, although a very old version that you have to install yourself
- Can be used until the battery is dead and then recharged without a problem (not like android or wp7 ports)
- You can customize the home screen with addons like cookies home tab etc, lo limited customization is available (no widget support like in android etc)
- From just a month ago you can enjoy high res YouTube videos
BAD
- Sometimes laggy
- Browsing experience is ages behind Android and WP7, no flash support etc
- Camera is bad compared to the one on Andoird for example
- Live wallpapers are not as good as the ones on android and theres so few to choose from
- No universal search option (like on Android or BB devices)
- Gaming suck
- Development is dying or almost dead
WP7
GOOD
- Soooooo cool looking, fastest interface ever, extra intuitive and modern
- Mail app is great, very well thought trough and nice looking
- The best social networking integration, deeply into contacts
- Great gaming experience with xbox live
BAD
- Camera is only usable trough an external app, the built in is ****ty
- No direct outlook sync
- Has to be activated with MS
- No usb or wifi tethering
- No usb flash mode
- No GPS apps whatsoever, not even Google maps
- Live tiles are cool but third party apps cant really use their full potential (solved in upcoming Mango release but you'll have to wait for like a year to get it)
- No skype
- No universal search option (like on Android or BB devices), the search button is reserved for Bing search (maybe I'm wrong on this one, but as I recall you cant get to contacts so easly)
- A very long and thus very hard to use app drawer
- Cant use your own mp3 ringtones (might be wrong on this one correct me if I'm way off here)
- No real multitasking
- multitouch is implemented poorly
Android
GOOD
- Great looking interface, live wallpapers etc
- A lot of apps and games (best YouTube app ever, Skype is working fine etc.
- I just cant live without the universal search option I use all the time, so where ever you might be in the interface you are one button click away from your contacts or google search
- Has available GPS navigation software from Google maps to iGo etc.
- Great social networking apps but those options are not so deeply built in to the OS like in wp7
- USB and wifi tethering is working (not in my build for some reason but I can live without this option)
- USB flash mode working
- Multitasking
- The best camera on HD2 (a lot better than the one on the original rom)
- multitouch wirks just fine
BAD
- Battery life is bad even on phones designed for Android, let alone on ported ones
- No direct outlook sync ( a big minus for me, but not necessarily for everyone)
So, if you look at the pros and cons, the result is - your HD2 is the most functional with Android, then with good old WM 6.5 and at the end with WP7. WP7 needs to be polished, regardless of the quality of the HD2 port which is very close to the real thing. Mango update is coming this fall, but a lot of things are not addressed in it and MS need in my humble opinion another year to fix all missing bits...
Well i think everyone has said pretty much everything there is to say, i think all the bad points have been mentioned
all i would say is this,
WP7 is a different OS, its nothing like previous OS platforms on the HD2, you cant compare them as they are for different markets.
I was/am a heavy WM user, WM is a beast of an OS and there is nothing it cant do except games, had Microsoft not been completely shafted by OEMs, QC and the networks, WM would have been a modern day contender, as it is however it may be a beast of an OS but it isnt pretty and its laggy.
I tried Android for quite a while and i just found it fragmented, apart from games which isnt something i use there is little to know benifit over WM, yeah it looks good and is smoother but i just got board with it to be honest. its less functional than WM but is smoother, the UI is not much of an improvment in my opinion.
So i tried WP7, to start with i thought it was crap, very little functionality to the other two, very smooth, but then something odd happened, the UI just grew on me, the intigration of the OS became somthing i thought was great, it took about 2-4 weeks before i suddenly realised i absolutely love the thing, so i tried dropping back to Android for a while and i hated it.
in short, WP7 changes the way in which you use the device, the best and most accurate way of looking at it is, Windows Mobile is the best pocketPC platform out there (not including games) Windows Phone is the best SMARTPHONE out there, there is a difference, i have a second device which runs WM now, im longing for the day someone can port WM to an SD card
Yep, couldnt agree more with dazza. WP7 is all about PHONE experience! Most of us are not app freaks and use our PHONE primarily as a communication device, not a gaming platform or a replacement for a compass or a GPS device... All those devices do a better job on their own than any hybrid will so bottom line, WP7 takes me where I wanna be - focused on communicating with people - I can quickly get to my contacts, check what they've been up to, read and send emails and texts, send them a pic or two, surf the web a bit... And no other OS right now does that better, faster and cooler than WP7. Period.
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Yep, couldnt agree more with dazza. WP7 is all about PHONE experience! Most of us are not app freaks and use our PHONE primarily as a communication device, not a gaming platform or a replacement for a compass or a GPS device... All those devices do a better job on their own than any hybrid will so bottom line, WP7 takes me where I wanna be - focused on communicating with people - I can quickly get to my contacts, check what they've been up to, read and send emails and texts, send them a pic or two, surf the web a bit... And no other OS right now does that better, faster and cooler than WP7. Period.
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Only if the battery life is better Its only 6 hours from the last full charge and the battery is already down by half
Roxxx
Yeahhh..
I think WP7 on HD2 is awesome!
I also at first thought, that its missing functionality, like file managers, copying files to device and back etc.. The GPS and so on.
But i must say, WP7 is awesome, the integration into Facebook, the browser, the mail client is fantastic. It was not made to be like WM 6.5 etc, this is something on its own....
And it is really growing on all of us
Looking forward to the updates, and more software to be added.
We just have to live with the short battery life!
Windows Phone Device Manager
Also....
I am not sure if some of you guys have checked this out?
http://www.touchxperience.com/
This is a beta project, and its awesome! Allows custom ringtones, copy files to device and back. This is going to be great.
Try it out!
Hey to all,
I now have a great choise - choosing the mobile phone with fits best for me. But the problem is; I dont know with one it is.
I was able to test all these Phones for now;
-HTC HD2 (owning now)
-Nokia N900 (owning now)
-Desire Z (may sell HD2 / N900 and buy one)
-HTC 7 Pro (same as Desire Z)
But I dont know with Device fits best to me, so I would be happy to get help from you.
I really looooooooooove the N900 because of its abilities of chatting via Facebook, ICQ, MSN, ... Also I like 48 Gigs of Storage and the Look&Feel of Maemo. But thats all. I hate that there are no Apps like Shazam or Soundhood, Pzizz and so on, no Social Network clients (dont like Sociality), no Games (installed Sims 3, PS1 games are tooo CPU intensive) and its sometimes very slow, no HD recording and slowly but sure I do no longer like the UI itself.
The HD2 has a f**cking great screen, but FB Chat / other Chat-Apps are sucking (IMHO, there are always get closed after few mins of inactivity) and Android is not completely "adult" on HD2 now. Okay, I can install Win7 but why? Games, thats only Point And Windows Mobile? naah not a choise for me...
The Desire Z also uses Android, but I think its verry laggy on Desire Z. All in All, Android is some kind of laggy feel (at least the Sense, and when I have an android Phone, it MUST have Sense). And again the missing chat Programs are a big "Maybe-No-Go" here... Also the HW Keyboard sucks like hell. Feels like im Typing on Gum
The HTC 7 uses Windows Phone - with says nearly all. I love playing Games on it, but thats nearly all. Okay, I also love the HW Keyboard (like I do on my N900), but this closed Source-No-Messenger-no real Multitasking Thing (and some more things) is a no go for me...
So, please, I REALLY could need your help. If you have any questions or If i Should clarify something just tell me here or PM me
Thanks!!!
And sorry if there are any mistakes, I am from germany
Robin
The Mango release of WP7 allows for multitasking and for Facebook chat. I'm not sure if you like the multitasking, but it seems to work well enough.
To use Facebook Chat on WP7, go to messaging and swipe left to "online".
Looks like there's an opening for a good QWERTYphone then. In the UK there aren't many good ones, specially not on contract. The Desire Z is not sold on contract in the UK due to reliability issues. I am interested in the Dell Venue Pro (Android edition) but in the UK only the Winmo7 version seems to be prevalent. If someone hacks the W7 version of the phone to run a clean android rom then I'd get one in an instant as they are frequently discounted due to their age.
Since the N900 doesn't have the rich android ecosystem going on I can't recommend it despite me liking it very much. If you weren't bothered about apps it would be perfect. My go-to phones for chat are the Nokia candybars like the E71/E72/E5/E6 etc but Nokia are currently attempting to write them out of history due to their entire software division being monkeys.
The HTC HD2 will probably be much better if you find a rom/radio rom with better connection stability. For what it's worth I have one, and when I installed NexusHD2-Gingerbread V2.8 rom things got much better than more recent ones. Your mileage WILL vary, it just requires a lot of reading and experimentation.
I believe you should wait, the pendulum seems to be swinging back to QWERTY slider phones with 4" screens so your choice will be increased early next year - a few good options should be available.
anseio said:
The Mango release of WP7 allows for multitasking and for Facebook chat. I'm not sure if you like the multitasking, but it seems to work well enough.
To use Facebook Chat on WP7, go to messaging and swipe left to "online".
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yeah I know but MS is sooo stupid - every time the device goes to StandBy WLAN turns off... -.- (And thats not the only thing with annoys me on Windows Phone 7 "Facebook chat" and "Multitasking" )
drachers said:
Looks like there's an opening for a good QWERTYphone then. In the UK there aren't many good ones, specially not on contract. The Desire Z is not sold on contract in the UK due to reliability issues. I am interested in the Dell Venue Pro (Android edition) but in the UK only the Winmo7 version seems to be prevalent. If someone hacks the W7 version of the phone to run a clean android rom then I'd get one in an instant as they are frequently discounted due to their age.
Since the N900 doesn't have the rich android ecosystem going on I can't recommend it despite me liking it very much. If you weren't bothered about apps it would be perfect. My go-to phones for chat are the Nokia candybars like the E71/E72/E5/E6 etc but Nokia are currently attempting to write them out of history due to their entire software division being monkeys.
The HTC HD2 will probably be much better if you find a rom/radio rom with better connection stability. For what it's worth I have one, and when I installed NexusHD2-Gingerbread V2.8 rom things got much better than more recent ones. Your mileage WILL vary, it just requires a lot of reading and experimentation.
I believe you should wait, the pendulum seems to be swinging back to QWERTY slider phones with 4" screens so your choice will be increased early next year - a few good options should be available.
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First; Thanks
After reflashing the Radio everything works fine now... Happy with that
Yeah but the E6 for example uses Symbian With I think is even worse then Maemo is...
I would immediatly stay with the HD2 if there would be 2 Things - HW Keyboard (okay, not that bad) and a Telepathy Integration for it... Like N900 - it has so reeeally great Integration of Skype and ICQ without any additional Apps... The HTC integrated "FBChat" App - horrible...
"Early next year" - My birthday is on Janurary 12th Its a bit really "early" but I can say that I would like to have some money for a new mobile phone (ouuh my mum will kill me - "WHAAAT? Another new mobile?" ;D )
Mhhhm I am just comparing N900 vs HD2 (Android) now... Both are next to me and I am comparing some Functions...
Will post some of my "result" here (I am damn tired but dont want to go sleeping already).
"HD2" means HTC HD2 with Android WITH HTC SENSE installed. "Android" means the Same!
Lets start;
Boot - doesnt matter... Both okay, I think (havent tested it though)
N900 needs longer to boot. But I can boot (natively) Ubuntu, some kind of Android and Maemo... All together.
HD2 can take Android, WM 6.5, WM7 and Ubuntu (emulated)... Okay, "native" Ubuntu better then emulated one. But emulated one better (in case of functions) then native... Damn I think HD2 wins here.
User Interface;
N900 UI is very polished and clean, everything works fast, but it looks a bit old if compared to Sense 3.5, Also its resistive Touchscreen just make some "old school feel" (but is BEST in winter while using gloves or while its raining). Want to start an App? Click, click and after max 3 Secs - App starting... After max of 6 secs App loaded and ready to use. great!
HD2 UI is reeally Eyecandy to me. I love the LockScreen with all these big Icons, the colors and Sounds. I love the Widgets of favourite Contacts. While I am writing about widgets - N900 is better choise there. You can "widgetise" everything on 1 of your 4-12 Homescreens. Contacts, Favourites of Browser, Programs, Settings, real "Widgets",... With HD2 you can do Groups of Contacts, Messages, Mail, Music, Weather, Calendar and more..But everything looks more nice and more "stylish" then on N900. N900 again everything is really intuitive. The User Experience is incredibly great and intuitive, with Android I sometimes need to think "uuhm, wheres that Setting now?" - NEVER done on N900.
Browser: I think, N900 browser has been beaten. Flash on N900? Lame... YouTube on N900? Hangs and I nearly always need to FC the Browser... Really pity. Pages need long to load (if compared to HD2), but when they are loaded they look as on the Desktop (but no Text Reflow DAMN). FireFox for Maemo is no longer continued (FF for Android is) and so we will never see great new functions on our N900s. Android though have much more "potential". Firefox is still developed and supported, and other browsers may follow. Okay, not Chrome and Opera I think, but the integrated browser is fast, reliable and displays everything how I want it .
Apps: My Must-have-Apps for a Mobile Phone are:
-Good Facebook Support (Pictures, Status, All Contacts, Chat)
-Calendar (multiple Reminders I dont overlook or forget, multiple Calendars)
-Games (okay, I only want Angry Birds, Doodle Jump, Fruit ninja)
-Good Email App
-TeamViewer
Facebook Support;
N900 fails here (some kind of). N900 syncs your Contacts, syncs your pictures, Birthdays, Emails and "Homepages" (WHY?!) of your FB contacts. okay. And Facebook chat is best ever! Greatly integrated and nothing I can say against it. Never was unreliable (it more was the opposite - I am at the PC and EVERY Message my N900 beeps but sadly it doesnt sync outgoing Messages ) But where are Status Updates? Regular Updates? Posting possibilities? okay, Sociality is good but really slow, sluggish and buggy. I cant post any location where I am as example.
Calendar
Both the same... GREAT!
N900 Calendar - its more easy to miss a Appointment, but because of the great Home Widget and always if I hear the Calendar tone I immediatly STOP everything I do and do the thing whats on N900 display (some kind of hypnotic) it WORKED everytime and I never missed an appointment. But no Google Integration. Whenenver my N900 will be lost - my Appointments are, too. And last time I tried to use Emering, I screwed up everything.
The HD2 Calendar is perfectly synced with Google, looks really great, and if I want to it reminds me 20 Times! so also there I will NEVER miss a Appointment, When I see the great Animation of Lockscreen from HTC Sense when I have a apoointment I immediatly fall in Love with HD2 again...
Games: N900 fails again. A really bad Doodle Jump CLONE, no Fruit Ninja, bad Sims 3 (only play it on Charger) and Angry birds is okay. Also I think graphics arent the best
HD2; okay, Games arent that much / great here also, but my favourites are all there so - won this round!
Email
N900 wins here. Best Email App I have ever seen. Formatting, Pictures in Email (HTML Email), Attachments, ... some FCs ( -.- )... But all in all its best ever!And easier to write with the integrated Hardware Keyboard!
HD2 Also a great Mail App, but kinda not often using it for writing (no HW keyboard).
TeamViewer - essential for me, missing on N900, available for HD2 - HD2 wins!
Okay, App comparison finished. well, not completely. The N900 has some more cool Apps like automatic Profile switching (Helpful at school), Debian via chroot (OpenOffice, GIMP (!!) ), a TV-Out (not an app but great anyway), Battery and Speed Patches, FreOffice, ...
HD2 has Apps like Google Voice Command (GREAT for writing SMS), pzizz, Facebook, Instant Heart Rate, Shazam, SoundHood, SMS Backup (to Google) and much more... Thats one of my MAIN ASPECTs why I am so confused... I would just miss this apps on N900... -.-
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If you read all until here - THANKS! Would LOVE to hear your opinion! And tomorrow I will correct any mistakes I have done!
I think you should install WP7 Mango on your HD2. The software keyboard is just awesome in WP7. Facebook with chat, multiple calendars and email with overview support.
In relation to;
-turning off WiFi in StandBy, not changeable
-not good for Facebook chat
-not very costumizable
-will be slow on my Class4 Card (right?)
-not able to write proper Word Documents (Images for example WTF is it not possible to insert IMAGES into a Word Document from Office?
-to be continued as soon as I flashed and tested it (beginning now)