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The hd2 is probably by far one of the most perfect windows mobile phones out there, I've had soo many before it and they were rubbish in terms of performance.
but, the quirkiest problems are really destroying my joy with this phone. I can't seem to get all the apps to work with multiple languages. I can't seem to get a decent battery life when I'm travelling, now I have an extra battery and a heavy Duracell battery pack.
Great camera, yet it's still having the same problems I've had since the beginning of wm phones (slow with low light conditions) and no 720p video recording. There are no decent applications for the life of me. (I've been ruined by that from the iphone)
I hate how WM7 looks, with no skinning allowed, I'm pretty positive I don't want colored boxes to be my home screen. Also the fact that it's receiving less and less support from developers everyday, it simply isn't catching up to anyone anytime soon. (I have the feeling it's going to be delayed, because of the kin disaster)
I'm thinking I'll be selling this phone in approximately 2 months. I'll sell it here if anyone would like it.
Thinking of getting the new Galaxy S series phone, best hardware around with a mature (but not ancient) operating system.
Note: I'm currently in the middle east thats why it seems I've posted this early, it's 3:45pm over here.
ehhhhh,,,, everyone wants something different in a phone. Personally I thought the tmo roms were rubish. I loaded some custom roms and like almost all my problems went away immediately. Not sure about other languages because I'm pretty stupid and can't even speak 1 properly. Support I wouldn't worry about. Yes many people are jumping ship and going to android development but we still have some of the best guys still working with WM. Also a reason we don't have the devs staying with wm is many of the programs are final and work perfect. Why make a 28th wm music player? Android is great and all but I don't see it as great as everyone says. Yes its fast and optimized but its almost a cross between WM and iOS. After every thing I heard about android I was quite surprised when my friends got them and had them locking up and glitching as much if not more then a wimo phone. I almost bought one till my coworker bought an incredible and basically killed his battery in 2 hours listening to pandora, then had to pull the battery after he checked his tweets. I also feel once WP7 comes out it will renew interest in coding for WM. I feel we will see the same stuff we saw in vista and XP where the coders took the best features of Vista and added them to the stable XP OS. I'm hoping we will get the cool WP7 roms and they can whip out the spatula's and blenders and get to work on a frankenstien super os.
The ROMs have saved this phone, but as an Android fanatic, the apps, and ease of discovery/installation of apps has ruined me.
I've got my phone posted and I'm hunting for someone with a Nexus One thats willing to trade with me adding some cash.
I'm not giving this phone away because hardware wise HD2>>>>>>>iphone/nexus one, etc. But if I can't get Android soon I'll be dropping this phone.
But thanks for all the help guys! Its because of this phones quirky issues I discovered this site! lol
4theU said:
The ROMs have saved this phone, but as an Android fanatic, the apps, and ease of discovery/installation of apps has ruined me.
I've got my phone posted and I'm hunting for someone with a Nexus One thats willing to trade with me adding some cash.
I'm not giving this phone away because hardware wise HD2>>>>>>>iphone/nexus one, etc. But if I can't get Android soon I'll be dropping this phone.
But thanks for all the help guys! Its because of this phones quirky issues I discovered this site! lol
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you know there are android roms out there for the hd2 right? granted, they BARELY WORK, but in a couple of months, we may be looking at a full blown army of HD2's running android
maxpower097 said:
ehhhhh,,,, everyone wants something different in a phone. Support I wouldn't worry about. Yes many people are jumping ship and going to android development but we still have some of the best guys still working with WM.
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I want a better phone, that's definitely what everybody wants. Not a half-a$$ed phone that goes for the same price as a phone that has god-like script that allows unlimited multitasking with no loss of battery or memory
I feel WMP7 is following the suit of the iphone, having a very limited way to customize, and having people to jailbreak it if they want the full potential of the phone, chasing update after update and looking for compatibility and cracks... that's why i left the iphone... (I had 2g but my family has a 3g and a 3gs)
I feel the android is king right now because it allows enough customization for developers to mess around with, and has great functionality out of the box without having to chase down problems.
Our family consists of 4 HD2s, and 2 iphones. I regret purchasing the hd2s since they have brought me more trouble than ever, my mother asking me about navigation while my brother and father require language packs THAT DOESN'T WORK.
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Also a reason we don't have the devs staying with wm is many of the programs are final and work perfect. Why make a 28th wm music player?
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Well, wm6.5 for example, no decent games, no decent applications MADE FOR IT SPECIFICALLY. Before, I thought backwards compatibility is a positive, I'm quickly realizing that it's the worst negative. Companies are getting lazy by creating something thats made for a wm2003 but compatible up to WM 6.5.... how is that even possible? At least upgrade the graphics for newer phones.
HTC is even embarrassed by wm6.5, they skinned everything from top to bottom.
HD2 was dead on arrival in my book, it packs a punch in hardware, yet it will be obsolete within months.
I'm sorry if I sound like I'm trying to burn anyone here, I really appreciate the work everyone has done. I donated money and time testing, commenting and helping.
Metallic-Force said:
I want a better phone, that's definitely what everybody wants. Not a half-a$$ed phone that goes for the same price as a phone that has god-like script that allows unlimited multitasking with no loss of battery or memory
I feel WMP7 is following the suit of the iphone, having a very limited way to customize, and having people to jailbreak it if they want the full potential of the phone, chasing update after update and looking for compatibility and cracks... that's why i left the iphone... (I had 2g but my family has a 3g and a 3gs)
I feel the android is king right now because it allows enough customization for developers to mess around with, and has great functionality out of the box without having to chase down problems.
Our family consists of 4 HD2s, and 2 iphones. I regret purchasing the hd2s since they have brought me more trouble than ever, my mother asking me about navigation while my brother and father require language packs THAT DOESN'T WORK.
Well, wm6.5 for example, no decent games, no decent applications MADE FOR IT SPECIFICALLY. Before, I thought backwards compatibility is a positive, I'm quickly realizing that it's the worst negative. Companies are getting lazy by creating something thats made for a wm2003 but compatible up to WM 6.5.... how is that even possible? At least upgrade the graphics for newer phones.
HTC is even embarrassed by wm6.5, they skinned everything from top to bottom.
HD2 was dead on arrival in my book, it packs a punch in hardware, yet it will be obsolete within months.
I'm sorry if I sound like I'm trying to burn anyone here, I really appreciate the work everyone has done. I donated money and time testing, commenting and helping.
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Using custom ROMs, the hd2 is superior to the iphone 3gs or Droid in my experience. i have only used those two other phones to compare.
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Using custom ROMs, the hd2 is superior to the iphone 3gs or Droid in my experience. i have only used those two other phones to compare.
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While I agree the phone is superior, the apps/ or lack of apps for this phone and its ****ty OS are going to be the death of it.
Even with the custom ROMs, I still have quirks like dropping 3G coverage, text messages coming in out of order, apps crashing, occasional restart (admittedly rare with the custom ROMs)
I have spent HOURS just to get this phone to do what it should do out of the box. And now that its finally working great, I discover it was pretty much in vain because I can't even fill cookie's home tabs with apps that I want and would use.
I think it really just comes down to WM is not as user friendly as Android or iphone. They have basically taken the computer out of the phone and made it super easy for anyone to install anything. I don't know what you guys are talking about with android phones and battery life. All the android phones I've seen running HD2 specs kill the battery in half the time of the HD2. I see it everyday at work when I'm the only one with a phone at the end of the shift. Now about your 3G issues that sounds like your carrier or location issues. I'm rock solid (H) 24/7 365. Take into account how android going to be when they get upwards of 500 phones on the market and glitches and bugs. WM runs on thousands of phones with minimal bugs. Android from what I've seen has about the same amount of bugs but with many fewer phones. iPhones do tend to be less or non glitchy because they only support 4 phones, much like their PC's. I think if you take the time to properly hook your HD2 up and learn a bit more about these new gen phones you'll be happy. You need to search out WM apps, but there are literally tons of them out there to do anything you could imagine.Most of these new inovation droid and iOS are claiming to invent have been on WM for ages. Please please please try out Kumars rom, experiment with a couple different tmo radio's for your area, and keep track of what is setting of your bugs. Usually you just need to change one program or setting and it fixes itself.
Going on like 16 days without a reboot! Yeeehaw. My tab slider does have a touch of lag though now but I'm gonnna hold out and see how long I can run it without a reboot.
One more thing, people with preformance issues have found replacing the SD card with a fast one works wonders. I haven't tried it yet but I am gonna toss a 8giger I have lying around in it to check it out.
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While I agree the phone is superior, the apps/ or lack of apps for this phone and its ****ty OS are going to be the death of it.
Even with the custom ROMs, I still have quirks like dropping 3G coverage, text messages coming in out of order, apps crashing, occasional restart (admittedly rare with the custom ROMs)
I have spent HOURS just to get this phone to do what it should do out of the box. And now that its finally working great, I discover it was pretty much in vain because I can't even fill cookie's home tabs with apps that I want and would use.
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How many apps do you want? How many apps do you need?
I have about 500 apps in my WinMo download folder and about 50 on my phone, don't use a third of them ...
Shear number of apps do not make them better .. Now I am not bashing the Android, it is a good platform, but the "Appstore" argument is so Iphone-ish.
I am not going to try and "Talk You Into", keeping your HD2 it is your phone you need a phone you can use, if the HD2 is not for you then it is not, BUT it is not a ****ty OS, that might be your opinion, but for the people that use WinMo on a daily basis and want the power of and flexibility of the WinMo OS it works great for them.
Android, simple interface, great, fast , fairly stable, locked down, big brother back door, MUST have gmail account to activate the phone, so that "Big Brother" can access your phone remotely.
WinMo, More complicated interface more like a portable PC than a Phone, customizable right down to the OS by the user, no external account needed, no "big brother" install apps you want and not have them removed, as of June 2010 Microsoft still has a 90.18 market share of PC's, so WinMo is directly compatible with 90.18% of the PC's in the market.
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How many apps do you want? How many apps do you need?
I have about 500 apps in my WinMo download folder and about 50 on my phone, don't use a third of them ...
Shear number of apps do not make them better .. Now I am not bashing the Android, it is a good platform, but the "Appstore" argument is so Iphone-ish.
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Apps like "fring", yeah we have that app... from 2005. Tt doesn't have video conferencing... that's a major feature missing.
It's as simple as that, we have the same apps, but they are outdated and lack many features that we'rent possible before.
How is the "appstore" argument so "Iphone-ish" thats the worst argument I ever heard. It's soo much more superior than what we have now.
You sound like a person that steals applications more than he buys... 500 apps, yeah and you bought them? I highly doubt you bought 5. App stores are a godsend for developers, they make a decent amount of money and it protects their investments, encouraging them to create more applications. That's why the app store is so successful. You're only complaining since you've barely bought any apps for the PC or your PPC, so you find the app store "iphone-ish" w.e that means.
I admit I'm being too harsh for no reason, and I also admit I don't usually buy them, but for decent applications I do happily purchase.
These are the only decent applications I use often, but I wish there was more, and I wish the prices were more reasonable, 30$ for an app? are you serious? The prices for the ppc applications are overblown. Spending over 100$ on applications on a phone is a little ridiculous. I haven't spent that amount on applications for my laptop.
- Handy Safe Pro (bought it twice, for different phones)
- SPB Traveller
- SPB TV
- SPB Backup (Fantastic application)
- SPB Wallet (Waste of time and money)
- Office Mobile (Hell no I didn't buy it, can't believe they actually started charging for it)
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Android, simple interface, great, fast , fairly stable, locked down, big brother back door, MUST have gmail account to activate the phone, so that "Big Brother" can access your phone remotely.
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That's another poor argument, "Big Brother" or google is already pretty much in your life. Why do you think the google advertisements are all about websites related to what you search for or websites you visited in the past.
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WinMo, More complicated interface more like a portable PC than a Phone, customizable right down to the OS by the user, no external account needed, no "big brother" install apps you want and not have them removed, as of June 2010 Microsoft still has a 90.18 market share of PC's, so WinMo is directly compatible with 90.18% of the PC's in the market.
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Has anyone complained about "google remotely removing apps" I'm sure google has other reasons why it has that capability, apple and palm have it too... and guess what? wmp7 is going to have it as well. The future is less and less private, this is something we will have to deal with, it's not some evil conspiracy.
Google is compatible with 100% of the computers since it doesn't even need one, so what are you getting at?
sell it, buy android phone
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So....
How much do you want for your crappy phone? Let me know. I might know of someone you can pwn it off on. they would love you long time.
2 months and it's theirs
maxpower097 said:
I'm pretty stupid and can't even speak 1 properly.
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I love how some people hate the HD2 and others love it. It's funny to hear people's stories, because it seems almost random, the chances of you having an HD2 that works flawlessly or doesn't work at all...
I came from the rooted G1 and I love this phone. Rooting android and flashing custom ROM's became nothing but a headache for me. My phone would never work right and every time I flashed a new ROM (with dozens of "flashed ROM, it's FLYING, fastest ever!!!" replies in the threads getting me all hyped up) phone would run smoothly for maybe a day but after that nothing but hang's, random reboots, f/c's, etc...
With my HD2, it's been the opposite: OS runs smoothly, I can pretty much do what I want (except for stable flash support in Opera, for some reason that still alludes people...none of those opera builds with flash support ran as well as stock opera and fixoperaflash is all buggy..very irritating) and I don't have to continually reboot or wipe the phone.
Yet I read people's comments that talk about how the phone is virtually a big paperweight right out of the box...go figure...
tresanus said:
sell it, buy android phone
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Well, since my stock HD2 has had none of the problems this person mentioned and has actually been a very good phone why sell it? Obviously, there is a variable here that is not common with all HD2's, so why give up so easily?
Wait till you get your new one, use the stock 2.13 and see how that goes. If you still can't stand it, then try cooked ROM, and if you still can't stomach the site of that 4.3" screen, then go ahead and sell it...
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Metallic-Force said:
I want a better phone, that's definitely what everybody wants. Not a half-a$$ed phone that goes for the same price as a phone that has god-like script that allows unlimited multitasking with no loss of battery or memory....Well, wm6.5 for example, no decent games, no decent applications MADE FOR IT SPECIFICALLY. Before, I thought backwards compatibility is a positive, I'm quickly realizing that it's the worst negative. Companies are getting lazy by creating something thats made for a wm2003 but compatible up to WM 6.5.... how is that even possible? At least upgrade the graphics for newer phones.
HTC is even embarrassed by wm6.5, they skinned everything from top to bottom.
HD2 was dead on arrival in my book, it packs a punch in hardware, yet it will be obsolete within months.
I'm sorry if I sound like I'm trying to burn anyone here, I really appreciate the work everyone has done. I donated money and time testing, commenting and helping.
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I can definitely agree with Metallic-Force on most of his arguments. Even though this phone can do just about anything and everything, and even though it can run smoothly with custom ROMS, and even though it has awesome hardware......I just still can't look past the fact that the apps for this phone looks like absolute crap. Not only are there limited apps made for the HD2 specifically, but most of the apps that we can get for this phone (via marketplace, omarket, or warez) looks like the sh*tiest graphics I've ever seen on a mobile phone. I wish HTC would skin all the apps available for this phone as well as they did for the OS. I'm not even talking about the "crazy 3d" games that rock on this phone (cause I don't care for them), I'm talking about simple apps or games like Pandora or Moorhun. Microsoft or HTC needs to invest more money into the devolopers if they have to to make this OS more appealing app-wise. That way we can all finally say how great it is to own a WM phone.
OK, done venting.
Stable Android.
See post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=729495
I don't see whee you guys are getting android phones are so bullet proof. Everyone I've seen has reset problems and lock up problems. Thats just gonna keep getting worse as they release new phone after new phone. Personally on wimo I can't live without.
1. PSX emulator,
2. Core Player,
3. Mortplayer
4. Hava Player
5. PDF reader
6. Wifi Router
7. GPS weather Radar
and lots more. When iphone or android can run a 2gb divx with AAC audio without charging $20 for an app call me. Till then its wimo.
lol... I'm going be receiving my hd2 this week, and your ditching it. It's funny, but android isn't that awesome the people make it out to be. That's why I'm going back to windows mobile ( windows phone).
Anyway, good luck.
Basically I just want something that'll last a day and won't just die quick like my G1. I really wanted to just skip out on the data plan and just get the 20$ unlimited text plan, but for some reason Blackberries REQUIRE the data plan and the cheaper spectrum just don't look as good.
So I'm stuck with Android, and well I just don't know what to decide. I love having a keyboard, so I was looking at the My Touch 3G slide, but then I saw the HTC HD2 which is pretty big, but just looks plain awesome.
The problem here is that it doesn't have a physical keyboard and I haven't really tried the on screen text alot, is it easy to use an on screen keyboard? I have a contract with T-Mobile so they'll give me that "2 years expired" discount.
I love having alot of apps (which I don't know if the HD2 has a dedicated app store to the scope of the android market), like taking high-res pictures (though it's not a MUST), I already have an iPod so music is set, but the battery life is also very important. I don't really care about size though.
The HD2 looks very awesome, but I don't know if I should just stick with an Android.
The on screen keyboard it nice and the best keyboard you can find on a non-apple device, as for the apps, Windows Mobile is lacking in that section, BUT, if you have a look in the Android Development thread for the HD2, you can have both WinMo and Android 2.2 FroYo running on the great phone that is the HTC HD2.
EDIT: Also, I am using Android on my HD2 to reply to your post, and its greeeaaat!
Sent from my HTC HD2 running DarkStone HD2Froyo v1
Wow, really? That's awesome if it can run Android!!
If I install android, can I still install apps to the SD card and such? Is getting Android on the HD2 safe and easy?
I'm actually pretty scared, I jailbroke/routed my G1 but it took quite awhile for me to get it right.. If the HD2 can run Android nice and or near perfect I'm settling on the HD2.
mr_billionaire said:
The on screen keyboard it nice and the best keyboard you can find on a non-apple device, as for the apps, Windows Mobile is lacking in that section, BUT, if you have a look in the Android Development thread for the HD2, you can have both WinMo and Android 2.2 FroYo running on the great phone that is the HTC HD2.
EDIT: Also, I am using Android on my HD2 to reply to your post, and its greeeaaat!
Sent from my HTC HD2 running DarkStone HD2Froyo v1
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I have a SERIOUS disagreement with your statement that WinMo is lacking in the apps department. There are literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of applications made for WinMo. Just because they are not on the Marketplace, doesn't mean that they aren't there.
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What kind of apps?
I had alot of fun messing around with soundboards, games, camera FX's, and other stuff like translators, shazam, and weird stuff. I just like having a variety of stuff available at disposal for some weird reason >_>
Also thanks for the replies guys, really appreciate it.
ashasaur said:
I have a SERIOUS disagreement with your statement that WinMo is lacking in the apps department. There are literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of applications made for WinMo. Just because they are not on the Marketplace, doesn't mean that they aren't there.
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Ur right, there are hundreds of apps for WinMo, but android has thousands. and to the OP, Android runs completly off the SD card so all the apps are stored on the SD card as well as all the data and does not touch the HD2's NAND memory so you can dual boot WinMo 6.5 and Android 2.1/2.2.
It is easy to run Android on the HD2, jus put the files on the SD and run the two programs and ur set.
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I dunno. The OP really sounds like he's a android fan. I've got nothing against that. Windows Mobile is not meant for all people and at time users making the change from iphone or android can find it difficult to adjust to the HD2. The keyboard for the HD2 is not great. I would recommend that you stick with an android OS phone such as the Vibrant or whatever it's called. But if you do wish to get the HD2 I've got a sticky with how to flash your phone videos, link in m sig.
This is tough, I was planning to get the phone today but I decided I wasn't ready to make the choice yet.
They have this "get 2 smart phones for the price of 1" offer which is why the My Touch 3G was a big choice for me so my little brother could get his phone updated as well, but I'd have to cancel the line (since it's for NEW customers) and re-open and change my number which seems stupid.
This is a hard choice
Vibrant vs HD2. I'm still torn between the two since they are similar except one has a bigger screen but no native android, and one has native android but doesn't have a big screen in comparison. I'll be honest here, I love free apps but I don't know if you can root the Vibrant and manually install apps (Confirm or Deny).
Still though.. I'm a bit torn >_> Arghh, why do these phones have to be so damn sexy?
so
i currently have the slide 3g that in theory i would really like to sell and pick up a newer vibrant or g2 but in reality i dont think anyone is gonna buy it
so i am left with a opportunity to trade for a hd2, but i am having my doubts
i know it can do both android and wm but it seems to have alot more quirky issues and i see alot of these phones for sale on craigslist.
so if the slide is updated as promised to 2.2 with sense, what would be other reasons to swap phones?????
sorry didnt mean to post this i was tryong to read similar threads!
Well the HD2 is much more powerful than the slide as far as specs are concerned, likewise the builds of Android it runs run much better than they do on the Slide. The HD2 has a bigger, higher resolution screen. And it runs WinMo.
I personally had the HD2, and once I switched over to the G2 I was amazed at what I missed out on. If you want hella features, keep the slide. If you want... a big screen.. Get the HD2 (or a Vibrant).
gaarry said:
I personally had the HD2, and once I switched over to the G2 I was amazed at what I missed out on. If you want hella features, keep the slide. If you want... a big screen.. Get the HD2 (or a Vibrant).
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what exactly are hella features
i thought since it would run froyo i would have access to the market and all programs that can run on android devices?
kkeller416 said:
what exactly are hella features
i thought since it would run froyo i would have access to the market and all programs that can run on android devices?
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You would have access to everything your Android phone will do. You just have to find an Android build that works well for you. They aren't perfect yet, although it sounds like some are pretty close. Even cooler you can dual boot WinMo or Android... Best of both worlds really. Can't dual boot another OS on an Android phone, as far as I know...
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You would have access to everything your Android phone will do. You just have to find an Android build that works well for you. They aren't perfect yet, although it sounds like some are pretty close. Even cooler you can dual boot WinMo or Android... Best of both worlds really. Can't dual boot another OS on an Android phone, as far as I know...
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I'm not trying to bash WinMo as I did like it, but what exactly does WinMo have on Android? Please enlighten me.
WinMo has, in my opinion, ease of expandability. IE, EVERYTHING about WinMo can be tweaked, moved, removed, or just plain changed in some way, all right out of the box, no convolutated(or in the case of the G2, temporary) rooting process required. WinMo has a better corporate install base of course. WinMo being a derivative of Windows of course, makes it so that alot of Windows programs have a WinMo port, the best of which being emulators. The emulator scene on WinMo is just phenominal. Give me time, i've got more.
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WinMo has, in my opinion, ease of expandability. IE, EVERYTHING about WinMo can be tweaked, moved, removed, or just plain changed in some way, all right out of the box, no convolutated(or in the case of the G2, temporary) rooting process required. WinMo has a better corporate install base of course. WinMo being a derivative of Windows of course, makes it so that alot of Windows programs have a WinMo port, the best of which being emulators. The emulator scene on WinMo is just phenominal. Give me time, i've got more.
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the only short experience with windows mobile was with a tmobile Dash
and in my opinion was horrible as well as very difficult to navigate and deal with. however that may have been a earlier version of that software.
android seems to have the capability of being "tweaked, moved, removed, or just plain changed in some was," just like wm software just a bit different i guess it comes down to how much time you want to learn a new thing.
i just want to make sure that the andriod phone i have now can be duplicated in the hd2 phone, and im not loosing out on the features i have now such as sense and andriod market and some of the google apps
For the most part yeah, you will be getting if not the same experience running Android on the HD2 that you would on the slide, but prolly a better one because of the superior hardware. Most if not all Android builds for the HD2 feature the Market and Google apps built in.
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I'm not trying to bash WinMo as I did like it, but what exactly does WinMo have on Android? Please enlighten me.
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Did I say that it had something on Android? I was saying that it can run Android and access the market, etc. Plus you can dual boot it with WinMo.
WinMo with Sense and CHT is pretty awesome in my opinion... More dumb apps or games would be the only thing that I can even think of that Android has over WinMo. I'm not really into games and stupid apps that I don't need. My HD2 does everything that I need it to do.
WinMo is super solid for business and everyday use. Having that with an Android dual boot is even better... Best of both worlds is better than only having an Android option IMHO. I'm into nerding out, so I find WinMo satisfies my geekyness. Flashing ROM's, Radios and doing tweaks are fun.
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Did I say that it had something on Android? I was saying that it can run Android and access the market, etc. Plus you can dual boot it with WinMo.
WinMo with Sense and CHT is pretty awesome in my opinion... More dumb apps or games would be the only thing that I can even think of that Android has over WinMo. I'm not really into games and stupid apps that I don't need. My HD2 does everything that I need it to do.
WinMo is super solid for business and everyday use. Having that with an Android dual boot is even better... Best of both worlds is better than only having an Android option IMHO. I'm into nerding out, so I find WinMo satisfies my geekyness. Flashing ROM's, Radios and doing tweaks are fun.
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I admit I loved flashing ROM's, radios, tweaking. But it was just too plain for me, no apps, not much social networking. I'll admit it is perfect for a businessperson, but for me, and my priorities, Android successfully satisfied me. I know that it could have been dual booted, but running off a SD Card was kind of iffy to me. WinMo has the customization down, but no apps. Android has apps, and some customization. It just goes down to personal preference I guess. I mean I loved both devices, but Android just suited me better. Plus I like my real keyboard haha.
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I admit I loved flashing ROM's, radios, tweaking. But it was just too plain for me, no apps, not much social networking. I'll admit it is perfect for a businessperson, but for me, and my priorities, Android successfully satisfied me. I know that it could have been dual booted, but running off a SD Card was kind of iffy to me. WinMo has the customization down, but no apps. Android has apps, and some customization. It just goes down to personal preference I guess. I mean I loved both devices, but Android just suited me better. Plus I like my real keyboard haha.
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I've been eyeing the G2 and thinking about pickup up one for sure... Right now I've got the HD2 and an Iphone 2G 16GB. I gave my old G1 to my girlfriend. I agree that running Android off of the SD Card isn't my first choice, but I think it's OK... I only want a G2 because I'm a total phone nerd and like to have new stuff. Probably end up with a W7 phone eventually too.
I'm thinking about buying this phone (total noob here, never had android before)
Can someone please explain the term of bricking further, is it just the phone not being to start so you have to recover everything, or is it gone forever (or until you get it serviced)
I would just like to install android 2.1 (2.2 would be even better, because I'm the kind of guy that likes a lot of apps and stuff, and the memory doesn't seem sufficient...) Is the 2.2 still a beta, so you can have almost everything that you have in the regular version (I heard the camera and the radio do not work, I don't really need the camera but it would be nice, radio is useless IMO so I don't need that)
So is there a way that if I do everything in the guides correctly, there is like almost no chance of "bricking" the phone...
And I've seen a video of a guy that put the HTC clock with weather on the phone, is that risky at all or...
Thank you in advice and sorry for so much reading material
This phone is awesome and cheap. I can definately recommend it! About bricking:
At the moment I'm changing ROMs frequently. Actually I THINK you can't really brick it (I might be wrong tough).
Installing the custom 2.2.1 or 2.3.2 (which has just been released) is actually very easy and there are easy tutorials for this. If you can read, you can install the ROMs.
On Android 2.1 there is a App2SD-Script. It installs every App on the SD card, so you should have no problems with memory. On 2.2.1 and 2.3.2 there's a bulit in feature to move apps to SD card.
About the HTC-clock: I assume it's just an app, and there's no chance to brick your phone with it. It's probably this app: http://www.appbrain.com/app/fancy-widget/com.anddoes.fancywidget
The only downside of the phone (for some people, not for me) is the resistive touchscreen that doesn't support multi-touch. I don't need it anyway, and the screen is very responsive and good
So I'd say buy it!
I agree, this is so cheap and I bought it as my first phone but now I'm really good with it.
Android is open source so all hacking and things are easier
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I agree with both of them... for the price, you can't go wrong. And the possibilities seem to be endless.
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Thank you all very much, I'm definitely buying it , I just wanted to know about the version of android, but I've heard from someone from my country (Croatia) saying about how he updated his to 2.2 and not having internet access, so I'm gonna go with 2.1 and app2sd or link2sd...
Wow, he must have picked some very bad rom ... i have android 2.3 CyanogenMod 7 and everything works. Check the "GT540 Optimus Android Development" section and you will see the topic...
Well I managed to brick one of these bad boys last week when flashing. But its easy enough to get replacements.
If I had a bigger budget I wouldn't go for this phone but its s quality choice for its price.
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Well peeps...
I am quite unhappy with the Xperia Play...
let me explain..
The xperia x10i was my first Android smart phone & it brought me a lot of joy simply bcos it was an amazing phone, especially after jumping from the Symbian pary.
the first few months were really great, but then the SE antics began..
Really ruined the party for me with super slo-mo update releases and stuff.
Being a fan of the PlayStation series, i really wanted to get my hands on the Xperia Play hoping that the problems with SE are sorted what with bootloaders unlocked & on time updates etc etc.
BUT, the phone itself fails to deliver...
at least am not satisfied with its performance.
i picked up the play & the incredible on the same day... handed the play to the wife so she too can jump on the android bandwagon...
the phone is super sluggish, keeps hanging, apps freeze ending with the phone having no solution but a restart.
i have reinstalled the firmware at least 3 times using repair option AND fresh installs.. also had one update from sony...
the problems just don't go
i was really hopeful of a better phone matching the specs on paper with regular updates...
thoroughly disappointed with the Play & SE...
just wanted to check if am the only user with these concerns & frustrations or am part of a larger 'never SE again' group
You may have a cheap SD card. Mine runs great. I picked up a 16gb card and move all the games and apps to the card through Apps2SD app.
If you have a different brand of SD card to try then try that.
lol.. so the problem could be that Sony gives off crappy memory cards with their devices?
Am currently using the standard box 8gb MMC...
To add, there isn't much of on the card or phone anyways.
Stock apps such as messaging and dialer freeze up...
I have the U.S. version that runs stock Gingerbread and the phone flies...you probably have a bad phone...I'd bring it back or send it back and get a replacement (or as has been suggested), try a new SD card.
My guess is a lot of the instability is due to the sony launcher. You could try something like launcher pro or adw launcher and see how that goes. My Xplay runs smooth, with no crashes or hangs. I don't know if it's because I installed a generic firmware (ie no carrier bloat), or because of the alternate launcher I use.
I had problems with my first play but it wasn't the same problem. After running intensive games the wireless, bluetooth, dual pad and power buttons stops workjng. I have to remove the battery to have it all working again. Rogers replaced my phone yesterday and I am 100percent satisfy with it. It is using the stock memory card. You should try rooting the phone and freezing all the bloatware that is causing all the unnecessary slow downs.
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hmm.. the launcher seems to be a valid point.
Swapping the IS memory card with the play's and check if there is a difference on either phone should be good to see..
Haven't had that problem either
Mine is pretty smooth, except for a few rare spots in some games.
Way better than my old OC'd 1.1Ghz Droid running Gingerbread.
Mine was working fine, but started to have problems as i installed a lot of apps. Many of them don't let you move them to the SD.
Now I'm having a problem with the texting/messaging app locking up every time i send one. If i clear off some apps it runs okay. But then I'm forced to get rid of apps I use on a daily basis. This lack of phone storage seems to be the cause of many of the Xperia play's problems.
I might give that app2sd a try, but doesn't that require a rooted phone? I also saw a post here somewhere about moving apps to the sd without root. Might give that a try...
Why the heck did they only put 512MB on the phone? Memory is relatively cheap right now. I don't get it...
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Mine was working fine, but started to have problems as i installed a lot of apps. Many of them don't let you move them to the SD.
Now I'm having a problem with the texting/messaging app locking up every time i send one. If i clear off some apps it runs okay. But then I'm forced to get rid of apps I use on a daily basis. This lack of phone storage seems to be the cause of many of the Xperia play's problems.
I might give that app2sd a try, but doesn't that require a rooted phone? I also saw a post here somewhere about moving apps to the sd without root. Might give that a try...
Why the heck did they only put 512MB on the phone? Memory is relatively cheap right now. I don't get it...
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I downloaded Apps2SD and it works great for Apps that allow you to move them to the SD card. I think root is required to move apps that aren't suppose to allow you to move them
Apps2SD also alerts/prompts you when an app is movable. So say you install a new app it will tell you right away.
The only thing im disappointed about with the phone, apart from the internal storage as
already mentioned, is the lack of development on xda.
I didnt think this would be an issue lol but I previously owned a hd2 and found this great
Site when I first bought that. So I have only used the hd2 forum until now and was used to
alot more development. So maybe I was a little naive.
Im not moaning as I know the devs are great ppl who cook us some great free gear just gutted
and hoping the play hasnt been forgotten about already as I think this phone could be really
spectacular with a decent custom rom
letmedanz said:
the phone is super sluggish, keeps hanging, apps freeze ending with the phone having no solution but a restart.
i have reinstalled the firmware at least 3 times using repair option AND fresh installs.. also had one update from sony...
the problems just don't go
i was really hopeful of a better phone matching the specs on paper with regular updates...
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Just picked up my xplay today and your experience is exactly opposite mine. It's just as spiffy and snappy as the Incredible it's replacing.
Since the xperia arc, neo and play are quite similar it is a waste of dev power to develop for those three at the same time. That would cost precious devving time so to speak. Development is now mainly done on the xperia arc, the flagship of SE's current xperia line and if it's working on the arc it'll be ported to the play and the neo. One could see this with rooting or stuff like flashtool.
In the arc section they're busy working on recovrey modes and costum roms are nearly fully functional I believe (not sure) that should be easely ported to the play. If you want to keep track of the developers development you could try to follow this board: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=965
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lol.. so the problem could be that Sony gives off crappy memory cards with their devices?
Am currently using the standard box 8gb MMC...
To add, there isn't much of on the card or phone anyways.
Stock apps such as messaging and dialer freeze up...
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My SD card came from my Service provider and not Sony.
I agree some of the previous comments, a lot of the lag seems to appear after the internal memory has been used up. Disappointing but there are things you can do as have been previously mentioned.
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Very interesting. Most people seem to be having not too many worries with the phone.
But i have now had the phone for over 3 months i guess, so the issues may show.
hope not for you guys..!
and hope mine gets better