Apps 2 SD Users - Hero CDMA General

How many people are running their apps from their sd card? And if so have you ran into any problems?

I am. No problems.

jonnythan said:
I am. No problems.
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That was a quick response..How many apps do you have installed?

I am using it too. I have about 30 apps. No problems since I've started using it.

ejqr5 said:
I am using it too. I have about 30 apps. No problems since I've started using it.
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Can I ask what ROM you guys are running?

Diplomat2387 said:
That was a quick response..How many apps do you have installed?
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Around 50 or so. I'm running Gumbo 1.5c at the moment.

jonnythan said:
Around 50 or so. I'm running Gumbo 1.5c at the moment.
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I am running Fresh 1.1

i am as well and im using Gumbo 1.5c full

kratos313 said:
i am as well and im using Gumbo 1.5c full
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I might try Apps 2 SD tomorrow..Hopefully everything goes okay..

I think I might give it a try as well.

funcrusher said:
I think I might give it a try as well.
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Let me know how it goes if you do it before me..

about 15 apps, Use them daily, no issues, Gumbo 1.5c bare

at least 50, I've only had problems with things not holding their settings. Agenda Widget for example must have its calendars assigned after every reboot. I have had apps FC after mounting/unmounting my SD card on my computer, especially if the apps were running in the background (sleeping) when I connected to the computer.

I'm running Pancake 0.1.

What is the point of running from SD? Is it faster or something?

i was running apps2sd for a while, just because when you flash a rom (that supports it) all your apps are back, so you don't have to re-install them.
but now i just adb pull my app folder then push it back after the flash. it only takes a second i think the apps run better from the main memory anyway.
i only use around 15-20 apps so it's not like i'm going to run outta space on my phone memory.
apps2sd was really made for the g1, (i think) they have a tiny amount of storage memory. we have 160 MB so that's a ton of apps.
in my opinion its unnecessary unless you start to run out of space

I use it and notice a definite difference. I usually run about 30 3rd party apps. I am currently on the 2.1 Eris-based ROM.

thedudejdog said:
i was running apps2sd for a while, just because when you flash a rom (that supports it) all your apps are back, so you don't have to re-install them.
but now i just adb pull my app folder then push it back after the flash. it only takes a second i think the apps run better from the main memory anyway.
i only use around 15-20 apps so it's not like i'm going to run outta space on my phone memory.
apps2sd was really made for the g1, (i think) they have a tiny amount of storage memory. we have 160 MB so that's a ton of apps.
in my opinion its unnecessary unless you start to run out of space
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1+ btw how i do that sorry iam newbie

thedudejdog said:
i was running apps2sd for a while, just because when you flash a rom (that supports it) all your apps are back, so you don't have to re-install them.
but now i just adb pull my app folder then push it back after the flash. it only takes a second i think the apps run better from the main memory anyway.
i only use around 15-20 apps so it's not like i'm going to run outta space on my phone memory.
apps2sd was really made for the g1, (i think) they have a tiny amount of storage memory. we have 160 MB so that's a ton of apps.
in my opinion its unnecessary unless you start to run out of space
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+2. Can you possibly tell me how to pull the entire app folder? What is the location? I'm a bit of newb as well. ._. Please and thank you!

To pull the entire app directory with adb, you would issue a command like:
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adb pull /data/app/ c:\backup
I also use apps2sd, with about 25 apps right now. Came in really handy when I had to get a replacement phone. I kept my SD card, was on vacation, downloaded the SDK and a ROM to my laptop, inserted the SD card and all of my apps were there. It's not entirely necessary, especially if you aren't installing that many apps, but if you like it you like it. Note, it may become more necessary with the 2.1 builds, as they tend to be larger than the 1.5 builds.

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Laggy Phone

My phones lately been acting funny
programs have been fore closing and its been laggy and idk why i did put any new apps..
dont know what iv did different i never did anything i have dxtop but it never did anything before
my phones moded and rooted and all the other stuff JF released
If you have a lot of apps or if you're running low on internal phone memory, it would cause your phone to lag. There is also a couple more reasons, I just can't think of em at the moment. =/
You ned task manager. Look which programs you've got running, may be you don't need some of them. I know for sure that "phonebook" app and "mybackup" app are some serious memory hogs, my phone was acting all goofy, uninstalled those two-problems are gone and forgotten.
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You ned task manager. Look which programs you've got running, may be you don't need some of them. I know for sure that "phonebook" app and "mybackup" app are some serious memory hogs, my phone was acting all goofy, uninstalled those two-problems are gone and forgotten.
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And i happen to have both of them..........well how do I check my internal memory..I have dxtop memory widget and always says around 24 to 26 mb free of memory..so u think i should remove those 2 apps? i mean my back up i can always reinstall but i have that nadroid backup thing when i got my phone rooted to do a full system backup to my sd card
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And i happen to have both of them..........well how do I check my internal memory..I have dxtop memory widget and always says around 24 to 26 mb free of memory..so u think i should remove those 2 apps? i mean my back up i can always reinstall but i have that nadroid backup thing when i got my phone rooted to do a full system backup to my sd card
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Don't quote me on that but....
24-26 mb of memory is probably available for app installs (that would be system/data/data part of your phone). Running programs occupying different part of the memory, think of it as a RAM memory on the computer. Android has it's own program to decide which processes will run in the background and which wont but it's too immature at the moment. It'll get better with time.
With that said, phonebook, mybackup and in your case dxtop are all running constantly on your phone along with gmail, myfaves (whether you like it or not), maps, messaging, and bunches of others. Something is coded in them to prevent android to shut them down. Lock 2.0 is another one that runs in the backround all the time but it's not that memory hungry and doing just fine by itself.
The best way to check what's running is to download "Task Manager for root users" from the market (it's free). It will show which programs are running at the time. Click on any program and it will show the option to shut that program down. but if you shut down phonebook and hit refresh you'll see that it will restart itsef.
I suggest that you get rid of the phonebook, it looks very very nice but can't make it default so what's the point? Backup is waste of space too, you can back up all the info other ways so again, what's the point?
Good luck, I'm sure you can figure it out and reclaim the speed that G1 is capable of. Sorry for taking so long to get to the point.
Oh yeah, Imeem will run in the background indefenately as well.
borodin1 said:
Don't quote me on that but....
24-26 mb of memory is probably available for app installs (that would be system/data/data part of your phone). Running programs occupying different part of the memory, think of it as a RAM memory on the computer. Android has it's own program to decide which processes will run in the background and which wont but it's too immature at the moment. It'll get better with time.
With that said, phonebook, mybackup and in your case dxtop are all running constantly on your phone along with gmail, myfaves (whether you like it or not), maps, messaging, and bunches of others. Something is coded in them to prevent android to shut them down. Lock 2.0 is another one that runs in the backround all the time but it's not that memory hungry and doing just fine by itself.
The best way to check what's running is to download "Task Manager for root users" from the market (it's free). It will show which programs are running at the time. Click on any program and it will show the option to shut that program down. but if you shut down phonebook and hit refresh you'll see that it will restart itsef.
I suggest that you get rid of the phonebook, it looks very very nice but can't make it default so what's the point? Backup is waste of space too, you can back up all the info other ways so again, what's the point?
Good luck, I'm sure you can figure it out and reclaim the speed that G1 is capable of. Sorry for taking so long to get to the point.
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Well got rid of phone book and my backup since i can always back up my full system
and I already have advance task manager and i can close all the applicatiosn running but not proccess or services with that said I always have close everything app and run that once in a while
I noticed that with dxtop(trial) that every time I went to the home screen, either by hitting home button or backing out of an app, there was a lot of lag. And this is before the little countdown timer the trial has in it.
Uninstalled and am in the process of trying out the other two home replacement apps. Dont have that problem with them. If you are still having issues might try unistalling dxtop.
I probably shouldn't even ask because it was covered many times but.... do you have your caches on sd and if not do you clear them often?
how do i close programs running in the background. i know i have to hold home, but wat do i do to close them.
borodin1 said:
I probably shouldn't even ask because it was covered many times but.... do you have your caches on sd and if not do you clear them often?
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I have not heard this..where and how?
kay11224 said:
how do i close programs running in the background. i know i have to hold home, but wat do i do to close them.
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Same here I can close applications in backgrounmd but not services or processes
tanner2007 said:
I have not heard this..where and how?
Same here I can close applications in backgrounmd but not services or processes
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1) Anyone?
2) would anyone happen to know which home alternative uses more memory?
dxTop
http://dxtop.wikidot.com/
or
Open Home Lite
http://betterandroid.wordpress.com/
(scroll down to second post)

Today I hit a milestone.........

502 apps installed in my HTC Hero.
The phone runs absolutely flawlessly. Everyday.
I'm filling it up to see if/when it falls over. Then when Android 2 is released I will format and only install the apps I really want.... (about 495 of them )
As you can see from my sig, you don't need a lot of space at all for apps, not sure how much I've used but I think I could add another couple of hundred apps yet.
So what is your favorite app(s)?
Hmmmmmmmmm, there's a question.....
Appmanager
Atrackdog
Geobeagle
Hyperspace
Xgalaga
A world of photo
What the Doodle!
Ethereal Dialpad
Magic Marker
Ball
Audio Manager
More Icons Widget
Floating Images
Keepscreen
Sportypal
To name a few!
Amdathlonuk said:
502 apps installed in my HTC Hero.
The phone runs absolutely flawlessly. Everyday.
I'm filling it up to see if/when it falls over. Then when Android 2 is released I will format and only install the apps I really want.... (about 495 of them )
As you can see from my sig, you don't need a lot of space at all for apps, not sure how much I've used but I think I could add another couple of hundred apps yet.
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You know that is cheating right? Using Apps2SD on a 32GB memorycard you probably can download way more than 700 apps... try doing that WITHOUT using Apps2SD...
Apps2SD force closes on me 24/7
How many apps can you get on a stock htc hero and what is the available user memory
Thiesen said:
You know that is cheating right? Using Apps2SD on a 32GB memorycard you probably can download way more than 700 apps... try doing that WITHOUT using Apps2SD...
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I'm not cheating, it's 'tweaking'.
I only have an 8Gb SD Card and only 700Mb is Ext3.
It's like having a car and playing eith the engine a little. Nothing wring with that.
I think with stock Rom, I would get around 200 apps, however it does actually depend on the app size ultimately.
Ok thanks what is the internal memory available on a stock rom like the g1 has 74mb
M..N said:
Ok thanks what is the internal memory available on a stock rom like the g1 has 74mb
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Stock memory is around 170Mb but the Hero runs a lot different to the G1.
It seems to keep the same speed no matter how full it is.
However my G1 used to slow terribly once it started to get fully loaded.
can you check the total size of your /data/app folder, and divide that by the number of files in it?
for example:
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adb shell du -hs /data/app/
123.8M /data/app/
adb shell ls -1 /data/app/ | wc -l
124
Data/app is:
342 Mb
507 files.
Interestingly, all of the protected apps are .zips in the folder.......

CDMA Hero Bug, can only install 70 apps before crashes on boot

I just figured out what has been plaguing my Sprint Hero from day 2 that I got it. Apparently others have the same problem. You can only install a certain number of apps, before the device will start crashing on boot.
Is there a fix for this, beside having to flash a custom ROM?
thanks
sorry, wrong post
I don't think even ROMs fix it, the number seems to be different for everyone, some people can get to 100 others can barely get past 50. Are we sure its a limitation of the CDMA Hero and not just Android in general?
I've heard it was only Sprint Hero devices that have this bug.
I ran into the issue for the second time just last night. I heard the phone buzz behind me on the desk and when I looked, I saw that it had spontaneously rebooted itself. Upon starting though, just as what I've run into before, all core apps would FC.
Took the opportunity for some long overdue house cleaning and deleted a stack of apps that really aren't used and I'm back in business.
It's not really an app limit so much as an apk limit I'm not sire what the number is, but custom roms often remove a lot of unwanted apks raising the limit of apps before you experience the big.
fx17 said:
I just figured out what has been plaguing my Sprint Hero from day 2 that I got it. Apparently others have the same problem. You can only install a certain number of apps, before the device will start crashing on boot.
Is there a fix for this, beside having to flash a custom ROM?
thanks
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Are you using apps2SD? If not then you are using the internal memory to store all apps and this memoery is not unlimited. Maybe you are going too low on internal memory and that's what's causing the crash.
Im running apps2sd and I had the problem the other day. I had approx 60 apps. When it happened I had about 37mb free on the internal memory and 3 gb free on SD
Does the same thing on custom ROMs and Kernels that I've tried. No idea what it is.
agentofboom said:
Im running apps2sd and I had the problem the other day. I had approx 60 apps. When it happened I had about 37mb free on the internal memory and 3 gb free on SD
Does the same thing on custom ROMs and Kernels that I've tried. No idea what it is.
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Well well..... that sucks...
Same issue
I am having the same issue and believe it has to be something within the hero causing this issue! I have used android since day 1 coming from the g1 and mt3g and I never had this issue and I have had as many as 150+ apps on both. Wiping the ext3 partition fixes it or removing a bunch of apps. My advice would be to invest in the paid titanium backup so that when your phone shuts of or reboots you can wipe ext3 and just have titanium restore back ups or remove unused apps.
I believe this may have something to do with either htcs hacks to Android or the 2.6.27 kernel for enabling cdma on Android 1.5.
I know this isnt helpful, but why would anyone need 50+ apps. Unless all you do test apps, there is no need. Heres a tip, delete the ones you don't use.
I used to have this problem when I first got the phone. I got all app-happy, especially with the free ones. It seemed that 70 was the limit. But I found out that problems really happened after installing too many at once.
I think the combination of rooting and rebooting every so often between app installs has allowed the system to stabilize itself. Right now I'm running Fresh 1.1 on the new Gumbo ram-hack kernal and my app count is at 95. I've got 21 MB free internal memory and the only thing that FC regularly is Swype. I've had warnings that I was low on memory at around 12 MB so I just unloaded a few apps. But even then it was stable.
Yeah, mostly it was a byproduct of me being in an experimental phase and lazy about removal.
Took me forever to decide on which music player (still not totally pleased), news widgets, etc. I just figured id play around then clean up when the 2.X comes out.
Is there a way to really see the sizes of the apps and tally them up to see if its a size cap for .apks? It might be interesting to see if there is a correlation.
fx17 said:
I just figured out what has been plaguing my Sprint Hero from day 2 that I got it. Apparently others have the same problem. You can only install a certain number of apps, before the device will start crashing on boot.
Is there a fix for this, beside having to flash a custom ROM?
thanks
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There's a big thread on this over at androidforums.com i read a while back. If i can find it ill post it. No idea of thier solution.
odd, I've never had the issue. I've got over 80 apps, using apps2sd, and haven't ever had an error due to having too many apps.
it doesn't have anything to do with installing too many at once. I tried installing everything one by one, and still had the problem.
I think you can get to 95 now, because the fresh rom has fewer apk's pre-installed.
IIRC jmanley @modaco forums has figured out the total number of apks in /system/app /data/app and /data/app-private that the Hero will handle. It's not just the apps in /data/, it's the total number throughout the system.
He's a member here if the Verizon boys didn't drive him away completely in the Eris root thread.
gbhil said:
IIRC jmanley @modaco forums has figured out the total number of apks in /system/app /data/app and /data/app-private that the Hero will handle. It's not just the apps in /data/, it's the total number throughout the system.
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http://android.modaco.com/content/htc-hero-hero-modaco-com/301170/app-limit-on-sprint-hero/
I previously thought it was 186, but then I found 2 apks in /system/framework so I guess the total is 188.

Samsung Apps- memory hogs

My I9000 is very laggy. Not always, just most of the time.
Closing com.sec.android.app.samsungapps.una & Daily Briefings with TasKiller gets me back around 30 MB, available memory now back around 60MB & phone now useable.
I've found a couple of samsung apps in system/app, SamsungWidget_WeatherClock.apk is 8.9MB, I think that's the culprit. How do I stop it running? Do I just delete it? (I'd probably copy it to the SD card & backup just in case.)
Are there any others i should get rid of/prevent from starting?
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My I9000 is very laggy. Not always, just most of the time.
Closing com.sec.android.app.samsungapps.una & Daily Briefings with TasKiller gets me back around 30 MB, available memory now back around 60MB & phone now useable.
I've found a couple of samsung apps in system/app, SamsungWidget_WeatherClock.apk is 8.9MB, I think that's the culprit. How do I stop it running? Do I just delete it? (I'd probably copy it to the SD card & backup just in case.)
Are there any others i should get rid of/prevent from starting?
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I use LauncherPro so I don't (can't) use any Samsung Widgets. However, I was using touchwiz for a while, I didn't have many memory issues with it. If the widget is running you can just click and hold the widget and move it to the trash, you don't need to back it up (it'll still be installed). There are many other things running that the Samsung TaskKiller doesn't pick up, that said, Android from what I read and see myself doesn't need much more than 30-50mb free at any time (though when I'm going to start surfing and doing a lot of activity I do try to free up around 150mb, just incase) and if you happen to push the boundary it'll free up memory for you.
If you want to be able to kill more tasks get ATK (advanced task killer).
After what ive read android dont page memory the way computers do, when it runs out of working memory. Reason is lack of memory i guess. But with several gigabytes of memory in internal storage, whats the problem?
With winmo I had to share working memory with installed software (if not installing on sd).
robnil said:
With winmo I had to share working memory with installed software (if not installing on sd).
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No lah. Ram & rom, different.

Will my phone turn to toffee again after I install more than 130mb of apps?

Hi
I did a hard reset of my phone the other day and now it runs like lightning. I've slowly started installing apps again and all seems to be going well still.
However I read that without installing some sort of fix (which from initial reading seems beyond my technical skillset) after installing 130mb of apps the apps get put on to a much slower internal card, which causes the lag.
Given I have quite a few storage heavy games still to install (gameloft ones), will I hit crazy amounts of lag again as soon as I install over 130mb of apps?
The short answer is yes. The more apps you install, the more they will automatically process in the background, thus tax your system.
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The short answer is yes. The more apps you install, the more they will automatically process in the background, thus tax your system.
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But is the vibrant more susceptible to this than other android phones given the 130mb nand limit was what I was trying to figure out.
I'm correct in thinking that after 130mb of apps the whole phone slows down??
I have about 150 apps on my phone with a little over 1gig left of space. I'm not running any kind of lag fix because I find them to unstable at this point. I occasionally will get a sec or two of lag when opening an app but that's it. IMO its a really quick phone but it also depends on what apps you are running.
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But is the vibrant more susceptible to this than other android phones given the 130mb nand limit was what I was trying to figure out.
I'm correct in thinking that after 130mb of apps the whole phone slows down??
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No, All apps are stored on the Internal SD. There is a lag fix that uses the 130 dbdata (iirc) nand partition thats 130mb for appdata (not the actual apps).

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