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I'm not sure this is the correct place for this, but it seems the most logical to me.
http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/49052-microsoft-says-it-wont-abandon-windows-mobile-65
Microsoft recently announced that it won't stop or abandon WM6.5 because of the release of Windows Phone 7 Series.
Microsoft has reiterated that it will continue to support, ship and sell Mobile 6.5 alongside Windows Phone 7.
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this is just nonsense.
In another word, M$ won't stop you from buying wm6 if you want.
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I'm not sure this is the correct place for this, but it seems the most logical to me.
http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/49052-microsoft-says-it-wont-abandon-windows-mobile-65
Microsoft recently announced that it won't stop or abandon WM6.5 because of the release of Windows Phone 7 Series.
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Wondering how MS not abandoning WinMo 6.5. What else are they ganna do about 6.5 They abandoning 6.5 long time ago.......WP7 is just another iphone wanna be. Apple doing pretty good on that, we dont need MS for another iphone.
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Wondering how MS not abandoning WinMo 6.5. What else are they ganna do about 6.5 They abandoning 6.5 long time ago.......WP7 is just another iphone wanna be. Apple doing pretty good on that, we dont need MS for another iphone.
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wp7 doesn't have a filemanager, not really multitasking or like such things.. So tweakers wouldn't like wp7 very much. it's too iphone. for the tweakers (and some other guys ) they will sell wm6.5 alongside wp7
What a horrible move. Microsoft should try to get all WM6.5 users to upgrade to WP7 (discount for tradein or something?), then leave 6.5 dead.
WP7 is not an iPhone. It's the next generation of smartphones. I don't think you need a file manager if every hub / app is able to organise its files automatically. Unless you like running cracks and keygens...
WP7 has smart multitasking so the OS doesn't lag (well, you want full multitask and get the 6.5 lag amirite?). It freezes apps when they are in the background. So your game pauses and doesn't need to take up CPU for no reason. Browsers will probably be enabled to load in the background, music played in the background, etc.
The N97 got flamed because of the pathetic Symbian OS. I don't see why people think 6.5 is still competent.
What a horrible move. Microsoft should try to get all WM6.5 users to upgrade to WP7 (discount for tradein or something?), then leave 6.5 dead.
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You are ridiculous.
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It freezes apps when they are in the background. So your game pauses and doesn't need to take up CPU for no reason.
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PM me, if your wm7 device will be able to keep 7 days on 1 battery charge, like my 4 y.o. Asus.
It freezes apps when they are in the background. So your game pauses and doesn't need to take up CPU for no reason.
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You are ridiculous.
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PM me, if your wm7 device will be able to keep 7 days on 1 battery charge, like my 4 y.o. Asus.
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I'm ridiculous why? I said they should try. I was drawing parallels between the flamed N97 and 6.5; 6.5 isn't even flamed that much because everyone's given up on it.
I'm looking at peers running Android and iPhone OS and 6.5 is simply not competent. A screen tap is a screen tap. It should immediately register.
Don't flame just because you love your Microsoft. I support them too, but I support the change to WP7.
I have a 2-3 year old device that doesn't last 1 day. So there's your "WM6" argument dead.
Welcome to 2010. We charge everyday when we get home.
EDIT: You're running 6.1, so wow. I'm not going to argue then, since you don't seem to have much design taste.
What bothers me about WM7 is that MS seems to be taking the OS to Iphone OS version 1. While Apple is coming with a new OS that features multitasking, copy/paste because their customer base lamented these omissions, MS consciously chose to follow in their mistaken footsteps?
Doesn't make sense to me.
parallels between the flamed N97 and 6.5
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you should realize that parallelling phone and PDA i not good idea too...
I have a 2-3 year old device that doesn't last 1 day.
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Well, ask HTC about it. OMAP and 1 day lifetime? You need to buy phone, imho.
So there's your "WM6" argument dead.
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I meant that wm7 and its ADVANCED powersaving is jut propaganda bs.
Welcome to 2010. We charge everyday when we get home.
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I like to think that i do not need unneccesary changes. I am not marketplace user.
EDIT: You're running 6.1, so wow. I'm not going to argue then, since you don't seem to have much design taste.
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you know, do not judge me like that, plz..i did not need even wm05 to make my thoughts looking nicer, than your wm7. or your 6.5 http://pdaclub.pl/forum/pocket-pc-ogolnie/nothin'-at-all/. actually, 4 yr later, i am happy with 6.1ized wm 6.5 with cutoff bull**** you all like. do not teach me about taste.
sry for ot, g'night, g'luck.
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you should realize that parallelling phone and PDA i not good idea too...
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Both WinMo phones & N97 have a touchscreen, make calls (WinMo is a phone. Smartphone. Not PDA.), why can't I draw a comparison there?
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...Well, ask HTC about it. OMAP and 1 day lifetime? You need to buy phone, imho...
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It's an older battery now, but it never lasted more than 2 days. I use the touchscreen alot, full brightness, I use WiFi + data...because these are services that we use on smartphones these days. Do you save battery by leaving it in your pocket, to only pick up a call or reply to an SMS? Because then, why are you using a smartphone?
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Advanced powersaving? The new devices have vicious hardware. They burn more battery. And I never saw anything about powersaving for that matter - the MIX2010 conference highlighted the fact that they are building around the idea that you recharge everyday because the battery will go flat. Because that is the way it works in 2010. You want to charge weekly, then you stick with your old phone. I can expand my "no taste" argument to accommodate this - you don't want to change from old (to consumers and Microsoft) ways, and therefore you are not going to catered for by the mainstream.
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...you know, do not judge me like that, plz..i did not need even wm05 to make my thoughts looking nicer, than your wm7. or your 6.5 http://pdaclub.pl/forum/pocket-pc-ogolnie/nothin'-at-all/. actually, 4 yr later, i am happy with 6.1ized wm 6.5 with cutoff bull**** you all like. do not teach me about taste...
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No idea what you are talking about with WM5 - are you saying you prefer 5 to 7, and you actually like 6.1 in comparison to the phones of 2010 (therefore backing up my "no taste" argument)? And thanks for giving a link to a page in Polish. No, I'm not going to bother translate it, because I don't think I should adapt to the translate feature that is present in Google Chrome. By cutoff bull****, are you referring to the cutoff feel of the WP7 UI? It's a design cue that many have embraced, pretty much none have flamed since the release of Zune HD. Hence, your viewpoint is again the minority.
I have absolutely no idea what you are basing your arguments off, brother. Sorry if you are offended that I targeted your sense of taste, but why so touchy? Maybe you should go get a non-touch phone, better battery life.
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What bothers me about WM7 is that MS seems to be taking the OS to Iphone OS version 1. While Apple is coming with a new OS that features multitasking, copy/paste because their customer base lamented these omissions, MS consciously chose to follow in their mistaken footsteps?
Doesn't make sense to me.
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Copy & Paste is getting implemented, but in a far better way. MS needs to release the OS to OEMs, so they don't have time to implement it for release. It will come in an update. Link
I've stated how multitasking works in 2 ways - either running in background, or freezing in background. Picture Link Running in background only supports the default hubs and apps at the moment, but they are incorporating 3rd party multitasking in an update. Microsoft has never been great at meeting deadlines, but this isn't any way the fault of the OS. Link
MAybe......
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What a horrible move. Microsoft should try to get all WM6.5 users to upgrade to WP7 (discount for tradein or something?), then leave 6.5 dead.
WP7 is not an iPhone.
The N97 got flamed because of the pathetic Symbian OS. I don't see why people think 6.5 is still competent.
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Have to quote here:
"Microsoft should try to get all WM6.5 users to upgrade to WP7 (discount for tradein or something?), then leave 6.5 dead."
This doesnt seem like sense to me - we have many many markets over the world that are only just catching on with tech that UK and some Euro/US users have had for years.
Some countries will be using old OMAP processors and Windows 6.5 for a few years yet, some countries dont even have this kind of tech avilable anywhere!
Well off users with 1 year old OMAP crap tech will want to update to this new Gen - we were all sold duffers with the last 2 generations:
Rhodium, touch pro 1 all the others slow unweidly devices.
I can vouch for this personally, having had HTC tech (1 every gen) since HTC Canary smartphone was released in 2003.
My HD2 is what I would call useable for day to day people. My Rhodium is just to slow and prone to freeze even with newest ROMS and software. IF I gave, for example, my Mum a Rhodium she would go mad - like dial up internet, very frustrating when you have seen faster she expects things to happen straight away.
However, if a non tech savy person (my mum) was to use my HD2 they would have much less trouble even though its running windows mobile 6.5 - the user experience is so much easier and more comfortable. They dont need windows mobile 7, they just need decent tech powering their device.
"WP7 is not an iPhone. "
I think many people would disagree, it seems MS have taken EVERY cue possible from the last few generations of iphone when putting together their plans for this round of Windows 7 phone series - we will see what happens when new Xbox and PC OS is released how much further they will go with integration in newer builds (hopefully lots further!)
"The N97 got flamed because of the pathetic Symbian OS. I don't see why people think 6.5 is still competent."
Not entirely. The N97 runs S60 V5 (now known as Symbian OS ^1 or something) this is a limiting OS BUT.....the hardware of the N97 is where the trouble is. They removed the 3d Chip, the phone doesnt have enough RAM, Keyboard sucks compared to my Rhodium.
Samsung released their I8910 which ran same OS but had Milestone/Iphone 3gs tech inside it. I had one and browsing with Opera 10 and media playback on it was AWESOME!
Other firmware features did let the phone down (samsungs fault)
Nokia made history with N95 and other similar devices.
Such amazing, perfect devices for their time, similar to Iphone.
Everyone thought that the N97 would pick up where the N95 left off but it couldnt as they were splitting their Os's from S60 V3 over to Symbian Foundation and also Maemo...meego etc..
It would take a couple of generations before things settled.
Its going to be the same for MS with their 7 Series phones....They will need to run both OS's along side each other for a long while yet given the size of this world and their market divergance.
Maybe MS will do a similar split?>
7 Series for Media/social networing whores
Some sort of return to windows CE for more advaced users?
Maybe I dont care as Android will take over Windows Mobile 6.5 perfectly for me
I would love to know where tech will be in 10 years time!
Folding multi OS devices that change shape and beam holographic style!
I think things are ramping up to change very quickly, OS shelf life is going to shrink as hardare jumps ahead of it with increasing leaps.
Exciting lol!
Hey guys, just wondering if anyone knows if HTC will be releasing the 6.5.3 builds of WM on the HD2? I prefer this build as it is more finger friendly and looks cleaner. Also is the any Clean 6.5.3 roms out for the HD2?
Thanks in advance.
I don't think we gonna get any updates for HD2 for WM 6.5.xxx..!!!
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I don't think we gonna get any updates for HD2 for WM 6.5.xxx..!!!
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May I aks you why are you so sure? Does this apply to all versions, including T-Mobile US one?
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May I aks you why are you so sure?
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because MS want everyone to buy shiny new wp7 phones.
Does this apply to all versions, including T-Mobile US one?
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If T Mo US want to fork out a fat fist full of cash to MS, they might, but i'd give REALLY big odds that they wont. Why would they? they have sold out in the first week, thats their investment back, now all they have to do is sit back, wait for wp7 and start the whole circus again.
No one is going to offer upgrades, I suspect. The only way forward as i see it for 6.5.x is as a side line to the wp7. Maybe the 'business' range, alongside wp7 as the consumer range.
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Hey guys, just wondering if anyone knows if HTC will be releasing the 6.5.3 builds of WM on the HD2? I prefer this build as it is more finger friendly and looks cleaner. Also is the any Clean 6.5.3 roms out for the HD2?
Thanks in advance.
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I asked HTC, and they said that there are no plans on 6.5.3 release in near future.
Oh that sucks, ah well, that what you brilliant people are here for lol
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I asked HTC, and they said that there are no plans on 6.5.3 release in near future.
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That does it for me, now i'm realy going to flash my device!
I have waited for a new HTC ROM update and wanted at least 6.5.3 on my device or even better 6.5.5... SO!
AND flashing gives me a faster better device, so! Thanks! And THANKS HTC!
I sent message to HTC. I asked when we get a new WM 6.5.3 on our HTC HD 2. They wrote me that they nothing know about new ROM updates for HD2.... So we must waiting, but if we don't get new WM from HTC in near future I flash my HD2
What is the point of these builds then? the only phone i know which will have it is that nasty sony ericsson trying to be a blackberry.
Great! WP7S is out of the question, and now 6.5.3/5 is out as well...
I really expected to a more finger friendly OS on the HD2...
HTC and MS are really working hard to make their customer go and buy an iPhone...
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Great! WP7S is out of the question, and now 6.5.3/5 is out as well...
I really expected to a more finger friendly OS on the HD2...
HTC and MS are really working hard to make their customer go and buy an iPhone...
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I think they are aming for us to buy the new WinMo 7 phones...
I'll be surprised if there isn't another ROM release. The stock carrier ROMs are quite a way behind those on unlocked phones for a start and I imagine there's a risk of losing customers to the competition if support isn't seen to be provided. My guess is that the various 'flavours'' of HD2 will be updated so that they have the same OS and applications.
Windows Phone 7 doesn't look appealing to me and if I want a locked down phone, I'll get an iPhone.
What does the updates do?
what are you complaing about from what i see wp7 is not very good. it looks ugly i heard it doesnt have file copy/paste etc. why would you want a phone that you cant move your files around. this is the perfect phone because it has all the power of the new wp7 series phones and theres a need to develop new software/roms etc. i think this phone is sick mate. im sure pretty soon they will get android up and running. forget wp7 i looking forward to dual booting android which whichever rom i take the liking too. my point is stop complaining and enjoy the phone.
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what are you complaing about from what i see wp7 is not very good. it looks ugly i heard it doesnt have file copy/paste etc. why would you want a phone that you cant move your files around. this is the perfect phone because it has all the power of the new wp7 series phones and theres a need to develop new software/roms etc. i think this phone is sick mate. im sure pretty soon they will get android up and running. forget wp7 i looking forward to dual booting android which whichever rom i take the liking too. my point is stop complaining and enjoy the phone.
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This topic has nothing to do with WM7, This is about 6.5.3 which is an updated version of 6.5. Let not turn this into a 7.0 discussion.
Any news? How could be possible that we won't receive any new upgrade? Many manufacturers are upgrading their phones. Samsung Omnia II got WM 6.5.3, Toshiba TG01 will get Windows Mobile 6.5.5
Why HTC is so disrespectful of its customers?
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Any news? How could be possible that we won't receive any new upgrade? Many manufacturers are upgrading their phones. Samsung Omnia II got WM 6.5.3, Toshiba TG01 will get Windows Mobile 6.5.5
Why HTC is so disrespectful of its customers?
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They are, aren't they.
I enjoy hacking my phone but if the last update really is the last, I'll look elsewhere for my next phone. Mine still has bugs out of the box and I'd expect these to be addressed on a £500 device at the very least.
Leaving the HD2 in it's current state, with the underlying OS being touch unfriendly, is an odd decision. I wonder how long Windows Phone 7 will be supported. I fear another Vista. Will we be discussing Windows Phone 8 in a year's tIme?
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They are, aren't they.
I enjoy hacking my phone but if the last update really is the last, I'll look elsewhere for my next phone. Mine still has bugs out of the box and I'd expect these to be addressed on a £500 device at the very least.
Leaving the HD2 in it's current state, with the underlying OS being touch unfriendly, is an odd decision. I wonder how long Windows Phone 7 will be supported. I fear another Vista. Will we be discussing Windows Phone 8 in a year's tIme?
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Isn't that the point... WP7 will eventually lead to WP8, it's a moving target. If you want 6.5.3 or 6.5.5 you can install a cooked ROM that has it. The great thing is that... MS is continuing to develop the 6.5.X series and... the cooks are getting it to us.
My point isn't the inevitability of Windows Phone8, it's a question of how long 7 will be supported. Manufacturers seem to have forgotten that users have contracts with their phones and will need to keep them for 2 years or more before upgrading. The HD2 had very little support, leaving owners of this flagship device with an out-of-date machine after a few months. Other phone suppliers continue to provide upgrades to their ranges. I won't forget this when I need a new phone, especially since my phone still has bugs. HTC will lose customers. Whether they care about this or not is another matter but I'd aim to keep my customers in the current climate, even if I only sell each of them one phone every 2 years.
I'm waiting for a reply to my bug report.
We should all make some pressure on HTC.Send them e-mails, post on blogs, contact newspapers, etc etc...
HTC should change this their bad support. We buy a 600$ device and get a 6 month support, no upgrades (only bugfixes, and not for all bugs).
This is not what people expect from a company such as HTC.
Does anyone here think it possible, or perhaps even worth developing a windows MOBILE 7 rom for the HD2? Perhaps based on windows embedded mobile? Even better, does anyone care?
After seeing the Android rom working for about 5 minutes I'm more excited for that than Win7.
I wouldn't doubt if there are people making a Win7 ROM for the HD2.
Am I the only one who thinks that Winmo 6.5 Energy + Modded manila > Android ? Energy Winmo just looks and feels better... Androis is overhyped, but I may need to play with it a bit more.
I don't care for windows phone 7, but about the time wm 6.1 was released, i got excited for wm7. i thought it would be awesome. instead we get wp7. crap.
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Am I the only one who thinks that Winmo 6.5 Energy + Modded manila > Android ? Energy Winmo just looks and feels better... Androis is overhyped, but I may need to play with it a bit more.
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+1
I was with Android from 1.0 to 1.5 to 1.6 to 2.1 on my g1 and having switched to WinMo I do not want to go back. I am not intetested in Android or Phone 7 for my Hd2.
I have to agree with freeincolorado and silencer, android just doesn't cut the mustard. I finally loaded it on my TP2 and have been playing with it all weekend, and while there's a few things about it that I wish winmo had, I was still very relieved when popped my sim back in my HD2 this afternoon.
As for the original topic of this post, I feel extrememly confident that someone will try to to get wp7 working on the HD2, if only for the accomplishment. Even if it's never tried with any other existing phone, the HD2's hardware should certainly be capable, if the drivers etc can be made to work with it.
I like both OS of android and win mo. Both are open source and highly customizable. I just preordered the T-Mobile Vibrant but will be keeping my HD2 for work and will end up flashing some cool new roms on it.
I've been sticking with android because unlike Win Mo 6.5x, it's not a dying platform. It's completely on the rise with the upcoming Froyo and Gingerbread updates. Google has also promised even more updates in the future. I see LOADS of potential. The Android market is constantly growing along with XDA development e.g., CyanogenMod, etc..
But don't get me wrong I love Win Mo. It's by far and truely open source vs. android. I was surprised that I can already do things on my stock HD2 that a stock and unrooted android device can't (saving apps to sd, overclock the cpu, playing Flash etc). But with these forthcoming android OS updates, these features will finally be included.
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I don't care for windows phone 7, but about the time wm 6.1 was released, i got excited for wm7. i thought it would be awesome. instead we get wp7. crap.
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Well we got great devs here on our side so were gonna be just fine. I see a modified Win 6.75 coming out once WP7 is out. Taking key features and benefits from WP7 and merging them into Win6.5. Hell I'm running Kumars Classic rom and haven't had to reboot in like 10 days now. Then I see dual boot with an android port that works good but has a few bugs. Then I dream of possibly WINXP or a good UBUNTU running as a 3rd or dare it 4th os. With all the tablets coming out we may have many more OS options and choices floating around.
winmo 6.5 crushes android 1.6 imo...I Had a g1 running 1.6 and absolutely loved it, great device and great os..i use winmo 6.1 on a motorola mc55 for work so i thought i would hate the hd2 but compared to the motorola cliq which was my only android "upgrade" option from tmous at the time, the hd2 ran circles so I went with it and got the xt for the wife to compare...no contest hd2 ftw...she's still waiting for 2.1, moto delayed it again she's still at 1.5! haha . I do miss some android features but i just look at that huge screen and forget all about it...
i realize that many people want windows phone 7 for hd2, but this thread is really about windows mobile 7. I'm thinking photon. do you think thats possible?
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I like both OS of android and win mo. Both are open source and highly customizable.
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First off - Windows Mobile is NOT open source.
As for WM7 - I'm sure it will be ported to the HD2. The real question is will the GPS, bluetooth, and camera work with it properly - which is my complaint about Android. If those 3 things don't also work along with everything else (I *suppose* I could live without the FM radio) - then it's pointless as far as I'm concerned.
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Yeah i'm hoping he meant the platform is more open, not open source. Quite a difference there.
As far as platforms being open, Android and WinMo are probably on even playing fields. But WinMo probably has more seasoned developers/hackers that know a lot of the tricks with the OS
And actually WinMo may be more open as far as user rights, because google does have the ability to withdraw an app from their store and uninstall it from users handhelds remotely. I don't think MS has that ability from their app store, and they most certainly don't have that ability to uninstall apps loaded from downloaded cabs
Google has already done this once http://www.dailytech.com/Google+Use...+Removal+Tech+for+First+Time/article18843.htm Though it does seem legitimate to protect the users. whats to stop some app, say like DeCSS for decrypting DVDs being deemed illegal, and then google being forced to remove something due to a lawsuit, not because it is in any way is dangerous to a user.
It really rubs me the wrong way for a 3rd party to be able to uninstall and maybe even possibly remotely install code onto a piece of hardware that i OWN!
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Yeah i'm hoping he meant the platform is more open, not open source. Quite a difference there.
As far as platforms being open, Android and WinMo are probably on even playing fields. But WinMo probably has more seasoned developers/hackers that know a lot of the tricks with the OS
And actually WinMo may be more open as far as user rights, because google does have the ability to withdraw an app from their store and uninstall it from users handhelds remotely. I don't think MS has that ability from their app store, and they most certainly don't have that ability to uninstall apps loaded from downloaded cabs
Google has already done this once http://www.dailytech.com/Google+Use...+Removal+Tech+for+First+Time/article18843.htm Though it does seem legitimate to protect the users. whats to stop some app, say like DeCSS for decrypting DVDs being deemed illegal, and then google being forced to remove something due to a lawsuit, not because it is in any way is dangerous to a user.
It really rubs me the wrong way for a 3rd party to be able to uninstall and maybe even possibly remotely install code onto a piece of hardware that i OWN!
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i remember reading that on engadget. google *seems* to be acting in good faith to protect themselves from liability from apps that would violate certain copyright infringements and the like. but i just hope they would use this feature to get rid of all the trashy porn searching programs on the market. steve jobs wasn't joking when he made a comment about that.
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just hope they would use this feature to get rid of all the trashy porn searching programs on the market.
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what right do you or big steve or the chocolate factory have to decide what someone else can or can't search for? who defines "trashy porn"?
first step towards a fascist totalitarian state is controlling the populace's reading/viewing material.
first they came for the pornographers, and no one spoke up, because we werent pornographers
then they came for the app devs they didn't like, still no one spoke, because we arent devs
next they took control of the adding/removing of apps on devices they didn't own, and still we were silent,
when they come for us, who is left to speak out?
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google *seems* to be acting in good faith
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practically every horror story in history can be seen as acting 'in good faith' when viewed from teh correct (incorrect?) stand point. Good faith is no measure of goodness.
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what right do you or big steve or the chocolate factory have to decide what someone else can or can't search for? who defines "trashy porn"?
first step towards a fascist totalitarian state is controlling the populace's reading/viewing material.
first they came for the pornographers, and no one spoke up, because we werent pornographers
then they came for the app devs they didn't like, still no one spoke, because we arent devs
next they took control of the adding/removing of apps on devices they didn't own, and still we were silent,
when they come for us, who is left to speak out?
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its also my right to protect my kids who have droid phones from seeing those types of programs.google should at least have the devs place an "18 and up" disclaimer for these apps. i wasn't too happy to see my lil nephew dl and use one of these apps.
yea, but what does any of this have to do with windows mobile 7 (photon)?
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Does anyone here think it possible, or perhaps even worth developing a windows MOBILE 7 rom for the HD2? Perhaps based on windows embedded mobile? Even better, does anyone care?
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What do you think this would gain you vs. 6.5?
Perhaps more enjoyment of a longer lasting device?
....and FUN! But just imagine, working really hard to create something that no one gives a rats butt about. Thats why I posed the question, would it be interesting, would anyone even care?
Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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Specs are good, but hardware requirements are not met by the HD2, now what does that mean, well it means that HTC did not look ahead, and used the wrong button configuration on the phone, so it is outside the spec of what MS says is required for WP7.
So yes we are Officially screwed out of WP7 because of the buttons on our phones .....
I doubt MS is going to change their requirements for the very few existing WinMo phones that have the CPU and RAM to handle WP7.
The hard resetting you have to do every couple weeks may have more to do with WinMo 6.5.x than the fact that it's a custom ROM. I'm sure we'll get near-stock WP7 ROMs that will function much better than what we currently have. Don't lament before we even have anything on that front.
I don't think wp7 will even be a viable option for most of us anyways (at least the initial release). Very locked down, sounds a lot like the first iphone. I'm hoping they update quickly and open it up (at least every 2-3 months), but I wouldn't hold my breath.
That is why I decided to take the plunge with the hd2. Figured it would be a couple of years before I was ready to jump on wp7. (though that 1.5ghz snapdragon htc sounds interesting and apparently is coming to t-mobile...)
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The hard resetting you have to do every couple weeks may have more to do with WinMo 6.5.x than the fact that it's a custom ROM. I'm sure we'll get near-stock WP7 ROMs that will function much better than what we currently have. Don't lament before we even have anything on that front.
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Ow is it? Cuz now I still work with my HTC Raph100 with those custom roms I talked about. I'm hoping to unbox my Leo begin this week.
So are the roms better now for the Leo?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
When I go to the offical windows mobile 7 home page..the first thing I see is the HTC Leo!!!
p.s. Sorry for the image size :$
Greetz,
Fabian1985
im still trying to work out why anyone would WANT wp7 on their hd2. itd be like putting Windows 1.0 on an Alienware pc. im sure there will be custom roms if you wanna have a glorified Instinct, but just cause something is new doesnt mean its better. why would you want to cripple this powerhouse phone with that dumbed-down software? doyou actually WANT to be able to do less with it???
im still trying to work out why anyone would WANT wp7 on their hd2. itd be like putting Windows 1.0 on an Alienware pc. im sure there will be custom roms if you wanna have a glorified Instinct, but just cause something is new doesnt mean its better. why would you want to cripple this powerhouse phone with that dumbed-down software? doyou actually WANT to be able to do less with it???
The reason I want to have It Is this:
I read that Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on all the old previous versions, based on CE blabla (I don't know It exactly anymore) so there Is alot of old junk that is not needed anymore.
The new Winmo 7 is totally new so therefore It should be allot faster then all the previous versions.
Please tell me If I'm wrong..
Greetz,
Fabian1985
For me, tinkering is fun, but that is not the main function of my work device. I want it to work, and work well. If that means giving up a couple features, features which I can live without, then I'll play ball. WP7 has been built from the ground up with a very different goal than Windows Mobile, which had the original goal of bringing the PC to a PDA format. I don't need that, and the functionality that is associated with that goal gets in the way of usability for my purposes. If your use cases do not match up with what WP7 is capable of, so be it, but know that the vast majority of customers aren't tinkerers and tweakers.
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The reason I want to have It Is this:
I read that Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on all the old previous versions, based on CE blabla (I don't know It exactly anymore) so there Is alot of old junk that is not needed anymore.
The new Winmo 7 is totally new so therefore It should be allot faster then all the previous versions.
Please tell me If I'm wrong..
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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"alot of old junk" in WM 6.5? Oh yes - like copy & paste, and proper multitasking? If you think that's junk, you'll love WP7.
iPhone OS v1 was rubbish. v4 finally has most of what you actually need and what WM has had for years. Same with Android - the first versions were severly lacking in many areas. Only now is it coming into it's own at v2.2.
Anyone should be able to see that since it's a completely new OS, WP7 will be equally as rubbish as the iPhone and Android offerings were at initial release.
yes, BUT WM still misses a lot of stuff such as gfx libs for better programs...
like ballmer says... they need to lure Developers Developers Developers somehow...
iPhone is #1 because of apps... WM is last only because of apps... and WM7 is taking sooo long because MS's management SUCKS... they seriously need to hire someone better to get thier mobile dept straightened... look at kin... what it could have been if only those devs were still part of wp7...
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yes, BUT WM still misses a lot of stuff such as gfx libs for better programs...
like ballmer says... they need to lure Developers Developers Developers somehow...
iPhone is #1 because of apps... WM is last only because of apps... and WM7 is taking sooo long because MS's management SUCKS... they seriously need to hire someone better to get thier mobile dept straightened... look at kin... what it could have been if only those devs were still part of wp7...
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They put in Terry Myerson a bit more than a year ago, but thanks anyways for the un-researched comment. He's been spearheading the reset efforts in WP7. Some like him, some don't. I'll reserve and judgment until WP7 is launched and tested in the market.
This is a stupid and pointless thread.
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Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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Be patient and wait for WM Phone 7 to come out! Once it's out you / HD2 will get the chance.
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Well, yes it is now, did not start out that way, but a discussion is one thing ...
But when people have convinced themselves of something , and just want to argue the point it is no longer a discussion ...
1.) HD2 Specs are great, but HTC did not adhere to What MS has released as specs for WP7, so HTC screwed us out of an Official WP7.
2.) MS specs for WP7 were released(but not to the public) before the HD2 was , so MS is not inclined or obligated to change their specs to fit the HD2
3.) We actually have 1 too many buttons on the HD2 but None of them are the almighty "Search" button, so again the HD2 is outside the spec so no official WP7.
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Well, yes it is now, did not start out that way, but a discussion is one thing ...
But when people have convinced themselves of something , and just want to argue the point it is no longer a discussion ...
1.) HD2 Specs are great, but HTC did not adhere to What MS has released as specs for WP7, so HTC screwed us out of an Official WP7.
2.) MS specs for WP7 were released(but not to the public) before the HD2 was , so MS is not inclined or obligated to change their specs to fit the HD2
3.) We actually have 1 too many buttons on the HD2 but None of them are the almighty "Search" button, so again the HD2 is outside the spec so no official WP7.
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Actually, the Euro version of the HD2 was released before the announcement of WP7. Still, I'm not sure if HTC was made aware of the requirements by the time they were already far along in the design of the HD2.
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Actually, the Euro version of the HD2 was released before the announcement of WP7. Still, I'm not sure if HTC was made aware of the requirements by the time they were already far along in the design of the HD2.
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I had heard about the 3 button some time early last year, but you are right that may have been after the design and during the production phase of the HD2.
MS did not make an Official release of the specs till I think January of this year, I think that is when it was.
Either way , you can blame HTC, you can blame MS, but, it is true for any piece of technology, CPU's that keep changing sockets, Video Cards that keep changing standards, DVD/Blu-Ray standards the list goes, on ...
I mean providers are not going to change what they decide to to with regards to their specs and requirements just because people scream, I mean why can't I run Iphone OS on my HD2(not that I want to ), because it is not compatible, even though the HD2 out powers most Iphones, and just because Apple says NO.
I suggest, instead of getting all up in arms here, and bashing people for their views you contact MS and HTC and complain to them, not that it will get you anywhere, just as posting here is just gonna start a big discussion, but not fix it anyway.
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They put in Terry Myerson a bit more than a year ago, but thanks anyways for the un-researched comment. He's been spearheading the reset efforts in WP7. Some like him, some don't. I'll reserve and judgment until WP7 is launched and tested in the market.
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Yes, sorry I meant more like management a while ago... 1 year ago is still much after iPhone released... they should have done something like WP7 from the beginning and if management wasn't an issue, I doubt we would see two different teams for mobile in the first place: Kin and WP7... I do agree however, management is seeming much better now...
EDIT: also, for hardware keys, all we're missing is the search button... since wp7 will have windows button go to the tiles screen which is also the home, we can map the home screen to search (Kind of implying home page aka bing/search)? If they wanted MS could have easily added official support, but i am sure HTC influenced them to do that... since that would mean HD3 sales for them... ahh if only i were rich :-/...
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EDIT: also, for hardware keys, all we're missing is the search button... since wp7 will have windows button go to the tiles screen which is also the home, we can map the home screen to search (Kind of implying home page aka bing/search)? If they wanted MS could have easily added official support, but i am sure HTC influenced them to do that... since that would mean HD3 sales for them... ahh if only i were rich :-/...
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True, and I am sure some of the smart guys here will do just that for our custom WP7 ...
i've noticed in the last few weeks that new rom releases became more and more alike and basicaly no much novelty lately
chefs use the same packages and almost the same tweaks, meaning the roms are almost similar in performance. what differentiate them is just the looks, but that is a matter of taste and one can soon get bored by a certain look
microsft will probably drop 6.5.x after wm7 will be launched (very soon)
i tried few android roms on my hd2 and i can't say android represents an alternative for me
i assume it will be the same with wm7 even if people will port it to hd, considering the limitations
so, what do you think guys? are we in a dead point?
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?
thank you for sharing your opinions!
regards
microsoft has already promised further support for winmo 6.5.x, which is supported by the upcoming release of a 6.5.x industrial phone forth coming. With any luck, we will at least be able to get future ROM bases from them.
As long as WinMO 6.5.x is supported, I will continue using that in conjunction with Artemis ROM. Android is also not my thing and what I've seen from Win7, does not make me happy.
However, I think Artemis ROM is somewhat different to other ROM's
regards, Kuzibri
Winmo isn't just used in phones, you would be amazed at how many non-"phone" devices its used in by industry.
Did you know for example that the Ultra Baggage Reconciliation System uses windows mobile? Thats right, pretty much anywhere in the modern world where you fly from, your bags are scanned into an aircraft/uld using windows mobile!
Many other industries use it as well.... including storage, parcel couriers, mail companies, supermarkets, taxi firms ... the list can go on.
With this kind of user base and licensing, MS won't throw away Winmo quickly!
(MS have (probably) had a lot of financial success with WinMo over the years, its not just a phone!)
edit: i'm into systems integration and industrial automation, I have seen winmo installed myself in these environments and often used the devices.
You might consider SPB Mobile Shell 5.0 when it's available if you fancy a change..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNO7lL7g6pc&feature=player_embedded
http://spb.com/press/pressreleases/...-shell-5.0-for-manufactures-and-carriers.html
I'm hoping, with the birth of Co0kie's mod 2.0, that we may see a surge in ROMs.
I agree that for the last six months, most released ROMs have been "close to stock", which is fine, but there seems a limit on what tweaks can be made, and visually most are very similar.
But now I'm really hoping for loads of Theme-packs, novel uses of the homepage, new widgets, etc. I'm hoping that once 2.0 is finalised, these forums are going to explode!!
So far tho, there's just been some wallpapers, the "fore-skin" , and a few icon-packs. But hopefully stuff is brewing...
i think we are pretty much in a dead point. MS has probably promised to further support MS 6.x, but do you honestly think that that would be the case once WM 7 is out? I think the whole WM team is fully concentrated on the launch of WM7 and will be busy with further upgrades. i might be wrong but i don't expect anything from MS. frankly saying i feel that MS does not give a monkey's about WM 6.x users. If they did, they could offer a free upgrade of WM7 to HD2 owners. I know you will think about the 5 physical buttons, the new kernel and etc, but if the company really cared, that upgrade would not be a problem taking into consideration HD2's specs. We all bash Apple for whatever reasons, but you have to give credit to them for supporting even outdated iphone 3g with new iOS updates.
I understand MS when they require all phones to have certain specs, buttons etc.
The idea being that WP7 updates will work on all certified phones regardless of OEM, phone model, etc.
Consider this system continuing into the future, Windows Phone 8, 9 and so on - and the upgrade path will always be there...
Catering for other models doesn't make sense. That's what great communities like XDA are for.
(Having said that - I don't even have an HD2. I'm waiting to test WP7 before I decide if it's for me. If it isn't, I'll pick up a now cheaper HD2. That's why I'm watching these forums now - to see how fresh the HD2 options are and if you HD2 owners are still happy with your HD2's. Also, I've bought many WM6.5 apps in the past and it would be a shame to not be able to use them still on a nicer and larger model.)
I for one love the idea of being able to have both win mobile and android on the same phone just a boot away. It is the sole reason I just bought a HD2. I would love to see a version of Co0kie's mod 2.0 on the HD2 Android side as well. I'm a huge Android fan but the Sense UI on the win mobile HD2 looks much tighter and intergrated than it does on the Desire, Desire HD, or EVO. Icons scattered around 3, 5, or 7 screens is an eye sore in my opinion. If you think about it with every new release from HTC the HTC Android phones are starting to look more and more like the HD2's win mobile Sense UI version. Developers, here is a challenge. Make the Android side of the Hd2 look like the win mobile Sense UI side. The future of android will be widgets on the Screens and apps hidden away for use when needed until they can be intergrated into a far more attracted and collabrative widget. If you looks at the widgets that come with Launcher pro plus it is clears that they know this as well .
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i think we are pretty much in a dead point. MS has probably promised to further support MS 6.x, but do you honestly think that that would be the case once WM 7 is out? I think the whole WM team is fully concentrated on the launch of WM7 and will be busy with further upgrades. i might be wrong but i don't expect anything from MS. frankly saying i feel that MS does not give a monkey's about WM 6.x users. If they did, they could offer a free upgrade of WM7 to HD2 owners. I know you will think about the 5 physical buttons, the new kernel and etc, but if the company really cared, that upgrade would not be a problem taking into consideration HD2's specs. We all bash Apple for whatever reasons, but you have to give credit to them for supporting even outdated iphone 3g with new iOS updates.
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gotta disagree. There are too many enteprise type devices out there using winmo for it to just go away. As long as they are pushing 6.5.x as the enterprise base, then we will get driver updates, new bases to build on. We might not see anymore sense updates, but it's not getting completely abandoned yet.